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Manhattan Associates, Inc. (MANH)

Q2 2009 Earnings Call· Tue, Jul 21, 2009

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, my name is Abigail and I will be your conference facilitator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Manhattan Associates second quarter 2009 earnings conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent background noise. After the speaker’s remarks, there will be a question-and-answer period. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, this call is being recorded today, July 21st, 2009. I would now like to introduce your hosts for today, Mr. Dennis Story, Chief Financial Officer and Mr. Pete Sinisgalli, Chief Executive Officer of Manhattan Associates. Gentlemen, you may begin.

Dennis Story

Management

Thank you, Abigail and good afternoon everyone. Welcome to Manhattan Associates 2009 second quarter earnings call. Before we launch into the results discussion, I will review our cautionary language and then turn the call over to Pete. During this call, including the question-and-answer session, we may make forward-looking statements regarding future events or future financial performance of Manhattan Associates. You are cautioned that these forward-looking statements involve risk and uncertainties, are not guarantees of future performance, and that actual results may differ materially from those in our forward-looking statements. I refer you to the reports Manhattan Associates files with the SEC for important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in our projections, particularly our annual report on Form 10-K for fiscal 2008 and the risk factor discussion in that report. We are under no obligation to update these statements. In addition, our comments will cover certain non-GAAP financial measures. These measures are not in accordance with or an alternative for GAAP and may be different from non-GAAP measures used by other companies. We believe that this presentation of certain non-GAAP measures facilitates investors’ understanding of our historical operating trends with useful insight into our profitability exclusive of unusual adjustments. Our Form 8-K filed today with the SEC and available from our website www.manh.com contains important disclosure about our use of non-GAAP measures. In addition, our earnings release filed with the Form 8-K reconciles our non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures. Now, I will turn the call over to Pete.

Pete Sinisgalli

Management

Thanks and welcome to our second quarter 2009 earnings call. I will start the call by taking you through an overview of the quarter in the first half. Dennis will then get into the details of our financial results. I will follow with additional details about our business to provide our outlooks for the balance of 2009, and then we will be happy to answer your questions. As we announced in early July, the global economic recession continued to hurt our license revenue results in the second quarter. In fact, we closed the first half of 2009 having assigned no million dollar deal compared with seven deals of this size closed in the first half of 2008. That said, sales activity was substantially higher in Q2 than in the first quarter. Customers and prospects are meaningfully engaged with us. In fact, going into the last couple of weeks of June, I was quite optimistic about our potential financial results for the second quarter. But as the quarter wound down and proved to be very difficult to get ink on contracts for larger deals. Our win/loss rate continues to be strong. The companies continued to be reluctant to make capital commitments in this environment. As Dennis will cover in his remarks, we continue to execute well on essentially everything within our control. Unfortunately, finalizing customers and prospects commitments for capital expenditures in this environment is somewhat outside our control. We believe we have been selected by several companies that will make million dollar plus license fee commitments to Manhattan but the question remains when. Given our substantial active pipelines for the third quarter and fourth quarter and our continued strong performance on everything within our control, we continue to be optimistic about our third quarter and full year financial results. I will speak more about our outlook for the balance of 2009 following Dennis’ comments. Dennis?

Dennis Story

Management

Thanks Pete. I will cover adjusted financial results first and then provide a summary of our GAAP earnings. As Pete mentioned, persistent macroeconomic uncertainty continued to put pressure on revenues as we saw, final contracts for license deals again delayed. However, while Q2 revenue performance approximated Q1 2009, earnings and operating margins nearly doubled over Q1 benefiting from aggressive expense management to protect margins and earnings in this tough environment. We delivered $0.14 of adjusted EPS. Doubling EPS performance sequentially over our first quarter 2009, adjusted EPS of $0.07. Versus the prior year, adjusted EPS was down from $0.42 in Q2 2008 as the first half of 2008 preceded the global economic collapse. This is a very tough comparison. We have posted adjusted net income of $3.2 million in the quarter, which is down 69% from Q2 2008 but up 87% sequentially over Q1 2009. There is no question that our business is not immune to the economic downturn as freezing capital investment across industries. However, we encourage investors to consider key takeaways from our Q2 performance that clearly indicate the strength of our business in a tumultuous economy. First, we have a proven track record of managing expenses and taking prudent actions necessary to protect earnings. Q2 2009 total expenses decreased 29% over Q2 2008 and we nearly doubled operating margins sequentially from 4.7% last quarter to 8.8% this quarter. Two, our services margins continue to be world class as we aligned capacity with demand. We delivered services margins of 57.2% this quarter compared to 54.7% in Q1 2009 and 52.3% in Q2 2008. Three, our operating cash flow is very strong. We generated $10.8 million in Q2 bringing our year-to-date total to $23.5 million. Four, our balance sheet continues to support long term strategic flexibility and stability with…

Pete Sinisgalli

Management

Thanks Dennis. The fact that we did not close any million dollar license agreements in the first half of 2009 meaningfully impacted our results. Deals of this size generally reflect a strategic upgrade in our buyers’ supply chain operations. Unfortunately, in the current economic, prospects in our target market were not prepared to make such commitment in the first half of 2009. While I am disappointed in our license revenue results for the second quarter, I am pleased with the efforts of our selling teams around the world. I believe our teams gave 110% effort in the second quarter and while that effort did not lead to the results we had had hoped for in Q2. I am confident it will eventually result in closed deals for Manhattan. It is simply difficult to predict when. As I mentioned earlier, we were actively engaged in several million dollar deals right up to the end of the quarter and remain actively engaged in each of those cases. I am confident we will eventually get those signatures, hopefully in Q3. Our professional services organizations around the world continue to perform well. In addition to posting solid financial results, the teams continue to drive improvements and customer satisfaction. In the second quarter of 2009, our global services team helped customers go live with our solutions in more than 85 sites. Our ability to help customers create and execute sophisticated supply change strategies continue to strengthen this quarter as we issued several releases of our products in June. These include warehouse management for open systems, inventory optimization, extended enterprise management, supply change intelligence and billing management. Our R&D teams around the world did an exceptional job of meeting our objectives for these releases, delivering quality software on time and on budget. Headcount at the end…

Operator

Operator

Your first question comes from the line of Michael Huang - Thinkequity.

Michael Huang - Thinkequity

Analyst

First of all, in terms of the activity levels that you saw on Q2 which were better than in Q1, which product areas seem to be the, which product areas seem to be poised to rebound first and is there any difference in activity level across geographies and verticals?

Pete Sinisgalli

Management

Sure, we are happy to take that Michael. As Dennis mentioned in his comments regarding geographies, we had about the same performance in each of those three geographies in the second quarter overall with each down about 35% overall revenue. I do not think there was a material difference in geographies in terms of the product categories, particularly the larger deals coming down the stretch at the end of Q2. We had a number of multi product deals that in those conversations leveraging our supply chain execution solutions as well as some of our inventory optimization and planning opportunity, so a mix of items. But as you know, the majority of sales of our solutions tend to be in the supply chain execution phase, largely our warehouse management solutions, extended into five management solutions, supply chain intelligence solutions and transportations solutions and we see that activity by going forward from here.

Michael Huang - Thinkequity

Analyst

Okay. I am not sure if you had the chance to take a look at JDA's result reported last night but they also announced that the demand environment is improving versus Q1 and the private planning optimization is an area of strength. So, are you seeing anything that would suggest that your planning and optimization area could be an area that could rebound first in the second half of the year?

Pete Sinisgalli

Management

JDA's results were actually quite encouraging to us. Obviously, they had a very strong quarter with strong license revenue which I think is a good indication of future market's appetite for enterprise solutions that will help them improve infrastructure and operating effectiveness. We compete with JDA in just a couple of application spaces. From what I can discern from their results, the majority of their success in Q2 was in planning and optimization at the store level of operation. So, in those areas where we do not compete, they had from what I could tell the strongest success. But that, as I said, is encouraging to us. We have a number of common customers purchasing different solutions from one another but a number of common customers and as markets get more comfortable releasing capital, I think that is a good sign for all of us.

Michael Huang - Thinkequity

Analyst

Okay. But with respect to just your kind of the replenishment allocation areas that you guys have been focusing some more resources around, are you seeing any encouraging signs that you might be seeing some better adoption ahead on those areas?

Pete Sinisgalli

Management

Yes, I would think in line with my comments earlier about the overall pipeline activity, I would think going forward, we will see some solid rebounds in the inventory optimization area and some of our newer solutions, as well as continued progress in our core execution solution.

Michael Huang - Thinkequity

Analyst

Okay, and just from a headcount standpoint as you look for Q3, will you expect that we would be stable with Q2 levels or do you think that we might be cutting more head?

Pete Sinisgalli

Management

No, I would expect for the balance of Q3 that you will see our headcounts stable.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Andrew [Shaw] - Raymond James & Associates. Andrew [Shaw] - Raymond James & Associates: Can you just give an update on the scope migration? When do you think will the WMs be getting courted over?

Pete Sinisgalli

Management

Yes, as I mentioned in my earlier comments, I am quite pleased with the progress our R&D teams are making on delivering all of our solutions. I mentioned a couple of quarters ago that we now have about 22 of our solutions on the platform as of yearend and have a couple more to move also during 2009. Most important of those is warehouse management on the platform. We do not have any publicly announced date for the release of WM on the platform, but we are making very good progress and continue to be quite optimistic about the ability of that product to be an important addition to our solution offering. Andrew [Shaw] - Raymond James & Associates: And then you guys gave guidance but internally, do you guys have some targets that you are still trying to hit or just given the uncertain environment with things where we stand today that it is just kind of hard to predict even internally.

Pete Sinisgalli

Management

Yes, it is very difficult to predict. We are a little bit gun shy given, at least I am, given the prognostications I gave for Q1 and Q2 and our actual results. But internally, we are not discouraged looking forward. We think we have a very good pipeline for Q3 and Q4 and I am personally not uncomfortable with our previous sort of expectations of quarterly license revenue in the $10 million to $15 million range, so $20 million to $30 million over the back half of the year. But as we demonstrated unfortunately in Q1 and Q2 forecasting the actual close rates towards in the pipeline is pretty challenging. But we are optimistic that there is a lot of good activity in the pipeline and that will close at some point hopefully soon.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Mark Schappel - Benchmark Company.

Mark Schappel - Benchmark Company

Analyst

On the maintenance side of our business, this is the second consecutive quarter that the maintenance business has slowed pretty considerably here. I am just wondering if you are just going to…, maybe just a little bit more details on some of the pressures that you are seeing with respect to that business.

Pete Sinisgalli

Management

Good. Dennis and I will be happy to share that question. Dennis is our chairman of maintenance, not quite chairman of maintenance but he is quite active in helping our teams around the world and managed through that. Now, one of the things that is hampering us a little bit in the first couple of quarters is the absence of strong license revenue growth and the benefit of first year maintenance. In addition to that like every one else, we are having customers interested in discussing with us their maintenance payments that I believe Dennis and the team had done an excellent job of being sensitive to our customers' needs at the same time, protecting Manhattan's value and relationships with those customers. But let me let Dennis take the balance of the question.

Dennis Story

Management

Yes, I think Pete nailed a couple of items here. First off, new license revenue is a big contributor to maintenance growth year-over-year mark. Not unlike any software company, all customers, not all customers, but a lot of customers are asking for discounts. We did the same to our vendors as well on our side so, just a sign of the economic times. The other thing to consider is that we take a very conservative revenue recognition position on maintenance renewals. We do not recognize any revenue until we get to cash, collect the cash. So, that can create some lumpiness and certainly, we have had some customers as they are feeling the stress of the economy, trying to push their payments out.

Mark Schappel - Benchmark Company

Analyst

Okay.

Pete Sinisgalli

Management

I am sorry, and I believe as Dennis mentioned, absent effects of maintenance revenue is up about 2% year over year.

Dennis Story

Management

And up sequentially.

Mark Schappel - Benchmark Company

Analyst

Okay thanks and Pete, based on your results and based on some of your competitors' supply chain vendor results out there, do you believe your product line up is broad enough or sufficient enough to go forward?

Pete Sinisgalli

Management

Yes, we certainly do. One of the things that as I have been mentioning earlier, I think some of the other companies in the space have very good products, good product lines and they compete in different markets than we do, compete for solving the needs, different areas of businesses than we do. In the core supply chain sourcing to consumption for companies with complex supply chain operations, I believe we have got a very extensive suite of solutions that can help companies meet that need. Now, in the current economic environment apparent to us and in certain cases, customers are not uncomfortable deferring some important to what we would think are important initiatives in their businesses. In previous recessions, companies actually stepped up and did more activity within the areas in which we offer solutions that we are seeing in this recession. I think the difference in this recession, this recession seems to be more driven in previous recession by the absence of capital and they are concerned about making capital commitment and while our solutions have a very strong, demonstrable return on investment, I think in a couple of cases, we have seen clients just feel uncomfortable making a capital commitment even though the ROI was quite powerful. But we believe in a not too distant future that we are starting to see some early signs of stabilization that will change in our broad suite of solutions, particularly leveraging our common business process platform will be very compelling. As Dennis mentioned, up until the last couple of quarters, we have been consistently showing double digit revenue growth and we are optimistic that when the things normalize, we will get back to that kind of a trend.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Yun Kim - Broadpoint AmTech.

Yun Kim - Broadpoint AmTech

Analyst

First, I know you do not like to answer this question but I just have to ask, did any of the large deals closed as the quarter ended?

Pete Sinisgalli

Management

Yes, Yun we do not comment on that but just to say at present that we are uncomfortable with so we will not comment on that other than to say we continue to be optimistic about closing business in the third quarter.

Yun Kim - Broadpoint AmTech

Analyst

Okay, great, fair enough. Was the license that you missed simply due to a lack of million dollar deal in the quarter or did you see also weakness within your SMB business segment?

Pete Sinisgalli

Management

Yes, there were certainly some weakness in the small and medium sized business segment as well but the biggest change from previous quarter is the absence of the larger deals. As I mentioned in my prepared remarks, normally, we have $3 million or $4 million plus deals in the quarter and they average more than a million dollars per deal of course and seven in the first half of 2008, if you recalibrate for that quarter and our first half was very different. But it is what it is and we will stay focused and try to improve it but we did see some softness in the small and medium sized business as the rest of the global economy did. The major difference for us though is the absence of larger deals.

Yun Kim - Broadpoint AmTech

Analyst

Okay, has the SMB business improved from Q1 level or did it continue to soften up.

Pete Sinisgalli

Management

Yes, it improved sequentially from Q1 to Q2. We were pleased by that, just did not improved enough frankly and we would expect further improvement to get back to levels of activity we have seen in the past. But Q1 was a particularly tough quarter for us activity wise. Activity in Q2, larger deals as well as small and medium sized business market was noticeably better than Q1. It did not close as much as we would have liked but the activity level is good and encourages us about the prospects in the near term.

Yun Kim - Broadpoint AmTech

Analyst

Okay and then just curious on the overall health of your partner network. I know you have some large ones and small ones. How have those smaller ones bear during the last couple of quarters? Are smaller ones nailed in that, specific to that? Has there been any kind of advice taking a liability issue and then among the large partners, are they completely supportive of your solutions as well?

Pete Sinisgalli

Management

Yes, that is a great question. It is interesting, for the large partners, we are probably getting greater attention that we have ever gotten from them. There is, I am sure you know, we are having a tough time as well in the market place and are paying more attention or more interested in how we can work together. I think that is great in the near term and hopefully, we will continue to be very beneficial from Manhattan as the economy improves. Several of our smaller partners are struggling in this economy. I do think that you are all trying to be creative in how they continue to improve their value propositions for the market working with us and working among themselves. I am a little concerned in spots about the long-term health of some smaller partners. I think for the most part though they will be able to toss it out, weather the economy and continue to be strong, positive contributor to our long-term success. But there were a couple that are quite challenged at the moment.

Yun Kim - Broadpoint AmTech

Analyst

Okay, is there any plans for you guys to offer some assistance if those smaller ones are kind of still with you guys or not necessarily?

Pete Sinisgalli

Management

Well, to tell you Yun, all of our partners are important to us and planning their roles but important roles for us. I do not think there is any one partner though that is material to our success. So, it is unlikely other than we continue to work with them and share possible opportunities, increase the value of our joint propositions other than the things we have done for a while. I do not see much of a need for Manhattan to step and do more than that.

Yun Kim - Broadpoint AmTech

Analyst

Okay and last question, it is a hypothetical one. It looks like you are comfortable with your current headcount at the current level of business, but when the business improve, do you feel that you can add headcount to support that growth without hurting the margins or would there be a quarter or two where we can expect some modest margin hits or they ramp in testing and consulting. That is for me, thanks.

Pete Sinisgalli

Management

Yes, great question, Yun. For the most part, we depend on the ramp and the level of activity. I love that problem quite frankly but at the moment, we think we are amply staffed to handle the possible ramp ups within our field of scenarios. As you may recall from the last call, we did a few things to try to protect some additional heads in our organization, made some other cuts in other areas of the Company, unpaid vacation days and executive compensation cuts and things along those lines to make sure we retain a little bandwidth so when the market rebounded we will be able to absorb that rebound with skilled experienced resources and we continue to believe we are adequately staffed for that. That will be a pleasant challenge to have these returns and to ramp up more quickly.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Brad Reback - Oppenheimer & Co. Brad Reback - Oppenheimer & Co.: So, Pete, just one sort of general question. At what point in your mind in the future will this go from an economic issue as this continues to an execution issue?

Pete Sinisgalli

Management

Well, that is a very fair question Brad given the results we posted in the first two quarters. I would guess if the rest of the market, bigger players in the space are having strong results and we are not and we are confident in our portfolio of products, then we have to ask ourselves a different question but I am quite confident the team we have is a very strong team and we will continue to drive great results as they have done in the past. That is a fair question. Brad Reback - Oppenheimer & Co.: But that being said, I mean, everyone has talked about June being better than the March quarter and your license business is down 20% sequentially, and all that small numbers. I am trying to marry that up with your comments about your optimism, the sales activity, but the performance.

Pete Sinisgalli

Management

Yes, and you are spot on Brad unless the deal closes, the activity is not worth much. So, having said that, we acknowledge that we did not closed several multimillion dollar deals we had hoped to close in Q2 as they close to be probably at somewhat different conversation. But at the end of the day, we are accountable for delivering result and our results in the second quarter were clearly disappointing. Having said that, we also are focused on driving this business for a long-run success and not quarter to quarter, obviously. The sequential build of quarters determines the long run success but we are very focused on making sure we are doing the right thing so that over the long run, our shareholders are richly rewarded for their investments in Manhattan and we believe that will be the case.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to Mr. Sinisgalli for any closing remarks.

Pete Sinisgalli

Management

We would like to thank everyone for joining us this afternoon and we look forward to catching up with you again in 90 days. Thanks everyone. Good night.

Operator

Operator

This concludes your conference call for today. You may now disconnect your lines.