Juan Carlos Bueno
Management
Absolutely, Brandon. Yeah, obviously, there's -- we need to make two distinctions. The first one, what's happening on hardwood versus what's happening on softwood. Hardwood, it's undeniable that there's been a correction -- an important correction on hardwood, probably about $100. And this is on the back of Cerrado from Suzano coming up and that was 2.6 million tonnes. And also the Liangxiang product in China, project in China, that was 1.7 million tonnes. So that -- all that pulp coming to market. Obviously, that puts pressure. It makes sense that in a market that is oversupplied, you would start seeing some corrections very quickly, and that is what has happened. However, the situation in softwood is different. If anything, softwood is still under a very tightness situation when it comes to supply. So very, very different from where we see hardwood. Even when we look at the demand to capacity ratio, the way it's evolving, we're saying that we're seeing that softwood is going to 93% next year and hardwood is going to go down to about 86%. So again, the pressure on hardwood will remain while softwood will be in a very different situation. That would mean that the spread between the two will expand and obviously, there's going to be some pressure on substitution and whatnot. But I think the fundamentals for softwood being so tight on supply are going to be still very relevant. Even if you think about -- I think it was recently this week, there was another announcement from another mill in Finland that they're already thinking about laying people off and then stopping for, I think it's three months what I understood it was -- and this is a big mill. If they stop for three months, it's almost taking away another 200,000 tonnes of pulp from the market in any given year, if it's only three months. So again, it just exacerbates the fact that supply on softwood continues to be tight and will be even tighter as we progress. And that would -- what that will translate into is that even if hardwood drops by 100 like it did. The drop in softwood would be mitigated pretty much and very limited. So far, the softwood prices, they have come down a bit, I would say, probably less than $50. And that's more or less where we think they will most likely remain. Our belief is that as the year progresses and we get past the summer season, which obviously comes with low demand, both in Europe and in China. Demand will pick up and prices, and we can recover a little bit of the lost ground in this Q3. Again, we don't expect that ground to be very significant in Q3. Hope that helps, Brandon.