Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the MGIC Investment Corporation Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions]. Please be advised that today’s conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to Dianna Higgins, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thank you, Andrew. Good morning. Welcome, everyone. Thank you for your interest in MGIC. Joining me on the call to discuss our results for the second quarter are Tim Mattke, Chief Executive Officer and Nathan Colson, Chief Financial Officer and Chief Risk Officer. Our press release, which contains MGIC’s second quarter financial results was issued yesterday and is available on our website at mtg.mgic.com under Newsroom, includes additional information about our quarterly results that we will refer to during the call today. It also includes a reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures to their most comparable GAAP measures. In addition, we posted on our website a quarterly supplement that contains information pertaining to our primary risk in force and other information you may find valuable. As a reminder, from time-to-time, we may post information about our underwriting guidelines and other presentations or corrections to past presentations on our website. Before we get started today, I want to remind everybody that during the call today, we may make comments about our expectations of the future. Actual results could differ materially from those contained in these forward-looking statements. Additional information about the factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed on the call are contained in our 8-K and 10-Q that were also filed yesterday. If we make any forward-looking statements, we are not undertaking an obligation to update those statements in the future in light of subsequent events. No one should rely on the fact that such guidance or forward-looking statements are current at any time other than the time of this call or the issuance of our 8-K and 10-Q. Now, with that, I now have the pleasure to turn the call over to Tim.

Thank you, Dianna, and good morning, everyone. I am pleased to report that we had another solid quarter and with that an excellent first half of the year. We have been consistently generating mid teen returns on equity, while returning meaningful capital to our shareholders and creating long term value for our stakeholders. Our results demonstrate the strength and flexibility of our business model, prudent risk management strategies and focus on through the cycle performance. Coupled with our ongoing commitment to serve our customers with quality offerings and solutions, we're able to help borrowers achieve the dream of affordable homeownership sooner. Now let's dive into the highlights of our financial results for the second quarter. For the quarter, we earned net income of $204 million and generated an annualized 16% return on equity. Insurance in force, the main driver of revenue, ended the quarter at $292 billion up slightly in the quarter. Our insurance in force has remained relatively flat over the past several quarters consistent with what we expected. Annual persistency ended the first quarter at 85% down slightly in the quarter. We wrote $13.5 billion in new insurance and new insurance we write continues to have strong credit characteristics. Our focus on prudent risk management strategies has enabled us to build and maintain a strong and balanced insurance portfolio. We continue to be very pleased with the overall credit quality and performance of our portfolio. This credit performance continues to be a tailwind for our financial results. As we expected at the beginning of the year, this year's MI market is similar to last year's market. The mortgage origination industry continues to be hindered by the higher interest rate environment resulting in affordability challenges and the supply of homes for sale being limited creating pent up demand. While…

Thanks, Tim and good morning. As Tim mentioned, we had another quarter with excellent financial results. We earned net income of $0.77 per diluted share compared to $0.66 per diluted share last year. Adjusted net operating income was also $0.77 per diluted share compared to $0.68 last year. A detailed reconciliation of GAAP net income to adjusted net operating income can be found in our earnings release. The results for the Q2 were reflective of the strong credit performance we continue to experience, which again led to favorable loss reserve development and resulted in a negative loss ratio for this quarter. Our re-estimation of ultimate losses on prior delinquencies resulted in $67 million of favorable loss reserve development in the quarter. The favorable development this quarter primarily came from delinquency notices we received in 2022 and 2023. As cure rates on those delinquency notices continue to exceed our expectations, we have made favorable adjustments to our ultimate loss expectations. As a reminder, the delinquency notices we received during the quarter will include loans from many different book year vintages. We continue to maintain our initial ultimate loss assumptions relate new delinquencies from the most recent quarters. Our delinquency inventory decreased in the second quarter by 3% with cures slightly outpacing new notices. We continue to expect that the level of new delinquency notices may increase in the second half of 2024 due to seasonality and the large books from 2020 through 2022 being in what were historically higher loss emergence years. The in-force premium yield was 38.4 basis points in the quarter, flat quarter-over-quarter. As I mentioned on the last call, given our expectations for another year of a higher persistency and a smaller MI market, we expect the in-force premium yields remain relatively flat for the year. We remain…

Thanks, Nathan. In closing, we had another successful quarter and an excellent first half of the year. We have been consistently generating meaningful returns for our shareholders. Our balance sheet and liquidity remains strong. I continue to be encouraged by positive credit trends we are experiencing in our existing insurance portfolio, the favorable employment trends and the resiliency of the housing market. As we navigate the second half of the year, we remain confident in our position and leadership in the market as well as our ability to execute on our business strategies. With that, Andrew, let's take questions.

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from the line of Soham Bhonsle with BTIG.

Hey, guys. Good morning. So I'm looking at Slide 5 in your deck, which is a really helpful chart and it looks like you've been able to sort of see 40% of your PMIER required assets to the reinsurance markets and I think, Nathan, you noted $2 billion of credit over time. Is there sort of a good way to think about sort of the optimal funding profile for you guys going forward?

Yes. Thanks for the question. I think that chart really does show how we really approach reinsurance, which is we try to concentrate our reinsurance buying on the most recent and future NIW. So if you look at that chart from 2020 and prior, when you look at what we're covering, we're not covering very much of that. Feel very comfortable with that risk and try to concentrate the deals that we do have like the excessive loss deal that we announced this quarter and previously the quota share agreement covering our 2024 business. So, I don't think overall, we don't target a specific funding level from a reinsurance standpoint in the overall book, much more concentrated on trying to get reinsurance coverage on the most recent and future NIW.

Okay and then Tim, just zooming out a little bit, credit performance just remains stellar. It seems like the market -- the MI market seems pretty disciplined on pricing and everything feels really good right now, but maybe just walk us through how you're planning for downside scenarios from here and just making sure that we're not getting too comfortable with the current state of things right now? Thanks.

Yes, Soham, it's Tim. Appreciate the question. It's something I think that we do every day. I mean, being an insurance company, we always have to stay focused on the downside and we think about executing in the market and we think about pricing, our focus quite frankly is on the downside much more than it is on sort of our expectations, because that's we think that's critical to being a healthy company over the long run and we think that served us well for the better part of six decades. So, it's something we're conscious of. We look for softening in any sort of credit. The good news is we haven't really seen it in our space, but it's something we have to remain very diligent on and be ready to adjust for. The good thing is with the tools we have these days, we can make moves really quickly from a pricing standpoint and we haven't been afraid to do that in the past.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Bose George with KBW.

Hey, guys. Good morning. Can we start this one on the new insurance written trends? Just with the companies that reported so far, you guys look like you're kind of behind of the range. Any thoughts there on market share or just trends in the market?

Yes, Bose, I think still one to report. I think we're coming in from a share perspective probably where we would expect to size the market is pretty similar to what we would have thought. Again, I don't look at any one quarter as, there's volatility that's going to be there. Our share can move a little bit here or there. So I think it's safe to say we gained a little bit, but it's mostly focused on are we getting the right return for the capital we're deploying, feel good about this quarter just like we felt good about last quarter as well. I think as we move through the year here, we have wide customer base that gives us an opportunity to really be able to get business when we want to be able to win the business, and deploy the capital at good returns. So again, I think, yes, it's fair to say we may have picked up a little bit this quarter, but I think we look over a longer period of time, and sort of the amount of customers that we have activated and are able to do business with is another barometer as well.

Okay. Makes sense. Thank you. And then actually in terms of capital return, how do you sort of balance the share price in terms of buybacks versus dividends? I mean the share price is up and if say it continues to do that, does that play a role at some point in terms of the mix?

Yes. Bose, it's Nathan. Certainly share price is an important consideration for us as we think about share repurchases. The number one consideration is, do we have excess capital at the holding company above the other things that we use capital at the holding company for, but recently the answer to that's been yes. So we have looked to increase payout ratios and have return more capital through share repurchases. But even in the month of July here, our repurchases were at little less than 1.1 times tangible book. I think even with the increase in the share price, we still think that we're at very attractive levels for long-term value accretion via share repurchases. So, obviously, the price has come up quite a bit in the sector and in our company, and I think that's great news. We still think we're trading at very attractive levels for long term value creation as well.

Okay, great. Thanks.

Our next question comes from the line of Terry Ma with Barclays.

Hey, thank you. Good morning. So is there any color you can provide on the characteristic or makeup of new notices this quarter and last quarter, the implied kind of provision per new notice was elevated compared to 2023. So any color you can provide there?

Yes. Terry, its Nathan. I mean, on new notices, we do have some descriptive information in the portfolio supplement. I think the new notice claim rate that we used was the same as we have for the recent quarters at 7.5%. I think the biggest driver of maybe the provision on a per notice basis increasing then really has to do with the average exposure on new notices and that I think is to be expected as we start to shift more towards notices from the most recent five or seven years and less from, say 2012 and prior years, those have higher average loan balances, higher coverage levels, not higher risk amounts on a per loan basis. So I think that's really driving up the severity assumption is the just the size of the policy, not an increase in the ratio that we're that we have kind of risk to reserve. We continue to target around 105% for new notices in terms of what we're reserving for compared to the risk on those delinquent items.

Got it. Helpful. Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Douglas Harter with UBS.

Thanks. Can you talk about the pricing you're seeing and how that compares to kind of the in force yield and kind of therefore kind of what your expectation is over the coming 12 months?

Yes. I think, Doug, I can start and Nathan has anything to add. Again, we don't talk too specific on pricing. I think it's if you look at sort of our yields on the portfolio over the last few quarters, it's been really stable and I think if you think about over the course of the year here, that's really going to be dictated by the in-force portfolio any more than anything that comes down from a new business. So I think we can feel pretty confident saying that we expect that's going to be relatively stable over the remainder of the year, which I think we said coming into the year, we felt that was, the case. So again, I think from an overall market perspective, we feel really comfortable with the price we're able to get on the capital redeploying. It's a good environment. Again, we always have to be careful about downside scenarios, but we feel that we're able to get really good return for the capital we're deploying in this current market.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Mihir Bhatia with Bank of America.

Hi. Good morning and thank you for taking my questions. Wanted to start with the cure rate a little bit up. Look, it's been pretty elevated the last couple of quarters, obviously, strong housing credit backdrop, but what I was really curious about and I'm trying to understand is what would need to change in the backdrop for that cure activity to weaken as you think about it? And like any thoughts on where the default rate could trend here over the next few quarters? Does your activity continue to be stronger than new notices? Or will the uptick in new notices kind of push total defaults maybe a little bit up?

It's Nathan. I'll start on that at least. I think what we've observed over the last 2 years is I think a return of some level of seasonality. So the first and second quarters are historically seasonally good credit quarters both from a number of new notices, but also cure activity. So what we do expect and we saw this last year, we do expect some softening of that in the second half of the year. So while we had declines in the first and second quarter in the delinquency inventory really driven by cures outpacing the notices, we don't expect that to happen in the second half of the year, but kind of in terms of broader trends, things that could drive not and kind of seasonally adjusted, I guess, we'll say, cure activity I think that has to do with the general macroeconomic backdrop that we operate in. So unemployment has remained low, wage growth has been strong, home prices have continued to increase. Those things are all tailwinds to credit performance for us and if one or more of those started to come under pressure, I think that would that could impact not only the level of new notices, but also how quickly they're curing and ultimately, how many cure out and how many results in claims, but the experience that we've had over the last several years has been quite favorable because all of those key factors, whether it's macroeconomics, interest rates or home prices have all been kind of working in a very favorable direction for credit performance.

Okay. Maybe switching to capital returns. I think you talked about them staying elevated in this operating environment for a little bit. Maybe to put a final point on it, is this 90 percent payout ratio the right way to think about it that gives you enough the 10% that you saw is enough to fund the growth to the extent you're seeing that?

I wouldn't target a specific payout ratio in any one quarter. I think like Tim mentioned in the opening comments, for us, it really starts with making sure we have enough capital at the operating company to support the risk that we have on the books and the risk that we want to write and be able to do that in a variety of operating environments. From there, we've been above our target levels at the operating company, which has led us to pay dividends, larger dividends over the last several years up to the holding company that has enabled this capital return that we've seen, but it doesn't start with a target payout ratio for us. It really starts round up from what's the right level of capital for us to have the operating company. So there's a lot of ifs here, right? but if the environment remains similar to what we've experienced, which is excellent credit performance and not a lot of growth, I think those are the conditions that lead to the higher payout ratios.

Got it. No, that's helpful, and then just my last question. I just wanted to follow-up a little bit on Bose's question about share. Really, my question is just pretty straightforward. Was there anything episodic or unusual about the second quarter that maybe drove the uptick being for you guys being a little bit more than some of the peers who reported so far? Like did you pick up any bulk business, anything specific that you would point to in the second quarter?

No, I appreciate that. No bulk type deals for us. It's all sort of winning the business every day. I think where our share is going to end this quarter is probably more representative where I think we normally would be when you think about sort of our broad customer base. It's not probably even a little bit higher. So it's probably more a reflection of being back in sort of where we closer to where we should be as opposed to maybe in Q1, but no buff deals this quarter or anything like that have been played a bit. It's just it's winning the business every day.

Okay. Thank you. Thanks for taking my questions.

Our next question comes from the line of Geoffrey Dunn with Dowling.

Thanks. Good morning. I know it's still early in the seasoning pattern, but you are getting a growing amount of new notices coming from the 2022, 2023 books. Any quality of commentary you can provide with respect to how those notices are performing with the lower HBA relative to the bigger 2021 books?

It's Nathan. I'll take that one. I mean, we do look at vintage level performance and how things are looking both from a transition to notice standpoint, but also curing out and I think the cure activity that we've seen and we kind of look at this on a monthly basis, so one-month cure rates, two months, three months, four months. We're not seeing a lot of changes in the patterns that we've seen. So, it does feel like there should be some differential performance in some of those vintages. I think we do see 2022, which especially the back half of the year, kind of somewhat elevated compared to the 2021 or 2023 vintages, but I mean, this is very, very slight. And in the grand scheme of things, not a big driver we think of ultimate losses because cure activity has been so good and then we try to ground a lot of things and looking back to 2009, which was a vintage that incurred some stress, ultimately fully developed out into a sub 20 loss ratio, and the delinquency patterns that we're seeing relative to 2009 are really favorable for more recent vintages and post delinquency cure activity has been so strong post COVID that actual loss ratios on more recent vintages are running much below that level. So, yes, I think it's definitely something that we keep an eye on and we'll keep an eye on, but I don't have a lot for you on that specifically right now, just because we're not seeing much differential in terms of post delinquency cure performance when we look at it at a cohort level.

Okay. As far as embedded equity, I think some companies and maybe MGIC has as well provided kind of the embedded equity on average for the overall portfolio. I think the latest HPM number was over 5%. Is it fair to speculate that there's on average maybe 5%, 6% embedded equity in the 2023 book and more so on the 2022 book or is that too general?

I think that's a fair way to look at it. Again, one of the reasons that we don't disclose that and also don't do it for delinquent loans is those are averages over large geographic areas and there's certainly homes that experience better than average appreciation, but there's also some that experience lower than average depreciation or even depreciation even if the overall market is up 5% and in our business of ensuring really kind of mortgage credit tail risk, we're most focused on the worst 3% to 5% to 7% of performance, not the average. So we see those same numbers when we run that for our book, but I think we're kind of more focused on the full distribution of outcomes, but if you wanted to look at the full 2023 book using either regional or kind of localized home prices or national home price, I think you would see those same -- that kind of same dynamic that you're describing, but I think for us it's more focused on the kind of full distribution and really the worst 10% of the distribution because that's really what we're there to cover not kind of the average loan.

Got you. Thank you.

Thank you. There are no further questions. I will now turn the call back over to management for closing remarks.

Thank you, Andrew. I want to thank everyone for your interest in MGIC. We will be participating in the Barclays Financial Services Conference and Development and Housing Summit in September. Have a great rest of your week and summer. Thanks everyone.

[Operator Closing Remarks].