Thank you for standing by and welcome to the MKS Instruments’ Fourth Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, today’s program is being recorded. And now, I’d like to introduce your host for today’s program, Paretosh Misra, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Good morning, everyone. I am Paretosh Misra, Vice President of Investor Relations. And I’m joined this morning by John Lee, President and Chief Executive Officer and Ram Mayampurath, Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, and Treasurer. Yesterday, after market closed, we released our financial results for the fourth quarter and full year 2024, which are posted to our investor website at investor.mks.com. As a reminder, various remarks about future expectations, plans and prospects for MKS comprise forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially as a result of various important factors, including those discussed in yesterday’s press release and in our most recent Annual Report on Form 10-K. These statements represent the company’s expectations only as of today and should not be relied upon as representing the company’s estimates or views as of any date subsequent to today and the company disclaims any obligation to update these statements. During the call, we will be discussing various non-GAAP financial measures. Unless otherwise noted, all income statement related financial measures will be non-GAAP other than revenue. Please refer to our press release and the presentation materials posted to the Investor Relations sections of our website for information regarding our non-GAAP financial results and a reconciliation to our GAAP measures. Our investor website also provides a detailed breakout of revenues by end market and division. Now, I’ll turn the call over to John.

Thanks, Paretosh and good morning, everyone. Before I discuss our quarterly results, I’d like to take a moment to review 2024 which was a year of impressive execution in a challenging environment. Despite roughly flat year-over-year revenue of $3.6 billion, we achieved a 190 basis point expansion in gross margin. We managed our operating expenses effectively, increased earnings per share by 49%, and improved free cash flow by $178 million. Additionally, we took several actions to proactively manage our leverage and significantly reduce our interest expense. This included an upsized $1.4 billion convertible note offering, voluntary prepayments of $426 million on our term loan facility, and an opportunistic refinancing and repricing of our term loans. We took these steps while also maintaining investments in R&D and strategic initiatives, including delivering technology innovations in areas such as world-class optics, lasers and laser systems and new chemistry solutions for advanced packaging in the AI era. We also upgraded and expanded our operations in Romania, broke ground on our new super center factory in Malaysia, and purchased the site in Thailand for a future chemistry factory and tech center. These investments add capacity and resiliency to our manufacturing footprint. We are proud of our accomplishments in 2024, and I want to acknowledge our teams across MKS who delivered these results despite muted end markets. I also want to thank our customers across our semiconductor, electronics and packaging, and specialty industrial markets for their support and engagement as we work to deliver unique solutions that enable their success. Entering 2025, MKS is in a strong position with one of the broadest and deepest product portfolios that uniquely allow us to solve our customers’ most complex challenges. These challenges are placing increasing pressure on traditional Moore’s Law innovation cycles. MKS is enabling solutions to this…

Thank you, John and good morning everyone. As I’ve had a few months now to dive deeper into my role, I am impressed with the level of execution that MKS delivers, especially in light of the industry demand backdrop of the past couple of years. In the coming quarters, we will maintain our focus and discipline on managing costs while we make the necessary investments for long-term growth and business continuity. I will talk a little more about how we are looking at the coming quarters in a moment, but first, let me review our Q4 and full year performance in detail. For the fourth quarter, MKS reported revenue of $935 million, up 4% sequentially and 5% year-over-year. The result was above the midpoint of our guidance range and was driven mainly by better than expected semiconductor and electronics and packaging revenue. Fourth quarter semiconductor revenue was $400 million, up 6% sequentially and 10% year-over-year. The result was above the high-end of our expectation as our team continued to execute on strong in-quarter demand, especially as related to DRAM and logic foundry applications, where we have seen relative normalization of inventory levels at our customers. NAND is bouncing off very low base, but we are seeing evidence that we are making good progress in burning through excess inventory at some customers. Fourth quarter electronics and packaging revenue was $254 million, an increase of 10% quarter-over-quarter and also above the high-end of our expectations. This result was led by higher flexible PCB drilling and chemistry equipment sales, partially offset by normal seasonal declines in chemistry. On a year-over-year basis, sales were up 13% driven by stronger performance in chemistry, flexible drilling equipment, and chemistry equipment. Chemistry sales were up 9%, excluding the impact of FX and palladium pass-through, continuing a gradual…

Thank you, Ram. I’ll wrap up by saying I am very pleased with the performance we delivered in 2024. We have leveraged our broad and deep product portfolio to capture opportunities across our businesses in a tough demand environment and that’s thanks to the deep engagement we enjoy with our customers. We have managed our costs well, maintained strong margins, and made progress on our deleveraging agenda. Going forward, we are well positioned on multiple fronts. Improvement in NAND when it comes, continued order and design win traction in our world-class optics portfolio, and incremental design win and order activity in both chemistry and chemistry equipment, which are benefiting from increasing complexity for advanced packaging in the AI era. You also heard from Ram that we will invest incrementally both in growth and business continuity to ensure we are ready to capture exciting opportunities when markets return to growth. Of course, we’ll do that while maintaining the prudent focus on profit and cash generation that investors know us for. We are looking forward to an eventful year ahead. With that, operator, please open the call for Q&A.

Certainly. [Operator Instructions] And our first question for today comes from the line of Krish Sankar from TD Cowen. Your question please.

Yes. Hi, thanks for taking my question. I had a couple of them. First one, John you mentioned how some of your NAND component inventory at your semi cap customers is being burnt. I’m kind of curious, where do you think those levels are today versus before and how much ahead would they start purchasing your components again when they anticipate a NAND upturn?

Yes, good morning, Krish. Yes, that’s great question. So we have seen green shoots there. We’ve talked in the past about a lot of inventory being burned off. We are starting to see some of that happen and we are starting to see some new orders for that. So it’s already happening. So we are happy with that progress. It’s just that it’s still off of a low level. So good progress, green shoots, but certainly not at the level where it used to be.

So, is it fair to assume just given what your customers are seeing, what you are seeing semi revenue should remain around these levels until even the June quarter?

Well, we are not guiding out beyond that, as you know, but I would say this. Because we are starting to see these orders coming in for NAND, it will depend on how much upgrade business occurs or whether there is a new greenfield. So, if those happen, they would drive that part of our revenue up. And so we’re in a good position if and when that happens.

And then just a quick follow-up for Ram, you kind of mentioned $250 million to $260 million in OpEx, is that the run-rate to use for the rest of the year? I mean, and should it normalize, because it seems like it’s stepping up quite a bit from last year?

Yes, hi. Good morning, Krish. So first of all, let me just say that we are very disciplined and focused on our OpEx pending. Our OpEx in 2024 was flat to slightly less compared to the previous year. In 2025, we see some opportunities to invest in long-term growth and to build some efficiencies within our business. And that’s why we are having the additional step up investment. Over the long-term, we remain committed to a 40% incremental operating margins, which we will see as the top line picks up.

Got it. Thanks, John. Thanks, Ram.

Thanks, Krish.

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Peter Peng from JPMorgan. Your question please.

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. Just on your semiconductor segment, some of your customers and peers are talking about a mid single-digit growth for WFE. So against that backdrop, can you just give any some of the end market dynamics and some of your design wins, how are you thinking about your relative performance versus that level for the year?

Yes. Good morning, Peter. Well, we’ve been able to outperform WFE over the long-term by 200 basis points through cycles. So we are really well positioned. The design wins, activities that we’ve seen are really helpful. Our focus on world-class optics is another lever for us to gain share relatively. You are right, most of our peers and customers have said kind of mid-single digit growth in WFE. And if that happens, we certainly will be enjoying that level of growth as well. As you know, during a strong upturn, we outperform because our customers are pulling a lot more. And then downturn, we underperform. And overall, we look through the cycle, and that’s where we are still at that 200 basis points above the long-term CAGR.

Got it. Okay. And then on your specialty industrial, that business looks like it’s kind of been steady declining over the last few quarters, any idea of when you think that business would kind of bottom and start to recover?

Yes. And as we have said on the call, Peter, it’s made up of several different kinds of markets. And so we called out that general industrial is the area that is seeing weakness, which is not a surprise. I think if you read all the PMI data, that wouldn’t be a surprise. And even organically, though, it’s only down 3% year-over-year for the entire – that segment of our market. So, it’s bouncing along the bottom. And I think our best visibility is the guides we gave. And it can be lumpy because it’s made up of several different markets. So, I think steady and slightly down is how we see it right now.

Thank you.

Thank you, Peter.

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Melissa Weathers from Deutsche Bank, your question please.

Hi there. Thank you for letting me to ask the question. I wanted to go back to the NAND side. Can you talk about when we are seeing the spending happen in upgrades versus greenfield capacity, where does MKS fit in that narrative? Do you have higher content in greenfield versus upgrades, or how do we think about the upgrade dynamics this year?

Yes. Good morning, Melissa. Yes, so certainly a greenfield requires brand new tools. And as you know, MKS has a broad portfolio around those tools. With upgrades, most of the benefit for us is in the power, the RF power. And as I have said before, it depends on what the upgrade is, and if it’s going from 100 layers to 200 layers, there is certainly a lot of RF power that is needed. And so that’s where we are starting to see some of the inventory burn off, as we talked about, and some of that pulls on certain particular product lines there.

Got it. Thank you. And then still on the semi side, but on the logic piece, this year we are expecting some pretty healthy spending on the leading edge nodes. Gate-all-around volumes are going to ramp throughout the year. So, can you talk about what the impact of that trend is on MKS’s business? Is there, do you have any kind of content story with gate-all-around nodes or how should we think about that logic piece continuing to ramp through this year?

Yes. There are lots of things that we play in and contribute to enabling this advanced logic capability. One thing we called out in the earnings call is, advanced ozone applications for gate-all-around. And so, we have a broad portfolio, so we are playing in that advanced node growth, but we have particular areas of product lines that enable that particular growth as well.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Jim Ricchiuti from Needham & Company, your question please.

Hi. Good morning. Hey John, besides NAND, which other areas, markets, or subsectors are you seeing some signs of recovery green shoots as you pointed out?

Yes. Good morning, Jim. Well, we are starting to see some of that chemistry recover in advanced packaging. Even though quarter-on-quarter can be lumpy, we do see year over year an increase in the PCB chemistry world. And we grew 12% organically. We believe that is – far outpaces the industry, by the way. And the other green shoots that I would call out besides NAND, as you say, is the equipment, chemistry equipment for advanced packaging. We saw these orders pick up a couple quarters ago. They continue to pick up. And this is for MLB and HDI applications for AI.

Got it. Hey John, looking at that EMP business, can you help us and maybe remind us again how much of that you would characterize as advanced packaging and whether you want to give it to us for the quarter and just some sense as to how that might have grown over the year?

Yes. I think what we used to talk about for advanced packaging was really the IC substrate part, the one that’s really enabling for things like AI servers and non-AI servers and PCs. That’s about a third of the PCB market. What’s surprising and good for us is that because of the number of layers and the complexity of the number of chips being packaged, we are starting to see AI drive growth in MLB and HDI. And so MLB is a third of the market, HDI is a third of the market, and IC substrates are a third of the market. And the equipment that we talk about is driven – the equipment orders is driven mostly by HDI and MLB. Packaged substrates remains, the part for the AI servers is great. Those customers are really ramping. But as we have talked about, that’s still 10%, 15% of the entire IC substrate market. And so the other 85% of the market is still relatively muted because that’s driven by PCs and non-AI servers.

Got it. Thank you.

Thanks Jim.

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Vivek Arya from Bank of America Securities, your question please.

Hey, this is Michael Mani on for Vivek Arya. Thanks so much for taking our questions. To start maybe on gross margins, it seems like they are dipping into this quarter, but that’s related to higher equipment mix. But what are the puts and takes for gross margins as we go through the year? Should we expect the greater contribution from chemistry to help any other segment dynamics there? Appreciate any color. Thank you.

Yes. Hi Michael. I will take that. First of all, we are very, very happy with the improvements we have seen in gross margin year-over-year. We improved our gross margins by 190 basis points, ‘23 to ‘24. And a lot of that was due to the commercial actions and operational excellence programs in place. Most of those operational excellence programs will continue, which includes manufacturing excellence and procurement savings, and will continue to help our gross margin in the coming quarters. What we are seeing in Q1 is a higher concentration of equipment that we saw in Q4. That is going to continue and that will impact our mix. That combined with the impact of the Lunar New Year reducing our chemistry mix is the reason why we are guiding our gross margin slightly lower in Q1. So, to your question, the actions that we control to influence the gross margin will continue, and the mix is seasonal.

Yes. And I would add too, Michael, that it is seasonal, the chemistry revenue for packaging, because we do have a consumer products component to our business. And Lunar New Year, where many of our customers are shutdown for a week or so, it doesn’t occur going forward. And so we kind of expect if normal cyclicality happens that the proportion of our revenue that’s chemistry returns and so that’s a tailwind for gross margin.

Great. Thank you. And then for my follow-up I just wanted to ask about your design win pipeline, so with Auto Tech, Electro Scientific, how does your design win pipeline look based off the synergies you were able to generate from a customer revenue basis from these acquisitions? Has it grown? And when do you expect most of these revenues to kind of convert? Is that something we could see later this year? Is it more further out in 2026, 2027? And then finally on that, were there any areas within that pipeline where maybe the company was surprised at how competitive it was, like areas that maybe it didn’t expect to land a win, but it was more competitive than initially anticipated. Thank you.

Yes. No, we still have great engagement with many customers on this portfolio that we are able to provide, meaning laser systems as well as the chemistry and chemistry systems. So, that engagement and the design wins that come from that remain strong. We have multiple design wins that we have talked about in the past. To your point, it does take 1 year or 2 years or 3years, depending on the customer, for that revenue to show up. Your other question about were there any headwinds and whatnot, I think most of the headwinds would be you win a design, and then maybe that customer is not levered to AI, and they may not grow as much. Maybe they are levered to PCs, and so they would certainly not be adding volume. But once you win that design win and once that market returns, we expect them to be successful as well.

Great. Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Steve Barger from KeyBanc Capital Markets, your question please.

Thanks. John, for your comment about a healthy pace of design wins for optical assemblies, are those coming from a product refresh or are those new programs that you haven’t been on before?

Yes. Both, Steve, some are a program we are already on, but it’s an upgrade, the next generation of it. And some are literally new things that no one has ever done, including our customers. So, it’s exciting to do both. Number one, you are not losing share. You are actually being asked to upgrade what you already delivered. Number two, we are being asked to do things that are more and more complex, require more and more of our portfolio, and therefore require much stickier and fewer and fewer our competitors can actually do that. So, it’s a combination of both Steve.

Are you seeing the pace of RFQs or the conversion rate from that initial process to wins change as the cycle starts to move forward or how would you characterize that process?

Well, I think for world-class optics, those design – the timing for designs is multiple years before they go into the market. So, really no change, because that pace has to continue no matter where you are in the cycle. I would say we are seeing more of it on average over time because of the investments we made in capability in world-class optics. So, it’s really long design cycles, difficult things to do, and they continue through the cycle.

Got it. And then as you look at the progression of advanced packaging demand, is there a meaningful difference across different variations like CoWoS-S versus CoWoS-L? I guess is there an optical demand trend beyond just broader packaging proliferation?

Well, packaging, to your point, is evolving quickly, and it’s a very dynamic area, which we love, right, because that means new technology, new opportunities. I think to your point, CoWoS-S is moving to L, to R and all of that. And that’s important, but really what we are talking about at MKS are the 50 layers below that, and the chemistry, and the drilling and the equipment below that. And so that 50 layers used to be 40 layers, and before that was 30 layers. So, that’s an exciting area for us. And that’s really why we thought putting Auto Tech together with MKS makes a lot of sense, enabling that roadmap to go faster.

Understood. Thanks.

Thanks Steve.

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes in line of Toshiya Hari from Goldman Sachs, your question please.

Hi. Good morning. Thank you so much for taking the question. John, a couple of your customers have spoken to the recent export restrictions and how that’s having an impact on revenue in calendar ‘25. I know most of this should be indirect for you guys, but I am curious if there is a way to quantify any negative hit from the recent restrictions in semis, obviously.

Yes. Maybe I will let Ram take that.

I can start. So, our guidance reflects our best view at this point. We don’t see any material impact based on what’s in place today. Now, as you know, the situation is quite fluid, and we are evaluating it closely.

Toshiya, I think you were asking about the BIS restrictions that came out at the end of the year, or you are asking about tariffs?

At the end of the year, the BIS restrictions.

Yes. Well, yes, as you read, KLA, Lam, everybody has come up with some new numbers. And we are, as Ram said, this is our best view because of what we see from our customers. Obviously, if their revenue goes down, we will see that. But I would say our direct sales to China for the semiconductor market is very, very low. The numbers that impacted us occurred in October 2022, and that revenue is out of our numbers right now. So, it’s still indirect impact on the same order as what it impacts our customers.

Got it. That’s helpful. And then as my follow-up, maybe one for Ram, so you have been with the company for a couple of months now. I am curious, I know you guys are very focused on paying down debt on the balance sheet, but curious if you have been able to identify any opportunities to sort of improve the operations of the company, how you guys think about working capital, tax strategy, anything that you have been able to kind of identify and potentially improve going forward, if you can share that with us, that would be really helpful. Thank you.

Yes, certainly. On cash flow itself, where you were going, as John mentioned in his script, $410 million increase from $178 million year-over-year. Strong free cash flow generation and a good link to the P&L. 11.4% of revenue was 500 basis points improvement year-over-year. So, on debt repayment, our continued focus will be, start from the P&L, maintain and continue the actions we are working on now to keep the margin growth and profitability going. Free cash flow is about 92% of our non-GAAP net earnings. So, that bridge is very good and we need to see that translate into the cash flow. We continue to look at re-pricing and prepayment of our debt, as you saw in January. Those opportunities will continue. And in terms of P&L, I think the company is executing well. We are constantly looking at operational excellence programs, which we will continue to do, and then drive that cash flow to help with the debt repayment. And our capital allocation strategy has not changed. Prepayment of debt is our number one priority after we invest in the business.

Thank you very much.

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Shane Brett from Morgan Stanley, your question please.

Thank you for taking my questions. So, your balance sheet inventory was down 20 days, quarter-over-quarter. Is there anything worth noting here? And how should we think about your targets on days of inventory going forward? The reason why I am asking this is that with what seems like within lead time orders increasing for semi, I am just trying to understand how much longer can you support semi continue to come higher than your expectations? Thank you.

Yes. So, we are happy with the progress we made on inventory, Shane. And I think as it starts burning down, we are getting to leaner, normalized turns rates. And as you know, if there is a large ramp, obviously we would use some working capital to prepare ahead of time for that normal. But I think we have a little higher inventory than we have in the historic past. And that’s because of certain strategic components that we have elected to keep, given what happened at the last ramp with shortages. So, inventory is a little higher, but we are happy with the progress we made in decreasing it.

Does that answer your questions?

Yes. Thank you very much.

Thank you. And our next question then comes from the line of Vijay Rakesh from Mizuho, your question please.

Yes. Hey John and Ram. Just on the AI side, you mentioned the tailwind in packaging. Can you talk to like, what person is that AI makes as a percent of your total revenues and how do you see that, I would say, growing in 2025? I know you mentioned as a percent of the substrate market, it’s pretty small. But if you walk through like, just for you, what the exposure is.

Yes, Vijay, so it’s a little – it’s easy to say in certain submarkets, like the IC substrate part, which we talked about being kind of 10%, 15% is driven by AI. It’s harder to break that out with respect to MLB and HDI. We see the tool orders because those are big markets that are levered to other device types. I would say also remember that AI is driven by semiconductors, a lot of semiconductors. And we have over 85% of every step in the process for making semiconductor chips. So, if you – you do understand certainly that AI is driven by Moore’s Law. Moore’s Law is driven by semiconductor progress and packaging progress. We address 85% of semiconductor processes, 70% of packaging processes. So, as a company, we are levered to AI as much as we always have been to Moore’s Law. So, that’s our best answer for you because otherwise breaking it up is pretty difficult for us to do.

Got it. And then, Ram, as you look at better free cash flow and driving faster with better prepayments, any thoughts on deleveraging from the ForEx down to the 2x was your longer target, any timing on that, are you pulling it in? How do you look at that? Thanks.

Yes. Let’s just go back to last year, just to drive the point home that we are very focused on what you are asking. In a year when we did not get much help from sales, we repaid close to $500 million, $476 million, including the $50 million mandatory. That alone has brought our number down to 4.3x. And all expectations are that with a little help from top line, we can accelerate that given our current cost structure. So, the plan and the focus is exactly what you said, to get that down to acceptable levels, which we have said, 2x net, and that’s our focus. As for timing, I don’t want to predict that now, but rest assured our focus is to get it down to that level.

Thanks.

Thanks Vijay.

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Joe Quatrochi from Wells Fargo, your question please.

Yes. Thanks for taking the question. I think in the past, during the December quarter call, you talked about the growth that are – in your optics business within the semis business. I was curious of how that did in 2024 and how do you think about the opportunity for growth in 2025 given the outlook for some of those customers?

Yes. Joe, good morning, it’s John. We have talked about optics, world-class optics, and we have talked about that revenue over a longer time period, as you know, going from kind of the $150 million to the $300 million level run rates. So, over the last year or 2 years, we have actually outgrown that segment of WFE, the lithography, metrology, inspection segments. So, ‘24 was a good year, a strong year. Certainly, we are not immune to any cycles in that sub-segment of WFE. But as we talked about earlier, it’s really the design wins that really give us confidence that we will continue this effort and it will lead us to outperform, certainly in that sub-segment, in WFE overall.

Thanks. And this is a follow-up, maybe a little bit more housekeeping, but I think you are guiding interest expense to be up slightly quarter-over-quarter. I know it’s a net number, but I would have thought, I guess that would be down given the re-pricing and prepayment in January.

Yes. The main reason is because of, there was two things. We clarified the pension re-class impact in Q4, right, did you guess that. So, if you take that out, our interest in Q4 is $48 million, which is very close to what we guided. The full impact of the $100 million prepayment and the 25 basis points of reduction that we got in January is not included in our Q1 guidance. Our Q1 guidance is $49.5, which is, if you look at quarter-over-quarter, we have dropped our interest rates by 40% compared to Q1 ‘24 versus Q1 ‘25. So, that’s a good model for you to look at what we have done today, the impact of what we have done today. And we will continue to look for additional opportunities to bring our interest rate down and also to accelerate our prepayments.

Okay. Thank you.

Thanks Joe.

Thank you. This does conclude the question-and-answer session of today’s program. I would like to hand the program back to Paretosh Misra for any further remarks.

Thank you all for joining us today and for your interest in MKS. Operator, you may close the call, please.

Certainly. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your participation in today’s conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Good day.