Gonzalo Pedro Urquijo Fernandez de Araoz
Analyst · UBS
Okay. Yes, in terms of CIS, what can we say, versus the previous quarter, if you take out the quarter transaction, we were at negative minus 20, and this quarter, we would be at plus 20. And additionally to that, we've had a 67 of cost, as you said, of South Africa. So the real comparison would be minus 20 versus, let's say, in rand figures, plus 90, I would say. That would be the real comparison, number one. Two, I do think that in that area, there's various issues. One of them, we had this fire in South Africa. Second, I do think in Ukraine, we've had good progress in terms of reliability. And in terms of production, we had, I would tell you, record production in shipments in the last 5 years. Now we do have some issues. In terms of production, we have had some issues in Kazakhstan, which we're really focusing on and we're trying to bring them up very, very hard. Now another issue that you mentioned, it is true that if iron ore prices go down, this would mean -- where you have, in these countries, you have part of raw materials that is your own. This does mean a challenge. I do think that another challenge as for the moment is actually market pricing is not -- has not been that high. For example, in Ukraine, it has been following the scrap. The scrap market has been going down, so that's impacted the long business. In terms of Kazakhstan, you have a market that has practically disappeared, which is the Iranian market due to the sanctions which we're fully complying with. Then you do have a market in Russia that has become, in terms of prices, harder. So I think there's 2 different issues. One of them, the markets that is what it is and they have remained challenging. And on the other hand, you do have, in terms of what we can do internally. I think we're very focused internally. I think there's been enormous changes in South Africa and in Ukraine, and we are working very hard in terms of Kazakhstan. I have to tell you that in terms -- we are very focused in productivity, in reliability of our installations and management gains, and we do hope we are going to deliver. So what will be in our hand? We are convinced we are going to deliver, and this should mean a progress going forward to Q2. But as we said in the Investor Day, it does remain challenging. Some markets have disappeared internal, like what we've done. International market is challenging. As of today, what we have to do is deliver on what is there internally, Michael. Thank you.