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MSA Safety Incorporated (MSA)

Q1 2008 Earnings Call· Mon, May 19, 2008

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the MSA First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a Question and Answer Session. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Mark C. Deasy.

Mark Deasy

Management

Thank you, Jaime. Good morning everybody and welcome to our first quarter earnings conference call for 2008. As Jaime said, I’m Mark Deasy, Communications Director, and with me today are John Ryan III, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Dennis Zeitler, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Bill Lambert, President and Chief Operating Officer; Joe Bigler, President of MSA North America; and joining us for your conference call from Berlin is Rod Cañizares, Executive Vice President and President of MSA International. Our first quarter earnings release was issued this morning at 8:30. We hope everyone had an opportunity to review it. If you haven’t seen it, the release is posted on the home page of the MSA website. As some of you know, today’s teleconference marks the last quarterly call in which John Ryan will participate as MSA’s CEO. John will retire at the end of June and will officially turn over CEO responsibilities to Bill Lambert on May 13th as part of a planned management succession. As such, we’re going to do things a little bit differently this morning. We will begin the call with Bill Lambert, who will provide commentary on our first quarter. Bill will be followed by Dennis, who will review our financials. And after Dennis, John would like to offer some parting thought as he heads towards this next and very deserving days of his life. After John’s remarks we will then open up the call to questions and plan to adjourn by about 11:00. At this point, I would like to remind everyone that the matters discussed on this call, with the exception of historical information, our forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 as amended as Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 as amended. Forward-looking statements, including without limitation, of projections in anticipated levels of future performance involve risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause our actual results to differ materially from those discussed here. These risks, uncertainties and other factors are detailed from time to time in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our most recent Form 10-K which was filed on February 29th. We strongly urge you to review all such filings for a more detailed discussion of such risks and uncertainties. Our SEC filings can be easily obtained at no charge at www.sec.gov, our own website, and a number of other commercial websites. That conclude our forward-looking statements at this point. I will turn the call over to Bill Lambert for his comments on our first quarter.

William M. Lambert

Management

Thank you very much, Mark, and good morning everyone. I would like to thank all of you for joining us today and I also want to congratulate John on his upcoming retirement. To say it’s well deserved would be an understatement. Over the last 17 years while John Ryan has been MSA’s CEO and through his determined leadership, MSA has transformed itself and has grown impressively. We’ve expanded our footprint globally. We are in new markets. Our consolidated sales have nearly doubled and our annual earnings have nearly quadrupled over his tenure. And John has led the company to achieve consistent record results over the past several years. He has helped this company navigate through very tough periods that admittedly were challenging to the company. And through it all, John Ryan has maintained the character, integrity and essence of this company and all that MSA has stood for for over nine decades. Well done, John, and congratulations on your upcoming retirement. As I move into my new role, the one thing I certainly hope to do as well as John is to follow his lead in terms of how MSA has been led, with great integrity and a personal commitment to the health and safety of all those who depend on our products to protect them and to our shareholders. As Mark indicated, John will very shortly share with us some parting words and thoughts. So let us now move on to review the company’s performance during the first quarter. Presumably, all of you have seen our earnings release and have our financial figures with all comparisons being with the improvement period in 2007. Overall, we were very pleased with our first quarter operating performance. Our consolidated sales increased a very healthy 18%. And on the strength of these sales…

Dennis Zeitler

Management

Thank you, Bill. Good morning, everyone. I would like to give you some further insight into our first quarter performance and comment on the balance sheet and cash flow statements. Additional information will be available later today when we file our Form 10Q with the Securities and Exchange Commission. As Bill mentioned, sales in the first quarter of 2008 were a record $266 million, compared in the first quarter of 2007. Sales increased 18% with strong growth in both our North American and International segments. North American sales are up 19%, led by a 48% uncrease in the United States Fire Service sales and a 20% increase in the United States military sales. The remainder of our North American sales grew 10% Our International sales grew 19% this quarter, across a broad range of our products and market and our European sales are up 14% from the same quarter last year. But that is solely due to the stronger Euro. Our global sales were also higher in each of our three market categories: the core industrial market, which is approximately 57% of our total sales is up 7% this quarter. Our service is up 37% and military is up 33%. The other view of our sales performance is to separate the two most volatile segments, US Fire Service and Us Military from everything else. As I already mentioned, our US Fire Service sales of $40 million, is an increase of 48% and as US Military sales of $19 million are up 20%. Then when we look at all of our other globally diversified sales that comprise 78% of our total sales this quarter. These sales from 13%. Our expectations for SCBA sales in 2008 continue to be good as well as for military sales. We also expect to make up…

John T. Ryan III

Management

Thanks very much, Bill and Dennis. At moments like this, I keep in the mind the words of Adlai Stevenson. Praise is fine, as long as, you don’t inhale. To conclude, we have a really good quarter in incoming orders. Our European invoicing is disappointing but into the last couple of years we feel that we will catch up in our invoicing in Europe by year end. Our income from operations were strong, up by 25%. However, we lost a profit gain for the quarter due to these non-operational areas: foreign exchange, restructuring and taxes, which have been discussed. As you know from many of these previous calls, I have felt that our US breathing apparatus in Fire Service sales would improve to a very fast factory level for reasons I’ve long expressed. Using some poetic license here, I could say that I felt I had to keep working and I couldn’t retire until we would realize this expectation. Happily, we achieved three straight months of strong US and North American Fire Service income in January, February and March. And so I can now go away for the summer and retire. As previously announced, I will retire as active employee and CEO of the company in a few weeks. I do plan to maintain my life-long deep interest in this organization. I will do so at the Board level and at the shareholder level. I was extremely well instructed on how to fulfill my new relationship with the company by the role model set by my father and his associate, Jane Mary, after they retired as CEOs. It’s like transitioning from being a parent to a grandparent. You have great interest but you express it in different ways. At any company, there can be only one boss and that will…

Mark C. Deasy

Management

Thank you, John. That concludes our formal comments. At this point, John Ryan, Bill Lambert, Rob Cañizares, Joe Bigler and I are more than glad to answer whatever questions you may have. Please remember that MSA did not give what’s referred to the guidance and since most discussions related to our expectations for future details and earnings. As I said that, we’ll now open the call for your questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the Question and Answer Session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Richard Ethan from Robert W. Baird.

Richard Ethan - Robert W. Baird

Analyst

Could you talk for a minute or two about your confidence level in your ability to clear the backlog in Europe as the year unfolds? And I guess part of your question is is that within your control? In other words, you have some of these chemical supply issues, is it in your ability to clear that backlog for the balance of the year?

William M. Lambert

Management

Hi Rick. Sure, I think it is within our control. We have these issues with this one particular supplier and I think that I can very confidently say that the issues that we experienced in the fourth quarter and into the first quarter of this year are behind us and that that supplier has made necessary improvements. We’ll be making further improvements. And certainly over the balance of this year, I would expect that we would be able to clear the back order, at least any back order that’s associated with problems that we’re aware of right now. So, I feel very confident that we’ll be able to do that.

Richard Ethan - Robert W. Baird

Analyst

Then just quickly into the US Fire Service for a minute then the AFG program, we’re obviously seeing some of the ’07 dollars now getting into the marketplace and I presume that will continue into June and even September. But how do you feel about the ’08 application process and perhaps—just the confusion that’s been in the marketplace, has that cleared up and will those dollars potentially at least get to the marketplace in a more regular fashion here?

William M. Lambert

Management

Let me answer that and then I’ll ask Joe Bigler to add a little bit of color to it as well since he knows that market extremely well. You’re right. I think the 2007 monies are working their way into the market nicely now and certainly we saw some pretty strong performance in the first quarter due to that. The 2008 AFG monies have been a little bit confusing. We’ve talked about that at the last Investor’s Conference Call and there is this issue of downward price pressure because the AFG is looking to cap the amount of money for new SCBA at $5,000 a piece. So, we’ve had to wrestle with that. We’ve also had to wrestle with trying to clear up some of the confusion that might exist with regards to applications and what’s permitted, what’s not permitted. And I guess the third issue here is the idea that the AFG is trying to spread the money to as many fire departments as possible. And so that then also has a bit of an effect on some of the fire departments that are larger and have really relied upon AFG funding in the past. Is it still confusing out there? Perhaps a little bit but I think it’s working its way out. I think the bigger issues right now is the issue of the $5,000 cap from the AFG on SCBA purchases and what that’s doing from a dollar pressure price standpoint for all the competitors. Nearly all the competitors have the necessary approvals which really hindered evaluations in the fourth quarter last year. So, broadly the competitive landscape now is quite full and so in many cases, we’re able to go head to head against competing brands for the SCBA through fire ground evaluations and fire departments have been able to make their decisions without any kind of a delay in waiting to test their trial a unit from a competing brand. Joe, I’ll ask you if you want to add anything to that.

Joseph A. Bigler

Analyst

Yes, not a whole lot but I think you summarized it well. I think going back, Rick, to your first question in terms of 2007, there’s been a couple of surveys done in 2007 AFG monies, probably about 20 times or 15% {33:08} of that money has already been spent and purchased in the first quarter. So you probably have about half of that 2007 money will be spent probably throughout the second and third quarter. So we expect continued good growth in that market. As far as the 2008 money, what we’re hearing is that the release of that money hopefully will occur in that July/August timeframe and things seem to be somewhat on track. And although there is a lot of confusion out there, I think there are a lot of seminars going on, there’s a lot of discussions going on, there’s a lot of individual meetings going on, and I think a lot of the confusion is really getting cleared up. And departments of the agencies are starting to understand what needs to be done and the process that the smaller departments probably getting a bigger share of the money but more grants on what the focus is going to be. So I think a lot of those questions are clearing up and we expect and hope that the money will begin flowing in that July/August timeframe.

Richard Ethan - Robert W. Baird

Analyst

Do you closely track market share gains? Is there a metric that you look at other than just sales grow better than competitors perhaps, but just some kind of a department wind metric or something like that? Can you document the fact that you’ve been gaining shares by department?

Joseph A. Bigler

Analyst

Yes. We have in a good year build a giant mentioned in the previous comments. We have a gain share program that has been quite successful and we track the AFG money. We tried to track how many breathing apparatus are being purchased by various departments and keep pretty accurate count as far as all the departments within the United States as well as Canada; the number of SCBA helmets, thermal imaging cameras that they have, whose they’re using, when they’re going to replace it, have they replaced it. So we have a pretty good handle in municipal fire departments and what’s our bearing, what’s being evaluated and what’s coming.

Richard Ethan - Robert W. Baird

Analyst

Okay, and just a last question and I’ll drop off here. Are we either shipping or getting ready to ship on the AF SCBA contracts?

William M. Lambert

Management

Yes, in fact, we did not have any shipments during the first quarter. We actively began shipping this week, in fact, yesterday against the Air Force contracts.

Richard Ethan - Robert W. Baird

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Brian Ruttenbur from Morgan Keegan.

Brian Ruttenbur - Morgan Keegan

Analyst

Thank you very much. First question I have is about, kind of going forward, second quarter it looks like, at least what you’re saying, as I understand is North American because the firefighter grant could be a little bit weaker from first quarter. Is that correct?

Joseph A. Bigler

Analyst

I don’t know that I would say that necessarily. I don’t think that we’ve given you that indication but as you know we don’t really provide guidance or looking forward to any great degree. But I wouldn’t necessarily say that the second quarter has to be weaker because of AFG monies so I’m not sure how you ended with that conclusion, Brian.

Brian Ruttenbur - Morgan Keegan

Analyst

Okay, then how about Europe is going to be stronger in the second quarter than the first quarter?

Joseph A. Bigler

Analyst

Yes, I would say that’s a good expectation based on the fact that the first quarter was struggle from a production standpoint to get the shipments out the door that we had the orders for.

Brian Ruttenbur - Morgan Keegan

Analyst

Okay and then gross margin, is there any reason that you shouldn’t be maintaining, with all the changes you’re making, a 40% gross margin?

William M. Lambert

Management

We’re getting too close to guidance now.

Brian Ruttenbur - Morgan Keegan

Analyst

I’m working it. I’m working it. How about I go down to the next line item then since I was stopped on that. SG&A was up dramatically in the first quarter from the fourth quarter. That $66 million, is there any one-time items in there or should we assume that’s kind of going forward? Or did you throw John Ryan one heck of a party that I wasn’t invited to?

William M. Lambert

Management

The only thing that’s in the first quarter that won’t be in the following quarter is the stock compensation. It’s a little bit of a bump in executive compensation in the first quarter and that’s the only thing that I can think of.

Joseph A. Bigler

Analyst

It’s always, of course, you’ve got the continuing strength of the euro which gives you sales on one side and help on progress because it makes your SG&A look better.

Brian Ruttenbur - Morgan Keegan

Analyst

Okay, very good. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Brian Butler from FBR.

Brian Butler - Friedman, Billings, Ramsey Group, Inc.

Analyst

Good morning, guys. Just wanted to congratulate John on your tenure. Hope you’re going to be enjoying your retirement.

John T. Ryan III

Management

Okay, thanks very much.

Brian Butler - Friedman, Billings, Ramsey Group, Inc.

Analyst

And then question-wise, I guess I’ll ask a margin question maybe a different way. When you work through the backlog on the European side of the business, is that going to be a head win margin in the second quarter?

William M. Lambert

Management

Generally, our margins, I think you can see it in the same with data, our margins were actually higher in Europe as they are North America. You can’t see that in the segment information but we actually a large dollar amount of our sales in Europe is still whole direct.

Brian Butler - Friedman, Billings, Ramsey Group, Inc.

Analyst

I guess I just wanted to make sure this isn’t going to get fire sales, that backlog, if you work it out.

William M. Lambert

Management

No, not at all. Roberto Cañizares:

Brian Butler - Friedman, Billings, Ramsey Group, Inc.

Analyst

Okay and then on the military side, can you kind of talk about again your opportunities. Have they changed since the fourth quarter specifically I guess on the body on the side on the world? Are there anything else occurring in that environment that you can provide a little bit more color on? Roberto Cañizares: Well, there’s a number of opportunities as you’re probably aware of, Brian. Just kind of really going through them, first of all we have on the Plate business, the Armor Plate business; you have the E-SAPI and X-SAPI contracts. Those are $100 million contracts over a five year period. The E-SAPI and X-SAPI was really due back in February. Then were submitted and now going through evaluation by the government donned at Aberdeen as they get their new laboratory set up. At one time, we thought contractors would hear the results of that in August. Now we hear that that may be moved up in June. So, that certainly is a very big contract that we believe hopefully we’ll be participating in and should hear something geared in that timeframe between May and August. If you look at the Outer Tactical Vests and the Improved Outer Tactical Vests, we refer to as the OTV and IOTV, there’s another big contract that was really due just couple of weeks ago for the IOTV. That again is very significant. That’s about $40 million over a few year period, involving about 75,000 OTVs. We’re participating in that. That bid was actually submitted. There actually is another bid that DLCP is putting out, another 75,000 OTVs. That is coming up here in May so we are getting ready for that. The Advanced Combat Helmet would be the next area. And if you look at the Advanced Combat Helmet, DLCP…

Brian Butler - Friedman, Billings, Ramsey Group, Inc.

Analyst

Thanks. That’s very helpful. One last question: On the E-SAPI, do you guys actually manufacture the ceramic plate or you’re getting that from somewhere?

William M. Lambert

Management

We don’t manufacture the raw ceramic plate. We take the plate from various suppliers and we lay it up with the other advanced ceramic fiber materials and laminate it and we do the assembly fabrication. We do not have the raw ceramic plate capability.

Brian Butler - Friedman, Billings, Ramsey Group, Inc.

Analyst

Okay, thank you very much guys.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Ray Culter from Great Lakes Review. Ray Culter – Great Lakes Review: Good morning and thank you for taking my questions. I think on the last call you talked about the approval for the upgrade kit and just wondering if you could give us an update there regarding the SCBA.

William M. Lambert

Management

We do not have approvals of the upgrade kits. None of the manufacturers do. The approval agencies have focused on the SCBA assemblies to this point in time but we are pursuing that avenue and we would hope that over the coming quarters, and again we don’t know how much time it would take at the approval agencies, but we are pursuing that avenue. And over the coming quarters, we would expect to have upgrade kits that would allow users of SCBA that were purchased over the past couple of years to meet the latest standards of the NFPA SCBA requirements. Ray Culter – Great Lakes Review: Okay and I know you made comments about the thermal imaging cameras being up year over year, and fire helmets. You have the same figures on year over year basis for SCBA as well as head protection?

William M. Lambert

Management

Head protection, hard hats head protection, is up about $1.6 million. Ray Culter – Great Lakes Review: In percentage terms, I mean.

William M. Lambert

Management

Percentage terms…I don’t have that handy.

John T. Ryan III

Management

That’s doing well. It’s the only way to do it. I mean, Bill gave you numbers and just comments about hammers and helmets of a total of about $3 million and I’d say Fire Services sales are up $40 million. So that’s a $37 million increase in SCBA. That’s the three products that make up our Fire Services. Ray Culter – Great Lakes Review: All right and relative to the Sherry purchase, anything occur in the quarter?

William M. Lambert

Management

No. Ray Culter – Great Lakes Review: You still have an active program though, correct?

William M. Lambert

Management

Relative to the shortages of the key chemical over in Europe, and I know you said you’re using one supplier, is there additional suppliers available or an alternative chemical that could be used?

William M. Lambert

Management

There is not. There are alternate suppliers of this chemical on a global basis. Less than a handful but we have evaluated those other suppliers in the past. We have found this supplier to provide the highest quality, most consistent quality that we want to use in our device and we just think that it’s a matter of them and us working together to work them through the production issues that they have. And as I said in my comments, there was nothing here that I see as any more than temporary and temporary impediment and I fully expect us to work through these issues with the supplier. Focus a little bit longer to address all of the issues, but I think we have and it’ s my understanding that the supplier’s making good process in meeting our needs now. It’s just a matter of us getting every thing that we need, converting it in our factories and getting the professional products out the door. Ray Culter – Great Lakes Review: Great and I presume that commentary applies to the other areas where you had delays as well.

William M. Lambert

Management

That’s correct. Ray Culter – Great Lakes Review: And that’s a different product and/or product?

William M. Lambert

Management

That’s correct. Ray Culter – Great Lakes Review: And Dennis, I know the tax rate 39% versus 35%. Do you expect it to remain at that type of level throughout the year?

Dennis L. Zeitler

Analyst

No. As I mentioned, most of that should come back to us except for that one-time German tax thing so typically, I think we indicated a target tax rate of 33-34% for the year. So it’s probably going to be a little bit higher than that just because of the one-time item that processed about $430,000. Ray Culter – Great Lakes Review: So maybe 34-35%?

Dennis L. Zeitler

Analyst

Good ballpark. Yes, assuming that they renewed the R&D tax credit sometime this year. Last time, it was like last quarter in December or something. Ray Culter – Great Lakes Review: And Bill, you had mentioned that your capital spending would be higher than ’07. Do you care to venture on a dollar amount or a range for ’08?

William M. Lambert

Management

Yes, I think Dennis.

Dennis L. Zeitler

Analyst

I think I gave that number at some point. We’re actually looking at it. In ’08, it’s something like $40 million in cap ex this year. Ray Culter – Great Lakes Review: And would you expect that to come down in ’09?

Dennis L. Zeitler

Analyst

Yes, not down as low as it has been in the past but probably something like right now the ballpark of $30 million in ’09 and then back down after that, as far as I can see right now, down in the mid $20 million. Ray Culter – Great Lakes Review: Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Edward Marshall, [? Fedaddi ?] and Company. Edward Marshall – Fedaddi and Company: Good morning, gentlemen. Look like the military sales look pretty good. We know those tend to be lumpy from time to time and I’m just curious if there was a push out or pull forward from one of the previous quarters or the second quarter here? Just kind of how do we look at that?

William M. Lambert

Management

Really, I don’t think that there is some, looking at Joe Bigler as well here, but I don’t think that there was any kind of a pull forward by any stretch. This was against awards that we had received and against the shipment schedules that we have.

Joseph A. Bigler

Analyst

That’s correct. Edward Marshall – Fedaddi and Company: Okay and just a couple of technical questions, I guess, the restructuring charge $1 million. What was the after-tax impact?

Dennis L. Zeitler

Analyst

$600,000. Edward Marshall – Fedaddi and Company: And it looks like the currency loss expected to reimburse itself somewhere throughout the year, that $2 million reversal that you saw that happened in April, is that assuming that that’s a pre-tax benefit at this point?

Dennis L. Zeitler

Analyst

That’s the after-tax. That’s comparable to the $3 million after-tax loss. So in April, we had a $2 million after-tax gain. Edward Marshall – Fedaddi and Company: Do we have a share count of the year for the quarter? I know that’ll be out this afternoon but—

William M. Lambert

Management

Shouldn’t be much different. I don’t think it would’ve changed much during the quarter but maybe Dennis has that—

Dennis L. Zeitler

Analyst

Yes, average basic shares outstanding $35, 540,000. Diluted $36,000,021. Edward Marshall – Fedaddi and Company: Good. Thank you guys very much.

Operator

Operator

Our last question comes from Walt Liptak from Barrington Research. Walt Liptak – Barrington Research: Thanks. Good morning, everyone, and good morning, John. Congratulations on your leaving a legacy of safety.

John T. Ryan III

Management

Thank you very much. Walt Liptak – Barrington Research: I just want to go over these one more time. With the Fire Services, you said that was 48%?

Dennis L. Zeitler

Analyst

US Fire Services. Walt Liptak – Barrington Research: How much were up 21%? I’m trying to get how much SCBA were up year over year?

William M. Lambert

Management

A lot. I have the number right here. The fire helmets, Walt, are you asking for? Walt Liptak – Barrington Research: Yes, all three of them, Thermal Imaging Cameras, Helmets, SCBAs.

William M. Lambert

Management

Right. In my commentary, I provided that to you. The fire helmets are up 21% from a year ago and the North American Thermal Imaging Cameras are up 76% from a year ago. Walt Liptak – Barrington Research: Okay, how much are SCBAs up?

William M. Lambert

Management

SCBAs in North America were up 55%. Walt Liptak – Barrington Research: How much is the advantage price and how much is volume?

William M. Lambert

Management

Joe, I’ll give that to you.

Joseph A. Bigler

Analyst

We have none.

William M. Lambert

Management

Price is probably in the range of, as what’s said in previously calls, probably in that range of 12-15%.

Joseph A. Bigler

Analyst

It’s primarily in SCBA though, not fire helmets and imaging cameras. There weren’t those kinds of changes in pricing to fire helmets and thermal imaging cameras.

William M. Lambert

Management

Because the standards didn’t change. You were asking about SCBA? Walt Liptak – Barrington Research: Yes, you took prices out for the new SCBAs. They’re more expensive because of NSPA standards but it looks like your volumes are up 30-40% year over year, which is quite a bit better than anyone your competition which are showing flat volumes. I have a question about SCBA backlog. Did you build backlog in SCBA that you’ll ship in the next quarter or two?

William M. Lambert

Management

Well, the primary backlog that we have is related to the US Air Force contract and we added some modest amount of backlog on the commercial side for municipal fire departments but not a lot. Is that correct, Joe?

Joseph A. Bigler

Analyst

Yes, there is some, the commercial verge of the M7, we have a inflammatory version of that and we have some backlog of that. It should take off on the Air Force unit so there’s some obviously backlog on the Air Force and there’s some backlog on the inflammatory version of our M7 that’s going to municipal fire departments that we built during the first quarter. Walt Liptak – Barrington Research: And there’s no delays in shipping the Firehawk that you book and ship at this point?

Joseph A. Bigler

Analyst

Absolutely not. It was one of the significant accomplishments that’s really been accomplished over the last three to four months, is getting ourselves into excellent serial production of the M7. Walt Liptak – Barrington Research: This $5,000 limit for SCBA, the fire grant, they said that they’ve taken care of that right away, that the fire departments has to go on and get three bids and then they provide the difference between the lowest bids and the $5,000, and that there shouldn’t be any confusion out there. Are you saying that there’s something that’s changed and they’ve taken that out?

Joseph A. Bigler

Analyst

No, what I’m saying is there’s still some confusion out there but as I mentioned before while [inaudible] getting itself cleared up. There’s a lot of conversation. If you submit the three bids, there are ways you can get additional dollars. So that really is beginning to clarify itself. Walt Liptak – Barrington Research: Okay and Dennis, the gain that you’re talking about, the $2 million after-tax in April, we’re going to have trouble all year trying to deal with the foreign currency issue. How should we think of it for the full year, especially with the dollar strengthening a little bit off the bottom.

Dennis L. Zeitler

Analyst

I don’t know. I would hope that it works itself out over the year. I think the impact that it had on the first quarter was so significant that we may need to pull back a little bit on our long-term strategy and do just a little bit more hedging so not quite quarter to quarter. We’ll try to minimize that volatility without giving up. It cost a lot of money to hedge an entire portfolio and that’s why banks get rich. I really don’t like to do that. Walt Liptak – Barrington Research: Right. Well, it looks like this is reversing right now.

Dennis L. Zeitler

Analyst

Right and if I start hedging now, opportunities going to be lost. Walt Liptak – Barrington Research: Right because you could make up that $0.11 or whatever the approximation is of the gain in the second quarter and maybe even more if the dollar keeps strengthening.

Dennis L. Zeitler

Analyst

That’s totally right. Walt Liptak – Barrington Research: Okay. Great quarter. Congratulations, guys. Thank you to North American Fire Service.

Operator

Operator

There’s no further questions.

Mark C. Deasy

Management

Okay, thank you Jaime. Just like to once again, thank everybody for joining us today. We do appreciate your interest in the company and on behalf of John, for one last time, as well as Dennis, Bill, Joe and Rob, we look forward to talking with everybody again soon and hope everybody has a great day. Thank you.