NBT Bancorp Inc. (NBTB) Q2 2026 Earnings Report, Transcript and Summary
NBT Bancorp Inc. (NBTB)
Q2 2026 Earnings Call· Tue, Jul 28, 2026
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NBT Bancorp Inc. Q2 2026 Earnings Call Transcript
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Operator
Operator
2 Good day, everyone. Welcome to the conference call covering NBT Bancorp's Second Quarter 26 Financial Results. This call is being recorded and has been made accessible to the public in accordance with SEC Regulation FD. Corresponding presentation slides can be found on the company's website at nbtbancorp.com. Before the call begins, NBT management would like to remind listeners that as noted on Slide 2, today's presentation may contain forward-looking statements as defined in the Securities and Exchange Commission. Actual results may differ from those projected. In addition, certain non-GAAP measures will be discussed Reconciliations for these numbers are contained within the appendix of today's presentation. Currently, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. Instructions will follow at that time. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to NBT Bancorp President and CEO, Scott A. Kingsley, for his opening remarks. Mr. Kingsley, please begin.
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Scott A. Kingsley
President and CEO
Thank you, Sherry. Good morning, and welcome to this earnings call covering NBT Bancorp's second quarter 2026 results. With me today are Annette L. Burns, NBT's Chief Financial Officer Joe Stagliano, President of NBT Bank; and Joe Ondesko, our Treasurer. We are pleased with our solid operating performance for the second quarter. Which demonstrated the strength and momentum of NBT's diversified financial service franchise. We generated significantly stronger earnings than in the prior year quarter, grew loans across every business line, and expanded our net interest margin to 3.73%, an increase of 14 basis points from 1 year ago. More than a year after completing the acquisition of Evans Bancorp, we continued to benefit from the talented team members strong customer relationships, and established market presence. The acquisition created a strong foundation for our franchise in Buffalo and Rochester, and we have continued to build on that momentum by expanding opportunities for our customers through NBT's broader capabilities and ongoing growth initiatives. During the second quarter, the Buffalo region generated the highest loan origination volume across our franchise. As we mentioned in our first quarter conference call, the difficult winter conditions impacted loan activity across our markets and we experienced a higher than expected level of commercial real estate payoffs in the first quarter. Since then, activity levels have been quite good and we have achieved growth of 2.4% in total loans for the first half of 2026. Operating return on assets was 1.32% for the second quarter with operating return on tangible equity of 15.61%. These metrics represent continued meaningful improvement over the prior year and have provided incremental capital flexibility. Our tangible book value per share of $27.71 at quarter end was 12.8% higher than a year ago. Our capital utilization priorities remain focused on supporting organic growth while continuing our long standing commitment to annual dividend improvement. Accordingly, we are pleased to announce that we have increased our quarterly cash dividend for the 14th consecutive year. At $0.40 per share for the third quarter of 26 this increase of 8.1% over the prior year quarter affirms our continued commitment to providing favorable long term returns to our shareholders. In addition, our strong capital levels continue to allow us to evaluate a variety of strategic opportunities as well as opportunistic share repurchases including 318 thousand shares purchased in the first half of 26. Momentum across Upstate New York's semiconductor corridor continues to build. Construction activity at the Micron site near Syracuse has advanced meaningfully, and we are beginning to see related opportunities materialize across infrastructure, construction, and professional services throughout the region. In addition to activity at the site itself, there is increasing focus on housing and community development initiatives designed to support workforce needs. Taken together, these investments reinforce our positive outlook for long term economic growth across Central New York. More broadly, we remain encouraged by the opportunities we see across our 7-state footprint. Through support of economic development projects, customer expansion activity, and our own recently announced investments in new locations in the Rochester and Southern Maine markets we continue to position NBT for sustainable growth while supporting the communities we serve. With strong balance sheet fundamentals, healthy loan growth, and continued momentum across our franchise, we are well positioned going into the second half of 2026. I will now turn the meeting over to Annette to review our second quarter results with you in detail. Annette?
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Annette L. Burns
Chief Financial Officer
Thank you, Scott, and good morning. Turning to the results overview page of our earnings presentation, we reported quarterly net income of $53 million or $1.2 per diluted common share. Compared to the second quarter of 2025, we have improved operating earnings by 15%. Earnings benefited from record revenues, driven by net interest margin expansion, loan growth and strong contributions from our noninterest income sources. We continue to generate year over year positive operating leverage during the quarter, with revenue growth of 9% outpacing expense growth of 6%. Turning to loans on the next page, Total loans ended the quarter at $11.9 billion increasing $276 million or 2.4% from 12/31/2025. All business lines experienced growth with commercial loans increasing $178 million and consumer loans increasing $98 million during the first 6 months of the year. The increase in commercial loans was well balanced between C and I and CRE relationships with all markets across our footprint experiencing positive customer activity and contributing to the growth. Commercial loan payoffs remained elevated compared to last year, but decreased from the prior quarter. On Page 6, total deposits were $13.5 billion at quarter end and increased modestly from year end levels. Deposits declined $106 million from 3/31/2026, primarily due to expected seasonal municipal outflows. Municipal deposit balances typically bill during the first and third quarters with tax collection activity and decline as funds are dispersed, resulting in seasonal fluctuations throughout the year. We have maintained a strong funding profile with almost 60% of total deposits in no and low cost checking and savings accounts at a blended cost of just under 40 basis points. Total deposit costs declined by 1 basis point during the quarter to 1.33%, while the total cost of funds declined to 1.41%. From year end levels, we have experienced a favorable change in our mix of deposits out of higher cost time deposits and into checking, savings, and money market products. We continue to tactically manage funding strategies to grow relationships while still maintaining better than peer cost of funds. The next slide highlights changes in net interest income and margin. Our net interest margin increased to a record net interest income increased to a record $137 million up $3 million from the first quarter and more than 10% above the second quarter of 2025. The increase from the first quarter driven by organic growth in interest earning assets and a decrease in funding costs. Along with the benefit of 1 additional calendar day in the quarter. Net interest margin increased 1 basis point to 3.73% compared with the prior quarter. Our balance sheet remains well positioned across a variety of interest rate environments and continues to demonstrate relative relatively low sensitivity to rate changes. The opportunity for further upward movement in earning asset yields and net interest margin will largely depend on the shape of the yield curve, with the reinvestment of loan and investment portfolio cash flows. The trends in non interest income are outlined on page 8. Excluding securities gains, our fee income was $49.6 million consistent with the prior quarter and increased 5.8% from the second quarter of 2025. Growth was led by retirement plan administration revenue, which increased 7.8% from the prior year. Combined revenues from the retirement plan services, wealth management, and insurance services generated more than $32 million in quarterly revenues. Noninterest income represented approximately 27% of total revenues in the second quarter, and reflects the strength of our diversified revenue base. Total operating expenses declined 0.7% from the prior quarter. Salaries and employee benefit costs were $69 million a modest increase from the prior quarter. This increase was primarily driven by the full quarter impact of merit increases implemented in March, 1 additional payroll day, and higher medical costs partially offset by lower payroll taxes and stock based compensation costs which are seasonally higher in the first quarter. The quarter over quarter decrease in occupancy expenses was expected, driven by the decline in seasonal costs. Primarily maintenance and utilities. Slide 10 provides an overview of key asset quality metrics. Provision expense for the 3 months ended 6/30/2026, was $6.1 million compared to $5.6 million for the first quarter of 26. The increase in the provision for loan losses during the quarter was primarily due to providing for the second quarter's loan growth. Reserves were 1.18% of total loans, and covered more than 2x the level of nonperforming loans. Our second quarter results continued our positive momentum over the last several quarters with quality earnings and strong activity levels across all our markets. And business lines. We continue to benefit from a diversified balance sheet strong fee based businesses, disciplined risk management, and ample capital levels. We remain well positioned to support our customers, invest in our franchise and create long term value for our shareholders. Thank you for your interest in our results. At this time, we welcome any questions you may have.
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Operator
Thank you. To ask a question, please press *1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, press *1 again. And our first question will come from the line of Feddie Strickland with Hovde Group. Your line is open.
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Feddie Strickland
Analyst · Hovde Group. Your line is open
Hey, good morning, Scott and Annette. Just congratulations on your family addition. Thank you very much. I wanted to start on loans. Pretty positive step up in growth in the second quarter, really healthy amount of commercial in particular. I mean, Scott, based on your opening comments, is it fair to expect maybe a step up in net new growth in the second half?
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Scott A. Kingsley
President and CEO
So thanks for the question. And I think if you heard from us in the first quarter what we said was we thought there were some delays in both loan closings and activity in the first quarter. Some of that weather related and some of that just timing. So I am not sure we can replicate second quarter growth activity, but I think the first half is indicative of what we are really capable of thinking about for the balance of the year and more on a go forward trend basis. So really good activity on both the CRE and C and I opportunities. Our second quarter was also pretty robust on the indirect auto growth side auto sales were really, really strong in the second quarter, and we participated in that strong growth. I would not think that on the indirect auto side, the second half would be as quite as strong as we enjoyed in the second quarter. Got it. In all indirect auto, I noticed the new origination yields had stepped down a decent bit. Is that just competitive pressures there? Or what was more of the driver? Yeah. Yeah. I think your observation is correct. I think that competitive. But remember that asset class is really a good spot for us because it is a very fast turning low duration portfolio. And if you compare that to other opportunities that we have to deploy some of our net liquidity on our balance sheet, Something that has a yield north of 5% in very, very desirable loss characteristics with a 24 to 36 month expected duration is really, really positive.
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Feddie Strickland
Analyst · Hovde Group. Your line is open
Got it. And if I can just squeeze in 1 more. Just wanted to ask maybe where you see the most opportunity for organic fill in across the footprint. I think you talked about maybe some opportunities in New England last quarter. I am just curious if you are seeing maybe some areas where you could pick up talent.
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Scott A. Kingsley
President and CEO
Yeah. So good question again. And Joe and his teams on the bank side have really been focused on that in a number of spots where we have had activities whether they be other M&A activities where there is been some disruption or to your point just sort of natural fill in growth. So we have made some commitments in South of Portland. We had a new branch that we opened earlier in the year, and we have plans to do another 1 in early 27. We are looking at some continued opportunities in Southern New Hampshire, again to better place ourselves from a branding standpoint in those markets because they are doing quite well as at the same. I think we have also made some that we have committed to 2 sites in the Greater Rochester market in fairness, are probably looking at a couple more. And we did not have representation sort of in the city or the city side in Rochester, so we were focused on that. there is some other opportunities in some community South Of Rochester that really fit our business model well. So we will spend some additional time looking there. Broadly, you know, filling in what is now a Buffalo, New York to Portland, Maine, Wilkes Barre Pennsylvania to Burlington franchise. there is plenty of opportunities for enhancement of that you know, from a geographic fill in. And we do think that we are landing some additional people from banks our size and larger. Think that our platform is something that they can thrive in and grow with.
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Feddie Strickland
Analyst · Hovde Group. Your line is open
Alright. Great. Thank you for the color and for hosting us today.
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Scott A. Kingsley
President and CEO
Appreciate the questions.
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. 1 moment for our next question. And that will come from the line of Matthew Breese with Stephens. Your line is open.
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Matthew Breese
Analyst · Stephens. Your line is open
Hey, good morning. Annette, you talked about the margin, the yield curve a little bit. Just curious what the NIM outlook is from here. And then within that, kind of expectations for deposit costs and loan yields given intensifying competition and some of the new origination data provided in the deck.
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Annette L. Burns
Chief Financial Officer
Sure, Matthew. Happy to unpack that for you. So when we think about looking forward, our originations are probably going to be probably more concentrated in commercial, you know, a little bit in resi mortgage. And those still have the opportunity to reprice upward. We do think that there is competition in our markets So some of that upward opportunity is probably going to be influenced by some tightening or some, you know, acquisition costs related to deposit costs. But given where the yield curve is today, we still think there is some opportunity for some modest margin improvement over the next couple of quarters, just given where the interest rates are today. So, kind of a little few positive points of margin expansion over the next couple of quarters.
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Matthew Breese
Analyst · Stephens. Your line is open
If you look at the spot cost deposits, at period end versus the average, are you starting to see an inflection there, or do you see 1 by the end of the year?
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Scott A. Kingsley
President and CEO
it is a really good question I will start on this 1. Scott cost and where we are, are so close to what quarterly results were. But in terms of initiating new customer relationships, they are coming with a slightly higher cost on a blended basis which makes it so incumbent on us to continue to open no cost or low cost checking. And we are focused on that. We have really good programs for that. We have grown those balances this year productively while we have been able to sort of separate ourselves from some higher yielding CD, whether that is on the personal side or on the business side. So I think the direction we are going, going to that side I think our markets are definitely competitive, and I think there is other people that have looked at our markets and said, not only us, but some of our competition have really effectively managed funding costs for a long period of time, so there might be some opportunities for somebody else from a share take standpoint. But we are actually seeing really responsible activities across most of our markets. So that person who is if somebody's gonna try to take a little bit of share, that has not been widespread. And I think quite frankly, like us, most people are tactically managing their funding costs on a very, very granular level.
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Matthew Breese
Analyst · Stephens. Your line is open
Understood. Okay. Couple others. First, just expenses came in a little bit better. Than I was expecting and I guess it should not be a surprise. Occupancy costs were down quite a bit given the winter. Maybe just talk a little bit about the ins and outs this quarter and expectations for the remainder of the year. I think we had talked about maybe 3% year over year growth in maybe just a little bit about that.
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Annette L. Burns
Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, sure, Matthew. So, you know, as a reminder, probably the back half of the year, we are going to see an additional payroll day, so that is gonna influence the next the next 2 quarters. And then, you know, probably seeing some increased activities associated with just revenue growth in the market and associated incentive compensation with that and as well as some technology investments So we will probably see some creep in our OpEx on a quarter to quarter basis. But still in that 2.5% to 3% target for the year.
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Matthew Breese
Analyst · Stephens. Your line is open
Okay. And then the last 1 is just it struck me as odd just given market dynamics that wealth management fees were down a little bit this quarter. A lot of your peers are kind of up, and I was curious if there was anything you know, onetime in there or unusual in there or maybe just timing based on the way fees are calculated. that is all I had. Thanks.
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Annette L. Burns
Chief Financial Officer
Yeah. Great question. There was some timing related to some activity based fees, which were a little bit stronger in the last 2 quarters than what we saw in this quarter. As well as some personnel open positions looking to hire. So that had a little bit of impact on our expectations around production. So that had an influence on the quarter as well for Wealth Management.
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Matthew Breese
Analyst · Stephens. Your line is open
Great. I will leave it there. Thank you.
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Scott A. Kingsley
President and CEO
Thanks, Matthew.
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Operator
Thank you. And our next question will come from the line of Manuel Navas with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.
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Manuel Navas
Analyst · Piper Sandler. Your line is open
Hey. I understand deposits declined a bit on seasonality. But what is kind of your thoughts on the deposit pipeline going forward? How are you converting your strong C and I growth into deposits? Anything you could add on color on that front?
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Scott A. Kingsley
President and CEO
Yes. So thanks for the question. I will start with that. So you are spot on. C and I growth opens up that opportunity for us to introduce our very robust treasury management platform. And our success rate relative to that is very, very high. So our customers think that is a very valuable tool for them. Let's help them manage their funds. So at some point in time, you know, when we see customers move certain of their excess balances into something with a little bit higher yield, we should not be surprised because the tool is quite frankly very intuitive for that. But that being said, makes the relationship very, very sticky. And with that focus, on the C and I side, quite frankly, we think the to capitalize on deposit opportunities probably everybody as good as it is on the lending side.
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Manuel Navas
Analyst · Piper Sandler. Your line is open
Do you do you have a sense of how much was funded so far and how much could be funded in the future? Just kind of your projections around deposits that follow this loan growth?
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Scott A. Kingsley
President and CEO
Yeah. it is it is a it is a bit of a you know, when you open a new relationship, it is a bit of a longer cycle. I think the world has sort of commented to this that takes a while to move your relationship, especially a business banking or a commercial relationship. So we do think that there is more to come with the success of new account openings. what is that period from an elongation standpoint, you know, probably measured in quarters, not weeks and days. But there should be more there. We kinda look at it this way to say, you know, net new accounts on the commercial and business banking side will ultimately result in deposit growth. Over time, you know, because as customers tend to have, you know, productive profitable businesses, you know, they tend to leave a lot of that in the business for future investment opportunities. So we do think that is an important 1. It does not really matter whether it is the commercial side of the house or the personal side of the house. Checking is the lead product. And that is what we are really good at, and that is what we are really focused on how we incentivize our folks. So, you know, I think we feel really good about the initiatives that are in place to continue to grow there.
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Manuel Navas
Analyst · Piper Sandler. Your line is open
Appreciate that. Thank you. I will hold. I will jump back into the queue. Thank you.
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press *1. And our next question will come from the line of Jacob Civiello with D.A. Davidson. Your line is open.
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Jacob Civiello
Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is open
Hey. Good morning, Scott. Good morning, Annette. Hey, good morning, Jacob. Last quarter, you talked about maybe a dozen customers securing contracts associated with the Micron project. And I heard your positive take on the pace of construction progress in your prepared remarks. But do you have any other thoughts on an update on the direct customer impact this quarter?
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Scott A. Kingsley
President and CEO
Good question. I do not, Jacob. I think it is pretty much the same. You know, those things that, you know, because it is site preparation, in the early stages of construction, you know, I think those gains for our customers, you know, continue they continue to work through that. I think what is probably next in line is this continued focus or this renewed focus on workforce planning. So whether that is on the training side, we have customers who provide those types of services, or if it is on the housing development side. You know, so there is there is been a community development fund that has been funded by several constituencies in our markets including us. And so that is getting a little bit more attention as, you know, some of the dates for the need for additional people in the marketplace becomes slightly more certain. You know, the folks from Micron really have not changed their outline, you know, too radically different. it is it is site preparation now. You know, they are pouring a little cement. it is still in the ground next year to build up toward the, you know, production in 2030. So that really has not changed. But to your point, additional contracts you know, the Micron has hired the national firm Bechtel to manage the build out of the actual chip fab facility itself. So they are beginning to start to do, you know, some awards. And a lot of those awards today are being awarded to businesses in Central And Upstate New York.
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Jacob Civiello
Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is open
No. that is great. Great to hear. Is there anything anecdotal that you are hearing with respect to workforce housing for any of the necessary construction housing for the influx of people that are coming over the course of the next couple of years?
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Scott A. Kingsley
President and CEO
Good question, Jacob. And you know, what we are hearing today is that we just know that our region historically has been a little slow to approve projects. You know, you know, Greater New York State or Upstate New York has that reputation. True or not, but it is something that the you know, the folks from an industrial development standpoint are working on diligently. We have not seen the launch of any real substantive new housing, but we are getting opportunities to look at plans for some multifamily housing in the market. Similar to what we experienced in the Greater Saratoga market you know, with the build out of global foundries over the last you know, 5 to 7 years.
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Jacob Civiello
Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is open
Okay. Great. Thank you, Scott. Shifting gears, any thoughts on the sequential increase in the securities portfolio on an absolute dollar basis? And then you expect that the yield on that portfolio can continue to increase in the back half of the year given your current purchase yields?
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Annette L. Burns
Chief Financial Officer
So where we are, we did do a little bit of I do not want to call it pre investing, but we knew what our cash flows were for 2026 and we did take the opportunity to get in front of that So we do think that, you know, that our activity, our growth activity in the second quarter is not likely to represent where we are in the third and the fourth from a net growth in the portfolio. That being said, where the portfolio sits today, we are in that ballpark of $350 million to $400 million of expected cash flows on a 12-month basis. And because we did not do a restructuring, new yields are better than portfolio yields. So it is not unreasonable to think that the average yield on that portfolio will continue to increase assuming rates stay stable.
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Scott A. Kingsley
President and CEO
Oh, for sure, Jacob. Absolutely.
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Jacob Civiello
Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is open
Yeah. Okay. And last question for me. I know you speak a bit about expenses already, but it was nice to see the efficiency ratio back below 60% in the quarter. Do you think you can maintain the efficiency ratio at or below that level in the back half of the year?
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Annette L. Burns
Chief Financial Officer
So I would say simplistically, yes. I think we have opportunity in the back half of the year. We typically see our fee based businesses have a strong third quarter and some of that expense follows along with that. But generally, with where our net interest margin is today, and our fee based businesses able to grow in that mid single digits and how we are managing our operating costs, think that is a good place for us to be.
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Scott A. Kingsley
President and CEO
And I will add to that and, Jacob, you have heard this from us it will probably sound like a broken record. But we aspire to just grow revenues faster than we grow expenses. And, you know, and over the last sort of 6 quarters, certainly improvement in net interest margin has aided that efforts noticeably. But you know, regardless of the interest rate environment, that is the tack we take from a management standpoint.
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Jacob Civiello
Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Your line is open
Great. Thank you.
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Scott A. Kingsley
President and CEO
Thanks, Jacob.
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Operator
And we do have a follow-up question that will come from the line of Manuel Navas with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.
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Manuel Navas
Analyst · Piper Sandler. Your line is open
Hey. Post-call, stronger growth was in the second quarter with a little bit of delayed closings. If growth normalizes a little bit, could you see the buyback tick back up? Can you just talk about the appetite for the buyback? Given expected growth in a quarter?
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Scott A. Kingsley
President and CEO
Yes. So good question and thanks for asking. Our thought process there has been and I think we have said this before is where we are today from a run rate of EPS generation at $4 or a little above and a dividend payout of $0.40 a quarter, You know, we are accumulating about a $125 million of capital a year. That supports a lot of organic growth, certainly at a level meaningfully above where we are today, even despite having a really strong second quarter. So we are focused on that first. And, you know, I do think as it relates to the buyback, you know, we, you know, we like to think of that as an opportunistic way to return, you know, to return proceeds to shareholders. But it is never been the primary source of EPS growth for us. And I kind of think we think about it this way, we work so hard and diligently to generate that capital. We are gonna be very disciplined of how, actually, how we deploy it and use it, including disciplined around the entry points for share buybacks. The authorization is out there. It may make perfect sense for us to continue to utilize that at various levels of our share price. But we are diligent about how we think about that.
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Manuel Navas
Analyst · Piper Sandler. Your line is open
I appreciate that update. Thank you.
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Operator
Operator
As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press *1. I am not showing any further questions. Actually, we do have a follow-up from Matthew Breese with Stephens.
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Matthew Breese
Analyst · Stephens
Your line is open. Sorry for the little bit of a pause there, but nobody asked it, so I will. Scott, I felt like you hinted a little bit about filling in between the various geographies, and I am curious what that meant in terms of updated thoughts around M&A. it is been kind of slow activity wise in the Northeast, Mid Atlantic. And I am curious if, you know, conversations are mimicking that. Meaning, conversations are slow as well from your end.
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Scott A. Kingsley
President and CEO
Yeah, Matthew. So thanks for asking, by the way. We will accept the amount of hesitation to answer that 1. So our approach has not changed radically different. You know, we are in the market talking to like smaller community banks all the time. So we are in front of, you know, a dozen, 15 people a year in our markets I do not think there is a ton of activity. I think a lot of people even at the smaller size are doing fairly well right now. So there is not something that is driving that immediate need in terms of, you know, operating difficulty. That being said, I think there is a lot of people that are doing forward planning on succession, and I think there is a lot of people doing forward planning on technology investments. And I think both of those create an opportunity for us. You know our approach because we have talked about this before, which is all we want to make sure is we are in front of people so that they know the opportunity so that if some point in time independence is not in their future, they understand the value proposition for their company and their shareholders with NBT. So yeah. that is what we kind of lean on. But, yes, we are active in the market. You know, there is been a handful of transactions in our markets over the last 3 to 6 months. You know, some of those, you know, we have done some analysis on it and others we have not. You know, what is happened so far has not been the perfect fit for us. Another thing when you think about a fill in strategy, our aspiration is to be in the top 3 in market share in most of the markets we participate over a period of time. So when you get to that point, adding an additional franchise sometimes has a concentration issue attached to it. There were a couple of transactions in our markets that were really not for us. Because we were going to have market concentration issues. And, frankly, we probably would not do a transaction where we had to embrace divestiture of anything. You know, usually at the size that we are interested in, you know, doing that is something that is really, really difficult. it is hard enough to do an M&A transaction. Thinking about how to split the franchise because there is an overlap from a regulatory standpoint. it is not something we are good at and we do not have a lot of experience at. Are we in the field talking to people and, you know, understanding where their needs are in the next 2 to 5 years, absolutely, all the time.
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Matthew Breese
Analyst · Stephens
that is all I had. Appreciate it. Thank you.
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Scott A. Kingsley
President and CEO
Thank you, Matthew.
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. And we do have a question from the line of Daniel Cardenas with Janney Montgomery. Your line is open.
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Daniel Cardenas
Analyst · Daniel Cardenas with Janney Montgomery. Your line is open
Good morning, guys. Good morning. So just a quick follow-up question on the M&A strategy there. If you could remind us what is the size range of institution that you would be looking for?
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Scott A. Kingsley
President and CEO
Good question. I think that, Daniel, we kind of think about something has to be large enough for us to deploy the organization. And the analysis and the integration. And so the size of Salisbury Bank a couple years ago and Evans last year met that criteria, you know, spot on. So something that is, you know, a billion dollars to $3 billion you know, definitely in our in our sweet spot. And something we think the organization can handle while it is still aspiring to have organic growth at the same time. You know, in certain situations where if an organization was a little smaller than that, but maybe they had a unique noninterest income offering, whether that is on the insurance or wealth side, or the benefits side, yeah, we would absolutely look at that. But, again, you know, you know, deploying our folks and taking them away from their natural activities is something we do think about you know, when we go through that. You know, do we do some analysis on stuff that is a little bit larger? We probably do. I think right now, you know, we are we are we are really, really good at M&A. And I think that takes an effort. Both on the, you know, structural side as well as the integration and follow-up side. So our people have done a great job and, you know, we have really acquired some really, really talented people in the last you know, 4 years. So we are always interested in that because we are always interested in adding talented people to our organization. And if that fits some of our geographic strategy, better yet.
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Daniel Cardenas
Analyst · Daniel Cardenas with Janney Montgomery. Your line is open
Okay. Good. Good. And then it sounds like you are in various stages of conversation, some release, some maybe a little bit further along. But can you comment on kind of the buyer seller disconnect in terms of if there is a disconnect? I am a complete believer in that organizations that are sellers make the choice as to when they wanna do that.
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Scott A. Kingsley
President and CEO
You know, and we are okay with that. I mean, if somebody's pursuing an independent strategy, great, and so are we. Like, that is similar to us. So, you know, we are we are we understand that. When circumstances for either succession or technology investment or something else, a shareholder need present themselves, you know, we just wanna be in front of someone so that we are top of mind.
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Daniel Cardenas
Analyst · Daniel Cardenas with Janney Montgomery. Your line is open
Okay. Great. that is all I have for right now. Thank you, guys.
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Scott A. Kingsley
President and CEO
Thanks, Daniel.
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. I am showing no further questions in the queue at this time. I would now like to turn the call back to Scott A. Kingsley for any closing remarks.
SK
Scott A. Kingsley
President and CEO
Thank you. I wanna thank everyone on the call for participating with us today and for your continued interest in NBT. We will talk at the end of next quarter.
OP
Operator
Operator
Thank you, mister Kingsley. This concludes our program. You may disconnect. And have a great day.