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Madison Square Garden Sports Corp. (MSGS)

Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Fri, May 1, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Christie and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time I would like to welcome everyone to The Madison Square Garden Company Fiscal Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Ari Danes, Vice President of Investor Relations for The Madison Square Garden Company. Please go ahead, sir.

Ari Danes

Analyst · Stifel

Thank you, Christie. Good morning and welcome to The Madison Square Garden Company's fiscal 2015 third quarter earnings conference call. Our Executive Chairman, Jim Dolan will begin this morning's call with a discussion of some of the company's recent highlights. This will be followed by a review of our financial results with Sean Creamer, our EVP and Chief Financial Officer. Our Vice Chairman, Gregg Seibert will then provide an update on the company's plan spin-off. After our prepared remarks we will open up the call for questions. If you do not have a copy of today's earnings release it is available on the Investors section of our website at themadisonsquaregardencompany.com. Please take note of the following. Today's discussion may contain statements that constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Investors are cautioned that any such forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance or results and involve risks and uncertainties, and that actual results, developments and events may differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements as a result of various factors. These include financial community perceptions of the company and its business, operations, financial conditions and the industry in which it operates, and the factors described in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the sections entitled Risk Factors and management's discussion and analysis of financial condition and results of operations contained therein. The company disclaims any obligation to update any forward-looking statements that may be discussed during this call. Let me point out that on Page 4 of today's earnings release, we provide consolidated statements of operations and a reconciliation of adjusted operating cash flow or AOCF, to operating income. I would now like to introduce Jim Dolan, Executive Chairman of the Madison Square Garden Company.

Jim Dolan

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Thank you, Ari and good morning. Our company delivered solid overall results in our fiscal third quarter with total revenue of $449 million and consolidated AOCF of $100 million. These results underscore the continued robust demand from our customers and partners for our portfolio of media sports and entertainment brands and assets. We're pleased with our execution so far this year, we remain focused on ensuring that our company and its assets are well positioned for long-term success and growth. Now with this in mind, we are pursuing a tax-free a spin-off of our sports and entertainment business from our media business. We believe this separation will further enhance the long-term value creation potential of both businesses by providing each company with increased strategic flexibility to pursue its own distinct business plan. In addition, it will enable each company to have a capital structure and capital return policy that is appropriate for its business. Assuming all closing conditions are met, we currently expect to complete this transaction during calendar 2015. Gregg will have more to add to this later. Turning now to MSG Sports. The Rangers led by Glen Sather and Allen Vigneault have followed up last season's Eastern Conference Championship by capturing their First President's Trophy since 1994, were the league's best season in record. Rangers have now made the playoffs nine in the last 10 years and after defeating the Pittsburgh Penguins in an exciting first round playoffs. This series started their second round against the Islanders-Washington Capital's last night. During a disappointing Knick season, we are confident in the team's outlook given its leadership. With Phil Jackson, Steve Mills and Derek Fisher and our salary cap flexibility as well as the return of a healthy Carmelo Anthony. The Liberty led by Tina Charles and newly acquired guard…

Sean Creamer

Analyst · Guggenheim

Thanks, Jim and good morning, everyone. Before I get into the quarter's results. I want to start by saying it's been a pleasure working with the talented team here at MSG. The company has a extraordinary collection of assets and brands and is on exciting path. With the Form 10 filed and our quarterly results announced. It's an appropriate time for me to move on and provide the company sufficient time to conduct the search for my successor. I want to thank Jim for this incredible experience. I also want to thank my colleagues and team. It's been a privilege working with them, the company is good hands and I wish everyone, the very best. Turning to our financial results, let me provide some more detail and color on the quarter and then I'll turn it over to Gregg. As Jim noted for our fiscal third quarter, we generated $449.4 million in revenue. While this represents a decrease of 2% on a reported basis, the total company revenue increased year-over-year after adjusting for the impact of the sale of Fuse.. On a reported basis, consolidated AOCF of $104 million increased 53% year-over-year. MSG Media generated $169 million in revenue, a decrease of 11% which reflects the absence of Fuse offset to some extent by revenue growth at MSG Networks. The affiliation fee revenue decreased $13.4 million due again to the absence of affiliation fee revenue for Fuse. Partially offset by a small increase in affiliation fee revenue at MSG Networks. The affiliation fee revenue increased at MSG Networks was mainly the result of higher affiliation rates partially offset by the impact of low single-digit percentage decrease in subscribers versus the prior year period. Advertising revenue decreased $9.4 million due to the absence of advertising revenue for Fuse and to a…

Gregg Seibert

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Thanks, Sean and good morning. As Jim noted, we continue to move forward with our plans for a tax-free spin-off of our sports and entertainment businesses to the company's shareholders. We believe the separation of these businesses from our media business will provide each company with increased flexibility to pursue its own strategic objectives and business plan. We also expect the spin-off enhanced long-term shareholder value and enable investors to more clearly evaluate each company's unique set of assets on opportunities. Well we've made significant progress, we have a number of critical steps to complete before the spin-off can take place. Among these steps are finalizing the terms of long-term local media rights agreements between the two companies and determining the appropriate capital structures for both companies. We presently expect, that the media company will make a significant cash contribution to the sports and entertainment company prior to completion of the spin-off. We anticipate that any contribution would be funded primarily through new primarily through new borrowings of the media company. This cash contribution will support the sports and entertainment company's business operations as well as provide capital for the pursuit of potential new growth opportunities and return of capital to the company's shareholders. The spin-off is subject of various conditions including effectiveness of the Form 10 registration statement. Receipt of a tax opinion, completion of the contemplated debt financing at the media company and certain approvals and consents including approval by the MSG Board of Directors. Assuming these conditions are met, we expect to complete the spin-off this calendar year. Let me now turn the call back over to Ari.

Ari Danes

Analyst · Stifel

Thanks, Gregg. Christie, we're ready to open the call for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] your first question comes from Ryan Fiftal of Morgan Stanley

Ryan Fiftal

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

I have two questions on the separation for Jim and Gregg. First, I guess now that the board has official decided on the structure. Maybe it would help, if you guys could maybe walk through the progression on your thinking and why splitting off sports and entertainment was ultimately the better structure compared to the first plan that was proposed, which was just to carve out entertainment?

Gregg Seibert

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

And the second question?

Ryan Fiftal

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

The second question would be, anymore color you can provide on the right capital structure for each of the business. It seems like you're planning to lever up media, so any thoughts on appropriate capital structure and then also, any more color on potential uses of capital. Gregg, I think you mentioned both potentially growth opportunities and return of capital or sports and entertainment. So any color on that, I'm thinking that would be great?

Gregg Seibert

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

This sounds good. As far as the structure is concerned and you know the board evaluated a significant number of structures here including one which separate the sports teams from the arena. This structure in terms of creating a pure play regional sports network and keeping the teams in the physical facility together is both the best structure for the company in the board's opinion and in management's opinion and it also has, it also has the simplicity from a tax perspective of given the fact that we're spinning. Technically sports and entertainment, it enables us to pay the distribution from the regional sports network business over to sports and entertainment with a minimum of adverse tax consequences. Where if we had, looked at this the other way around the tax treatment would have been different? In terms of the capital structure, there are couple of things that I think are really critical here to the thought process and I'd like to sort of refer you back to the AMC spin-off which Cablevision under took several years. It was a spin-off that supported roughly 5 times, actually 5.4 times that this AOCF in terms of leverage. The business was able to support that type of leverage because it is the same type of cash flow characteristics that the RSN business has. Number one, steady and stable growth. Number two, very high cash flow generation and so the ability to be able to deleverage rapidly. So I'm not guiding anybody toward a specific leverage level. So don't take the 5.4 times and extrapolate that to this transaction, that ultimate level will be determined by the Board of Directors based upon market conditions and strategic objectives for the two companies just prior to financing taken place. But I think that's a very good model to look at. So the regional sports network can provide the capital necessary for the sports and entertainment business number one, operate its businesses in an efficient manner. Number two, it provides growth capital for the sports and entertainment business to pursue its strategic vision and number three, it provides a very good opportunity for additional return of capital to shareholders. As Sean mentioned in his remarks, we've already returned a significant amount of capital to shareholders. We intend to continue with that program and this structure will enable us to do so in an efficient manner.

Ryan Fiftal

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Very helpful, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Bryan Goldberg of Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Bryan Goldberg

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

I guess, I've got one on the growth strategy and one on the spin. So I guess, first of Jim. As the architect of MSG's relationship with Irving Azoff, I was hoping if you could share your current views on Azoff, MSG's Entertainments growth potential and the opportunities the JV creates for MSG shareholders over the medium to long-term and then secondly for Gregg. Can you help ups think about the process you're using to determine or the puts and takes at least in determining the value of the local TV rights under the new contract. And I guess, will you be looking at comparable markets to do this or perhaps shopping the rights to see what the New York market can support or are there other considerations and then if you could just confirm whether or not the leagues would have to approve what you ultimately arrive at?

Gregg Seibert

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

You want to go first, Jim?

Jim Dolan

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Sure. The Azoff MSG. Well, we continue to remain pleased with the partnership, when you look at that partnership I guess sort of the building block of the partnership is the management business, the artist management business. I would, mention to say that there is no better company out there doing artist management in regards particularly to music artist management and the Azoff Group. So that remains to sort of foundation of the business and by itself that is extremely value and could support the investment that we made just there. But from there, you can then take a look at the growth that Azoff MSG has been pursuing particularly in a business called Global Music Rights that is essentially is out competing with ASCAP and BMI and attempting to change the formula, by which artists are rewarded for their work. They're making a great deal of progress there. They have been warmly welcomed by the artist community and have been very successful in signing artist to GMR and we anticipate that this is going to be a very valuable business for us. And beyond that, the investment that Azoff MSG has made in the Levity Group has been, is also looks extremely promising there is a lot of group opportunity and so, I would say those are three. There are other businesses that Azoff MSG are involved with, but those would be the three key ones and all three of them look good and we're quite pleased with them.

Gregg Seibert

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

And in terms of rights agreement. I don't have any specifics to add on that agreement today. What I can say is that, we will put in place a fair market agreement the same as we would put in place with, sort of an arm's length agreement. We're actually going to be required to do that, as part of our tax opinion and we're having very constructive discussion with the two leagues.

Bryan Goldberg

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay, thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Brandon Ross of BTIG

Brandon Ross

Analyst · BTIG

I've two for Jim and one follow-up for Gregg. For Jim, now that media is in the process of becoming a standalone entity. Can you comment on what you think the viability of standalone cable networks are in this environment, especially with the emergence of several new MVPDs? And a second question, The Forum has been extremely successful, you called it out earlier in this call especially from an ROI perspective. Do you see other similar opportunities out there that you can take advantage of? And for Gregg, he mentioned the capital return at sports. Is there going to be room for capital return at media well? Thanks.

Jim Dolan

Analyst · BTIG

Okay, from now on I want my questions to come last. What was the first one?

Gregg Seibert

Analyst · BTIG

How do you view the standalone future?

Jim Dolan

Analyst · BTIG

Oh! standalone future of the network, yes right. Well, look I can certainly comment on the MSG's regional sports network. The assets that network has particularly The Knicks, The Rangers, Islanders, Devils, etc are extremely strong in this marketplace. And I don't anticipate that weakening at all. How over the long-term future the networks monetize that. First off, I don't expect that will change much in the near term future, maybe in the next couple of years. But the strength of those products will always give it a bright future. So that as far as the other standalone networks, we don't own any, so I'm not going to comment and what was the second one?

Gregg Seibert

Analyst · BTIG

Well, the forum.

Jim Dolan

Analyst · BTIG

Oh! The Forum.

Gregg Seibert

Analyst · BTIG

Do you see other opportunities?

Jim Dolan

Analyst · BTIG

Yes. The Forum has been very successful and it's very clear that you know the formula of entertainment in a building like that is very appealing to both the customers and to the artist and so I do think that they're going to other opportunities. I don't think, that they're going to be everywhere, I think you have to be somewhat select about them. You have to have the right size marketplace, you have the right size building opportunity, all those things. But if you do and I think there are places where you do, I think we can duplicate the success that we had in Inglewood.

Gregg Seibert

Analyst · BTIG

In terms of the return of capital profile of the two companies because I mentioned before sports and entertainment should have a significant return of capital component to it for our shareholders and as Sean and as I mentioned before, we've been aggressive in returning capital to the shareholders. The other side of the coin is the RSN business and again I'm going to analogize the RSN business back to AMC. Where you know AMC was spun from Cablevision in July, 2011 over that period of time it was very much of deleveraging story as oppose to return of capital story and additionally, it was able as it deleverage, find opportunities to make the right type of tuck-in acquisition. So I think a fair way to look at things here is that sports and entertainment is likely to be the primary return of capital vehicle and RSN equity return should be driven by both growth in the RSN and the ability of the RSN to deleverage rather rapidly after the spin-off.

Operator

Operator

Sure. Your next question is from Michael Morris with Guggenheim

Michael Morris

Analyst · Guggenheim

Two questions. Another one on the spin, just within the documents you referenced I believe the two-year holding period for the tax treatment of the spun company and my question is, whether or not that same parameter would apply to the legacy networks business with respect to a potential transaction. And then, my second question is on the operations at the media network segment. Specifically the affiliate fee trend softened a bit by about $3 million in the third quarter versus second quarter. I know you had a true up payment or a true up receipt in the second quarter. I guess my question is, did the underlying trend decelerate or decline at all for that affiliate revenue pace and any more color you could give there, be great. Thanks.

Gregg Seibert

Analyst · Guggenheim

Michael, let me comment on the strategy of the two companies because there is absolutely no present intention for either of these two entities to be sold and there is no present intention that either of them will make a very significant acquisition going forward. As Jim pointed out, the spin-offs are intended to give both companies more strategic flexibility and you know as we look forward, I think the strategic direction for both companies will be determined by management and the Board of Directors of the independent separate companies. So I think that's the right way to view the business as going forward and I think on the affiliate fee side, Sean I think that one falls into your wheelhouse.

Sean Creamer

Analyst · Guggenheim

Sure, absolutely. As I mentioned, the driver behind the decrease in affiliate fee revenue is really the absence of Fuse. In fact from affiliate fee perspective for MSG Networks it was actually an acceleration in the growth rate versus the first two quarters of the years. So I think positive trends underlying the MSG Networks business. So you can attribute the differential quarter-to-quarter to Fuse in the absence of it.

Michael Morris

Analyst · Guggenheim

And you referenced in the release the low single-digit decline in the subscribers which was consistently last quarter, was that, was that trend sequentially any worse quarter-over-quarter.

Gregg Seibert

Analyst · Guggenheim

As we mentioned on last call, there was a very small incremental increase in the percentage rate decrease this quarter versus last and similar in size to what it was in the first quarter. So that trend continues.

Michael Morris

Analyst · Guggenheim

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is from Amy Yong with Macquarie Capital

Andrew DeGasperi

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

This is Andrew for Amy. First question, can you tell us how you're thinking about the organizational structure for the two entities. In other words, are you thinking about two separate management teams and secondly, can you update us on current digital initiatives? Thanks.

Gregg Seibert

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

On the management team side, my guess is that there will be overlap. We don't believe there will be complete overlap on the management side. Those decisions are yet to be made, we'll see where we go and filling the various management vacancies that, you know the worker [ph] they're looking to fill.

Andrew DeGasperi

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

And on the digital initiatives?

Jim Dolan

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

Which one would you like to know about?

Andrew DeGasperi

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

All of them, if possible.

Jim Dolan

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

So, we assume that we're talking about the initiatives with our affiliates.

Gregg Seibert

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

And MSG GO.

Jim Dolan

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

And MSG GO, right versus the in-house apps and the other things that are going on at the company. I think MSG GO has been launched. It's early still to see, where the - what the consumer is going to do with it. I think that our distributors are happy to have the opportunity. They're looking for as much flexibility when they come to that, this is what they possibly can get and but it's a little too early to claim any big success, one way or other with that.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is from Townsend Buckles of JPMorgan

Townsend Buckles

Analyst · JPMorgan

Two, if I may? First on the Spring Spectacular. It sounds like it's been doing pretty well. Can you talk about the profitability impact it should have this quarter and how you're thinking about it for next year and its ability to be a positive earnings driver then? And then the second one, I'll throw it in, on MSG Network as we see some of the new MVPD offerings like Verizon, where RSN's are essentially double-tier to second sports package and also carry an extra RSN fee. I know the service is being contested by ESPN and others, but if you could talk about how that fits in with your contracts. Which I think kind of carry minimum subscriber guarantee, which is pretty high and in general, how you can position the network to avoid distribution going further in this direction?

Jim Dolan

Analyst · JPMorgan

Well, let me talk about the Spring Spectacular first because it's one my favorite things. The Spring Spectacular model is essentially derived from the Christmas Spectacular which is a model that runs year after, year after, year it's quite different actually then the one that you see on Broadway, which is you know basically a 52-week, a year model. It really is, I think the Christmas Spectacular now is running around nine weeks to 10 weeks somewhere in there and doing over 200 shows and is extremely profitable. But that's this is the initial build, with the Spring Spectacular so it was very, very important with this product to get out of the gate strong. they start to build with the market place that this is a show to see year-after-year and to build in that kind of product. We're really very, very happy with how the market place has reacted to that and it bodes well for years to come. There is an initial very big investment that you make in something like this and this being the first new one that we've done in over 30 plus years. There was some fits and starts with it, which also increased the investment expense, but overall. If it follows the Christmas Spectacular model this will be a fabulous property both financially and culturally for the company. So let's see and the other question was.

Gregg Seibert

Analyst · JPMorgan

The MSG Network and reaction to what Verizon is doing, with the?

Jim Dolan

Analyst · JPMorgan

We're studying at this point. It's a little early for us to make any comments on it.

Townsend Buckles

Analyst · JPMorgan

Got it and then, on Spectacular do you think that it can ramp and profitability fairly quickly or it's kind of multiyear gradual step up.

Jim Dolan

Analyst · JPMorgan

Okay, so that's what I'm trying to emphasize here is that, the Christmas Spectacular has been running for like 80 years. So I mean, I'm not looking at a 80-year horizon on this, but it is an investment that you expect to amortize over multiple years. And if we got that model, actually has a fantastic return to it, if it falls the same one with the Christmas one did and is looking very good. If you're looking for impact on quarterly basis over the next 12 months, no, that's not going to happen. But if you're looking at a business that will year-after-year have a stronger and stronger return, it'd be something that we can count on, much like we do with some of our other products like Knicks and Rangers etc. This is a great thing for the company.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Ben Mogil of Stifel

Ben Mogil

Analyst · Stifel

A lot of them have been asked, so I'll just go with one. Following it like on Townsend's question on the subscriber front and about what you can and what you can't do. When you talk to the MVPD partners, do you get a sense that maybe some more promotional dollars for both of you is, is what's needed to help row this subs declines, if you will and then on a sort of adjunct to that, do you have any sense when talking to them whether or not the sub declines with some of the RSN's in the region are any different than yours?

Jim Dolan

Analyst · Stifel

I don't know anything about the other RSN's. I do know something about MVPD's though and I don't know that increased promotional budget would have much impact on subscriber losses. It's pretty difficult in this market place to because you have a lot of direct competition here. Both wired line as well as satellite competition. So what you see is a lot of trading of customers, so from a network point of view, you know a loss of one is gain of another and it's so it tends to wash, what we've been talking about in our earnings. I don't think at this point we can even tell you, where that's coming from. I mean that could be coming from so many places. Some people think that it's cord cutting, I mean it can also be market shrinkage, just you know the less people in the market place and it's, so it's a little hard to tell.

Ben Mogil

Analyst · Stifel

Okay, that's great. Thank you.

Ari Danes

Analyst · Stifel

Christie, we have time for one last caller.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your final question is coming from David Joyce of Evercore ISI

David Joyce

Analyst · Evercore ISI

Since you like talking about the Spring Spectacular, Jim, I do have another question regarding that. What is the growth opportunity just in terms of number of days that it could be running, could it start earlier in the third quarter next year, could you extend it longer and is it something that granted New York Centric, but is it something that could be extended to other markets or cater to other markets?

Jim Dolan

Analyst · Evercore ISI

First off, let's just talk about this market place. Most definitely, we would look, I think next year we will add more shows. Whether that takes more time or not, that's a little bit of a scheduling question. Interesting thing with the Spring Spectacular this year I mean is that, the best part of the run was the Spring Break where ticket sales really sort of skyrocketed. So I would say that will probably try and push more shows into the Spring Break period. But overall the model calls for the more shows that you can with x amount of sell out, etc. The better off you do, so as I said the Christmas show is up to over 200, so I think we had around 80 for this one.

Gregg Seibert

Analyst · Evercore ISI

68.

Jim Dolan

Analyst · Evercore ISI

Okay, 68. Kind of close to 80. And so that's what we look forward to it, with it. In terms of being able to take the show out into other market places. If you've gone to show which I hope you have, you'll notice that a lot of the staging with the show is it involves the screens. And that is eminently movable, right? So yes we are looking at opportunities to take the show into other market places. I don't have anything in particular to certainly to announce to-date, but I do think that opportunity is going to be there.

David Joyce

Analyst · Evercore ISI

Thank you and on Tribeca Film Festival, you mentioned expanding that into the Beacon theatre. Is there opportunity, what's the roadmap for that expanding into other markets?

Jim Dolan

Analyst · Evercore ISI

Oh! I don't know if its Tribeca Film Festival is ready to expand other markets but, I really actually should let, work trying for - we're partners. It's not a wholly owned entity and our partners are really managing partners. I think at this point, they're pretty happy with what happened this year between finding a big new physical home for themselves as well as expanding their presence in the marketplace side. I would mention again that they're, they feel it's been a big success and I think, that you would have to at least in part point to the partnership, as the reason why.

David Joyce

Analyst · Evercore ISI

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I'll now hand the floor over to Ari Danes for any closing remarks.

Ari Danes

Analyst · Stifel

Thank you for joining us on today's call, we look forward to speaking with you on our next earnings call. Have a good day.