Earnings Labs

Mount Logan Capital Inc. Common Stock (MLCI)

Q3 2025 Earnings Call· Fri, Nov 14, 2025

$4.53

+2.26%

Key Takeaways · AI generated
AI summary not yet generated for this transcript. Generation in progress for older transcripts; check back soon, or browse the full transcript below.

Same-Day

-0.19%

1 Week

-3.25%

1 Month

+9.09%

vs S&P

+9.17%

Transcript

Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Mount Logan Capital's Third Quarter 2025 Results Conference Call. Before we begin, I'd like to remind listeners that today's discussion will include forward-looking statements. These statements discuss our current expectations and projections relating to our financial position, results of operations, plans, objectives, future performance and business. These statements and other comments are not guarantees of future performance, but rather are subject to risk and uncertainty, some of which are beyond our control. These forward-looking statements apply as of today, and you should not rely on them as representing our views in the future. We undertake no obligation to update these statements after this call. For a description of the risks associated with Mount Logan Capital's business, please see our most recent filings with the SEC. In addition, we'll be referring to certain non-GAAP financial measures during this call. Additional details and reconciliations of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures are in today's earnings release. This morning's conference call is hosted by Mount Logan's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Ted Goldthorpe; our Chief Financial Officer, Nikita Klassen; our President, Henry Wang; and the Head of Investor Relations, Scott Chan. As a reminder, all references to dollar amounts on this call are in U.S. dollars unless otherwise stated. I'll now turn the call over to Mr. Goldthorpe. You may begin.

Edward Goldthorpe

Management

Thank you, everyone. Good morning, and thank you, everyone, for joining us today. What a year it has been for our company and team. We are incredibly excited to discuss Mount Logan Capital's third quarter with you today, which reflected the culmination of several years of preparation and hard work that enabled us to redomicile from Canada to the U.S., translate our financials from IFRS to GAAP and now trade on the NASDAQ Capital Market under the ticker MLCI. This year has been the heaviest lift for our team yet, and I'm deeply grateful for everyone's contributions and support to get us here. A special thank you to our shareholders and Board members for supporting our vision for Mount Logan, including the 180 Degree Capital shareholders, management team and Board, which overwhelmingly supported the combination of our respective businesses and specifically the vision we have for growth in 2026 and beyond. We're excited to welcome everyone to Mount Logan's first earnings call as a U.S.-listed alternative asset management platform and insurance solutions platform. While we will spend time discussing our financial results today, given the intra-quarter transaction and related movements on the legacy term portfolio and transaction expenses, there is some noise in the numbers, and therefore, I want to spend some additional time today laying out the vision we have for our platform as we look ahead to 2026 and our ambitions for driving significant AUM, FRE and SRE expansion for the years to come. We'll also provide a quick update on our capital allocation expectations through year-end before we turn the call over to Nikita to review our third quarter financial performance in more detail. Today, Mount Logan is an alternative asset management and insurance solutions platform that manages in excess of $2 billion of assets for various…

Nikita Klassen

Management

Thanks, Ted. Good morning, everyone. Before reviewing our third quarter results, we want to note that as part of the acquisition of 180 Degree Capital, Mount Logan has transitioned its financial reporting from IFRS to U.S. GAAP. All the financial results discussed on today's call are presented under U.S. GAAP, which, while required as a U.S. registrant, also enhances the transparency and comparability of our financial performance going forward and with our peers. Further, some results are not directly comparable year-over-year as the acquisition of 180 Degree Capital did not close until mid-September 2025. I'll now walk through our third quarter financial highlights. This quarter was an incredibly transitional quarter, one that reflected substantial integration costs and accounting reset and the investments being made to scale our platform. For the 3 months ended September 30, we reported a net loss of $13.4 million compared to a loss of $2.4 million last year, largely related to non-cash items. This loss was driven by a gross $19 million impairment charge tied to the Logan Ridge Investment Management contract as Logan Ridge completed its merger with Portman Ridge in July, with Portman Ridge being the surviving entity and renamed BC Partners Investment Corporation. As part of this transaction, Mount Logan recognized a profit sharing interest with an affiliate of Sierra Crest, the adviser of BCIC, which reduced the net impairment by $11.2 million. The company also recognized a $4.5 million gain on acquisition of 180 Degree Capital as consideration paid, i.e., the shares issued were less than the fair market value of the net assets acquired. We also recognized an incremental $3 million worth of transaction costs as the transaction was finalized. Total revenues for the quarter came in at $11.4 million, down 10% year-over-year, while 9 months ended revenues for 2025 rose…

Edward Goldthorpe

Management

Thank you, Nikita. Overall, we are incredibly excited for Mount Logan's next phase of growth as we scale our U.S. domiciled asset management and insurance solutions businesses. We have a fortified balance sheet that provides significant flexibility to invest for the future, and we are well positioned to capitalize on the opportunities we are seeing in the market. We believe the substantial time and resources invested in our business during 2025 set the stage for meaningful growth in 2026 and 2027, helping to drive long-term value creation for our shareholders. This concludes our prepared remarks. We would now like to transition the call to Q&A. If the operator could please go ahead.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question for today comes from Adam Waldo of Lismore Partners, my apologies. Our next question comes from Matthew Lee of Canaccord Genuity.

Matthew Lee

Analyst

Just want to talk about the trajectory for both SRE and FRE here. You now have the capital to invest to get the flywheel moving a bit. How should we be thinking about SRE and FRE growth in F '26? And what do you think is the run rate kind of going even further medium term, just given the capital position right now?

Nikita Klassen

Management

Thanks, Matt. So let's start with FRE. So as we said, FRE was pretty much flat quarter-over-quarter. In going into 2026, I think that's really where we're going to see things start to ramp up, particularly around BC Investment Corporation. This really adds a lot of scale to our platform. Our management fees are expected to increase to about $720,000 a quarter compared to what we recognized in the prior quarter. And under this new structure, they intend to pay incentive fees as well which will probably yield to us about $500,000 annually. So this is the upside that we didn't previously had when we have -- when we were the investment manager to Logan Ridge. Otherwise, again, the focus is always on cost and really making sure that we can grow these fees without expanding on the cost side, which we believe we've really invested in that over these past few years. So expect positive growth from there. Additionally, with SOFIX, one of our other growth engines, we have waived $415,000 of incentive fees to date as it continues to scale. So expect that vehicle to continue to add to FRE pretty strongly. And then lastly, Ability, our biggest growth engine. It has provided $1.6 million in fees for the quarter and $6.4 million annualized. And so as we continue to manage more of that book of investments and the vehicle continues to scale, I expect pretty strong growth there. On the SRE side, there are things within our control and things that are not within our control, largely related to cost of funds. But what we can control is really looking at sort of where rates are going and what we can do on the NII side to control it. We do have a hedge that limits some of our exposure on the downside that's helping. And then it's really just also looking at the cash drag and being able to find investment opportunities, which is challenging in a tighter spread environment. So generally speaking, it's looking pretty good. As we mentioned, we're trying to move towards a 75 to 100 basis point SRE margin going into next year. It's really just what we can control there.

Matthew Lee

Analyst

Okay. Maybe asked a different way. I mean, your FRE is kind of trending towards $10 million a year at the current run rate. Your SRE is kind of recovering off a low first half. I mean, should we be thinking about this as kind of like combined $15 million to $20 million for 2026? Or is it too early for guidance?

Nikita Klassen

Management

I'd say on an organic basis, that's fair. And then it's really just how we look to deploy the capital from the current transaction and where we can see upside from there.

Edward Goldthorpe

Management

Yes. So I think the plan today is we do have a bunch of cash, and we're going to do a couple of different things with it. One is we're going to buy back -- we're going to do this tender that we've talked about at a big premium to market. We're going to do -- we have a really good pipeline of M&A opportunities. And number three is put capital into the insurance company. There is a lag. When we put money into the insurance company, there is a bit of a lag between capital deployment and SRE benefit. So you should really see real benefit on SRE in the second half of next year.

Matthew Lee

Analyst

Got it. And maybe I'll touch on that, you mentioned M&A opportunities. I mean, 180 is now kind of digested. What sort of opportunity are you seeing in the market?

Edward Goldthorpe

Management

Yes. I mean I'd say this is like the perfect storm in a good way for us, which is, number one is now because we're listed on the NASDAQ, it gives us a currency that is deemed to be more attractive for many shareholders. And number two is we're getting size and scale where people feel like that works for them. More importantly, the scale matters. And I think a lot of -- the M&A environment tends to ebb and flow a little bit. Our pipeline has never been more robust. So we have 3 or 4 really strategic, very accretive things in our pipeline that we expect to announce, hopefully, some of them by the first quarter that will be real catalysts, I think, for growth for our business. So again, I think we're combining -- this year was a consolidation year. We kind of merged with TURN, we merged our BDCs. We've kind of like cut some costs. Next year, we really expect to be growing both from an organic and inorganic basis.

Operator

Operator

There are currently no further questions in the queue. [Operator Instructions] We have a question from Chuck Burns of CIBC.

Charles Burns

Analyst

Congratulations on the -- taking this over the finish line this year, this transaction. I just have a couple of questions. The U.S. market transition, how is that progressing with regard to institutional interest and maybe brokerage coverage?

Edward Goldthorpe

Management

Yes, it's a good question, actually. So I would say this is kind of like we had to get through this last quarter and get this announced. And I think this tender is going to be obviously a good catalyst for us to engage with the Street. So we are -- we obviously are being very, very proactive in many different ways of engaging with institutional shareholders. And because of this NASDAQ listing in our size, it gives us an opportunity to have a more robust dialogue with people than previously. So I think that's a big, big focus of ours now that the quarter is out, now that the transaction is closed and now that we're going to announce this tender.

Charles Burns

Analyst

Okay. And the second question is there's been a lot of noise in the markets regarding private credit and the media has been kind of all over that issue. How is that impacting Mount Logan?

Edward Goldthorpe

Management

Very good question. I would say People have been calling for a [indiscernible] in private credit since I got in the business like 20 years ago. I mean I would say the recent -- the 4 big recent headlines all have similar things in common. And I'm referring to like first brands and some other things. First of all, first brands, most of the capital -- only 2% of the capital structure was in private credit hands. Most of that was either syndicated risk or in other channels. And again, the most of each of these 4 idiosyncratic situations, Tricolor, that one, generally speaking, were frauds or misappropriation of funds. They weren't necessarily tied to a macro theme. And then secondly, like -- our business, Mount Logan is really levered, generally speaking, towards corporate credit, and we haven't seen a big deterioration in corporate credit at all quite yet. And I'm not saying it's not going to happen. We just haven't seen it. All of these things, the catalyst to cause the stress came out of the asset-based part of their business. and the asset-based finance part of their business. And that's where -- that's like we're not really -- we're not leveraged those kind of channels.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from [ Ben Brockhoff ] of [ Brockhoff Capital. ]

Unknown Analyst

Analyst

I wanted to ask about return on equity and whether you're seeing any changes on that because of spread compression or other reasons. I know you had guided to about, call it, 25% or 26% ROEs in one of the last presentations. I wanted to see if you had any commentary on that guidance, either short term or long term.

Edward Goldthorpe

Management

Yes, I'll answer that. So I would say like if you just take a step back, right, like there's a couple of tailwinds for ROE. One is scale. So like we have public company costs that we are amortizing on a lower base. Number two is obviously our insurance company is expected to grow. So we have a little bit of a transition period because we're sitting a lot of cash post merger. But once we kind of fully integrate all of that, there should be some good tailwinds on our ROE. The 25% you're referring to is the incremental ROE we get from investing in our insurance company. It doesn't necessarily measure it overall. But we do expect to drive pretty robust ROEs on a go-forward basis.

Operator

Operator

At this time, we currently have no further questions. So I'll hand it back to the management team for any further remarks.

Edward Goldthorpe

Management

Thank you, everyone, for your time today. Looking ahead, our focus remains on disciplined execution and delivering measurable milestones that will showcase the strength of the platform we've built. As always, we are happy to make ourselves available for any questions you may have. We look forward to speaking with you to recap the fourth quarter and full year 2025 results in March of 2026. I hope everyone has a good weekend and a good American Thanksgiving. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you all for joining today's call. You may now disconnect your lines.