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Q4 2023 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 29, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good morning everyone and welcome to the New Fortress Energy fourth quarter and full year 2023 earnings conference call. Today’s conference is being recorded and all participants are in a listen-only mode, but later we’ll have the opportunity to ask questions. To get us started today with opening remarks and introductions, I’m pleased to turn the floor over to Managing Director of Strategy and Investor Relations, Mr. Chance Pipitone. Please go ahead, sir.

Chance Pipitone

Management

Thank you Lisa, and good morning everyone. Thank you for joining today’s conference call, where we will discuss our record fourth quarter and full year 2023 results, recent developments, operational highlights, and future here at NFE. As Lisa said, the call is being recorded and will be available by replay on the Investors section of our website under the subheading, Events and Presentations. In that same location, you will find a press release regarding our fourth quarter and full year results and the corresponding presentation, that we’ll walk through on the today’s call. As we proceed through the discussion, we will be referring to that presentation, and in that same presentation you will also find a series of important disclosures related to forward-looking statements and non-GAAP financial measures. We encourage participants to review these important disclosures in addition to the description of risk factors contained within our SEC filings. Now let’s dive into the call. My name is again Chance Pipitone, and joining me today from New Fortress Energy are Wes Edens, Chairman and CEO, Chris Guinta, CFO, Andrew Dete, Managing Director, and Brannen McElmurray, Managing Director. Thank you. Wes, over to you.

Wes Edens

Management

Great, thanks Chance, and welcome everybody. As Chance said, as usual, please refer to the deck that we posted here just a few minutes ago, and let’s start at the beginning. Page 3 - 2023 was a very good year, fourth quarter a record for us as well, and from an operating perspective $1.3 billion in EBITDA, $388 million in EBITDA for the quarter, more than doubled earnings per share and FFO for 2022 to 2023, and we’re poise to roughly double that again this year, so tremendous financial results. Most importantly, when you look at the second line down - it’s not numbered but it’s the second line, the profit from cargo sales, you’ll see zero contributions from cargo sales in Q3 and Q4, which now fully reflects that our business is operating on the--through to the terminals to our customers in our sales of gas and products and power, and so very much an operating company now as opposed to a development company, and both the quantity and the quality of those earnings were terrific, so it’s actually a very, very good thing. If you look at the bottom, when I say funds from operation, this is a metric that we have borrowed from the real estate business, which we think is actually applicable here. Simply put, it takes earnings per share and adds back non-cash items like depreciation and amortization. What that means is that on our balance sheet right now, we have many billions of dollars of infrastructure and that’s growing, so there’s a significant amount of assets on balance sheet, so simply adding back those non-cash items gives a more accurate reflection of the earnings power of the company. When you look at it now with $1.61 in FFO in 2022, $3.56 in 2023, $6-plus…

Brannen McElmurray

Management

Thank you Wes. Let’s move to Page 9 of the presentation. As Wes so often says, affordable, clean, reliable power is the cornerstone of economic activity, and in that regard a majority of the world is underserved. There’s no better example of this in the U.S. and its territories than Puerto Rico. We’ve been investing in Puerto Rico’s infrastructure since 2017 following a series of devastating natural disasters, including two hurricanes just two weeks apart. NFE began developing critical energy infrastructure in Puerto Rico to improve reliability and lower energy costs for ratepayers. Our first project was the San Juan energy port, converting an existing combined cycle power plant to burn natural gas rather than diesel, and constructing a fuel import terminal to support it. Our operations began in 2020 after completing construction in the depths of COVID, a true testament to the dedication of our team and stakeholders. Today, this facility delivers 15% of the power to the PR grid with reliability in excess of 97%, while significantly reducing emissions and generating over a billion dollars in fuel savings to ratepayers’ life today. Most notably, this asset provides NFE a significant, sustainable competitive advantage on which to deliver more value to Puerto Rico through follow-on infrastructure investments, such as those we will highlight in the next slide. Turning now to Page 10, we continue to invest in more reliable, clean, affordable power for Puerto Rico, and in 2023 expanded our presence with two major developments. First, fast power deployments - after a rigorous selection process, NFE was picked by the U.S. government to build and operate 350 megawatts of fast power across two sites in Puerto Rico in order to stabilize the grid. The first site, Palo Seco, 150 megawatts, is located just a few miles from the NFE…

Andrew Dete

Management

Thanks Brannen. Hello everyone, good morning. I’m on Page 14, and very excited to announce that our Barcarena terminal is now operational. Wes and I were here yesterday and had a great event with the governor of the State of Para and the Minister of Mines and Energy in Brazil, and we stood on stood on the FSRU and looked back at the shore here, and that was pretty cool to try to highlight how from the terminal here, you can actually see the three big contracts that we have. On the left side on the top of the page, you can see the Alunorte aluminum refinery owned by Norsk Hydro, that’s where we have a 15-year agreement to sell 30 TBtus. Moving a little bit to the right, our current 630 megawatt power plant, which we call CELBA, is 50% complete. That will reach commercial operations in July of 2025 and has a 25-year PPA. Then on the land just adjacent to that, to the right is where we’re going to site the new 1.6 gigawatt PPA that we bought from Denham Capital and CEIBA Energy. That will COD the next year, July 2026, and have a 15-year PPA, so super exciting for us on many levels to open this terminal, and then also just to be able to kind of see the overall business model, very compact here in one great industrial development. As you can see from the picture too, what we did here is really extended an offshore jetty, so it was a very cost advantaged project and it benefits from the FSRU Energos Celsius, which we just finished completion of converting in a yard in Singapore, and so FSRU arrived a few days ago, fully hooked up, and we’re ready to flow gas in Barcarena,…

Chris Guinta

Management

Thanks Andrew. Good morning everybody. Let’s flip to Slide 22 and talk through our FLNG projects. Over the last three years, we’ve assembled an amazing team of employees, contractors and construction partners that have been working around the clock to make our first FLNG unit a reality. The headline is that we’re in the final stages of commissioning and expect first LNG in late March and our first cargo to sail in April, on which I’ll go into more detail shortly. But before I do, I want to share just a brief background of how we got to this point. As most of you listening are well aware, the LNG production market is dominated by super majors and national oil companies, or by project-focused entities that require 20-year offtake agreements with investment-grade counterparties. At NFE, however, we have stood in the gap and built critical energy infrastructure in emerging markets that need access to LNG now. In late 2020 and early 2021, we were seeking to add to our LNG supply portfolio and found it difficult to get the quantity and the duration that we required, for two primary reasons: first, a lack of overall supply in the market for the midterm period, notably 2024 through 2027, given that all the then-currently operating liquefaction projects were nearly 100% contracted; and second, as we were only a single-B rated entity at the time, the credit support and project finance nature of the operating projects did not allow for them to sell substantial quantities to NFE. Move to Slide 23 and let’s talk about what we did as a response. As I’ve mentioned on this call before, Wes scheduled a daily call every weekday morning for the last three years, where we aimed to complete a solution that would be quick to…

Chance Pipitone

Management

Thank you Chris. Operator Lisa, would you please take a moment to receive some questions, and let’s open up the lines.

Operator

Operator

Thank you sir. [Operator instructions] Our first question comes from Chris Robertson with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead, sir, your line is open.

Chris Robertson

Analyst

Hey, good morning Wes, hey guys. Congrats on the strong quarter-over-quarter performance here. Wes, just given the step change in the adjusted EBITDA that we’ve seen over the last two quarters, it’s obvious that the Puerto Rico power generation contracts provide quite a meaningful uplift here. There’s been some public filings and reports around FEMA wanting to wind down its involvement as early as mid-March. Can you just speak broadly to what’s happening with regards to FEMA, what this means for the current contracts, any potential sources of income and cash related to those assets, and more importantly, what’s the longer term growth opportunity in Puerto Rico on the fuel switching side?

Wes Edens

Management

Yes, that’s a great question, and I’m going to turn it over to Brannen to answer. There’s actually been a fair amount of public statements, both with regards to the power plants as well as the gas contract and whatnot, and so let me have Brannen address it. It’s a great question and something we feel great about. Go ahead.

Brannen McElmurray

Management

Yes, thank you Wes. Great question. I think it’s best to kind of start with the facts. We have in place now two two-year contracts that we’re about halfway through. Those in the aggregate support 350 megawatts of operational power but 425 megawatts of installed power. The good news is if you look at the statements out of the Puerto Rican government, including the governor there, there’s been an agreement between the Government of Puerto Rico and FEMA to have these units remain and for the governor of Puerto Rico to purchase them, so there is a process ongoing, it’s public, to have those units transfer from NFE to the Government of Puerto Rico. I think most importantly, if you look at the system dynamics, that 350 megawatts that will become 425 megawatts represents almost 15% to 20% of the installed power base, and without it, Puerto Rico couldn’t achieve their reserve margin, so if you look at the criticality of the infrastructure, it has now become essential. In terms of future, there’s about one gigawatt of potential conversion fuel switch or supplemental power opportunity, because if you look at the way the Puerto Rico grid is evolving, essentially what’s happening is the HFO and diesel plants are going to run off, and in its place, it’s effectively going to be gas from a thermal perspective, and then that over time will provide ancillary services as the grid continues to transition to renewables. From an NFE perspective, our strategy is megawatts now, ancillary services later, but under all scenarios the power that we’re providing, supporting, and then ultimately fueling, we expect to be there for the indefinite future.

Chris Robertson

Analyst

That’s helpful, Brannen. Could I just ask a follow-up?

Wes Edens

Management

Go ahead.

Chris Robertson

Analyst

Just a follow-up on that in terms of the conversion opportunity on the gigawatt of power that you mentioned. How many plants is that spread across, what type of timeline would that be in terms of just the conversion opportunity, like how long does it take to switch from diesel and HFO over to natural gas?

Brannen McElmurray

Management

It’s three to four, depending on what you want to consider the current state of affairs, and I think like all good development plans, there are near and medium term opportunities. The fortunate fact is there happen to be a few opportunities that are gas ready today, and so they simply need a fueling solution, which we think is in process. Then there are medium term opportunities that can last anywhere from nine to 12 months in terms of converting an existing plant to be gas ready, not dissimilar to the project we’ve already executed in San Juan 5 and 6, because if you recall there, there’s a CCGT that we converted. The actual time for conversion is probably four to five months, so it’s actually a pretty rapid process, and so these opportunities exist throughout the island.

Chris Robertson

Analyst

Got it, that’s helpful.

Wes Edens

Management

Just the one thing I’d add to that is if you think of the existing power plants for FEMA that Brannen has put in place, those provided a critical need during a short term period, and the price reflects that because everything happened--you know, as Brannen said, it’s the fastest installation in the history of the Army Corps, which is indeed saying something. The longer term plan is simply more gas for both this plant, as well as others that will get converted at perhaps a lower price than the emergency power, but on balance our guidance for people is we expect that Puerto Rico will both continue as it currently performs for our system, and we think there is significant growth potential for both this, ancillary services and other initiatives that are underway, so it’s nothing but good news.

Chris Robertson

Analyst

All right, thanks Wes. I’ll turn it over. I’m sure you have plenty of other questions coming.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Sam Margolin with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Sam Margolin

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Hi, good morning everybody. Happy Leap Day! Thanks for taking the question. A follow-up on Puerto Rico, because there are a lot of variables between a new price or a pro forma price and the new term, and then upside to volumes and whatever agreement you come to, when or if it gets re-struck. But I think the most salient question we get from investors on the inbound side is, is there any scenario where the business model in Puerto Rico changes because of a FEMA negotiation and re-contracting, but the balance sheet and the leverage ratios are affected? Basically put another way, do you see this resolution as something that will ultimately be positive for your leverage ratios on a go-forward basis?

Brannen McElmurray

Management

Yes, this is Brannen. I’ll take that. I think--you know, I’ll kind of echo a little bit where I started with the last question, because I think it’s important. If you look at what Puerto Rico itself is saying, they are moving through a process where they will acquire the 350 megawatts that we built. I think from an expectation standpoint, that transaction will need to close in the near term and make those units permanent, so from a mechanical standpoint, we will receive cash proceeds for that and you should expect that Chris and others will use that from a balance sheet perspective in a way that makes sense, consistent with their capital plan and strategy around the credit generally.

Sam Margolin

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Okay.

Wes Edens

Management

Yes, also we are halfway through a two-year term of those contracts, and so while I understand there is interest on people’s part to understand what will happen at the conclusion of that, from our standpoint, we are a massive part of the energy solution for Puerto Rico. Brannen, Genera, the whole 800 people that work for us down there are busy there every day, and so it’s simply not possible to predict the future exactly other than the fact that we have the best information. You see the statements that are made publicly by both the federal government as well as the governor in Puerto Rico and others about the nature of these assets, and so we feel great about it. That’s the bottom line. I think that when you take the sheer math of 1,000 megawatts of additional power that needs to be converted, under any situation that’s a very positive outcome for us. We’re the only material LNG terminal on the island in the area of San Juan, where the bulk of the people and the bulk of the power is, so. Those are the facts, and I understand the question and would like to be more responsive, but I’d like to predict the future about a lot of different things. But we feel very, very good about it based on the public statements that are out there, as well as our own insight with respect to this process, and as soon as there is further resolution to that, we’ll be happy to share it, but we can’t do more than that.

Sam Margolin

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Understood, that’s very clear, and actually it’s a good transition to a follow-up I had, too, just about the overall competitive landscape, maybe not just in Puerto Rico but in Brazil too. You have all this upside to volume and ultimately power demand in both these markets, and to date you’ve done a really good job of fencing off your domain and protecting your market share there. Would just love to hear your thoughts about what the competitive landscape is there today and how you can maintain your position. Thanks.

Wes Edens

Management

Yes, I’m going to amplify a little bit of what Andrew said, because I thought he did a terrific job of laying out. Brazil for us has been an investment historically of about $1.5 billion, right, so we’ve made a massive investment in the country. We now effectively--not potentially, but effectively today, we have really two of the four operating import gas terminals in a massive country that has an enormous need for additional power. The way that actually the Brazilian government has managed their renewable portfolio, I think is a real model for how other countries, including the United States, should think about this going forward. What they basically--between the hydroelectric power and the other renewable power, it’s something like 80% of all the power in the country is renewable. What that necessitates is a huge standby capacity to provide the peaks and valleys if it doesn’t rain or the sun doesn’t shine or the wind doesn’t blow. What they have done, going back to 2006, is they have issued these capacity auctions for 35 gigawatts of power, whatever it is - massive amounts of power, so there is a real history of them doing it, and because it’s such a large and vibrant country, they actually have an internal capital markets that supports these activities, that finances them as well. It’s a remarkable combination of this, and I feel like we’ve been clear with what we have in hand today, what is already contracted, it generates $500 million in run rate EBITDA by the middle of 2026. I feel like our value from that--because the cash flow contribution in the current year is nominal, right, because this is all stuff that is just now coming on, I don’t feel like that value is reflected in the valuation of…

Operator

Operator

We’ll move to our next caller with a question, Craig Shere with Tuohy Brothers. Please go ahead, sir, your line is open.

Craig Shere

Analyst

Morning, thanks for taking the question. You’ve got this very attractive FEMA contract that’s kind of a sugar rush, but you’ve got all these great opportunities with Puerto Rico fuel switching and Brazil to dramatically fill in and go way beyond that with material downstream growth, but that requires upstream supply. At the moment, I believe maybe an MTPA of and SPA with Venture Global CP2, at least the timing’s in doubt, and even with that, all your contracting, two FLNG deployments, within two, three years you could wind up being net short LNG. My first question is more specifically, how do you think about balances sources and uses of LNG over the next two to three-plus years, and to the degree this becomes an issue, do you see it lined up being a governor on the foot pedal of your downstream growth?

Wes Edens

Management

It’s a great question. I think it’s very interesting, because I think that the question you pose is the opposite of what most people’s concerns are. I think most of the world is now concerned that since you’re roughly doubling the supply of LNG in the world by the end of this decade, the question is where is the downstream going to come to support that. When you look at our book of business, and we’ve been very transparent about it, we are fully contracted in terms of what we produce and what we actually provide to our customers over the next couple years, and so we feel obviously very good about that. In addition, longer term we can either simply continue to build more liquefiers, if we choose to do that, or more likely, I think we’ll look to the market to supply it. There’s a massive amount of supply in the later part of the decade, and so of the things that I am concerned about with respect to our business right now, long term supply of LNG is not anywhere on the list. I just think there’s many, many different ways that that issue can be addressed. In the short term, we’ve gone through a lot of investment and a lot of focus to get our own liquefiers up and running that addresses the short term needs in the ’24, ’25, ’26, 2’7 period, but beyond that, I think there’s more likely to be an abundance of supply than not, and I think frankly the most scarce resource by far in the LNG ecosystem around the world will be downstream terminals, like ourselves. Really to my knowledge, there’s nobody that has the same collection of downstream terminals, that has so much excess capacity already up and operational, that can service all our customers and therefore create a short for all these other long providers to come into. I think we couldn’t be better positioned, honestly, as a company based on where we are, given the macro landscape as well.

Craig Shere

Analyst

Right, and last question on FLNG 2, great that you have firm contracting on that, so we have a better sense of cost and delivery. But is all Mexican contracting, regulatory approvals, is everything in place at this point? What is left in terms of hurdles to make this 100% locked in?

Brannen McElmurray

Management

Yes, I think we’re following the same path that we did on FLNG 1, Craig, so you have the CFE as your partner, the president, his cabinet, the successor administration have all expressed strong desire for this contract--this project to move forward quickly. I’ll tell you that everything that we can apply for now has been applied for, and everything is in the path of moving to approval. Again, with the government effectively as your partner here with massive financial incentives themselves for this project to get online - again, we’re using existing infrastructure that they’re paying for and not really getting the benefit of now, plus the profits in the project make this extremely attractive to them, and we don’t expect any challenges going forward.

Wes Edens

Management

Yes, and I want to reiterate again what I said earlier, which is the existing FTA approvals that we have, the existing ability for us to bring volumes to Puerto Rico with our downstream volumes, means that essentially we have a home for all of our own production right now, which is a massive difference versus anybody else who’s got a new project. I mean, obviously we expect that this ban will not be a long term ban, we expect that it will be resolved at some point in time, but of course we can’t predict the future, so we don’t know when it will happen. Happily from our standpoint, we are the only company that doesn’t care about that because we’re actually in a great position as we are right now, because of our downstream and where it’s all located.

Operator

Operator

We’ll move to our next caller, Sherif Elmaghrabi with BTIG. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Sherif Elmaghrabi

Analyst

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. First, I guess a couple questions ago, this is kind of asking half of that a different way, but realizing the long term goal of the integrated model to supply your own LNG to your own terminals, is there any reason why the company still couldn’t take advantage of LNG price arbitrage, if they present themselves in the future?

Wes Edens

Management

You know, we don’t really view ourselves as the merchant business. We want to be in the business of full integration, so we integrate ourselves from liquefaction to transport to terminals to power our gas, and so we don’t want to be in the merchant business. We don’t want to have to predict that as part of our future, and I think we very successfully have insulated ourselves from these price swings. Again, I’d point to look at the price decline for TTF or JKM in the second half of the year, look at the results of other companies that were exposed to that, compare them to our results over the same period and you’ll see the benefit of that. We think that with this now focus and delivery of our operating results, our goal is to both be very predictable as a company going forward, and also to be a growing company as we continue to manage the upside of these different terminals and markets around the world. That clearly is the objective, and I think that we have made great strides in getting that - it’s always a bit of a process, but in the last two quarters, we think our--you know, two in a row in terms of actually doing what we said we were going to do, and so we feel really good about that.

Sherif Elmaghrabi

Analyst

Thanks Wes. Then I want to get a better idea of these additional opportunities in Brazil. Do you have a sense on the turnaround time on that 8 gigawatt-plus power auction, so how long after holding the auction are winners announced, and do you have a sense how long after that we could see some more gas volumes pulled through the Brazil terminal?

Wes Edens

Management

Yes, I’ll let Andrew go through that. Maybe just spend one minute and talk about how the auction actually works, because I think that’s quite interesting.

Andrew Dete

Management

Yes, sure. Thanks for the question. Generally, those auctions are decided the same day--sorry, not generally, they are decided the same day. They’re very transparent, they’re done on an electronic platform, you can see all the bids that happen. The way that we expect this to happen is consistent with history, which is in the next maybe couple weeks or month, they’ll announce the auctions, there will be a date associated with that - it will be sometime this summer. There will be a month for public consult on the auction rules and different things, they’ll take those into account, and then they’ll set a firm date for the actual auction. Let’s assume for a second that’s June 30, right? On June 30, they’ll run the bid electronic platform. At the end of the day, you will know if you’ve won or not and at exactly what price. Now to answer your question, when will that actually come online? We think this is actually going to be an interesting auction for that, because there’s probably going to be two subsets of what happens, which would be existing generation and new generation, and we don’t know exactly how that--there might be two auctions or one, it may not matter. But the important thing is the capacity need is so great that we think for the existing generation, which gets a new contract, there is going to be a desire for those to start immediately. The way it will work is there will probably be a three or four-year time frame for the PPAs to actually start, and so for example if your plant has an existing PPA, you can still win this and then kind of contract out. But for plants that are not contracted today, the auction, the government and the plants are all going to want to start immediately, so that’s exciting and we think it will lead to new volumes in 2024 and early 2025. Then there will be the kind of typical auction for new generation, which would be PPAs starting in 2028, with an ability if you finish those earlier to start earlier, and so the simple cycle configuration of these auctions for capacity in Brazil is interesting, right, because that’s a much more simple construction process, and so we may be able to start sooner than that, but obviously the new generation is going to take construction and will be a little bit later.

Sherif Elmaghrabi

Analyst

That’s pretty interesting. Thanks everyone.

Wes Edens

Management

Yes, I think the thing, just in terms of talking with Andrew and the team there, that’s so interesting is that when they announce the auctions, there will be a date. On that date, there will be an electronic auction that you’ll be participating in live over the course of the day as you’re making your own bids and you’re seeing how the market adjusts [indiscernible], and by the end of the day, it will be awarded, so it’s an incredibly transparent and buttoned-up process, again. I think the manner in which the Brazilian government has approached this in the last 20 years is very laudable - I mean, it creates a clear path for people to bid, it creates a clear path for the outcomes to be awarded. This nuance that Andrew was talking about, which is will it be with existing power plants that perhaps don’t have gas that are bidding to it, or is it new generation? It gives a very unique characteristic in that it’s an auction for the future, but the future could be very soon if it’s existing generation, and that’s where there are--again, there are four effective terminals that are in Brazil, two of them are ours, one of them in the capital constrained south, so we think the opportunities for us there are tremendous. You know, I’m not making this the Brazil education on this call - again, we’re going to host investors, rating agencies, counterparties probably sometime in April or May down in Brazil, just to walk through this, which I hope people will take advantage of because we think this as a standalone opportunity is massive, and so I look forward to spending more time on it, along with Andrew.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Ryan Levine with Citi. Please go ahead, sir, your line is open.

Ryan Levine

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead, sir, your line is open.

Thanks for taking my questions. Two questions. One, in terms of the ratepayer impact of the potential monetization of the Puerto Rican power plants, how do you see that impacting the end consumer, and to the extent that there is any step-down in PPA rates and ratepayer bills, does that create more impetus for further investment in the location or jurisdiction?

Wes Edens

Management

Go ahead.

Brannen McElmurray

Management

Yes, I can address that. We’ll kind of start with something, I think is an oft-refrained--you know, the people in Puerto Rico pay the most for power anywhere in the U.S. and they have the worst service, so that’s kind of the starting point. If you kind of look at the rate impact of the 350 megawatts that we just put in, even in this short period of time, it’s roughly $0.02 or about 10% off the retail rate, so on a go-forward basis, because what you’re competing with is old technology - you know, the average age of the plant there that burns diesel and HFO is about 35 years, so you’re talking about heat rates that are 12 or 13 versus brand-new technology today, which would be 6, 6.5, so roughly twice as bad. Once you pair that off with the fact that the delivered cost of distillate fuel there is well in excess of what anybody would really think, because of both where they source it from but also the delivery charge, you have a lot of headroom to compete with. For example, if you look at the price of diesel today, it’s roughly about $22 MMBtu, and so anything less than $22 MMBtu today is a win for the Puerto Rican ratepayer, so there’s a lot of headroom in those kind of numbers.

Ryan Levine

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead, sir, your line is open.

Okay, and then switching gears, you put out a $1.5 billion gross CapEx number. What’s the composition of it and how much is FLNG 1 at this stage? I think in the footnote 21, you mention that there’s excluded interest capitalization, is that a material number?

Chris Guinta

Management

Yes, so of the 1.5--it’s 1.25, it really breaks down to a little--we don’t break it out by project, but total FLNG spend in the year is about $600 million, about $400 million into Brazil to complete various works on the power plant, plus that’s an annualized number, right, so that’s got some money that’s already been spent thus far in Q1. Finally, you’ve got about $200 million that we expect to spend on fuel switching and around Puerto Rico over the next two years, so it’s about half in 2024. As far as capitalized interest, yes, that’s excluded in that number, and it’s less than $100 million.

Wes Edens

Management

Then Ryan, I thought you might ask, so I’ll answer the question. With the $700 million FLNG 2 financing being committed, we’re now fully financed basically as a company, and now that we have announced our results and have updated people on the company, we’re definitely going to evaluate potential refinancing opportunities to address our shorter term maturities and our bond book, so we are actively--we monitor the market conditions and that’s something which now kind of rises to the right level. Every flower has its season, and we needed to get through, kind of have a couple quarters of performance as we have. We’ve basically clarified both performance as well as CapEx and the business updates that are material in both Puerto Rico and Brazil and elsewhere, but we are definitely going to monitor market conditions and evaluate different opportunities that we’ve got to address especially the shorter term maturities of that.

Operator

Operator

That was our final question from the audience today. Mr. Pipitone, I’ll turn it back to you, sir, for any additional or closing remarks you may have.

Chance Pipitone

Management

Thank you Lisa, and thank you everyone for joining us today. Again, we remain available, as always, to answer any questions. Please contact the Investor Relations team, and thank you again. Enjoy the rest of your day.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.