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MDU Resources Group, Inc. (MDU)

Q3 2018 Earnings Call· Thu, Nov 1, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Hello, my name is Regina, and I will be your conference facilitator. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the MDU Resources Group 2018 Third Quarter Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer period. This call will be available for replay beginning at 5:00 PM, Eastern Time today through 11:59 PM Eastern Time on November 15. The conference ID number for the replay is 2136759. Again, the conference ID number for the replay is 2136759. The number to dial for the replay is 1-855-859-2056 or 404-537-3406. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jason Vollmer, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer of MDU Resources Group. Thank you. Mr. Vollmer, you may begin your conference.

Jason L. Vollmer - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Management

Thank you, Regina, and welcome to our third quarter 2018 earnings release conference call. This conference call is being broadcast live to the public over the Internet and slides will accompany our remarks. If you'd like to view the slides, please go to our website at www.mdu.com and follow the link to the conference call. Earnings release is also available on our website. During the course of this presentation, we will make certain forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Although the company believes that its expectations and beliefs are based on reasonable assumptions, actual results may differ materially. For a discussion of factors that may cause actual results to differ, please refer to Item 1A – Risk Factors in our most recent Form 10-K. For our call today, I will discuss key financial highlights and then turn the presentation over to Dave Goodin, President and CEO of MDU Resources for his formal remarks. After Dave's remarks, we'll open the line for questions. In addition to Dave and myself, members of our management team who will be available to answer your questions today are; Dave Barney, President and CEO of Knife River Corporation; Jeff Thiede, President and CEO of MDU Construction Services Group; Nicole Kivisto, President and CEO of Cascade Natural Gas, Great Plains Natural Gas, Intermountain Gas and Montana-Dakota Utilities; Trevor Hastings, President and CEO of WBI Energy; and Stephanie Barth, Vice President, Chief Accounting Officer and Controller of MDU Resources. Yesterday, we announced our third quarter earnings from continuing operations of $107.4 million or $0.55 per share compared to $89.6 million or $0.46 per share in 2017. On a consolidated basis earnings were $107.3 million or $0.55 per share compared to $87.4 million or $0.45 per share in 2017. Our…

David L. Goodin - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Management

Well, thank you, Jason and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for your interest in MDU Resources and for taking the time to join us today to discuss our third quarter results. We released our third quarter earnings after the stock market closed yesterday. All of our businesses continue to build up the momentum we saw in the first half of the year. I am pleased with our solid execution during the third quarter and the progress we have made on our growth strategy, both organically and through strategic acquisitions. Now I'd like to go through our two-platform business model starting with the construction businesses. Our construction materials business had record third quarter earnings, seeing increased sales volumes on most of our product lines. Backlog numbers are strong as of the end of the quarter at this business at $590 million, up from $520 million in 2017. In October, we announced our fourth construction materials acquisition of the year with the purchase of Sweetman Construction Company, a leading provider of aggregates, asphalt and ready-mix in the Sioux Falls market of South Dakota. We welcome the employees of Sweetman Construction to the MDU family and continue to evaluate additional acquisition opportunities at this business. Construction services is having a strong year with year-to-date revenues as of September 30, only 2% behind last year's record and record backlog at $896 million at the end of the third quarter, which is up 33% over the third quarter of 2017. This business continues to perform high volumes of inside specialty contracting work, specifically in the high-tech and hospitality sectors, as well as outside power, communications and gas specialty work. This business is engaged in power line repair work in areas recently impacted by hurricanes. This business is also exploring acquisition and organic growth opportunities. Combined,…

Operator

Operator

Your first question comes from the line of Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc. Please go ahead.

Paul T. Ridzon - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst

Good afternoon.

David L. Goodin - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Management

Hi, Paul. Good afternoon.

Paul T. Ridzon - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst

How the world treating you, Dave?

David L. Goodin - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Management

It's been kind of slow lately. How about your direction?

Paul T. Ridzon - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst

(00:12:21) it's going to be a long winter. But anyway, you've been active in the M&A market. Do you think that that market is pretty opportunity-rich for potential further deals?

David L. Goodin - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Great question, Paul. I'm going to split that answer between both Dave Barney and Jeff Thiede which is really probably more we're targeting some of the M&A activity at and particularly with Dave having closed four deals earlier this year. I'll start with Dave.

David C. Barney - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Analyst

Hi, Paul. Yeah, the M&A market looks really strong. There's a lot of private companies out there. We have a long list of companies we're looking at. We have prioritized them. So we're very optimistic. We'll be announcing some more deals in the near future and I think it looks good for us going forward in the M&A market.

Jeffrey S. Thiede - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Analyst

Hey, Paul, this is Jeff. And we're seeing a lot of opportunities for companies to be brought into Construction Services Group. We've added Bill Connors to our efforts in M&A and we believe that we'll be able to be announcing some additions to our team in the future. We'll keep you posted. We like the opportunities of these companies and we're looking for fits geographically as well as adding to the services that we currently provide.

Paul T. Ridzon - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst

And the estimate change for project cost at construction services looks like it masks some strength in that segment. But what's driving that? Is that kind of the labor tightness we're hearing about?

Jeffrey S. Thiede - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Analyst

Paul, that's one of the contributors. We had collection of jobs – just several jobs that had impacts obviously significant due to the results. We see this as an anomaly. We rarely see this happen in the history of CSG and we don't expect this going forward in the future.

Paul T. Ridzon - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. Can you give more flavor as to what that dollar amount is composed of?

David L. Goodin - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Management

Paul you just broke out a little bit on that, if you could repeat the question.

Paul T. Ridzon - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst

Sure. Could you just give a little flavor as to what composes those dollars?

Jason L. Vollmer - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Paul, this is Jason. I'll try to give a little more clarity on that. So we've got various estimates that are involved as we go through many of these projects that we work on here and as we receive new information that helps us true-up some of those estimates then we will make changes on that. As Jeff mentioned, this was a little bit more significant this quarter as we adjusted a couple of contracts here. I would say this is a handful rather than the majority of contracts. But we certainly do see this on a regular basis as far as adjustment so we adjust more (00:15:04) significant in the quarter (00:15:06) to highlight it. As far as what makes that up, it's kind of – there's a lot of moving pieces there's so really can't get a lot of detail on that. But something that as Jeff mentioned seems like it's more of an anomaly for us this quarter than anything else. But you're spot on with your analysis of looking at the quarter, absent that I mean the quarter that Jeff's business has had and the year-to-date performance for that business has just been exceptional.

Paul T. Ridzon - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much.

David L. Goodin - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Thank you, Paul.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Zane Karimi with D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Zane Adam Karimi - D.A. Davidson Companies

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Thanks for the clarity so far, guys.

David L. Goodin - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

Zane Adam Karimi - D.A. Davidson Companies

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

First question is kind of more for Knife River, specifically, how much of the earnings growth, and the recent backlog improvement (00:15:49) were covered -- the energy for the market kind of versus compared to the growth in your (00:15:52) other market?

David L. Goodin - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Management

So your question, Zane, was what's the contribution relative to more the energy-producing states, and how's the recovery there relative to other markets that we're in?

Zane Adam Karimi - D.A. Davidson Companies

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Yeah.

David L. Goodin - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Okay. Dave Barney?

David C. Barney - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Hi, Zane. I can tell you most of our backlog recovery is not coming from the energy-producing states except for Texas, but we are seeing that uptake() in the Alaska, the North Dakota, Northern Minnesota, Wyoming market. So we're seeing some positive signs of more work coming out. But right now the majority of the uptake() is coming from the non-energy states besides Texas.

Zane Adam Karimi - D.A. Davidson Companies

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Got you. Thank you for that. And then also do you see yourselves in the industry increasing the prices sufficiently to offset some of these cost headwinds that you're experiencing?

David L. Goodin - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Management

Again, Zane, just – we must have a little light connection. Could you repeat your question? I think it was related to margins relative to Knife River? Or just the cost increases?

Zane Adam Karimi - D.A. Davidson Companies

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Yeah, apologies. Is this a better volume?

David L. Goodin - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah, it's a little bit better. Yeah.

David C. Barney - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

So if you're looking at – do you think our margins are going to continue to hold or improve, is that what you're looking at Zane?

Zane Adam Karimi - D.A. Davidson Companies

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Yeah. I'll repeat the question real quick. Do you see yourselves in the industry increasing prices sufficiently to offset cost headwinds... (00:17:18)

Zane Adam Karimi - D.A. Davidson Companies

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

... Knife River?

David C. Barney - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

I think we'll continue to see what we've seen in the last three or four years, pricing to continue to go out, margins continue to go up. I don't see anything that's going to be softening that in the near future.

Zane Adam Karimi - D.A. Davidson Companies

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Great. Thank you very much. I'll jump back in queue.

David L. Goodin - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Management

Okay. Thank you, Zane.

Operator

Operator

Your next question will come from the line of Andrew Levi with ExodusPoint. Please go ahead.

Andrew Stuart Levi - ExodusPoint Capital Management LP

Analyst

Hi. Good afternoon. How are you guys doing?

David L. Goodin - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Management

Good afternoon, Andrew. We are doing great. How are you doing?

Andrew Stuart Levi - ExodusPoint Capital Management LP

Analyst

Doing well. The stock is doing well today, finally. There's a lot of fear out there (00:18:10). I just have two questions. First one just relating to kind of the hurricane that we saw down south and whether your line business will benefit from that?

David L. Goodin - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Andrew, the short answer is we did some response to those incidences. So, I'll turn it over to Jeff Thiede to give you a little more details though.

Jeffrey S. Thiede - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Analyst

Thanks for the question, Andrew. Our industry responded and our company responded to safely restore power to those impacted by the hurricanes. We are grateful for all the first responders including our line industry. We've sent cruise to the northeast, to the Carolinas, and most recently to Georgia for this year. So we benefited from the opportunity to serve. But our company is not reliant solely on work of storm and storm work for the success of our business. We also have an equipment company that participated in supporting line companies in storm work. Our equipment company() also is able to offer tools in addition to the wire stringing equipment, which we think is the best in the industry.

Andrew Stuart Levi - ExodusPoint Capital Management LP

Analyst

Okay. And there's no way to kind of quantify, I guess, in the fourth (00:19:23) benefit of that maybe?

Jeffrey S. Thiede - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Analyst

It made a contribution – a strong contribution and it was a small part of our success. But it wasn't an overwhelming part of our success.

Andrew Stuart Levi - ExodusPoint Capital Management LP

Analyst

Okay. And then just on the aggregate business as you guys kind of watched the last three (00:19:42) months whether it's your stock action or whether (00:19:47) or some others stocks got badly hit and then there was a lot of fear about margins and pricing and like that and (00:19:56) somewhat. But as you kind of look into 2019 and obviously you haven't given guidance for 2019, but can you kind of just address that and whether the fear (00:20:05) or kind of overblown. I mean some of their issues also related around hurricane where their aggregates were. But if you can kind of address that because it's nice to see the stock recovered but stock went from trading at a premium, again I focus more on the utility group where you're one of the cheapest stocks in the sector obviously call it (00:20:08) part of the business other company aggregates and ...

David L. Goodin - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Andrew, this is Dave. I'll weigh in on that. We also watch with some of the other peer companies that have released in the market here. I can best comment about our company in that we had a record third quarter at our materials group. I mean very strong quarter in addition I talked earlier in my comments about moving our backlog up from $520 million to now $590 million. You heard Dave Barney just a few minutes ago to an earlier question talk about margins and where we're expecting those and in our guidance we did talk about comparable to actually slightly increasing margins in our materials business as well. So those are all factors that we like. Again, commenting about our business we understand what some of the others in the industry have put out there. We think our position I can comment the most about and I feel very good about where we're at in particular we talked two years ago about getting into the M&A, activity and resuming that. Really we did actually that two years ago November of 2016. Well this year we're hitting our stride if you will. The material sector with four acquisitions we've been here very recently. So we feel good where we're at and like how 2019 is starting to shape up.

Andrew Stuart Levi - ExodusPoint Capital Management LP

Analyst

Great. Thank you very much and the stock super cheap, so.

David L. Goodin - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Andrew.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Zane Karimi with D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Zane Adam Karimi - D.A. Davidson Companies

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Actually guys you answered it so thank you very much. And I look forward to hear from you guys again.

David L. Goodin - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Management

Okay. Thank you very much, Zane.

Operator

Operator

This marks the last call for questions. This call will be available for replay beginning at 5:00 P.M. Eastern Time today through 11:59 P.M. Eastern Time on November 15. The conference ID number for the replay is 2136759. Again, the conference ID number for the replay is 2136759. At this time there are no further questions. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks.

David L. Goodin - MDU Resources Group, Inc.

Management

Thank you very much. As I noted earlier, we had another strong quarter and we expect a strong execution throughout the remainder of 2018. At MDU Resources, we are committed to Building a Strong America along with being optimistic about our long-term opportunities. We also appreciate your participation on our call today. And again thank you for your continued interest in MDU Resources. And with that I'll turn it back over to the operator.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's MDU Resources Group conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.