Howard Widra
Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities
Okay. Well first, let me answer it for sort of the BDC. From the BDCs perspective, it doesn't -- it's just another product offering, which is available for the BDC, if it decides to opt into those financings surrounding the exemptive order it has a right to. From the perspective of where it sits, it's effectively an adjacent product. If you're thinking -- it's basically large market origination. So take deals in the billion dollar range, which historically had not really been done in the private market. And so, effectively what it does is, it allows us to offer at scale to underwrite deals privately, and take them down in sort of capital market solutions for providers. So, if you looked at the universe of borrowers that mostly would -- that would be availing themselves of that they would be ones that would have been BSL borrowers previously, not mid-cap borrowers. And so the original for those companies, they tend to be sort of large corporates or sponsors that are more diversified than middle market sponsors. So like more like Apollo than they would be the core sponsors we cover at mid-cap in the basic way. So, in that way, it's sort of an adjacent product offering, it's basically how do we make sure that we are able to offer sort of scaled solutions in sort of lower BSL market, upper middle market, so stop there. Separately, though, however, the coverage, the origination of that product will be is an Apollo effort across the board. So it includes the origination resources that we have at mid-cap and at Apollo is sort of in our direct origination team, as well as sort of the originating we do and the relationships we have in the BSL market with issuers that are there now because one of the biggest holders of those market. So the sponsor origination of those transactions will be led by our team, at mid- cap in Apollo combined, but when they reach the size that they would have gone to the DSL market, they'll instead use this solution as opposed to sort of being funded primarily on mid-caps balance sheet, if that makes sense. From the BDCs perspective, and the people on this call, who aren't sort of, as plugged into Apollo, generally, the BDC has a right to sort of take its portion of whatever transactions it likes. It is less likely to do those transactions, both because of yield and structure. And then especially when it's only picking off the highest yielding stories. But that are asset secured, if you will or first lien, but that's not definitive they could do something. Does that make sense?