Charles Christmas
Management
Yes, Bryce like I mentioned before, that was going to be a tough one to budget for, especially on a quarter-to-quarter basis, just given the nature of what we're dealing with. I would say like, I said, from the third quarters, but specifically about half the income was related to prepayment fees. That's definitely a higher percentage than what was $6.1 million represents. I'd probably say maybe a third of the $6.1 million so far this year, is associated with the collection or the embedding of prepayment fees enter the swap. And the question I've been through that means. And I think Ray mentioned this about half of our portfolio, of commercial loan portfolios fixed rate. And while we don't look, flip all of those into a floating rate with a swap attached, there's definitely some opportunities there. This management team is and I know the word concerned, or how much I hate that your rates are very, very low. And we definitely see a lot of inflationary pressures. And obviously, we're in an unprecedented environment that is causing some of those inflationary pressures. But we are very cognizant of what could happen to our income statement, if interest, medium and longer term interest rates were to rise appreciably. And we're definitely, through this program and other things, finally, make sure that we position our balance sheet that would be -- is able to perform well in that environment. Yes, clearly, there's a little bit of pain on the front end, especially on the refinance activities when we take the higher rate, fixed rates and put them in a floating rate. But we think that insurance policy, if you will, is definitely the right thing to do. As both Bob and Ray mentioned already, the swap program isn't for everybody. So we're not -- we don't really even have the opportunity to take, solve fixed rate commercial loans and put them into floating rates, we don't really want to do that. But we definitely look at larger bank balance loans, those with more sophisticated management teams. Clearly, we want to make sure that our borrowers understand the workings around a swap, how it works, and then some of the handcuffs that put that, that could potentially put on them as they continue to run their businesses. So there's plenty of opportunity there. That's we're talking so far about existing loans. Certainly now we're looking at new loans to the bank, new borrowings from existing customers. They -- many of them, are getting really, meeting those size and sophistication and goalposts and that they want a fix rate product, we're definitely talking with them about the swap program. So there's lots of opportunity out there both in the existing portfolio, as well as the growth, but you're trying to determine how much that's going to equal on a quarterly or even an annual basis. It's just, it's a hard one to project just given the nature of the product.