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Main Street Capital Corporation (MAIN)

Q3 2024 Earnings Call· Fri, Nov 8, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Main Street Capital Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Zach Vaughan. Thank you, you may begin.

Zach Vaughan

Analyst

Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for Main Street Capital Corporation's third quarter 2024 earnings conference call. Joining me today with prepared comments are Dwayne Hyzak, Chief Executive Officer, David Magdal, President and Chief Investment Officer, and Ryan Nelson, Chief Financial Officer. Also participating in the Q&A portion of the call is Nick Meserve, Managing Director and Head of Main Street's Private Credit Investment Group. Main Street issued a press release yesterday afternoon that details the company's third quarter financial and operating results. This document is available on the investor relations section of the company's website at mainstcapital.com. A replay of today's call will be available beginning an hour after the completion of the call and will remain available until November 15th. Information on how to access the replay was included in yesterday's release. We also advise you that this conference call is being broadcast live through the internet and can be accessed on the company's homepage. Please note that information reported on this call speaks only as of today, November 8th, 2024, and therefore, your advised that time-sensitive information may no longer be accurate at the time of any replay listening or transcript reading. Today's call will contain forward-looking statements. Many of these forward-looking statements can be identified by the use of words such as anticipates, believes, expects, intends, will, should, may, or similar expressions. These statements are based on management's estimates, assumptions, and projections as of the date of this call, and there are no guarantees of future performance. Actual results may differ materially from the results expressed or implied in these statements as a result of risks, uncertainties, and other factors, including but not limited to the factors set forth in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which…

Dwayne Hyzak

Analyst

Thanks, Zach. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. We appreciate your participation on this morning's call, and we hope that everyone's doing well. On today's call, I will provide my usual update regarding our performance in the quarter. We're also providing updates on our asset management activities, our recent dividend declarations, our expectations for dividends going forward, our recent investment activities in current investment pipeline, and several other noteworthy updates. Following my comments, Nick and Ryan will provide additional comments regarding our investment strategy, investment portfolio, financial results, capital structure and leverage, and our expectations for the fourth quarter, after which we'll be happy to take your questions. We're pleased with our performance in the third quarter, which resulted in an annualized return on equity of 18.8%, DNII per share that continued to exceed the dividends paid to our shareholders, and a new record for NAV per share for the ninth consecutive quarter. We believe that these continued strong results demonstrate the sustainable strength of our overall platform, the benefits of our differentiated and diversified investment strategies, the unique contributions of our asset management business, and the continued underlying strength and quality of our portfolio companies. We are also pleased that we further enhanced our strong capital structure and liquidity position during the quarter, which Ryan will discuss in more detail. And we continue to maintain very strong liquidity and a conservative leverage profile, which we believe is important in the current economic environment. We maintain attractive investment pipelines in both our lower middle market and private loan investment strategies, and we remain excited about the opportunities in our lower middle market and private loan investment portfolios and in our asset management business, each of which has us well positioned for the future and provide us a…

David Magdal

Analyst

Thanks, Dwayne and good morning everyone. As Dwayne highlighted in his remarks, we believe our strong third quarter financial results continue to demonstrate the strength of Main Street's platform, our differentiated investment approach, and our unique operating model. We are pleased to report that the overall operating performance for most of our portfolio companies continued to be positive, which contributed to our attractive third quarter financial results. We did, however, experience continued softness in certain portfolio companies with consumer discretionary focused products or services which we have been monitoring for several quarters and we are actively working to maximize our recoveries on these specific investments. As we've discussed in the past, the largest portion of our investment portfolio and the primary driver of our long-term success has been and continues to be our focus on the underserved lower middle market and specifically our strategy of investing in both the debt and the equity of lower middle market companies. In our view on the relative attractiveness of investing in the lower middle market remains unchanged and we expect this will continue to be our primary area of focus in the future. Each quarter, we try to highlight key aspects of our investment strategy and differentiated approach. For today's call, we thought it would be useful to spend some time discussing the support we provide to our lower middle market portfolio companies. In addition to our ongoing investment management activities and the managerial assistance we offer to our lower middle market portfolio companies, we specifically want to highlight an annual event we host for the leaders of our lower middle market portfolio companies, our 8th Annual Main Street President's Meeting. For those of you who are not familiar with our President's Meeting, it's an annual event Main Street hosts for our lower…

Ryan Nelson

Analyst

Thank you, David. To echo Dwayne's and David's comments, we are pleased with our operating results for the third quarter. Our total investment income for the third quarter was $136.8 million, increasing by $13.6 million, or 11% over the third quarter of 2023, and by $4.7 million, or 3.5% for the second quarter of 2024. Our results for the third quarter of 2024 included strong levels of investment income, which, as Dwayne and David touched on, demonstrates the continued strength of our differentiated investment and asset management strategies. Interest income increased by $11.2 million from a year ago and by $10.5 million when compared to the second quarter. The increase over the prior year was driven primarily by the impact of increased net investment activity over the last year, partially offset by the impact of an increase in investments on non-accrual status and a decrease in interest rates on our floating rate net investments, primarily resulting from decreases in benchmark index rates. The increase over the prior quarter was driven primarily by the impact of increased net investment activity. Dividend income increased by $2 million, or 9.7% when compared to a year ago, including a $300,000 increase in unusual or non-recurring dividends and decreased by $3.4 million, or 12.9% from the second quarter after the impact of a $1.9 million decrease in unusual or non-recurring dividends. The continued underlying strength of the majority of our lower middle market portfolio companies, together with the unique benefits of our asset management business, drove the strong level of dividend income in the third quarter. Fee income increased by $0.4 million from a year ago and decreased by $2.4 million from the second quarter. The decrease in fee income over the prior quarter was primarily driven by lower closing fees on new and follow-on…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. [Operator Instructions] The first question is from Bryce Rowe from B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead.

Bryce Rowe

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning, all. Hey, I wanted to, Dwyane, maybe start on your commentary around the pipeline. Last quarter you had well above average comment. And it sounds like some of the lower middle market activity might have slipped here to the fourth quarter. Just wanted to make sure I'm kind of reading into that the right way. And then any commentary around the move from well above to above for lower middle market. And then within the private loan book going from well above to average.

Dwayne Hyzak

Analyst

Sure, Bryce, thanks. Thanks for the question. I'll get some initial comments. I'll let David add on any additional comments he has. I think when you look at the lower middle market pipeline guidance, I'd say there's a couple of things. One is what we touched on in the script. We had a couple of investments that we were expecting or hoping would close in the third quarter. They just slipped into the first week or two of October. So that was about $115 million of new investment activity. So that was part of the movement or underperformance relative to our expectations on the lower middle market investment activity in the third quarter. But we've also had a number of transactions or investments that we were actively actually getting on in due diligence and legal documentation that just for one reason or another just slipped away. Some of it was due diligence issues. And at least one case, it was the owner operator of the company rethinking what he and they were doing and deciding to hold off on doing a transaction. So we had at least three transactions off the top of my head that because of one of those two reasons, it did not end up closing in the third quarter and it won't close in the fourth quarter. Despite that, we continue to feel good about the pipeline. We do have a number of transactions in the lower middle market focus area or strategy that we expect to close between now and year end. And if we achieve that, we think we'll be in good shape both for Q4 and heading into 2025. On the private loan side, I'd say the team there has been very active. If you look back, not just to the third quarter, but also the second quarter, we had a significant amount of investment activities. And I would say that the pipeline for that group as they executed those activities has just cooled off a little bit. So it's not a negative pipeline, but they have returned back into that average classification after two quarters of significant activity and a lot of efforts on the investment side. David, anything you would add on the lower middle market side?

David Magdal

Analyst

No, I think it's covered.

Bryce Rowe

Analyst

Good deal. And Dwayne you noted a pretty active third quarter for private loan. Can you talk a little bit about kind of what you're seeing from a pricing in terms perspective, especially in light of all the talk of spreads compressing and then obviously lower base rates that we're starting to see flow through portfolios. So any commentary around competitive levels within the private loan market around both pricing and terms?

Dwayne Hyzak

Analyst

Sure, Bryce. Again, I'll give a couple of initial comments that I'll let Nick, our Managing Director that leads our private credit team, I'll let him add on anything that he has. I would say we obviously can't control the base rate in the market component. So that is what it is. We just like other BDCs and other private credit funds, our results will continue to be impacted by that. So we don't really focus on that just because we can't control if you're going to be in the space. That's just part of your investment management that you're going to have to deal with. On the spread side, I'd say we have seen some pressure. The way I would categorize it is probably 25 basis points of pressure since quarter end, maybe 75 to 100 basis points since a year ago. So we're seeing some pressure. We continue to have the view based upon what we hear from other BDCs that are focused on the larger companies, kind of the upper middle market that we're seeing less pressure than they are. But we are seeing some pressure there. And we wish that pressure wasn't there, but we still find the spread levels and the quality of the investment opportunities to be good for our strategy and investments that we think we can still do really well on in our private credit, private loan strategy. So it hasn't deterred us from investing, but we have seen some pressure there. The other thing I'd say we've seen is we have seen some regional, local commercial banks that have surprised us and have really stepped up on some of our portfolio companies where they come in and beat us by a wide margin in terms of spread. Again, that's not something we can control. We do expect that to be more sporadic as opposed to a permanent part of the marketplace. But we have seen that more on some repayment activity as opposed to new investment activity. But that's the way I would kind of respond to your question. But I'm happy to let Nick add any additional color.

Nick Meserve

Analyst

I think you nailed it there. We've really seen a consistent tightening of 75 to 100 basis points over the year. I think we'll see a little bit more pricing 25 basis points since quarter end. I think we'll maybe grind a little bit tighter as the year ends. And we're seeing a few new competitors step in that might need to spend for the year because of their budget and they're willing to kind of come down on pricing to win some deals.

Bryce Rowe

Analyst

That's helpful.

Dwayne Hyzak

Analyst

Bryce, just one other comment. I'd say the significant activity we had in Q2 and Q3, we feel really good about it given some of that spread compression.

Bryce Rowe

Analyst

Yeah, understood. Maybe last one for me. You guys have certainly made the comment maybe leaning into the available debt capital to fund. And just kind of curious, in the third quarter, we saw net balance sheet leverage go down. Was that just your conservative nature not knowing what might come here in the fourth quarter? Just kind of curious why you didn't lean on that debt capital a little bit more in the third quarter? Relative to the comments about future quarters here, you'll likely use debt capital to fund new investments.

Dwayne Hyzak

Analyst

Yeah, Bryce, I'd say some of it was just our continued conservative nature. But I'd say the biggest factor was we had a really, really large form of market pipeline. Some of that pipeline did not come to fruition. So we were probably more active under the ATM program in the quarter than we would have otherwise been if we had known what the actual lower middle market activity was going to be. So nothing significant other than the expectations for that well above average lower middle market investment pipeline not coming to fruition in the third quarter.

Bryce Rowe

Analyst

Okay. All right. I'll jump back in queue. Thanks, guys.

Dwayne Hyzak

Analyst

Thanks, Bryce.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Robert Dodd from Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Robert Dodd

Analyst

Hi, guys. Thank you. Just an immediate follow-on to that one from Bryce. First on, so the ATM usage obviously in Q3, you just explained why. Those deals have closed, or some of them, at least, are closing in Q4. So should we expect lower ATM usage in Q4 because you essentially pre-funded, in a sense, the deals with the ATM in Q3 that have been closed in Q4? Or can you give us any color on what the trends are going to be near term there without giving too much away?

Dwayne Hyzak

Analyst

Yeah, Robert. I think that is the right conclusion. In the absence of the low middle market pipeline, you're really building significantly from here. You should expect us to see, or to have less activity under the ATM in Q4.

Robert Dodd

Analyst

Got it. Thank you. On the dividend income, there was a lot of clarity that the dividend income of the quarter was below the -- Non-recurring dividend income was lower than normal average. I mean, it's not recurring, but it's typically happening. But it didn't happen as much this quarter. So was there any theme there? Was it holding on to maybe a little bit of incremental capital ahead of election or something like that? Do you think that might catch up in Q4? Or was it non-recurring that's just not going to happen? It's not been deferred. But any thoughts there?

Dwayne Hyzak

Analyst

Sure, Robert. So I'll give a couple of comments. And then again, David can add on anything else he has. But I'd say the low middle market portfolio continues to perform really well across the board. And specifically for the companies that are the key contributors to dividend income, they continue to perform really, really well. So we're not seeing anything that is a concern. But as you've always heard us say, we have high levels of predictability and visibility to interest income. We don't have as much visibility or predictability on the dividend income. And it's not just the performance of the companies, but it's what they decide to do with their capital. I think we've mentioned that for a couple of quarters, we have several companies that are pursuing acquisition growth strategies. But if they're executing those strategies, they're likely going to be less focused on paying dividends. I think you see just some impact of that. But the other is just the quarterly, monthly variability from one quarter to the next that drives that. So nothing that's concerning on our side is just the normal variability. I will point out, you probably saw this in the results or if you didn't, you'll see it when you get to the 10-Q. But one part of the dividend income movement quarter to quarter was on the asset management business. So you saw less incentive fees come through and that has a direct impact on dividend income. So just make sure you caught that when you look at the quarter over quarter fluctuation. Yeah…

Robert Dodd

Analyst

Thank you. I did catch that. Sorry, go ahead. David?

David Magdal

Analyst

All I was going to say is to echo Dwayne's comments. There's nothing thematically in the portfolio that's being called back. We just have various contributors that are not only doing, pursuing acquisitions strategies, but also reinvesting in their own platform by way of assets and new product innovation and such. So it just ebbs and flows quarter by quarter. There's nothing thematic there.

Robert Dodd

Analyst

Got it, thank you. And then one more, if I got it. You mentioned a realized gain, I think in the private loan portfolio, I think a $26 million realized gain on that side. Was that after quarter end or was that in Q3? I haven't gone through it yet, but can you give me, what was the source of that? Was it after quarter end? And if it was, was that asset also held? And is it going to affect incentive fee income from the asset manager if it was in Q4? I'm just trying to figure out when that actually happens.

David Magdal

Analyst

Yeah, it was in Q3, Robert. It will not impact the incentive fees.

Robert Dodd

Analyst

Got it, thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question is from Mark Hughes from Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

Mark Hughes

Analyst

Yeah, thank you. Good morning.

Dwayne Hyzak

Analyst

Morning, Mark.

Mark Hughes

Analyst

Just out of curiosity, was the lower middle market activity influenced by the election?

Dwayne Hyzak

Analyst

No, I don't think we would say it was influenced by the election at all. Like I said in the earlier response to Bryce, it was in two situations, when you get into due diligence, you're expecting certain things. If those things aren't there, we're going to be very consistent and we may want to still move forward, but it's different terms. And when you have that happen, the other side has to agree to that. I'd say in at least two of those situations, it was diligence factors that resulted in a transaction not closing. And then the other one was the owner-operator changing his mind.

Mark Hughes

Analyst

Yeah. And on non-accruals, just a slight uptick. I think you'd mentioned the consumer discretionary. You're continuing to work through that. Any sense on timing or kind of what end markets that might be in where you could potentially see improvement?

Dwayne Hyzak

Analyst

Yeah, that new non-accrual was also in a business focused on the consumer. So it's kind of a consistent or continued trend there. I do think that we expect to see significant progress on that specific name over the next couple of months. Whether it happens in Q4 or early Q1 remains to be seen, but we do expect to see progress there. But in each of these situations that we have, it's a consumer-focused business. I think we expect it to be a longer-term road to recovery as opposed to something that's going to happen quickly.

Mark Hughes

Analyst

Understood. Then the EBITDA growth within the lower middle market portfolio. I think you kind of touched on some of the contours of this, but anything that you're seeing about growth last quarter versus, say, the first six months?

Dwayne Hyzak

Analyst

Yeah, we didn't kind of put out any numbers, Mark. What I would tell you from more of a qualitative standpoint is the portfolio as a whole continues to perform well. I do think if you looked at it and kind of put it into three buckets, companies over performing on one end, companies underperforming on the other, and then a bunch of companies kind of in the middle. The companies on the right end of that, the over performing side, are really, really continuing to perform exceptionally well. The groups in the middle, I'd say it's probably flat to maybe just slightly down a little bit. Nothing concerning, but definitely a portfolio where the really good performers are just performing exceptionally well.

Mark Hughes

Analyst

Yeah. And then you talked about the prepayment activity or repayment activity that maybe some banks, regional banks, getting involved selectively. I'll ask the question again. How far through that process would you say you are? Is there much more to go in your portfolio? Or is that stabilized?

David Magdal

Analyst

You know, I'd say, Mark, the regional banks or local banks we come across, it's usually more idiosyncratic where they've banked a company in the past, maybe it was before Private Key Sponsor bought them, they didn't take part in the buyout, and then they come back a year or two years into it after it's performed well and step in and refinance us at a much cheaper rate. So, in recent examples, we refinanced a business, I think in the first quarter of ‘24 at S plus 650, and then we got refinanced two weeks ago at S plus 225. Obviously, we're not going to match that. But it was a local bank that had refinanced that company for a decade plus before we got involved.

Mark Hughes

Analyst

Yeah, yeah. So no particular trend there, just idiosyncratic, as you say?

David Magdal

Analyst

Exactly. And still I'd say it's much, much more localized banks than a regional bank.

Mark Hughes

Analyst

Thank you.

Dwayne Hyzak

Analyst

Thanks, Mark.

Operator

Operator

This concludes the question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the floor back over to management for closing comments.

Dwayne Hyzak

Analyst

We just want to say thank you again, everyone, for joining us this morning. We appreciate your long-term interest and support of Main Street. We'll look forward to talking to you again in late February after our year-end earnings release.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.