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MakeMyTrip Limited (MMYT)

Q2 2018 Earnings Call· Wed, Nov 1, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the MakeMyTrip Limited Q2 Fiscal 2018 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference call may be recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Mr. Jonathan Huang, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Jonathan Huang

Analyst

Thank you. Greetings and welcome, everyone, to MakeMyTrip’s Fiscal 2018 Second Quarter Earnings Call. We wish to remind everyone that certain statements made on today’s call are considered forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Safe Harbor provision of the US Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and, by their nature, are subject to inherent uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially. Any forward-looking information relayed on this call speaks only as of this date and the company undertakes no obligation to update the information to reflect changed circumstances. Additional information concerning these statements are contained in the Risk Factors and Forward-Looking Statements section of the company's annual report on Form 20-F filed with the SEC on July 18, 2017, and copies of this filings are available from the SEC or from the company's Investor Relations department. On the call today are Deep Kalra, our Founder, Chairman and Group CEO; Rajesh Magow, Co-Founder and CEO, India; and Mohit Kabra, our Group’s CFO. And now, I would like to turn the call over to Deep to start off the discussion for today.

Deep Kalra

Analyst

Thanks, Jonathan, and welcome, everyone, to our second earnings call for fiscal year 2018. I'm sure everyone on the call is keenly aware that India remains one of the fastest growing large economies in the world with a commensurately, rapidly expanding travel market. As we completed the first half of fiscal year 2018, we continue to see strong demand for domestic air and hotel bookings across the country. Our recent HVS research report showed greater hotel occupancy rates across all major parts of India. At the same time, we have seen strong interest for international outbound travels from new and existing users. With this strong travel demand backdrop, we have further improved by the latest estimates of Internet users in India. The latest projections estimate that India has over 450 million mobiles Internet users, a base that second in size only to China. More encouragingly, the current base of Internet savage users who book and pay online is estimated to be in the range of 50 million to 70 million users, thereby providing us with a long runway for growth. During fiscal Q2, the MMYT Group continued to drive tremendous online scale and reach within India’s travel market. For example, our total unique visitors have now surpassed 154 million and we have a base of over 27 million transacted customers. Additionally, our cumulative app downloads have crossed over 101 million, and we have over 87 million monthly shopper visits and over 15 million monthly active users accessing our brand. We believe the strong brand recall is largely driven due to the high volume of transactions executed though our platforms and our focus on providing the best pre- and post-sales experience to our customers. Furthermore, we are also constantly driving the offline to online behavior shifts through targeted campaigns and addressing…

Rajesh Magow

Analyst

Thanks, Deep, and hello, everyone. I would like to begin by highlighting our accomplishments achieved in the first six months of the fiscal year. I am pleased to share that we have reported gross bookings of nearly $2 billion and over $280 million revenue in revenue less service cost or net revenue. Additionally, the contribution of hotels and packages to total net revenue reached over 57%, well on track to represent more than three quarters of the contribution mixed, a key benchmark of our long-term strategic plan. We also achieved more than 11.4 million actual room nights stayed across our entire hotels and packages business, which we believe is unrivaled by peers in our market. In Q2, our India standalone online hotel room nights stayed also increased by nearly 29% year-over-year on pro forma basis. As for our air ticketing business, we have locked more than 15.5 million flight segments flown by our customers since the beginning of the fiscal year. In Q2, our air segments growth of nearly 15% year-over-year on a pro forma basis continues to underscore our leading domestic air market share position even as we rapidly drive higher online outbound flight bookings. Lastly, our bus ticketing business continues to expand rapidly with more than 19.3 million tickets travelled and increased by over 45% year-on-year in the fiscal second quarter on a pro forma basis. During the seasonally low second quarter, our team drove rapid innovations and process improvements in order to deliver customer experience with our brands that is better than before. We also took great efforts to deepen our relationships with our supplier community, which is instrumental to our success, given the fragmented nature of the hotel landscape. In Q2, we sharpened our focus on providing customers with the richest and more personalized experience when…

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

Thanks, Rajesh, and hello, everyone. I would like to begin with a quick recap of our three strategies and financial clarities for this fiscal year along with a brief update on the progress made on them during the quarter. Our top priorities included driving strong year-on-year growth as well as reducing operating losses via improved operational efficiencies, particularly on on customer acquisition spends. I cannot share the progress during the quarter on this three priorities. While growth has been an overarching priority, we have been targeting not just transaction growth but equally strong growth in gross booking values and net revenues. As if you would recollect, fiscal Q1 of this year was the first reported still quarter over the year of the ibibo growth with MakeMyTrip. In the second full quarter post the merger, I am pleased to inform that we have seen growth accelerating, despite this being a seasonally weak travel quarter. While in the first quarter of this fiscal year, we reported net revenues of $141.2 million with a 135% year-over-year growth, and in this seasonally low travel second quarter, we report net revenues of $139.2 million with a year-on-year growth of 156.5% on constant currency basis. This acceleration in growth was a result of implementing a comprehensive multi-brand strategy where in each brand would continue to leverage its relative strengths in each unique customer segment. In terms of adjusted operating losses, while we reported losses of $25 million in Q2 of fiscal year 2017 versus $24.3 million in Q1 of fiscal 2017, in the fiscal year that is pre the ibibo Group merger, this year we report reduced losses of $45 million in the second quarter of fiscal year 2018 compared to $52.3 million in adjusted operating losses reported in the previous quarter. We believe the performance…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Gaurav M from Citi. Your line is open.

Gaurav Malhotra

Analyst

See your standalone room nights growth on a pro forma basis was around 36% last quarter, it has come down to 29% this quarter. So just want to get a sense as to given that we are still very early in terms of penetration, why has it been a steady decline in the growth rate? That’s my first question, please.

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

Largely as I called out, Gaurav, the focus has been on also kind of improving the mix of room nights within the overall room nights that is in cloud, and therefore, the focus has kind of shifted from growth across segments to growth largely been driven from the premium segments. That’s one of the reasons for the small tempering that we’ve seen in growth in the current quarter. Again, this would kind of even more be a tactical quarter kind of a thing considering that this also happens to be a low season quarter.

Gaurav Malhotra

Analyst

So this is not something which is like a change in strategy that you will now start focusing more on the more premium hotels and less on the budget hotels. This is just more project with seasonally slow -- Is that correct?

Rajesh Magow

Analyst

Yes, Gaurav, maybe I can just add to what Mohit said. No, you’re right, it’s not that we are shifting our strategy to move away from growth focus on this domestic segment as we rightly pointed out. It is a multi-penetrated segment. And also our strategy remains to focus on all segment of hotels and potentially alternative accommodation as well. But I guess what Mohit was trying to say was that given that we also want to make sure as we have looked at post merger both the brands more deeply in terms of looking at the economics of the business, n general we are also rationalizing promotions and discounts, et cetera, so it might so happen in a particular quarter, especially in a low season quarter, where we would try to tactically kind of optimize these spends, not necessarily completely go overboard going after room nights, et cetera and then kind of prior to meet dual objective, which is continue to keep growing but also get kind of high quality growth, if you will. And you will see our focus on growth will continue, but at the same time, we would also, like I said, we would like to rationalize the promotions in a way that we continue to kind of keep improving the economics as a well.

Deep Kalra

Analyst

And Gaurav, if I can just add, this has been -- what Rajesh mentioned has been amply kind of played out. If you look at the increase in ASP, that's over 11%. So then overall the revenue growth is actually higher and with that focus. And I think what is not odd, it’s pretty clear that the loyalty in the higher end of hotels is also higher, whereas the liquidity or the propensity to move away when there are discounts in the lower-end hotels we have seen to be higher. So this is part of that, but - I don't think anything which should be raising towards a trend going forward.

Gaurav Malhotra

Analyst

Okay. Just a follow-up on the seasonality and seasonally slow quarter. Last quarter adjusted for the -- adjustments you made as part of the accounting standard, your marketing and sales promotion was around $142 million in 1Q 2018, and this is slower quarter in 2Q. And if I make that same adjustment and it’s like $136 million. So I would have assumed that the marketing would have sort of come off little bit more, given that it is a seasonally slow quarter.

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

Yes, Gaurav, if you also look at it in tandem with the revenue growth, the revenue growth kind of continued to be strong as well. And to this point, revenue growth hasn't been in line of - in the 29% in line, but overall revenue growth is much higher.

Gaurav Malhotra

Analyst

Okay. And just last question on the overall competitiveness in this sector, if you can just give us some thoughts on how you’re seeing the likes of Paytm, OYO, booking.com?

Deep Kalra

Analyst

Yeah, sure, Gaurav. So, Gaurav, in the high-end segment, we definitely are seeing booking.com more so and I think there has been an increase I think in gradual but in a very measurable manner. We are seeing more of booking.com. Paytm we don't see much on the hotels side actually hardly at all, but very active on the ticketing side, air, bus as well as rail. And OYO, as you know have been active on the budget hotels sites and they have some variants out there, but essentially all in the budget still, and we are seeing them. The other brands are also there, but from a hotel point of view, we are largely seeing booking in the higher end and OYO in the lower end hotels as the main competitor. You see Yatra and Cleartrip a bit as well, but these would be the main brands.

Gaurav Malhotra

Analyst

And in terms of when you are seeing bookings getting more into the high-end hotels, does it - is it in terms of - are they giving higher discounts versus last business times? Or how are you seeing them getting more aggressive in the hotel space?

Deep Kalra

Analyst

Yes , not higher discounts, what we are largely seeing is a bigger spread of more inventory being offered, so more hotels added on some through the aggregators like OYO and that has increased inventory that bookings offering.

Gaurav Malhotra

Analyst

Okay. And is OYO after its recent funding has become more aggressive?

Deep Kalra

Analyst

Yes, I think they have been fairly aggressive this quarter. We have seen them to be fairly aggressive.

Gaurav Malhotra

Analyst

Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Parag Gupta from Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Parag Gupta

Analyst

Thank you, everyone. So I have a couple of questions maybe just sticking from the earlier point on competition, what I just want to understand from you, Deep, is that you know while booking maybe offering you rooms from the likes of OYO, I’m just trying to understand how does one perceive the booking.com brand in India. I mean do people think of booking.com for booking any type of hotels? Or do you think they primarily stand for four star and five star because that’s what they really stood for in the past? And do you see any massive difference in pricing, let’s say, of an OYO room on Booking website versus that on OYO website and does that really mean that people go to Booking to book an OYO room or do you think they’ll go more to an OYO to book that same OYO room. So I think that’s one point just to understand how Booking is looking at driving traffic by bringing in these new listings. The second question that I had is related to OYO. Could you help us understand how is your Value+ offering been targeted? I mean, do you see a reason for Value+ to increase a lot more dramatically to take on the competition from OYO? Or do you think budget is a space where while transactions could obviously add up, they may not really move the needle from the booking perspective and hence one needs to be more measured. So I just wanted to understand your views on Value+? And the third is on the sales and marketing spends. While you spend about $135 million, $136 million and I think you’ve tried to control your adjusted EBITDA losses, could you give us some sense of how does the sales and marketing spend break up into various segments, especially with respect to the one of the new segments that we are trying to grow, which may not have added to bookings or revenue in a big way but probably have resulted in higher sales and marketing spends. So just some sense on how to break that up into various segments? Thank you.

Deep Kalra

Analyst

Yes, sure, Parag. So let me take the first question. So Bookings and we have done a fair amount of customer research here. Booking is quite aggressive when it comes to SEM. So they are essentially the playbook as I think most of you are aware and they would be tying up keywords. So we will see them far more active in the five and four stars, but they are also in selective three stars which are popular hotels. At times, I think people could be booking right through with the Booking experience, which is smooth, but they would be very hard to estimate what percentage people would see OYO there and go away to OYO. But OYO from time to time, as we know, is offering aggressive discounting and cashbacks. So there would be a percentage of people who spoke of that. And that is precisely the divide that we are seeing between customers who are valuing experience versus price alone and we are seeing quite the same in our own customer base. And therefore, if you see all these efforts, whether it’s the loyalty programs, these are aimed at the more regular frequent user. And all the research that we are doing, we are seeing a very strong affinity towards brands and there are people who are quite happy to continue, despite knowing that there could be a coupon, et cetera, which is offered but not willing to go through the hassle. And the loyalty, inbuilt loyalty is now that more you do, that’s the more you want into your wallets, plus the convenience offered through free cancellations, et cetera. So bookings profile, I think they are fairly well known among the well-aided travelers, particularly those who travel internationally, and then there is an overlap between them as…

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

But as -- broadly I would say close to about 20%, 25% of the overall sales and marketing spend continues to be in the growing segments like the international air and also in the overall air bucket and then domestic bus segment. So these are two - we have two kind of - two or three key distinct growth opportunities that we have been calling out with the international air, international hotels and domestic bus. These typically kind of account for close to about 25% of share of the overall SNM spend.

Parag Gupta

Analyst

And could you give us a sense of how much would these be as a percentage of gross booking or net revenue, just to get a sense of what are the economics on this right now?

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

I don’t had some of these segments ready, but happy to kind of share that in a follow-up.

Parag Gupta

Analyst

Okay. Thank you, Mohit. Thank you, everyone

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Kevin Kopelman from Cowen & Company. Your line is open.

Kevin Kopelman

Analyst

Hi. Thanks a lot. Sorry about that. First, could you just give us an update on how you’re thinking about as you going forward growth in the air versus packages versus standalone hotel? And then I have a couple of more questions. Thanks.

Rajesh Magow

Analyst

Sure, let me just take this. Hi, Kevin, this is Rajesh here. So as far as air segment is concerned, as we have called out earlier also and we believe that’s going to continue on the back of overall market growth that is happening so that our growth is going to be either in line with the market growth or more as far as both the brands of the domestic air business is concerned. Our market share just to remind you and everyone else of the domestic air market about 23%, which is very healthy, and we kind of holding on to or incrementally improving. So that’s as far as air business is concerned for the domestic travel. For the international travel, we do think the growth rate is going to be higher and will continue to be higher, given the fact that we have more headroom in terms of right now international flight segment being underpenetrated from an online penetration standpoint, albeit at a slower pace, but the growth rate is going to be significantly higher that the domestic air segment. As far as packages business is concerned, the fact that a lot of the growth now is coming and also for the consumer behavior is changing definitely in the domestic hotel market or domestic leisure travel market to book a hotel’s ala carte, and therefore our growth focus segment is more domestic hotels and not necessarily packages. So packages, we are not going after growth as far as the bundled product is concerned, but as far as outbound market is concerned, which is travelling outside of India, there are focuses definitely on packages growth as well. And then given the fact that packages are distributed more offline through offline channel, whether it is called centers or we have…

Kevin Kopelman

Analyst

Okay, great. And then just a separate question on the kind of profit versus growth. As you guys are thinking about driving growth but maybe reducing discounting somewhat, can you help us think about free cash flow for this year? And also just specifically in Q2, it looks like the cash flow went up a little bit, is there -- can you help us think about seasonal elements versus what the trajectory looks like? Thanks.

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

Sure. I think that the - yes, the deployment of cash, the usage of cash also has certain deployment into working capital, which typically happens ahead of a peak season quarter, considering that the next quarter is a seasonally high travel quarter. So it is - it gives about $9 million getting deployed in the working capital, which also needs to be factored in. Other than that, if you really look at it in terms of cash and cash equivalents on the balance sheet, we have close to about $440 million on the balance sheet, a large part of which kind of continues to be in terms of free cash flows - free cash relating to our term deposits. So from a line of sight, to kind of being able to keep going at this bond rate, or albeit reducing bond rate as would have seen in Q2 versus Q1, and that is kind of a grading that we would like to continue in the coming quarters as well and do not really see a concern on the to fund books on these cash balances.

Kevin Kopelman

Analyst

Okay. And just one last question. Can you talk a little bit more about the new DoubleBLACK loyalty program? What you’re seeing for the initial reaction there? Do you have a timeline for growing that out more fully? And then are there any -- what are the kind of financial impacts we should be thinking about? Thanks.

Deep Kalra

Analyst

Yeah, sure, Kevin. So as mentioned in the script, it’s currently in the invite-only phase. We are tweeting the right model and we think now we have got about 15,000, 16,000 people already enrolled. It's a paid model. People have paid between INR 1,000 to INR 1,500, depending on at what point they joined. They get whole bunch of free calculation offers, which is the main premise of it, but then like we have said, you also get automatically added to MakeMyTrip BLACK, so that’s the more you spend with us, the more, once you accumulate, which go into the MakeMyTrip Wallet, which can be used for further budgeters. So early times, we are seeing higher repeat, but like I said, it's only in this quarter. So it's probably too early to extrapolate the trend out, but definitely high repeat, more encouragingly also seeing higher NPS. And we're talking to a lot of these consumers on a daily basis. The team is trying to understand further what we could be doing and what's really valued, and then the pricing I think also we will be probably tweaking it right. So you'll expect to - you can expect to see this during this quarter we actually go aggressively in promoting this. And right through the year, the next three or four quarters we can be acquiring customers. We see a lot of potential here. We see this to get into -- potentially this can become a very large part of the loyalty program for us and I think the closest parallel with the Amazon Prime for this. And because that’s what it was predicated on. We listened to a lot of consumers at the high end with the high frequency of travel and what they valued the most was actually the convenience, and what was one of the biggest returns was actually cancellation and the charges as very often weren’t aware what charges will be, et cetera. So we have tried to address most of those that will also be a better service out here at different lines et cetera. So I think we’ll be able to give you a better projection on how big this is going to go only a little down the line, but definitely something we are going to go forward with and grow.

Rajesh Magow

Analyst

Just maybe just one more point to add, I mean to your specific question on additional financial impact, no, actually we are not thinking this outside of our overall marketing spend or sales and promotions spend. It is going to be an in to safe play, and it is going to be a fundamental change of approach, if you will, rather than thinking that whatever we are spending, we are spending, whether it is on customer acquisition or on retention and this is going to be a new program and in new scheme with a new overall additional impact. That’s not how we’re continuing about this. This is fundamentally from an additional financial impact standpoint we are saying or any financial impact that we are saying is going to be well within the overall spend that we are already kind of doing. It’s just going to be inter-head kind of play, if you will.

Kevin Kopelman

Analyst

Okay, understood. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next comes from Manish Adukia from Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Manish Adukia

Analyst

Hi, good afternoon and thanks for taking my questions. A couple of very quick questions. Firstly, I think just on your bus bookings this quarter, there was a sharp decline versus the previous quarter. Just want to understand if there is element of seasonality even in the bus segment. That is the first one. Second one, and I’m sorry if I missed this earlier. On the AR net margins again, this quarter was rise versus the previous quarter continues to rise and I know that you’ve guided to 4 to 5% kind of margin so then we’ll have it long-term. Just want to understand if there is any particular one-off that you had this quarter or was it just like a normal course of increase that you saw. Thank you.

Deep Kalra

Analyst

Sure, I’ll take the first one and maybe you’ll get Mohit to answer the second one. Yeah you’re right, I mean as compared to the first quarter you would have seeing bus bookings at a relatively lower growth rate, but yes, there is seasonality even in the right business as well and the bus business as well. But you know despite the seasonality, the growth rate is close to 50%, which is fairly good and you know well within our kind of Internal plans as well. So and the reason for that is seasonality and nothing else.

Manish Adukia

Analyst

Sure. Manish, I just ask to the repeat the…

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

Manish, I just ask to the repeat the…

Deep Kalra

Analyst

Air margin slightly increase.

Mohit Kabra

Analyst

Generally kind of see margins across segments slightly better and low travel season quarter and we have to think that you know the gross booking values that are depressed compared to what they are in future. And therefore, optically the margins really better. So this is more like an optical improvement due to seasonality.

Manish Adukia

Analyst

Yeah, perfect. That makes sense. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, and I am showing no further questions from our phone lines. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Jonathan Huang for any closing remarks.

Jonathan Huang

Analyst

Thank you, everyone, for joining our call today. We certainly look forward to speaking to you very soon. And that concludes our call.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today’s conference. This does conclude the program, and you may all disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.