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Methode Electronics, Inc. (MEI)

Q4 2011 Earnings Call· Thu, Jun 30, 2011

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Operator

Operator

[Audio Gap] to the Methode Electronics Fiscal 2011 Fourth Quarter and Full Year Earnings Presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. This conference call does contain certain forward-looking statements, which reflects management's expectations regarding future events and operating performances, and speak only as of the date hereof. These forward-looking statements are subject to the Safe Harbor protection provided under the securities laws. Methode undertakes no duty to update any forward-looking statements to conform the statements to actual results or changes in Methode's expectations on a quarterly basis or otherwise. The forward-looking statements in this conference call involve a number of risks and uncertainties. The factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations are detailed in Methode's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, such as our annual and quarterly report. Such factors may include, without limitations: dependence on a small number of large customers, including 2 large Automotive customers; dependence on the automotive, appliance, computer and communications industries; further downturns in the automotive industry or the bankruptcy of certain Automotive customers; ability to compete effectively; customary risks related to conducting global operations; dependence on the availability and price of raw materials; dependence on our supply chain, ability to keep pace with rapid technological changes; ability to avoid design or manufacturing defects; ability to protect our intellectual property; ability to withstand price pressure; location of a significant amount of cash outside of the U.S.; currency fluctuations; ability to successfully benefit from acquisitions and divestitures; ability to withstand business interruptions; unfavorable tax laws; ability to implement and profit from newly acquired technology; and the future trading price of our stock. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Don Duda, President and Chief Executive Officer for Methode Electronics. Mr. Duda, you may begin.

Donald Duda

Analyst

Thank you, Diego, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today for our Fiscal 2011 Fourth Quarter and Full Year Financial Results Conference Call. I'm joined today by Doug Koman, Chief Financial Officer; and Ron Tsoumas, Controller. Both Doug and I have comments today, and afterwards, we will be pleased to take your questions. Our strong sales performance in the fourth quarter and fiscal year 2011 demonstrates the continuing success of our strategy to offer customers system solutions with brand-differentiating technology. With over 23% sales growth for the quarter, we continue the momentum we established last year, ending with over 13% sales growth for the year. Adjusting the fiscal 2011 results for the loss of sales to Delphi and planned lower sales of legacy automotive products, which together totaled $32.3 million in fiscal 2010, consolidated sales in fiscal 2011 increased 24%. A key point is that in just one short year, we have rebuilt Methode's revenue from a 7-year low of $378 million in fiscal 2010 despite the reduction of legacy automotive products and the loss of the Delphi business, an accomplishment all Methode employees should be very proud of. As we reported in this morning's release, in March, we sold Methode's 75% ownership in Optokon, a fiber-optic interconnect company in the Czech Republic to the minority shareholder for $10 million resulting in a gain net of taxes of $0.6 million or $0.02 per share. Additionally, we had a number of expenses and benefits in the fourth quarter and year, which Doug will expand upon in his discussion. For the fourth quarter, consolidated gross margins were 21.7% compared to 23.3% a year ago. And for the year consolidated gross margins were 20.8% compared to 21.2% in fiscal 2010. In both periods of 2011, vendor production and delivery issues,…

Douglas Koman

Analyst

Thank you, Don. Good morning, everyone. Before I cover some of the more significant expense and benefit items that affected cost of products sold and selling and administrative in the quarter and the full year, let me walk you through the non-GAAP adjustments that we included in our earnings release. For the fourth quarter, we reported net income attributable to Methode of $10.1 million or $0.26 per share. This compares to a net income attributable to Methode of $16.1 million or $0.44 per share in last year's quarter. In the fourth quarter of fiscal 2011, we recorded a gain on the sale of discontinued operations of $600,000 or $0.02 per share. That was the sale of our 75% interest in Optokon that Don just talked about a little while ago. Because of the GAAP intra-period tax allocation rules, continuing operations benefited by the taxes allocated to the Optokon sale. Therefore if the Optokon sale is excluded from the quarterly results, the $3.5 million tax benefit to continuing operations must also be excluded. This results in $6 million or $0.16 per share of net income to the quarter, when the Optokon sale is excluded. In last year's fourth quarter results, if we exclude the $300,000 of restructuring charges, the net income attributable to Methode would have been $16.4 million or $0.45 per share. Therefore, net income from continuing operations was $6 million this quarter compared to $16.4 million in last year's quarter or $0.16 earnings per share this quarter versus $0.45 per share last year. You should note that in both this and last year's fourth quarters, we recorded income tax benefits. Excluding the sale of Optokon, the benefit in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2010 was $8 million or $0.22 per share greater than the current quarter. For the fiscal…

Donald Duda

Analyst

Thank you very much, Doug. Diego, we are ready to take questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from David Leiker with Robert W. Baird. Joseph Vruwink - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated: It's Joe Vruwink on for David. A question on engineering as we go forward. If I look at just SG&A the past few quarters and I strip out what the Delphi legal fees were, it looks like expenses have been between, call it, 15.5%, 16% of revenue. I'm just wondering, going forward, is this a good base that is sustainable given the engineers that you've brought on? Or should we expect higher levels going forward?

Douglas Koman

Analyst

First of all, the engineering expense that Don was talking about, Joe, are going to be in cost of products sold. So the additional expense in selling and administrative is primarily coming from the increased stock amortization. Joseph Vruwink - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated: Okay, and there's no product launch costs that are going to hit SG&A?

Douglas Koman

Analyst

No, there shouldn't be. It should all be up in cost of goods sold. Joseph Vruwink - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated: Okay, great. And then as we look at the pace of that ramp, have you brought on basically the human assets that you need where, going forward, we shouldn't expect that much deviation from what we are seeing now? Or what are the magnitude of costs we should expect in upcoming quarters during this fiscal year?

Donald Duda

Analyst

We probably have seen the bulk of that. I wouldn't rule out that we wouldn't add a few more heads as the launch progresses, particularly as we get closer to launch. But I think the estimate we gave, we gave a range for the year, in the $2.5 million to $2.8 million, I believe. Joseph Vruwink - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated: Okay, great, that's helpful. If I switch over to a piece of new business you announced this quarter with the lithium-ion battery, that seems like an exciting product category that we haven't really heard you guys talk about that much in the past. It seems like this technology is also transferable to other battery applications. Are you in discussions with other OEMs about doing a similar product where you're able to leverage the R&D investments you've made to win this award on potential future awards?

Donald Duda

Analyst

Yes, we've been talking to a number of them. This is the first, I think, major award; we've gotten a few prototypes that we've done. What's driving that is Methode's in somewhat of a unique position in that we've been in power products for quite some time, and we are a seasoned automotive supplier. So as the automakers and the Tier 1s look for qualified suppliers, we're a qualified supplier in both instances, and that gives us a little bit of a leg up in pursuing that business. And we're starting to see, as these vehicles come online, we're starting to see that market heat up. Joseph Vruwink - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated: And this is exclusively developed -- I should say internally developed IT or is this anything that may have come from Eetrex?

Douglas Koman

Analyst

Well, in the award we just announced, that is a homegrown Methode technology. And it's like a typical automotive program, where it's -- the actual design is done between Methode and the customer. The charger is Eetrex's, but this particular award is Methode technology. Joseph Vruwink - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated: Great, and then just one final question. There's been a little bit of negative publicity in regards to the MyFord Touch product itself and the basic interface, I guess. Have you -- has there been any changes on Ford's part of maybe wishing to alter some of the aspects of the console system itself? And how is what GM is designing changed by some of these early kind of press reviews and consumer reviews of the product?

Donald Duda

Analyst

Okay, on the Ford product, no, we've not been asked to make any changes to the product. From our standpoint, the product is still selling above our expectations. And I can't speak for Ford, but I think they've been happy with the sales as well. And that article now is, what, several months old. And then the GM launch, there's very little touch cells on that, so -- and I can't go too much detail because we're -- GM hasn't announced platforms and so on. But there's very little Touch on the GM program right now. I suppose that could change. Yes. And that criticism seems to be more focused to the software, the sync, not to our Touch.

Douglas Koman

Analyst

Yes, good point. I mean we provide the center console, not the interface -- or the software rather.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jeremy Hellman with Divine Capital Markets.

Jeremy Hellman - Singular Research

Analyst · Divine Capital Markets.

I wanted to take the last question and kind of -- as kind of a framing basis. And if I think at a really high level, is there a way to kind of quantify the amount of product that you could supply to an all-electric vehicle versus an internal combustion-engine vehicle versus a hybrid and/or something that's using stop/start? Or maybe if you can't quantify, can you rank those from 1 to 4, which ones would offer the most penetration potential, if you want to call it that, for Methode products?

Douglas Koman

Analyst · Divine Capital Markets.

Okay. The pure electric is going to have the highest content, if you really talk dollar content, because an onboard charger is several thousand dollars. I mean in low volume, it's $15,000, $20,000, but -- so that would probably be ranked #1. You would also -- you could also put our busbar technology, I just talked about, on the battery pack. Eetrex is developing battery management systems, so there's some more technology there. We certainly could do the -- and we have a product coming out on -- the charging station. So that would be my highest. The hybrid, you might get into busbars again, probably or maybe a battery disconnect or something that Eetrex would do. And then you were talking about -- I'm assuming your question's talking about not switches and so on, you're talking about power components. Is that correct, Jeremy?

Jeremy Hellman - Singular Research

Analyst · Divine Capital Markets.

Well, I'm really talking full boat, everything you could potentially sell, whether or not you're in there selling something or not, but the "addressable market" per vehicle.

Douglas Koman

Analyst · Divine Capital Markets.

Oh, boy.

Jeremy Hellman - Singular Research

Analyst · Divine Capital Markets.

I mean what I'm trying to get to is, and obviously we're in the early stages of the EV evolution. But if we look out 5, 10 years and if EV adoption rates do progress nicely and EVs become a significant component of the vehicle fleet, at the end of the day, does that -- what I'm thinking and it sounds like you're confirming this is that your dollar sales per vehicle should certainly have an upward bias.

Donald Duda

Analyst · Divine Capital Markets.

Oh, yes, I would agree with that. But even on a conventional vehicle, we've got our central console products, you've got our torque sensor product, steering angle sensor, lead frames that are in the transmission. So that content will also go up.

Jeremy Hellman - Singular Research

Analyst · Divine Capital Markets.

Right, okay. And when you think about the design cycle for autos and considering that this is a multiyear process, when you look at potential business that you might be pursuing for the '14, '15, '16-type years, are you seeing any kind of gravitation to a heavier EV component or proportion?

Donald Duda

Analyst · Divine Capital Markets.

No, I don't think -- it's going to be a small percentage even as you get into '15, '16, '17. I mean as we said before, we're done booking for '14. We're booking for '15 and beyond now. And I don't know what the estimates, the market estimates are for EVs, but they're still a small portion as we get into the latter years here.

Jeremy Hellman - Singular Research

Analyst · Divine Capital Markets.

Okay. And then with stop/start, that seems to be more the immediate sweet spot because it doesn't really have a big impact at all on the actual consumer behavior, so to speak. It's under the hood and out of sight. With stop/start, how much of an opportunity is that for you guys, even if you have vehicles where you have kind of a dual-battery system?

Douglas Koman

Analyst · Divine Capital Markets.

Again, just in the power components, at this point, we don't have anything booked in start/stop.

Jeremy Hellman - Singular Research

Analyst · Divine Capital Markets.

Okay. I'll go for something a little more germane now. Back to the non-GAAP reconciliation, Doug, okay, I just wanted to run through that again, the notes I -- wanted to make sure I have my notes correct. From your headline number of $0.26 to adjust down to the $0.16 non-GAAP number, I'm missing something. Is that a negative $0.02 from the sale of Optokon and then a negative $0.16 to the tax effect? So that would get me down $0.26 minus $0.02 minus $0.16 would get me down to $0.08. So what am I missing there?

Douglas Koman

Analyst · Divine Capital Markets.

No, there's $0.11 because what you've got is the tax credit of $3.5 million that's in the continuing operations, so that large income tax credit that is there. Then that's offset by the gain.

Jeremy Hellman - Singular Research

Analyst · Divine Capital Markets.

Okay. I'll work through the numbers and if it isn't clear, I'll follow up with you offline then.

Douglas Koman

Analyst · Divine Capital Markets.

Okay, that should work out.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Greg Macosko with Lord Abbett.

Gregory Macosko - Lord Abbott

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

Can we go through just a little bit on the gross margin to understand the adjustment relative to the growth in the Auto and the Power area? Auto was up 38% year-over-year. And you mentioned the vendor supply issue of $2.3 million. That was for the entire year or is there an adjustment there just for the quarter?

Douglas Koman

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

No, there was -- the $2.3 million was for the full year and then there was $300,000 in the quarter. And going forward, we're saying that could have a $1.5 million to $2.5 million effect full year fiscal '12.

Gregory Macosko - Lord Abbott

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

That is -- is that relative to the GM launch? Well, that's relative to the GM launch because you want to get yourself internally, supplying the product internally.

Donald Duda

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

Right, that is -- the current issue is with the MyFord Touch panels that we're providing. We -- at the time that we booked that Ford business, in late '08, I think, Automotive was in free fall. So we didn't vertically integrate at the time. When we were pursuing the GM business, before we even booked it, we knew that we would probably vertically integrate that. There's pretty good savings in doing it. All we're doing now is really accelerating that because of the supply issues.

Gregory Macosko - Lord Abbott

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

I see.

Donald Duda

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

But that's a 9- to 12-month process, so that's why we're saying we'll enter fiscal '13 with that integrated.

Gregory Macosko - Lord Abbott

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

Okay. And what other adjustments are there? There was some new launch costs. You said higher manufacturing costs, and I assume those are ongoing or are they -- is the launch making, kind of, a ramp-up of the launch kind of raising the cost that as you get more comfortable with the volumes on the launch will be -- the margins should be better?

Douglas Koman

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

I think what we said was higher designing, development and engineering costs. I don't think we said manufacturing. No, the only manufacturing issues we've been discussing is the vendor supply that's causing us some issues.

Gregory Macosko - Lord Abbott

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

Okay, but those new development, new product development, that's really an SG&A line, isn't it?

Douglas Koman

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

No, we're showing those in cost of goods sold. That's -- we're developing a product that is booked, so those costs to get that business launched are in cost of goods sold. And, Greg, that's in the -- again looking at the full year, those costs are about $1.2 million for the year.

Gregory Macosko - Lord Abbott

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

All right. Well, you see what I'm asking, just trying to understand with such strong revenue on the top line and yes, adjusting for the vendor supply issue and the product development costs, are we looking at something around 16%? Does that make sense on an ongoing basis? Or do you expect that gross margin to improve in the Auto area?

Donald Duda

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

While Doug’s looking at that, the other point we made is that full year gross margins were negatively affected by the loss of the Delphi business.

Gregory Macosko - Lord Abbott

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

Yes. But in the quarter last year, did you have Delphi business last year in the fourth quarter?

Donald Duda

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

I don't believe so. No, we did not.

Douglas Koman

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

No, we did not

Gregory Macosko - Lord Abbott

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

Right, that's what I'm trying to get at is kind of the current comparison between the 2. You said Delphi, x Delphi for the whole year, I guess you were up 32%. So you had good solid growth of non-Delphi business. And are we kind of at a -- is this kind of the auto run rate now? Or what are we looking at?

Donald Duda

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

I think if I'm looking at my numbers right, we're at about 15 1/2% for the fourth quarter this year.

Douglas Koman

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

And I think we've said that we expect our gross margins in Automotive to improve. We know as we launch some of these programs, we'll get some very positive effect from that.

Gregory Macosko - Lord Abbott

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

And does that imply that -- continued strong sales growth?

Donald Duda

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

Right. And those are programs that really don't kick off until the latter part of '12 and '13.

Douglas Koman

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

And in '13, yes. I think we have -- we don't have them in front of us, but I think we've put out our ranges for Automotive gross margins.

Gregory Macosko - Lord Abbott

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

What is that again? Remind me, please.

Douglas Koman

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

I don't want to misquote, so I want to make sure we have the number. We're looking that up, and if we don't have it here, we'll get back to you on that.

Donald Duda

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

Yes. But my recollection was for Auto, I think we said high teens to low 20s for Automotive. We’ll take the risk of misquoting.

Gregory Macosko - Lord Abbott

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

Okay, very good. All right. And then the same on the Power. The Power is up 35%, you're just getting those new orders into production, that's up 35%. There was, what, about 200 basis points from that onboard integrated power unit in the electric truck being launched or whatever. But the gross margin comparison was quite a bit down. Is that a gross margin we should be looking at, at these sales levels at present?

Donald Duda

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

The Power gross margin was down because of the Eetrex.

Gregory Macosko - Lord Abbott

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

Was that the -- in other words, it was 22% versus 33%. It was a pretty big drop, and yet sales were up 35%, so I just want to understand the...

Douglas Koman

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

Right. We've got $600,000, $700,000 in launch costs for the charger unit. And that should be a, to some degree, a onetime event. It will continue into our fiscal '12 here. But once the product is developed, it's developed, and that won't be reoccurring. So what we've got is the cost to develop and launch the product and no sales right now. So as the product sells, the margins will certainly improve and our development costs will wind down.

Gregory Macosko - Lord Abbott

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

Okay. So I mean -- and if we look at the same basis on Power, what's your range of gross margin expectation on Power?

Douglas Koman

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

Let me get that to you, because we just don't have that investor presentation.

Gregory Macosko - Lord Abbott

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

All right. Basically, I was just looking at the change over that. And the $600,000 to $700,000 doesn't account for that 11% differential, right? It's more than that, I would -- that's bigger than the $600,000 to $700,000 doesn't account for the 1,100 basis points, right?

Donald Duda

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

Okay. We just brought up the, what we call our fiscal 2014 target. For Power, the gross margins are in the high 20s. Auto, we're saying low to mid-20s. Before you ask about Interconnect, low to mid-30s.

Gregory Macosko - Lord Abbott

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

Okay. Well, we're right there. We're pretty good as you've said.

Douglas Koman

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

Again, but that's our fiscal 2014 target.

Gregory Macosko - Lord Abbott

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

So we're going to -- those gross margins are going to stay where they are basically? I mean that's what -- you're already there, you're at 34%. You're pretty close to where you're...

Douglas Koman

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

Yes, and you have to -- it's affected quite a bit by mix. I mean, that’s…

Gregory Macosko - Lord Abbott

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

Okay, so the mix was favorable right now?

Douglas Koman

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

The mix on Interconnect was very favorable for us, so that gets to the high end of our range.

Gregory Macosko - Lord Abbott

Analyst · Lord Abbett.

Okay, all right, very good. I just want to keep up on kind of where we're headed and what our expectations are, particularly on the gross margin side, and that gives me some explanation. And the new wins do sound good.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from David Leiker with Robert W. Baird. Joseph Vruwink - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated: A quick follow-up from me. If I look at what you've done the past 4 quarters now, and I put in a normalized tax rate, you're pretty much ranging between $0.10 to $0.15 a share per quarter. Given that the stock seems pretty much stuck in a, call it, $0.10 to $0.14 range, I'm wondering what gets us above this, call it, $0.15 a share going forward? Or is that a level that you would expect to be maintained during this upcoming fiscal quarter, given that the significant new business doesn't launch till fiscal 2013, and you're going to have some costs, it sounds like, in fiscal 2012 associated with that business?

Donald Duda

Analyst

Joe, it sounds like you're trying to get us to give you guidance. I don't know that we want to comment. Joseph Vruwink - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated: I wouldn't think of doing that.

Douglas Koman

Analyst

I think we've laid out in our release and prepared comments that we have some costs that we are incurring to launch these new programs. And you know the automotive cycle, so we're really saying that these programs start to launch end of '12 and '13, and then from that, you probably can model where we're headed. I think to go any further, I'm getting into the guidance area and I just -- I'd like to stay away from that.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, there are no further questions at this time. I'll turn the conference back over to Mr. Duda to conclude. Thank you.

Donald Duda

Analyst

Diego, thank you very much, and we'll thank everyone for listening today and wish them a very safe and pleasant holiday. Good day.