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Vail Resorts, Inc. (MTN)

Q1 2023 Earnings Call· Fri, Dec 9, 2022

$125.56

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Vail Resorts Fiscal 2023 First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. Currently, all callers have been placed in a listen-only mode and following management's prepared remarks, the call will be open for your questions. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised, I will now turn the call over to Kirsten Lynch, Chief Executive Officer of Vail Resorts. You may begin.

Kirsten Lynch

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. During our earnings call yesterday, the conference call system vendor for the event experienced a significant technical outage disrupting the call. The vendor was unable to reestablish their systems yesterday evening, therefore, we rescheduled the call for this morning. We apologize for the inconvenience this call caused and thank you for joining us this morning. Joining me on the call is Michael Barkin, our Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, let me remind you that some information provided during this call may include forward-looking statements that are based on certain assumptions and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties as described in our SEC filings and actual future results may vary materially. Forward-looking statements in our press release issued yesterday afternoon, along with our remarks on this call are made as of today, December 9th, 2022, and we undertake no duty to update them as actual events unfold. Today's remarks also include certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of these measures are provided in the tables included with our press release, which along with our quarterly report on the Form 10-Q were filed yesterday afternoon with the SEC and are also available on the Investor Relations section of our website at www.vailresorts.com. With that said, let's turn to our fiscal 2023 first quarter results. We are pleased with our results for the quarter with resort reported EBITDA improving, compared to the prior year period, primarily driven by the strong demand and visitation at Australian resorts. Australian resorts continued to experience record visitation, driven by strong demand, following two years of COVID-19-related disruptions and supported by continued momentum in advanced commitment pass product sales following the addition of Hotham and Falls Creek in April 2019. Our North American summer operations continued to recover following the…

Michael Barkin

Analyst

Thanks, Kirsten, and good afternoon and good morning. As Kirsten mentioned, we're pleased with our first fiscal quarter performance. Net loss attributable to Vail Resorts was $137 million for the first quarter of fiscal 2023, compared to a net loss attributable to Vail Resorts of $139.3 million in the prior year. Resort reported EBITDA was a loss of $96.5 million in the first quarter of fiscal 2023, compared to resort reported EBITDA loss of $108.4 million in the prior year. This increase is primarily due to the greater impact of COVID-19 and related limitations and restrictions on results in the prior year. Our balance sheet and liquidity position remains strong. Our total cash and revolver availability as of October 31, 2022 was approximately $1.8 billion with $1.2 billion of cash on hand, $417 million U.S. revolver availability under the Vail Holdings credit agreement and $207 million of revolver availability under the Whistler credit agreement. As of October 31, 2022, our net debt was two times trailing 12-months total reported EBITDA. The company declared a quarterly cash dividend of $1.91 per share of Vail Resorts common stock that will be payable on January 10, 2023 to shareholders of record on December 27, 2022. We will continue to be disciplined stewards of our capital and remain committed to continuous investment in our people, strategic high return capital projects, strategic acquisition opportunities and returning capital to our shareholders through our quarterly dividend and share repurchase program. Moving now to our fiscal 2023 outlook. We are encouraged by the strength of our pass sales, the strong early season conditions for our Mountain Resorts and the Rockies and the West, and staffing levels, which are on track to deliver an outstanding guest experience. We are reaffirming our fiscal 2023 guidance for net income attributable to…

Kirsten Lynch

Analyst

Thank you, Michael. We remain dedicated to delivering an exceptional guest experience and we'll continue to prioritize reinvesting in the experience at our resorts, including consistently increasing capacity through lift, terrain and food and beverage expansion projects. As announced in September, the company expects to invest approximately $180 million to $185 million in calendar year 2023 capital expenditures, excluding one-time investments related to integration activities, deferred capital associated with the Keystone and Park City projects and $13 million of growth capital investments at Andermatt-Sedrun. At Keystone, we plan to complete the transformational lift served terrain expansion project in Bergman Bowl, increasing lift-served terrain by 555 acres with the addition of a new six-person high speed lift. At Whistler Blackcomb, we plan to replace the four-person high speed Jersey Cream lift with a new six-person high speed lift and replace the four-person high speed Fitzsimmons lift with a new eight-person high speed lift. At Breckenridge, we plan to upgrade the Peak 8 base area to enhance the beginner and children's experience and increase uphill capacity from this popular base area. The investment plan includes a new four-person high speed 5-Chair to replace the existing two-person fixed-grip lift, as well as significant improvements, including new teaching terrain and a transport carpet from the base, to make the beginner experience more accessible. At Stevens Pass, we are planning to replace the two-person fixed-grip Kehr’s Chair lift with a new four-person lift, which is designed to improve out-of-base capacity and guest experience. At Attitash, we plan to replace the three-person fixed-grip Summit Triple lift with a new four-person high speed lift to increase uphill capacity and reduce guests’ time on the longest lift at the resort. These lift projects are subject to regulatory approvals and are currently planned to be completed in time for…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We'll take our first question from Shaun Kelley with Bank of America.

Shaun Kelley

Analyst

Hi, good morning, everyone. Michael maybe just start with thanking you for all your help, your guidance, maybe a little bit of your patience over the years, best wishes in your next venture here.

Michael Barkin

Analyst

Thanks so much, Shaun.

Shaun Kelley

Analyst

To Kirsten, if we were going to kind of dig into one thing that was kind of new on this release, I think it would probably be around some of your commentary on the lodging bookings. So could we expand on that a little bit specifically the comment around, sort of, the patterns that you're seeing around the December holiday period this year? And sort of I think the perspective that a lot of questions we're receiving have to do with, is there an issue or something that's kind of changing the pattern around either the fiscal second quarter specifically around the holiday? Or is this sort of a kind of more natural yield management just as that period is always full and people are booking, kind of, further out in the pattern you're able to track kind of similar people? Just help us understand that comment and what you're getting at a little bit more there?

Kirsten Lynch

Analyst

Thank you, Sean. Yes, regarding our pacing on the books and bookings, they look good versus pre-COVID levels and we're pleased to see that, so that's in total. As noted, there we are seeing some shift in the timing within that and between December into January through April and wanted to be transparent about that. The pacing for the entire season is looking strong and good at this point. And as, you know, we noted last year, we have seen more of a move to off peak, which we consider to be a positive. It's still early in the season, but wanted to note that we're seeing some shifting within the total bookings from December into January through April.

Shaun Kelley

Analyst

That's helpful. And then, curious to maybe just to, kind of, push or dig a little further on that. We talk about bookings or pacing. Are we talking about, sort of, nights and volumes? Or are we in including -- are we talking about dollars? So are we including rate increases? Obviously for those of us who, kind of, focus on lots of leisure categories, pricing it up quite dramatically in most leisure activities out there? So help us think about are we talking volume or dollars, because we would think that probably dollars should be doing materially better than just bookings?

Kirsten Lynch

Analyst

Yes. To clarify, Shaun, I am not referring to dollars, I am talking about occupancy.

Shaun Kelley

Analyst

Great. Thank you very much.

Kirsten Lynch

Analyst

Thanks, Shaun.

Operator

Operator

We'll take our next question from Ben Chaiken with Credit Suisse.

Ben Chaiken

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Hey, how's it going? Michael, just want to echo Shaun, say good luck with whatever comes next. It's been a pleasure and hopefully you can personally boost the FY ’23 skier visit number.

Michael Barkin

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Thanks.

Ben Chaiken

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

With regards to ancillary, there seems to be a push to move skiers into advanced ticket options, especially the lower frequency, presumably this brings you closer to a very valuable customer and thus better situate you to drive ancillary spend. I guess the two questions on that would be when you look at the existing base of lower frequency skiers that you have, this may be tough, but how underpenetrated do you think you are? Is that something you can quantify? Have you done it like internally and then set in? What -- can you kind of just talk about the levers you can pull once that advanced decision has been made? Is it as simple as email? I guess the question is basically saying like after the advanced purchase decision has been made by the customer, is that enough? Or is there still more work on your end? And then my frame of reference for these questions is again the lower frequency guests with the advanced purchase decision? Thanks.

Kirsten Lynch

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Yes. Hi, Ben. Thank you for the question. So we do believe that as it relates to advanced commitment, the largest addressable market to really penetrate is the lower frequency destination guests. And it is a large and attractive market. They are low frequency destination guests. Because their destination guests, they do tend to spend on ancillary businesses such as F&B, rentals, ski school. When we think about this coming season, I'd say overall, we are in a very good position in that we have over 2.3 million guests pre-committed to come visit our resorts this season. When you think about the value of that in the travel and leisure business of knowing 2.3 million people are pre-committed to coming and visiting that's the benefit of the units of pass sales and the dollars that we've sold, but also the ancillary attachment that naturally comes with that. Related to that, in terms of ancillary attachment there are some natural behaviors that occur in terms of ancillary attachment, but we also have a data-driven approach to connecting with those guests in a way that's relevant to them to encourage ancillary capture and also pass holders receive what I would call, like membership benefits with Epic Mountain rewards, with discounts on our ancillary. So as we pursue this addressable market, there's a natural spend behavior that already exists. And of course, our goal is to increase that share of wallet as they come to our resorts.

Ben Chaiken

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Okay. That makes sense. So it's like almost two pronged, it’s increased the penetration of the existing lower frequency part one and then part two increase the deeper into the TAM of the potential lower frequency guest?

Kirsten Lynch

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Yes, and utilize our data to increase our capture, yes.

Ben Chaiken

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

And then just one quick follow-up. Is that something in terms of your existing lower frequency guest base, have you guys tried to take a swing at like quantifying how penetrated you are relative to where you would like to be? Is that something you've done? And would you share that ever?

Kirsten Lynch

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

We're not sharing that number today, but we obviously quantify the TAM and the progress we're making on the TAM and continue to believe that there is a lot of upside potential in terms of penetrating that addressable market.

Ben Chaiken

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

Kirsten Lynch

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Thanks, Ben.

Operator

Operator

We'll take our next question from Chris Woronka with Deutsche Bank.

Chris Woronka

Analyst · Deutsche Bank.

Hey, good morning everyone and Michael thanks for all that to help over the years and best of luck.

Michael Barkin

Analyst · Deutsche Bank.

Thanks, Chris.

Chris Woronka

Analyst · Deutsche Bank.

Yes. So question is kind of on -- if you're seeing any discernible difference in, I guess, pass buying behavior among your local and say, Western, I guess, just trying to drill down a little bit into whether there's any noticeable impact yet from some of these economic pressures in terms of when people are buying or what kind of pass they're buying relative to what they did last year or maybe in 2019 for those that you have history with?

Kirsten Lynch

Analyst · Deutsche Bank.

Thanks, Chris. You know, overall, I think the underlying dynamic, I feel very good about. And do not see any underlying shifts in behavior dynamics that are concerning at this point. The key metric that I look at is our renewing pass holders and our renewing pass holders continued to be strong are including and especially the first time pass holders that joined last year were new to the program last year and to me that really validates the resort network, the guest experience and our investments that we're making into that experience. We are seeing both local and destination grew versus prior year, which I do feel very good about in terms of, yes, seeing growth in both of those especially after a really strong growth year last year to have growth on top of that is a pretty incredible accomplishment. I think what's happening in terms of our pass holder mix is the progress that we're making on penetrating that destination addressable market with Epic Day Pass and that is a product that's designed very specifically to attract and penetrate into that addressable market. And that is -- so it's very good news that we're making progress there on Epic Day Pass, and we think that, that's a really valuable guest. And so in terms of our overall pass mix, that's probably the biggest shifts that we've had is the introduction of Epic Day Pass and making progress against that market, that prior to launching Epic Day Pass, we really would not have seen a ton of success with that addressable market, because they were never going to come into an Epic or an Epic Local Pass given the high frequency nature of those products.

Chris Woronka

Analyst · Deutsche Bank.

Okay. Super helpful. And just as a follow-up, I know you mentioned you're not completely done with hiring yet for the full season, but any surprises positive or negative as you're going through that process in terms of cost or availability? And then anything new on the longer term employee housing projects or initiatives?

Kirsten Lynch

Analyst · Deutsche Bank.

Yes, I'm really pleased with where we are on recruiting, retention, talent overall. Our investments in the employee experience we’re seeing significant improvements versus where we were last year. Our hiring is ahead of schedule, we have significantly higher levels overall in staff than we did last year. And as I mentioned, hiring is still ongoing as a top priority for our Mountain Resort teams. They are still hiring for some specific roles and we'll see them continuing to hire through the season as staffing needs occur through the season. I feel very good that we're on track to have the staff that we need for full operation of lift and mountain train normal operations of some of the ancillary businesses that I shared earlier. I have noted that one of the biggest challenges to getting fully staffed is affordable housing. We as a company are committed to investing in affordable housing, we have increased our affordable housing options for employees versus last year. And this has been and continues to be a challenge in our market community -- in our mountain communities. So there's ongoing work that we need to do to make progress on this and continue to partner with our communities that they also make it a priority.

Chris Woronka

Analyst · Deutsche Bank.

Okay. Very good. Thanks everyone.

Kirsten Lynch

Analyst · Deutsche Bank.

Thanks, Chris.

Operator

Operator

We'll take our next question from Laurent Vasilescu with BNP Paribas Exane.

Laurent Vasilescu

Analyst · BNP Paribas Exane.

Good morning. Thank you very much for taking my question. I wanted to follow-up on Ben's question with regards to ancillary revenue. Michael, should we assume that ancillary spend per visit gets back to pre-COVID levels? What's actually embedded in guidance? Or are you anticipating based on your commentary about economic uncertainty that it might not come back to the pre-pandemic levels?

Michael Barkin

Analyst · BNP Paribas Exane.

Thanks, Laurent. We -- on ancillary, we look at this at a much more granular level in terms of by resort and whether those guests are destination or local. And so I think one important thing to keep in mind relative to pre-COVID levels in particular is that the resort mix has shifted actually, right, as we incorporated peak resorts and as our Eastern resorts grow, the yield at those resorts is actually lower as you would imagine than at our destination resorts. And so there is going to be a mix shift component to that, when you look at historical financials over time, from this base going forward. Certainly, our goal is to increase attachment over time. That's certainly one of our goals and every year we look at that as we did this year in terms of guidance of what attachment we think we'll be able to achieve. And certainly as Kirsten mentioned, adding more destination guests into our Pass program should over time be helpful relative to that.

Kirsten Lynch

Analyst · BNP Paribas Exane.

And Laurent, I would just build on that to also note that our guidance assumes that the current economic conditions continue. And if there was a significant change that could impact our outlook.

Laurent Vasilescu

Analyst · BNP Paribas Exane.

Okay. Very helpful. And Kirsten, it's great to hear about the smartphone initiative. Are there any learnings or are there any other initiatives that we should contemplate maybe not for this year, but maybe going forward that could maybe further elevate the consumer experience? And then once -- sorry, one housekeeping question, Michael, I didn't see this in the press release, but should we still anticipate $175 million investment in employee wages? Or was that up since that announcement earlier this spring?

Michael Barkin

Analyst · BNP Paribas Exane.

So I'll take that one, the $175 million investment in wages was incorporated into our guidance in September that we reaffirmed and so we are on track with that.

Kirsten Lynch

Analyst · BNP Paribas Exane.

And with regards to your question about the guest experience, we are very excited about mobile pass and mobile lift tickets that is actually being tested this season for a rollout to our guests next season. And we have not announced any other innovations at this point that I'm discussing, but I will tell you that, yes, we're constantly focused on every aspect of the guest experience and where can we make investments or innovate in order to make that better?

Laurent Vasilescu

Analyst · BNP Paribas Exane.

Very helpful. Thank you very much. Best of luck.

Kirsten Lynch

Analyst · BNP Paribas Exane.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We'll take our next question from Jeff Stantial with Stifel.

Jeff Stantial

Analyst · Stifel.

Hey, good morning, everyone. Let me start by echoing some of my peer sentiment and say thank you, Michael, for all your help over the years and best of luck on your next venture.

Michael Barkin

Analyst · Stifel.

Thanks, Jeff.

Jeff Stantial

Analyst · Stifel.

Starting off here, I wanted to hone back in on some of the lodging bookings color. Kirsten, you talked to bookings pacing in line with pre-COVID levels, if memory serves at this time last year, you were trending more ahead versus pre-COVID. So is that called deceleration? Is that more a function of some of the pent up demand that we saw last season? I do recall you did talk to tough RevPAR comps on the last earnings call? Or is there anything in here more on the macro? Thanks.

Kirsten Lynch

Analyst · Stifel.

Yes. Hi, Jeff. I think we did see some different dynamics last year with COVID, there was a lot of pent up demand for travel and people getting back to having experiences. And so there were some dynamics that we saw where decisions and bookings were made very early and much earlier than typical. There was a lot of enthusiasm and pent up demand. So I think last year, there were just some unique dynamics as people got back out doing things. And at least what we're seeing right now in our indicators is returning more to a pattern that we would have seen pre-COVID.

Jeff Stantial

Analyst · Stifel.

Okay. That makes sense. Thank you, Kirsten. And then for my follow-up moving to call it the Epic Pass Tiering strategy, now that the selling season has wrapped up and you've been able to parse through some of the data. Any thoughts on potentially continuing to introduce new pricing tiers in order to succeed and penetrate that more lower frequency destination, currently window ticket skier and apologies for potentially front running the Investor Day here, but any thoughts there would be helpful?

Kirsten Lynch

Analyst · Stifel.

That’s, okay. We are always looking at that. We're always looking at the addressable market? And what do we think are the barriers among that addressable market. And what -- does our product and pricing portfolio address those barriers in order to convert them into an advanced commitment. So we're always assessing that. And last year, we created a new tier within Epic Day Pass that was specifically targeted to guests in our local and regional resorts. It's restricted to only 22 resorts, resorts like Mount Sunapee or Afton Alps and that product was designed and priced in such a way to convert those guests into advanced commitment. We still think that there is more potential there to grow that particular product and we're always looking at what are the other ways to address the barriers to convert into advanced commitment primarily because advanced commitment, we believe, is just so fundamental to the stability of our company but also to lifetime value and long-term growth and loyalty.

Jeff Stantial

Analyst · Stifel.

Great. Very helpful. Thank you both.

Kirsten Lynch

Analyst · Stifel.

Thanks, Jeff.

Operator

Operator

We'll take our next question from Gregory Miller with Truist Securities.

Gregory Miller

Analyst · Truist Securities.

Good morning. I have one question on behalf of my colleague, Patrick Scholes, and this relates to the booking pace. Could you discuss how ADR is tracking for this coming winter?

Kirsten Lynch

Analyst · Truist Securities.

I think we feel good about where ADR is in addition to how we feel about occupancy. And really the main kind of unique dynamics that we're seeing is what we called out and noted, which is some indications of potential shift in behavior between December and January through April. But otherwise, feeling good about the way ADR and occupancy is tracking.

Gregory Miller

Analyst · Truist Securities.

Thank you very much.

Kirsten Lynch

Analyst · Truist Securities.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We'll take our last question from David Katz with Jefferies.

David Katz

Analyst

Good morning. Michael, thanks for everything and all the best. I wanted to just focus on Mountain margins, if I may. With a lot of the engine outs and a lot of the discussion around labor costs, et cetera, can you give us a little bit of kind of long-term aspirational margin levels or kind of a new normal margin given everything we've gone through and everything you've done?

Kirsten Lynch

Analyst

Well, I think that we -- as I -- to comment on long term, we are very focused on margin, and we are constantly looking for ways to improve margin. Obviously, this year, we had a significant investment in our employees. And we are constantly looking at one, cost discipline and two, efficiencies to continue to improve the margin and offset any investments that we make in the future. So while I can't commit to a specific margin at this point and maybe we can talk more about that at the investor conference and where we think we're headed as a company, what I would say is that we're very focused on it and very focused on cost discipline and efficiency.

Michael Barkin

Analyst

Yes. And maybe just to build on that. I think the -- I think with the employee investment that Kirsten talked about, right, in our guidance, we're guiding to 31%. EBITDA margins, which, of course, we've built up over time. And the fundamentals of our business model right result in very strong flow-through from revenue growth and very strong free cash flow conversion. And to Kirsten's point, I think the fact that we were able to invest as much as we are investing and continue to drive margins in the business and really setting that foundation up for the strength of our free cash flow, as Kirsten said, is something that we have been focused on. And yes, I'm confident that we'll continue to focus on.

David Katz

Analyst

I appreciate that. And as my follow-up, I was hoping we could spend a minute or two on Andermatt and sort of a broader view about Europe. And again, I might be trying to front run your analyst meeting, but I'd love to get more of a sense for your vision for that property and whether we should look at this as one step in a journey and sort of building more of a European presence?

Kirsten Lynch

Analyst

Yes. Thank you for the question. We are incredibly excited about Andermatt. It is already an amazing Mountain resort with strong investment in the base area to attract a high-end European skier and we're excited to continue to invest in that. We believe that this is the perfect sort of first step for us in Europe. To come in with Andermatt to listen, to learn to build our reputation and that there is significant opportunity for Andermatt to grow its share of the luxury European skier market. Longer term, as we've shared it our investor conferences, the addressable market in Europe is almost 3 times the size of North America. And we believe that, that is a big opportunity for us for growth and we have not an easy market to penetrate. So a long-term strategy to build our experience, our credibility and hopefully, over time, build a network of resorts that can achieve value creation for our shareholders.

David Katz

Analyst

Okay, perfect. Thank you.

Kirsten Lynch

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes the Q&A portion of today's call. I would now like to turn the call back over to Kirsten Lynch for closing remarks.

Kirsten Lynch

Analyst

Thank you, operator. This concludes our fiscal 2023 first quarter earnings call. Thank you to everyone who joined us today. Please feel free to reach out to me or Michael directly, should you have any further questions. Thank you for your time this morning and goodbye.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's Vail Resorts Fiscal First Quarter 2023 Earnings Call and Webcast. You may disconnect your line at this time, and have a wonderful day.