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Q4 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 4, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Murphy USA Inc. Q4 2015 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. I would like to introduce your host for today's conference call, Mr. Christian Pikul. You may begin.

Christian Pikul

Analyst

Thank you, Kevin. Good morning, everyone. Thank you all for joining us today. With me are Andrew Clyde, President and Chief Executive Officer; Mindy West, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and Donny Smith, Vice President and Controller. After some opening remarks from Andrew, Mindy will provide an overview of the financial results and then we will go back to Andrew, who will give us some additional insight into the guidance we issued and then we will open up the call to questions. Please keep in mind that some of the comments made during this call, including the Q&A portion, will be considered forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. As such, no assurances can be given that these events will occur or that these projections will be attained. A variety of factors exist that may cause actual results to differ. For further discussion of risk factors, please see the Murphy USA Form 10-K, 10-Q, 8-K and other SEC filings. Murphy USA takes no duty to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements. During today's call, we may also provide certain performance measures that do not conform to generally accepted accounting principles or GAAP. We have provided schedules to reconcile these non-GAAP measures with the reported results on a GAAP basis as part of our earnings release which can be found on the investor section of our website. With that, I will turn the call over to Andrew.

Andrew Clyde

Analyst · Stephens Inc

Thanks, Christian. Good morning and welcome to our fourth quarter 2015 conference call. I hope you all had time to read through the earnings press release we issued last night, where we reported net income from continuing operations of $29.2 million or $0.69 per share in the fourth quarter. It's been a busy couple of weeks, starting with the announcement of our new independent path for growth, our share repurchase program and the expected sale of our last non-core asset. So on today's call, there are a handful of key points that we would want you to take away. The first point is that Q4 completes a strong 2015 year on earnings performance. As we noted in our Q3 call, we were looking to meet or beat our guidance estimate on virtually all of the key metrics outlined, with the exceptions of, one, fuel volume which was trending less than 1% off versus the prior year on a per-store basis and coming up against the record Q4 2014 comparable period and, two, product supply and wholesale which was facing a difficult, long and unconstrained refined product environment with additional pressure on rack prices, due to the continued high RIN prices which we stated would provide an offset as we're a major beneficiary of RINs with our proprietary supply chain. We finished the quarter with $0.124 retail fuel margin and the year at $0.125, right in the middle of our long-run outlook of $0.12 to $0.13 which is the upside scenario we gave sitting here at this time last year. So we feel very good about the full-year earnings we produced and the business as a whole performed in line with our plans and expectations. The second point is the fruits of our labor on our performance improvement initiatives are coming…

Mindy West

Analyst · Stephens Inc

Thank you, Andrew and good morning, everyone. As Andrew mentioned, income from continuing operations was $29.2 million or $0.69 per diluted share. Reported net income of $66.7 million or $1.58 per diluted share, included a gain from the sale of our Hereford ethanol plant which contributed $37.5 million or $0.89 per diluted share, of income from discontinued operations. Both of these metrics compare to a very strong fourth quarter in 2014 EPS and EPS for continuing operations of $2.13 and $2.04, respectively, as fuel margins moderated to more historical levels this year. Total revenues were $2.93 billion in the fourth quarter, compared to $3.55 billion the same quarter last year. That decrease was caused primarily by lower fuel prices, partially offset by an increase in store count. The effective tax rate for the quarter was 34.3% and that lower effective rate was primarily due to true-ups of prior-year tax returns and anticipated tax credits that were reinstated late 2015. As of December 31, 2015, our long term debt remained unchanged at approximately $490 million, resulting primarily from the senior unsecured notes. Our asset-based loan, meanwhile, remains capped at its $450 million limit and is subject to periodic borrowing base determinations which currently limits us to $134.5 million. At the present time, that facility continues to be undrawn. Cash and cash equivalents totaled $102.3 million at year-end, providing us with a net long term debt position of $387.9 million. Not included in the 2015 year-end cash balance is restricted cash of $68.6 million related to unspent sales proceeds from the Hereford ethanol plant sale that are currently being held by a third-party trustee in order for the company to participate in like/kind exchange transactions to defer tax gain on the sale of the plant. This restricted cash is included in non-current…

Andrew Clyde

Analyst · Stephens Inc

Thanks, Mindy and that's a perfect segue into a more in-depth discussion surrounding our 2016 guidance, where I will touch on all the key aspects of our business. Starting with fuel volumes, we're looking at per-store volumes of between 265,000 and 275,000 gallons per month. This is a guidance range with a lot of moving parts and assumptions. We aren't betting that market demand will grow another 3%, as we saw in 2015. We also don't expect an enhanced fuel discount program will be put in play. We see ongoing competition from new sites, just like our competitors feel that when we open a new site, but we're also increasing our percentage of larger-format stores in the system which generate higher per-store volume. In the end, we expect a performance variation of plus or minus 1% which is consistent when you look across 2014 and 2015 results. Coupled with the timing for new store openings, we're forecasting between 2% and 6% total volume growth in 2016. As far as fuel margins go, we're tightening and slightly increasing our forecast range which we now expect to approximate $0.1225 to $0.1325 per gallon. As mentioned in the release, we expect to see some benefits from various improvement initiatives which taken together help boost those fuel margins. Also as noted, a $0.01 per gallon increase in fuel margins can swing earnings per share by roughly $0.60 to $0.65 per share on an annual basis. So we consider a $0.25 per-gallon increase to be both a meaningful and sustainable change. While this becomes our new long-run outlook, we can all appreciate how volatility can impact axle performance, both higher and lower, in the short term. On the product supply and wholesale front, we expect overall crude and refined product prices to remain range bound…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Ben Bienvenu with Stephens Inc.

Ben Bienvenu

Analyst · Stephens Inc

So I would be curious, you gave pretty strong guidance on the merchandise margin side. At the same time, it looked like nontobacco merchandise margins were down a bit in the fourth quarter. I'd be curious to hear what happened in the fourth quarter and then how much of your expectation for stronger merchandise margins in FY16 is a product of company-specific initiatives and then how much of it is related to Core-Mark.

Mindy West

Analyst · Stephens Inc

Ben, I can take the first part of your question of what happened in the fourth quarter. During the month of October, we had a one-time rebate adjustment of almost $700,000 and that was reflected in the reduced margin for that category for the full quarter.

Ben Bienvenu

Analyst · Stephens Inc

And then for guidance for next year, sort of thinking about the pieces that are reflected in that expectation for higher margins.

Andrew Clyde

Analyst · Stephens Inc

So you've got Core-Mark which is going to show up primarily on the tobacco side on a per-store basis. You've also got continued improvement across the other categories as we continue to grow our mix of larger-format stores in the mix. We will also have additional merchandising initiatives, including continuing to optimize our promotions. The beverage program will continue to benefit at the existing stores from the super-coolers. The refreshed stores also show a small uptick in both merchandise and fuel improvement as a result of that program. So it's really the sum of the parts. I think the single biggest item that will probably show up will be the improvement in tobacco margins reflected from the Core-Mark contract.

Ben Bienvenu

Analyst · Stephens Inc

And then, just looking at the fourth quarter, retail margins were a little bit lower than I would have thought. I know that it looked like profitability in the broader market on a fuel margin basis moderated as we moved through the quarter. But I'd just be interested to hear sort of how that played out for you all and then how you balanced price that you might put on the street versus margin and trying to maintain market share with gallons.

Andrew Clyde

Analyst · Stephens Inc

Sure, and you are right. We were comping against a significant Q4 last year where we saw a $1.15 price reduction in which we picked up a lot of volume as part of our pricing tactics during that period. So we're conscious of maintaining some level of that volume, but doing it in a prudent way because, as we know now that we've entered January, the market margins are attractive and so you want to optimize per site your volume margin equation. One thing that I will say is that with the lower wholesale rack prices and few constraints in the system, the availability of more low-priced barrels benefits everybody. And so, other low-priced competitors were able to acquire price at the rack low prices and be competitive on the street. And you compare that to an environment where the pipeline system open [indiscernible] etcetera, create constraint which elevate not only the low price, but the number of barrels available at the low price. That is a key form of value in our model where we're able to acquire product in at a lower price than others, even if the refined product market is long. So we had both the combination of a long environment and virtually no constraints in the system which created more of an equal playing field in that environment versus some of the periods we've seen in the past where tightness in the system actually helped us significantly because we had those proprietary barrels and those pipeline spaces.

Ben Bienvenu

Analyst · Stephens Inc

And then, shifting gears a little bit towards expenses for next year, it's a meaningful reduction relative to this last year. What are some of the specific aspects of your ability to achieve that reduction in dollars year over year that you are doing either at the corporate level or at the store level?

Andrew Clyde

Analyst · Stephens Inc

Most of this is at the store level and what we were able to do in 2015 is design and pilot our new-store operating practices that take better use of down time, follow standard operating procedures and optimize the work that's done by each cohort at the store. And what we will be rolling out division by division in 2016 is that program. And it was one of the things, frankly, when I joined in 2013 I felt, wow, this is probably a very low-cost model from a labor standpoint because there's not a lot of people working on the store at any given time. But when we got out in the field and did the time and motion study and looked at the inconsistencies and practices, we actually found a significant variability in how work was getting done and part of that is just a reflection of the growth trajectory the company had been on. And so, those turn out to be very meaningful reductions in hours on a per-site basis and a shift in the mix in the work. That also better positions us for some of the labor rate changes where if you are required to pay overtime on salaried employees over a certain level, we now have a much, much better handle on the store manager hours and how they spend their time and we can redirect that work to the most efficient employee at the site. We've also looked at the inventory at our stores and believe there will be a significant reduction, one, in working capital this year and again next year which will pay for most of the ASaP initiatives in total, but it also reduces the amount of inventory you have to count, the amount of inventory that will get damaged or might shrink or if there is a break-in and it gets stolen. And I can go on and on, but it's a lot of this fundamental blocking and tackling that we've been talking about for most of 2015 that we're going to be rolling out division by division. So I think if you listen to the comment about 2017, we will get to the full-year run rate by December, but even if we just stopped there, we would have benefits on top of that run rate in 2017 because you'd have the full-year run rate.

Ben Bienvenu

Analyst · Stephens Inc

And then just one last quick one for me, is there anything in terms of the operating landscape - I know it's ever changing and dynamic, but anything that's changed materially from quarter-to-date trends relative to the fourth quarter? And to the extent that you can talk about quarter-to-date trends, how does the business look?

Andrew Clyde

Analyst · Stephens Inc

As we noted, prices are down I think like $0.11 quarter to date or through the month of January. Average prices were up $0.13 last year. In the latter half of Q4, prices were relatively flat. So January was a down month compared to a relatively flat December would be more attractive from that standpoint. From a demand standpoint, our latest estimate is that in our markets demand in those states will improve about 3%. It's too early to get a handle on what demand on a macro basis is doing in January. Colonial Pipeline system was down for a couple of days this past week, but there's just so much inventory sitting out there, Ben, it's not going to have a major dent compared to a longer outage in a more normalized inventory environment.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Bonnie Herzog with Wells Fargo.

Bonnie Herzog

Analyst · Wells Fargo

So I guess, Andrew, I have a question on your PS&W business. I'm still having a really hard time forecasting this business and your reported gross margin dollars were actually negative last year which was well below your guidance and I know you suggested I think in your third quarter call that it would be below, but it was negative. So I guess I'm trying to understand how much visibility you really have in this business and how confident you are that you are going to achieve your guidance this year.

Andrew Clyde

Analyst · Wells Fargo

So let me describe how we make money in this part of our business and just put a little color around the piece parts. The first part is what we call our transfer to retail. It's the difference between where we buy product in the spot market on a proprietary barrel and where we sell it, using a transfer price of the [indiscernible]. So if you've got an environment in which you've got lots of product out there - high RINs, no constraints, there's more barrels being sold at the low price which brings that number down. So we've got a lot of transparency into that and those that have gone and modeled this part of our business look at those things, like the refining utilization, the inventory levels, the pipeline premiums, etc. So we have a good handle on it, but it's one of those things that you've got little control over that part of the market, from an ability to influence it. The benefit, though, is the RINs that you get from shipping your own barrel and, when there are constraints in the system, the additional uplift you have not only in the spot-to-rack prices, but the fact that if rack prices rise across the board because of the constraints, there are more high-priced barrels out there and your low-price position benefits you significantly. So there's a lot of upside associated with that. We've never tried to define how much of the spot-to-rack margin gets depressed because RIN prices are over $0.30 or $0.40 or $0.50 or $0.60, but we know that the behavior by the refiner marketers whose next best alternative is to dial back refinery runs which they are not going to do when crack spreads are high or look to export, especially if the export…

Bonnie Herzog

Analyst · Wells Fargo

So bottom line, it seems like, based on your comments about RINs and what you just discussed, your guidance seems to be pretty prudent, to some extent, at this point in the game this early in the year.

Andrew Clyde

Analyst · Wells Fargo

I think any time a CEO puts guidance out there and it's of this magnitude, especially when you look at the EBITDA growth, I'd call it more than prudent. I'd call it confident.

Bonnie Herzog

Analyst · Wells Fargo

And then one final question, if I may, on your tobacco business, you mentioned that you had a rebate in OTP, so I'd be curious to hear what this was. And would your tobacco contribution have been up without this? And then if there's a way to kind of drill down a little bit further on your new relationship with Core-Mark, you mentioned that it's going to be a positive impact, but is there a way to quantify how positive this will be for your tobacco business this year?

Mindy West

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Bonnie, to answer your question about the rebate, it was an overaccrual of some rebates that we discovered and corrected in the fourth quarter. Had we not had that charge, the contribution would have been closer to flat. It would not have been an increase.

Andrew Clyde

Analyst · Wells Fargo

With respect to Core-Mark, we did a 10-store pilot and then we've been rolling out the stores over the last few weeks. I was at the store yesterday in Florida and they were about to get their second order. You talk to the store managers, they are very pleased with how it's going and how the rollout is going. So we will be wrapped up with that shortly and so we will be accruing those benefits for most of - 11 out of the 12 months for the year. But they are very committed. We've established great relationships at the top and with all the division presidents. We had our national manager meeting in Orlando and most of the divisional presidents came out and met their regional director counterparts on our side and the whole set of things we're going to do to just continue to get this setup from the start in a very positive way, but we're excited about it and the potential and I believe they are as well.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Matthew Boss with JPMorgan.

Matthew Boss

Analyst · JPMorgan

So first question on the fuel margin, could you just walk us through in a little bit more detail some of the specific improvement initiatives that really give you this comfort and confidence raising the long term fuel margin outlook?

Andrew Clyde

Analyst · JPMorgan

Sure. So there's a number of things going on in kind of the market landscape. We're seeing higher margins on diesel and as we continue to add new stores, we're going to have more of the pumps selling diesel and we're also increasing our diesel price signs on stores and so a lot of that is going to be execution to take advantage of the trend out there. And so, we will just have a higher pool margin as a result of that. We've looked at the pricing of our midgrade and premium products in the marketplace and we will have optimized the spreads and how you manage the spreads in rising and falling markets to eke out some more pool margin from the mid and premium grade products which are actually selling more of in a lowest price environment, so that in and of itself contributes to the higher margin, although that part of it is not as sustainable because that will go away when prices go back up to $4.00. We've instituted a new best buying system that we're piloting with our carriers called Tele-point that allows us to better optimize where stores get their loads from and have higher assurance that, when dispatched, those carriers will go to those stores and we've also developed a mid-office risk management capability where we're able to purchase using Nymex contracts to set the price, where we were having to go through a very limited number of counterparties in the past and we expect that the flow through as well. So it's a lot of small pieces that add up to that $0.0025, but as we know, $0.0025 on 4 billion gallons is worth about $10 million.

Matthew Boss

Analyst · JPMorgan

And then just a follow-up on capital allocation, when are you actually able to be back in the market again buying back shares? Any governor on the amount of buyback this year as it relates to the $500 million authorization? And then, finally, I'd just be curious Andrew, your thoughts in general on the value of your stock today.

Mindy West

Analyst · JPMorgan

The next open window would be this next Monday where we could be in the market. And as to amount and how much of the $500 million we would allocate and spend in 2016, we would have to measure that against the opportunity set and if we were to see some growth opportunities that exceeded our hurdle rates, then we would deploy capital that way, so really it's just opportunity driven, as well as stock price driven.

Andrew Clyde

Analyst · JPMorgan

In terms of value of the stock, when we started this call it was down about $3.00; now it's down about $1.50, so it's improved. We've got a shareholder value model that's not dissimilar from all the ones that you guys produce and when you share data on that in the form of the multiples and the unit margins we're projecting for the long-run business, you get numbers that are in line with your price targets. There's a big range there based on your unit margin projection. It gets bid up when we have a period like January of last year where people were project long-run margins well above $0.13. You would have to believe they would be north of $0.14. When they get bid down like they were in the middle of the year when the stock was back to below $50, then you have to project long-run margins of $0.11. So there's a lot of movement in the stock which I think is just a function of kind of short term views of the long-run projection that get raised up and down, but there's a midpoint in there and we know what that is and we will be prudent about how and when we buy our shares based on that.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Damian Witkowski with Gabelli & Co.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst · Gabelli & Co

Andrew, I want to stick with a view of volumes and just sort of try to reconcile the difference between the market growth and your own same-store sales results. And I think if I understand correctly, you said that in your markets and I'm not sure how you measure it, but overall fuel volume demand - or fuel demand increased about 3% in 2015. Yet if I look at your same-store sales, they are down. And I'm just not sure if it's just simply because you are cannibalizing your own stores, if there's that much more new competition entering the market or is it the fact that you serve the Walmart consumer and maybe as fuel prices decline, they actually have more money in their pockets and they buy more at a single shopping trip and, as a result, don't go to Walmart as often as they used to. So just help me try to understand the difference.

Andrew Clyde

Analyst · Gabelli & Co

Absolutely. So market demand affects the whole market, but then you've got to divide that by the number of sites. And so for us to grow 3.6% when the overall market grew 3% is clearly a function of the fact that we added 73 sites over a base of 1,260-something sites. But good competitors aren't sitting still. They are building new sites as well and so if we build one next to one of their stores, they are going to lose a little volume. If they build one next to one of our stores, they are going to gain volume in the chain because they added a new store, but it's going to take away a little of our volume. So when you kind of march out over time, on a per-store basis what you see is a small decrement in the existing stores offset by improved per-store volumes from the new stores that we're building. And when you look at the same-store decrements, you've got to get into market-by-market specifics. Some of it is a new competitor has come in. In other cases, two weaker competitors may have closed. We also have made the refresh improvements where we're starting to see a slight uptick in volumes at those stores that really haven't been touched in over a decade, in most cases. So, this is a business where your existing stores are going to fight and claw onto their existing volume. You've got to continue to invest in them, innovate. To your point on the consumer, on the margin the price sensitivity for gasoline declines at these price levels. So the customer on the margin isn't going to go quite as far out of their way to get that lower price, compared to if gasoline was at $4 a gallon. So when we finished the year down less than 1%, you attribute it to the fact that we didn't repeat the Q4 where we grew volumes. I think the number was close to 1.7% in that quarter. We didn't repeat the summer discount program from the year before. I think we were being pretty scrappy at our existing sites to maintain that level. The other thing I would point you to is the amount of emphasis placed on a plus or minus 1% change in per-store volume relative to the improvements that we have talked about in our merchandise contribution and the store operating expense improvements. So if you think about your overall competitiveness, you are much more profitable at every one of those stores as a result of those fundamental improvements to your business which then allows you the opportunities to continue to reinvest in that business and sustain that volume for longer.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst · Gabelli & Co

And then, Andrew, now that you are sort of done with Walmart, at least for now, any changes to your pricing strategy at the pump? And I guess what I'm really getting at, would you actually consider maybe becoming more aggressive and trying to maximize the gross margin a little bit more now that you don't have to worry about as much as to what Walmart does?

Andrew Clyde

Analyst · Gabelli & Co

Walmart has no influence on how we price.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst · Gabelli & Co

Okay, but I would imagine that - if you were hoping to get a next bunch of stores open, you would actually make sure you kept your prices low, simply because you wanted to measure the understood - the benefit you were providing them. But it doesn't sound like you are really looking at changing your strategy at the pump in terms of pricing at this point.

Andrew Clyde

Analyst · Gabelli & Co

No, we follow the rules of price elasticity to set our price. And if you attract the bottom of the market price-sensitive consumer with the right low price, you are going to get this much higher per-store volume. And if you start pricing $0.01 or $0.02 above that which I think may be what you were suggesting, when you are the low-price guy and you lose your low-price position, in the short term you may gain some gross margin dollars, but you quickly bleed off volume and you lose that advantage over time. It is a recipe for disaster. And our relationship with Walmart or the position of that has nothing to do with how we set the price. We're positioned where there's a lot of low-price conscious customers and you attract them with a low price. It's as simple as that.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from [indiscernible] with HighTower.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

It's Pamela Rosenau [ph], as you know. I always believe that over the long term rationality prevails and I wonder - we talked qualitatively in your previous call about Walmart and about particularly your barriers to entry, your capabilities that are very, very hard to replicate. I wonder at seven times cash flow which is where your retail fuel business is selling now, what would it cost them to replicate your business? I would imagine it would cost much more than that. If you could elucidate on that for me, thank you.

Andrew Clyde

Analyst · Stephens Inc

I haven't looked at what it would take them to do it and I don't know what their specific goals and objectives are in terms of how far they want to build out their capability in this business, so I really, really can't answer that. As I think I commented to your question on the prior call, some of the capabilities we had have taken a really long time to develop and are harder to replicate. Clearly, there's others in this business that don't have those fuel supply-chain capabilities, but they are really good retailers with their big-box food service offers and they have an advantage over us in that regards. So I don't know what their proposed secret sauce is on how they are going to have a distinctive competitive model. You'll have to ask them.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Bob Summers with Macquarie.

Bob Summers

Analyst · Macquarie

Just a couple of things. Bigger step back, given sort of the limited view that we have in the historical operating figures, can you just broadly characterize how you would expect this business to perform in a weak or even recessionary economic environment?

Andrew Clyde

Analyst · Macquarie

I think in a weak recessionary environment, consumers become more frugal, not less frugal. The question is, is that going to be with high fuel prices, like we saw coming out of 2008 and 2009 or is it going to be at today's sub-$30 crude oil prices which they may behave a little bit differently? As I've stated before, I don't think the low and lower middle income consumers have frankly benefited as much from this recovery. And so, I think if we went into kind of a weaker recessionary period, I don't think you would see as much change for them because they didn't benefit as much as the middle to upper income consumer categories. I think certainly from a merchandise sales standpoint, when we look at our data, people will buy more single serves than caseload items and we're well positioned to do that. And certainly from a cost standpoint, our expectation is we've got to more than beat inflation year on year and we've continued to do that in that environment. And so, I think this business actually fares well in that environment. I think the big difference between this environment, if you believe you are headed into a recession versus some of the other ones, is the absolute level of fuel prices and so we'll have to see how that plays out.

Bob Summers

Analyst · Macquarie

Okay. And then, just it seems that there were unseen externalities with the Walmart relationship, whether it was cost per pad or an unfavorable portfolio mix. My sense is that as you get into 2018 and beyond, that return on capital per store or at the store level should get better. Is that the right way to think about how you evolve over a longer term from where you are today?

Andrew Clyde

Analyst · Macquarie

I think it's going to be the same to potentially better. Certainly, the price we would've paid had we had the opportunity would have reflected all the risk, etc., in some of the markets that we wouldn't be going into on our own and so we always had a return threshold in mind. I think with a focus on, okay, we can now cherry pick, if you will, the locations, we're going to aim to have a higher return and leverage our supply capabilities and get the uplift on that. Certainly if you are going only into the better markets, your average cost per real estate transaction may be a little bit higher and that could have some impact on the returns. So I would say at least as good, if not better.

Bob Summers

Analyst · Macquarie

Okay. And then the last one, more maintenance oriented. What was the EBITDA attached to the pipeline system that you are selling?

Mindy West

Analyst · Macquarie

It was around $7 million for this year.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Carla Casella with JPMorgan.

Carla Casella

Analyst · JPMorgan

Does the pipeline sale have any effect on the RIN as well?

Andrew Clyde

Analyst · JPMorgan

It doesn't. It's a crude pipeline. It was associated with the old Murphy Oil Meraux refinery.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Chip Saye with AWH Capital.

Austin Hopper

Analyst · AWH Capital

It's Austin Hopper. Thanks for taking my questions. Andrew, I thought you mentioned that you don't expect an enhanced fuel program in 2016. What does that mean and how does that impact your business?

Andrew Clyde

Analyst · AWH Capital

Given we didn't have it in 2015, I don't think it impacts kind of relative comps year on year like it did in 2015 when it was comping against a program in 2014. We've consistently said that we need to have a consistent competitive fuel program. Certainly there are grocery stores out there that do high/low pricing, like Kroger, Safeway, others have that program, but there is others that are more everyday low priced, like HEB, that don't have a fuel rewards program. And so, we're going to continue to work on our own to identify what do we think is an attractive option and we will continue to collaborate with Walmart around their card programs which will continue to be accepted at our 1,111 Murphy USA stores that we have. So I really don't see a whole lot of impact in 2016 vis-a-vis 2015 at this time.

Operator

Operator

And I'm not showing any further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to our host.

Andrew Clyde

Analyst · Stephens Inc

Great. Thank you all for joining. I know this was a busy couple of weeks, a lot of announcements that have gone out. I think we provided a lot of clarity on our new independent growth plan, our confidence behind it. I hope you also took away from this call and the guidance the work that we were doing in 2015 that sets up this guidance for 2016 and beyond and that this is a very strong company with a bright future with a long term commitment to our shareholders. So with that, we thank you and please call us if you have any further questions. Have a great day.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's presentation. You may now disconnect and have a wonderful day.