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Minerals Technologies Inc. (MTX)

Q4 2016 Earnings Call· Fri, Feb 3, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good day ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Q4 2016 Minerals Technologies Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Rick Honey, Vice President of Investor Relations.

Rick Honey

Management

Good morning. Welcome to our fourth quarter 2016 earnings conference call. For this call Chief Executive Officer, Doug Dietrich will review our 2016 performance, address the fourth quarter results and provide some perspective on the coming year. Before we begin, I'll remind you that beginning on Page 13 of our 2015 10-K, we list the various risk factors and conditions that may affect our future results. Statements related to future performance by members of our management are subject to these limitations, cautionary remarks, and conditions. Now I'll turn the call over to Doug.

Doug Dietrich

Management

Thanks, Rick. Good morning, everyone. Let's start off with a brief review of our financial performance, our performance highlights for 2016. 2016 was a successful yet extremely challenging year for Minerals Technologies. This marked the seventh consecutive year we posted record earnings and two of the major contributors to that performance were our Specialty Minerals and Performance Materials segments both of which also had record years. We increased earnings to $4.47 per share and companywide operating margins increased to 15.7% up nearly 10% from last year. We improved our safety performance this year reducing our recordable and lost time incidents by 22%. As most of you know, China is a major focus of our geographic expansion growth strategy and in 2016 our efforts there gained ground with revenue growth of 9%. We made progress with the penetration of PCC into the paper market with the penetration of our blended green sand bond systems into the foundry market. Sales in the paper PCC business in China grew 12% including the startup of our 100,000 ton filler satellite with Sun Paper and our Performance Materials segments recorded 11% sales growth. We also strengthened our technology pipeline. New technologies are maturing and we've moved closer to commercializing new products across each of our businesses all of which will yield future growth. We remain a strong operating company and during the year continued to improve our manufacturing processes through our initiatives and operational excellence and lean. In 2016 for example, the company improved productivity measured by tons-per-hour worked by 7%. This saved close to $5 million in cost compared to 2015 and marks the seventh year in a row we've had productivity improvements of 5% or higher. We also continued our progress with deploying operational excellence. The number of suggestions received from our employees…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] We’ll hear first from Daniel Moore with CJS Securities.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Good morning, Doug. Thanks for taking the questions.

Doug Dietrich

Management

Hi, Dan.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

First just wanted to take a look at the PCC side where kind of given the closures in North America hit a new low in Q4, do you expect that to be the bottom, have you seen any of the additional capacity come out rather than what we talked about maybe couple of months ago? And I guess, just more generally, if you look back at some of the closures is the return profile, are you still confident the return profile in these projects is the same as we had always expected historically?

Doug Dietrich

Management

You mean the return profiles of the new satellites?

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Correct, yes.

Doug Dietrich

Management

Well, let me answer your first question. Right now we don't see any additional closures in North America and Europe. We look at operating rates for uncoated freesheet paper right now. I think they are around 90% in both Europe and North America and that's pretty healthy level. So when we look at that level we don't see - and we don't see any this year coming at us. As far as returns on those new satellites, you look at how we price those and look at those capital expenditures with our customers and those returns are the same over the horizon that we have those contracts as anything that we’ve had in North America. And we’ll caution you a little bit that the revenue is different. So part of the revenue decline that you’re seeing in paper we'll try to give you some more clarity on this is a ton of PCC in China is different priced than a ton of PCC in North America and the reason that is is because the input costs are different, but the returns are the same to the company and how we price that cap.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Got it, very helpful. And then just switching gears, did the long-term trend in household personal care continues to be very good, Q4 was a little light, anything that caused that and your expectations for 2017 and one quick follow-up?

Doug Dietrich

Management

Sure, let me answer the first part and then I'll ask Gary to give you a little color. Household and personal care, the decline you saw this quarter it has been on a very good growth track, the decline this quarterly we had indicated on the last call what happened is the changeover of the surfactant granule from one of our customers. So as they do that, that volume dropped off and then we expect to pick it back up in probably the second, end of the second quarter of 2017, so we move back on that track of growth. May be I'll let Gary give you a little bit more color on that.

Gary Castagna

Analyst

Right, Dan, the prospects and the future like Doug said we had a particular product line that we knew coming into the last part of this 2016 was going to be phased down and that happens often in these formulations, there is changeovers to alternatives and then we do have programs though that are always in the pipeline looking certainly for or adding to the growth and we will see coming up to this year more growth potential coming down the road probably more toward the second half of the year that will take up for some of the decrease you saw here in the last quarter.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Perfect, and lastly I know you don’t like to get into the full year guidance game, but just thinking about the puts and takes this past year despite $120 million revenue drop in the services business you still managed 4% EPS growth. Given the growth outlook that you described in the prepared remarks, is there any reason why we shouldn't grow at a higher clip this year on the bottom line and are there any investments or tax rates or other things that we should be thinking about that could be a governor? Thank you, I appreciate it.

Doug Dietrich

Management

Thanks, Dan. Look I think there is absolutely additional growth in earnings in 2017. I remain a little bit cautious about the contribution from the services business, I mean I think we feel much better as I mentioned today as we sit today looking into 2017 for both refractories and energy services. We were facing some pretty significant slowdowns and declines last year, but where those businesses sit this year and where those markets are this year much healthier position. But I’m cautiously optimistic. I don't think until we see oil prices if we want to talk specifically about energy services, so you really see something over $60 a barrel, I don't really think its driving some meaningful production and kind of filtration business to us, but we are seeing some better activity today. So that's a positive. Refractories business is at 73% capacity utilization, that's up almost 7% from where we said last year, that’s another healthy indication. Then may be what I’ll do first and then I’ll conclude Dan is I'll let Andy give you a little bit of color, Andy Jones give you a little color on what we're seeing here around the world in oil and gas and then Brett Argirakis on refractories and steel.

Andy Jones

Analyst

Yes, Dan its Andy here. I think we've kind of bottomed out at the beginning of the Q4 last year and I think that we're at the beginning of an up cycle now. We are seeing a stabilization of the rig count here in the U.S. offshore. We're seeing an uptake in the rig counts on land and internationally our business is growing quite well I would say. So, I think, we predicated our plan on $45 to $55 oil – around - we're at the high side of that today around 54. As Doug said, once we get to 60 and we can sustain 60 then we'll see much more infrastructural spend I would say in the E&P environment. So I think we're beginning the uptick and I think we’re looking forward to a good year.

Doug Dietrich

Management

Thanks Andy, Brett you want to give us a little color on refractories?

Brett Argirakis

Analyst

Sure. Sure. Hi Dan, the global steel production in 2016 was fairly flat and the utilization rates were around 70%. As Doug pointed out we - our expectations are to be better this year. So U.S. rates when you look at U.S. rates as he pointed out, we went early in the year from 70% we're up to about 73% and we’re seeing orders picking up for the steelmakers over Q4. So that’s a positive indication. Expectations for us, for 2017 we expect them to remain at similar levels for the time being, but also expect a possible uptick in the second half, so that should help us in our growth initiatives.

Doug Dietrich

Management

So Dan, let me complete the picture for you. If you look at the minerals businesses we said 22% growth in metal casting and we've got some really strong orders in China from metal casting. So we see that continuing. We are going to continue to ramp up Sun paper and filler satellite in the beginning of this year which will improves some PCC volumes. And we tripled our Resistex sales this year and we look at that growth continuing, especially as we start to introduce some of those products into Asia. So, I think there are a lot of good things going for the company to start generating some revenue growth and I think that will yield higher earnings in 2017.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Great, I appreciate the color as always.

Doug Dietrich

Management

Thanks Dan.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Silke Kueck with JPMorgan.

Silke Kueck

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Good morning. How are you?

Doug Dietrich

Management

Hi, Silke.

Silke Kueck

Analyst · JPMorgan.

I was wondering whether you can quantify how big your business in China is now as a percentage of sales and if you were to grow does that require any additional capital outlays or hiring and the rate SG&A expenses maybe you can comment on that?

Doug Dietrich

Management

Sure. That sales in China is about 15% of the company sales right now, but it's growing as I said about at a 10% pace on an annualized basis. So it’s becoming a relatively sizable portion of the company. When I talk about developing the organization there that will require some overhead expense in SG&A, but the way we look at things in the company is we manage our total overhead expenses to the company’s growth rate, so we will be moving and shifting where we always have been doing this. As we shift resources from areas that may not be growing to those that are. So we’ll manage that expense control or manage that expense outlay, but it will require some broadening of talent to better support that growth and accelerate it even in China. Capital, it will require capital. We are - the two main areas of capital expenditures for growth will be in the performance materials and the paper PCC business as always has been. No real capital needed, very small capital needed for construction technologies. We've got plenty of capacity around the world and in China right now. So, but it will be more for new technologies in the paper PCC business and in performance material.

Silke Kueck

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Thank you.

Doug Dietrich

Management

You don’t sound very good Silke.

Silke Kueck

Analyst · JPMorgan.

No, I’m on the upswing so I am unable to ask questions again which is good. Do you have a cost saving target 2017?

Doug Dietrich

Management

A cost savings target for 2017, well we don’t have, we do have targets. We set them internally. We set actually pretty tall stretch targets for Doug Mayger's team who runs our supply-chain group. This year we probably had about $10 million to $13 million worth of across-the-board supply-chain savings. Where we plan the company Silke is, when we plan our business units and operating income we do one thing very standard. We build into our forecast a 10% per year productivity improvement and 3% variable cost improvement in each of our businesses that’s the target. Expense savings, we look at it based on the business and where it's growing and what it needs, but on an operating basis we target those levels every year. Now what that's yielded is about 3% variable cost savings and a 5% productivity improvement on average every year for the past six years. So those are our targets and they are kind of standard, but we did, we do have some supply-chain targets as well. This year will be a little bit more challenging with energy costs are flattening out we've participated in some energy savings last year, but we do have those targets as well.

Silke Kueck

Analyst · JPMorgan.

In terms of D&A and CapEx how much D&A did you spend or what was the D&A expenditures in 2016 or what do you expect for 2017? And similar for CapEx I think for 2016 you thought you wanted to spend $80 million to $90 million and then you had enough spending 62 what do you think you may spend in 2017?

Doug Dietrich

Management

Yes D&A Silke, is $92 million in 2016, CapEx was you are right it was only $62 million this year. We expect that to probably be around $70 to $75 million next year. Really it is dictated, it is really driven by paper PCC. We built, we finished building one satellite plant this year and so that will be, the increase will be if we start to build satellites but that probably won't be until late if at all next year.

Silke Kueck

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Okay and two more questions if I may. In terms of your up warding cash flow or is there like a working capital headwind in the fourth quarter versus last year and that is your operating cash flow its lower than it was last year in the fourth quarter even though the net income is somewhat comparable or actually better?

Doug Dietrich

Management

Yes, we had actually we did and we mentioned that on the last call. We had some - working capital is a challenge for us this year, especially in the first part of the year we had number of payment terms extended on us, particularly in energy services and steel as those, our large customers kind of inflicted some changes on us that drove up our working capital. We took some actions towards the second half of the year though some of that those receivables were extended. We tried to offset that with payables and works through some inventory reductions. We did make some progress in the fourth quarter, some good progress on inventories and improved our outstanding collections, but it was something it was more of a draw this year than last.

Silke Kueck

Analyst · JPMorgan.

And what’s your working capital change expectations for next year?

Doug Dietrich

Management

So working capital, I get it, I can give it to you on a day basis. We typically run around 90, 97, 92 days, so we're looking to get ourselves back to where we were, I don’t know the exact numbers, Mike I think in 2014 we were around 92 days. So I think we’re up about six days in total working capital as a company.

Silke Kueck

Analyst · JPMorgan.

And lastly, there was like a fair amount of currency headwind that you had stood this year and probably even little bit and so that was current year it was some 2016 probably even at the end of 2015 and all of that probably took away from what your productivity savings would have looked like if you didn’t have these currency headwinds and how much leverage do you expect if currencies begin to flatten out?

Doug Dietrich

Management

Well, I can give you is from over the past two years our sales foreign exchanges impacted our sales negatively by $135 million. That's impacted negatively operating income by about $18 million to $20 million. So as we stay here, I'm not making any predictions on where currency is going, but if you go back to 2014 that’s the kind of leverage you're looking for.

Silke Kueck

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Thank you very much. I’ll get back in the queue.

Doug Dietrich

Management

Yes.

Operator

Operator

And we’ll go to Rosemarie Morbelli with Gabelli & Company.

Rosemarie Morbelli

Analyst

Thank you, Good morning everyone. Congratulations and thank you for this very good dissertation and what’s you are planning to do.

Doug Dietrich

Management

Thanks Rosemarie.

Rosemarie Morbelli

Analyst

I was wondering you mention new products as one which has always been, one way of for Minerals Technologies to grow and you said that, that a few of them were becoming, were getting close to commercialization. Could you give us a better feel as to where those products are? Where they are going and what kind of revenues you anticipate three years out?

Doug Dietrich

Management

Well let me answer the last question first and then I will give you some color. New products constitute new products that we've launched over the past five years constitute about 12% of the company sales today. We've got of those products 83, 85 new products and they have the potential, the gross potential of about 300, a little over $325 million in total sales of things that we've launched that are still kind of developing. What I mentioned in terms of development of new technologies there are in areas in the paper PCC business. We’ve developed; we’ve launched our NewYield product last year. NewYield, that was the first facility with Sun Paper and so we worked through, if that technology at that location and has made it more robust over the past years. So that has matured as though it was commercialized it is matured. Our geosynthetic clay liners like Resistex have also matured. We've deployed them through number of red mud containment bounds as well as coal ash and we've refined that product even further over the past couple of years and it has become more robust. Okay let me let Rand Mendez give you a little feel for some of the technologies in paper that he is seeing trial activity on those that have been maturing. Rand?

Rand Mendez

Analyst

Yes, that’s right Doug, well as you know we have a good technical capability for coating of high-end packaging, but beyond that, beyond producing glossy coating with our PCC product, we have other technologies with Fulfill and NewYield that we're pursuing into packaging and Fulfill and NewYield can provide strength, light weighting, fiber displacement, all of these properties are important in the packaging market and we have similarly good active opportunities there. In fact these opportunities are not just in China they’re currently active in all regions. Further out, we have some new technologies in addition to Fulfill and NewYield that we’ve not announced yet, but they are advancing in Asia and in fact the rest of the world as well, so beyond PCC several good developments there.

Doug Dietrich

Management

Hi that was some other technologies in the performance materials, Rosemarie [indiscernible] light weight litter. Why don’t I let Gary give you a little color on those?

Gary Castagna

Analyst

Yes, hi, Rosemarie. On the lightweight litter I know you've asked about that the four, that's been a product that we commercialized really just over the last year here in the U.S. and it's been pretty successful in terms of the traction in the overall market, the space within the space in the cat litter category lightweight litter now was about 12% to 50% of their retail dollars. It's held steady at that level. Our customers have principally large mass merchandising retailers. They are getting a private label product on the shelves as we speak and we’ve seen pretty good development of those markets as we go along. So we're still at the small end of in terms of what the value is, but the rate of growth looks quite promising. But beyond the U.S. we're really looking at that lightweight litter technology that we have and in the capabilities we have to move for quickly into China and other parts of Asia to introduce that product. The whole idea of domestication of pets in that category is rapidly changing in that emerging market area and we’d like to really jump fast into this type of product into that region we think it makes a lot of sense. So we’re pushing very heavily and then like to think it will be introducing a product in China by the end of this year. In terms of the Intersoft area, which again is our crop health attitude, we have distribution now well established in key geographies principally Brazil, China, India and of course North America. Some areas of that are influenced by crop prices like we are seeing today. However, on a number of different smaller crop areas, fruits, vegetables principally we’ve seen very good trial data and ambiguity to get more each year into broadening our distribution in the key geographies and then once the key money crops begin to recover, we see a quite substantial growth potential beyond that the base we have today.

Rosemarie Morbelli

Analyst

What are they replacing, are they replacing fertilizers? I am not an Ag person.

Doug Dietrich

Management

It’s not a replacement, it's an enhancement and in some cases we in many cases now what we're really doing is called formulating our particular attitude with the micronutrients that are used for in soil additives, so we're sort of compatible if you will with existing macro micronutrients.

Rosemarie Morbelli

Analyst

Okay, now that is helpful thanks. And what do you mean Doug by those products are matured, I mean they were just introduced in 2016, I am not sure I understand what you mean?

Doug Dietrich

Management

Well, I guess I’m referring to as our technology pipeline. So two things, one, we operate our technology development in the stage gate process. So every year we have a number of and we will probably show this to you in the next couple of calls, but we will highlight, the new technologies that are coming in and the ones that are moving through and the ones and the ones that we've developed that have matured another year that are becoming ready for commercialization. So with any new product and they evolve as there are out in the market and we enhance them and we make them even more effective once we see how this worked with number of different customers. So, I think it's those that are in the pipeline have matured another year and will be commercializing this year and those that are already commercial that have been enhanced and changed and developed for a broader customer base that’s kind of what I mean by the matured.

Rosemarie Morbelli

Analyst

Okay, so it just means that they are in the marketplace and they are now beginning to generate revenues.

Doug Dietrich

Management

Yes, both and about to be in the marketplace.

Rosemarie Morbelli

Analyst

Okay.

Doug Dietrich

Management

The other thing I’ll let you know that we mentioned some of the produced water technologies that are taking hold and the energy services, we've got some new laser systems and other refractory formulations as well and refractories. So there is a number of fronts, but we see new products contributing to growth in 2017 and part of my I guess dissertation as you put it.

Rosemarie Morbelli

Analyst

Thanks and find a better word, I apologize, it was a fun one.

Doug Dietrich

Management

Felt like it I guess, but it is, some of the changes, the organizational changes that I intend to make are kind of getting a little bit closer to those customers and making sure we have the points with those customers because really understanding how these things are working and quickly making decisions and quickly enhancing them and so just speeding up that communication with these new products are some of the things that I think can help us go fast and that’s what those, that's what I referred to in terms of organizational changes that I think will help the growth trajectory.

Rosemarie Morbelli

Analyst

Okay, yes thank you. That is very helpful and just lastly, if I may on the chromite does it have a substantial, substantially higher margins in your other product lines looking at the results with the higher sales of chromite?

Doug Dietrich

Management

They are good margins Rosemarie and it’s really driven by the market price of chromite. So, we have a general and fixed mining cost, so that we're price takers in the market of chromite, give you an idea, chromite prices beginning of last year were around $100 a ton and they climbed to almost $340 a ton late this year, so very quick climb and that's, that's what we're participating in.

Rosemarie Morbelli

Analyst

And what is the reason for that climb?

Doug Dietrich

Management

It’s really driven by demand in China. So, over the past two or three years' stocks, market has changed a little bit. May be I'll let Gary give you an indication what changed three years ago, but it is driven by consumption in China right now.

Gary Castagna

Analyst

Yes, Rosemarie the situation that this chromite is used ultimately in the - to produce stainless steel. So a lot of more consumer as well as at some industrial areas, so that demand has continued to be fairly strong in China particularly and China must purchase all of the raw materials that go into, ultimately into producing these goods. So the chromite that comes from South Africa where our mine is approximately 70% of that supply going into the country and essentially what’s happened over time is there's been a rebalancing of the grades of the chromite going into the country and that rebalancing is more favored the type of mineral that we have at our disposal. So we're definitely riding that wave. That wave goes up. It definitely can come down. So, but at this time, and for certainly a foreseeable future we see a fairly positive outlook, but it is a volatile, it can be a volatile end market.

Rosemarie Morbelli

Analyst

Okay, thank you very much. I appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Mike Sison with KeyBanc has our next question.

Mike Sison

Analyst

Hey guys. Doug, I appreciate your opening comments there and in terms of what you plan to do. You did mention that EPS growth over your over time has been pretty good 12% when you think about sort of a three to five-year goal for Minerals Technologies, what type of growth do you think you can continue to generate there on EPS or top line or maybe some metrics on a three to five-year plan and I thought just I know your sort of just starting here.

Doug Dietrich

Management

I appreciate that Mike. Look, we usually don't guide out even a year, so I'm going to hesitate to give you numbers out three to five years. I do think though that the company has the potential at least the minerals segment of the company has the potential to grow the top line with traction and again it may not be linear, but has opportunity to grow 5% to 6% range. The challenges we’ve had over the past couple of years in terms of our topline have really been two things, really the services businesses, energy services and refractories I mentioned over the past two years about $230 million of sales decline in foreign exchange. But I think that growth as it's now stabilized and will turn the other direction, I think with those growth trajectories in the top line are possible over the next five years. And I think that will yield even higher levels of earnings growth on the bottom line and that's because we, our ability to turn a dollar revenue into very strong profits I think is evidence and so I think over a longer period of time that 10% type earnings growth albeit it may not be linear on a compound basis over the next 5 to 10 years is possible.

Mike Sison

Analyst

Okay, great and then for paper PCC, you talked about trailing activity, can you walk us through sort of the timing there and how that works into potentially adding more satellite capacity over time?

Doug Dietrich

Management

Sure the trial activity, it's actually quite a long sale process it requires, what it requires most is time on the machine and when you're trailing so, first understanding the needs of the customer, understanding the pigment they are using, the paper grades that they are producing understanding how PCC can help them in terms of enhancement of quality and paper and saving costs in terms of pulp, I can give you the quick equation. PCC is a direct one for one replacements for pulp. Pulp if you are making it averaged $350 cash cost and we sell PCC for $120. If you're buying pulp you are probably paying $800 a ton and we're selling it to you for $120 a ton. So there is a big cost advantage. Now, not so easy, you have to make sure the paper works, it works within the chemical systems and on that machine and that’s the trial activities. So, first, it is understanding the value equation for the customer. Describing that value equation and then getting time on the machine and it's been difficult to get time on machines in China and Asia the past year due to some of the dynamics that have been changing over there in terms of paper and supply and with Indonesia with a lot of paper that's come back from the U.S. into Asia it's circled its way through India, Indonesia and China that's made it difficult for us to get time on those machines. Once you get time on the machine and that may be scheduled out a number of months, it may take a month or three-week trial and then some feedback and it may take another trial. But once – and then we've seen this over the past 25 years, it's almost always shown that PCC is a higher value pigment saving money and then it begins - gets into what type of capital required to put a satellite on that location and then how we negotiate kind of 10 to 15-year commitment by both parties and that's not something taken lightly by either side getting together and putting a satellite on site of a plant and being there. I think the average lifespan of our satellites right now are almost 20 years. And when we're doing these things we are there for long periods of time as partners with that customer. And so that cycle takes time and that can take a year in some instances and that's what's happening right now.

Mike Sison

Analyst

Right and then last question, Doug. When you think about acquisitions that you're focused on you've got all four segments have very good profitability and your service used to and maybe as those energies bounce back here that will as well. But when you think about what makes more sense to add to the growth of your company, any particular areas of focus near-term?

Doug Dietrich

Management

Well, I think certainly in the minerals based businesses is where we'll focus acquisitions. We've always had a - our template has been minerals based, but minerals that have a technology component or something that we can apply our technologies, mineral technologies to make them value-added constituents in whatever they go into. I think with a bentonite based set of businesses it provides us avenues in that mineral, but also in the markets that are in metal casting, consumer products household personal care, those markets and that mineral provides an area and platforms for those growth same with the carbonate side. And in our Specialty Minerals segment we have opportunities for growing in the specialty segment and also in further development of those minerals around the world. So we have both market type platforms that we can move into and also mineral type platforms and it doesn’t necessarily have to be bentonite or carbonates that we look at, but something that is also parallel in a market that we currently serve maybe in another mineral and that's what we looked at when we bought AMCOL with bentonite. So I think I gave you kind of a two-dimensional kind of power for where we can explore, primarily it will be in the minerals businesses.

Mike Sison

Analyst

Great, thank you very much.

Doug Dietrich

Management

Yep.

Operator

Operator

Thank you and we have a followup from Daniel Moore.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Thank you, Doug. Your comments and the last comment just sparked a thought. Just as you talked about what you'll keep and what's different, in terms of M&A strategy bolstering reserves has been a key goal. Will you think about – in the past everything you've done has been materially accretive in a very short period of time, how do you think about balancing near-term earnings accretion with the opportunity that sort of bolster reserves over a longer period of time going forward?

Doug Dietrich

Management

Well, absolutely I think making sure that we have the reserves around the world to support the growth in the regions that we're growing and their current based business. So I don't - sometimes I don't think about acquisitions that are necessary ongoing capital to sustain the business long-term. So with that and that may come through acquisition in terms of buying a position that comes with those reserves. What I think of is I balance obviously the shareholder value creation of the acquisition. So it really depends on what it is we always we tend to look for being accretive right out of the gate, but if something wasn't or was neutral, it would have something in there that generated a significant relatively near-term cash flow improvements for us to want to buy it. We're pretty disciplined about how we look at acquisitions and how we value them. We value them from many different angles and I think we've probably seen historically we've been pretty disciplined about how we go about that.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Indeed, I appreciate it, thank you.

Doug Dietrich

Management

Yep.

Operator

Operator

And with no additional questions, I'd like to turn the floor back over to our speakers for any additional or closing remarks.

Rick Honey

Management

That concludes today's conference call. And thank you for your interest in Minerals Technologies and have a nice day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And again ladies and gentlemen that does conclude today's conference, thank you all again for your participation. And gentlemen, is there anything else I can do for you?

Rick Honey

Management

No, we're good Kathryn, thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

You are welcome. Have a lovely weekend.

Rick Honey

Management

You too.