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Natural Gas Services Group, Inc. (NGS)

Q4 2018 Earnings Call· Thu, Mar 14, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Natural Gas Services Group Fourth Quarter Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] Your call leaders for today’s call are Alicia Dada, IR Coordinator; Steve Taylor, Chairman, President and CEO. I will now turn the call over to Ms. Dada. You may begin.

Alicia Dada

Analyst

Thank you, Erica and good morning listeners. Please allow me a moment to read the following forward-looking statement prior to commencing our earnings call. Except for the historical information contained herein, the statements in this morning’s conference call are forward-looking and are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions as outlined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements, as you may know, involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties, which may cause Natural Gas Services Group’s actual results in future periods to differ materially from the forecasted results. Those risks include, among other things, the loss of market share through competition or otherwise, the introduction of competing technologies by other companies and new governmental safety, health or environmental regulations, which could require Natural Gas Services Group to make significant capital expenditures. The forward-looking statements included in this conference call are made as of the date of this call and Natural Gas Services undertakes no obligation to publicly update such forward-looking statements to reflect subsequent events or circumstances. Important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from the expectations reflected in the forward-looking statements include, but are not limited to, factors described in our recent press release and also under the caption Risk Factors in the company’s annual report on Form 10-K filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Having all that stated, I will now turn the call over to Steve Taylor, who is President, Chairman and CEO of Natural Gas Services Group. Steve?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Thank you, Alicia and Erica and good morning. Welcome to Natural Gas Services Group’s fourth quarter 2018 earnings review. This morning, we reported fourth quarter 2018 results and we are pleased with our operational performance in the fourth quarter of the year driven by strong sequential rental revenue growth of 7% in the quarter. While our growth included continued progress in our high horsepower category, majority of the rental revenue growth in the quarter was a result of solid performance from our core mid horsepower fleet. Sales revenue declined by about $1 million sequentially, primarily the result of our decision to reallocate production plant resources to higher margin rental fabrication, thereby reducing opportunities for sales revenue. However, our sales backlog at the end of the fourth quarter was at its highest level since the third quarter of 2017. We did have a non-recurring expense this quarter of a little over $0.01 per common share related to potential strategic growth initiatives, but our margins were generally higher in the quarter, which sets the stage for solid performance for the company in the coming year. I will provide details when we review our financial results. So, looking at total revenue, NGS reported total revenue of $16.2 million for the fourth quarter of 2018, a 3% decrease compared to the same quarter of 2017. The decrease was primarily driven by decrease of sales, the magnitude of which is largely by an increase from rental revenue. From a rental perspective, we had 102 more units running in the fourth quarter 2018 from the same period of 2017. Total revenue decreased slightly by 1% when compared to the third quarter of 2018 due to the timing of sales revenue from compressor sales. However, the decrease was partially offset by 7% sequential increase in rental revenue…

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, at this time we will conduct the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Rob Brown from Lake Street Capital. Please state your question.

Rob Brown

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Good morning Steve.

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Hi Rob.

Rob Brown

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Just wanted to get a little more color on the high horsepower demand environment, are you seeing that accelerate from kind of earlier in the year or is it a matter of we are now taking on more kind of your self in the markets about the same and still strong?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

I guess it’s accelerating a little, sort of the market is strong and I think we are making pretty good market penetration into. Just a couple of years ago we didn’t have any of this horsepower and now we are up to 8% of fleet and 18% of the utilized horsepower is big. So I don’t think it’s accelerating as much as we are capturing more of that market as we go. And as I have mentioned we are booked for the next four or five quarters in our shops and we have even secured additional space to try to add more speculative units and more anticipated contract in the units too. So accelerating maybe, but I think it’s certainly staying solid and we have got some good contracts in the last couple of quarters that we have announced. And those are keeping us busy, certainly from the higher horsepower in the next year.

Rob Brown

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Okay. And I may have missed this, how many on this new contract, how many units did you win, I think you said $17 million in CapEx, but how many units is that?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Yes. You didn’t miss it, because I didn’t say, it’s 13 units or 14 units, it’s all the bigger units of 1,400 horsepower units.

Rob Brown

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Okay, good. And then I think you talked about adding – are you adding capacity or did you find third-party capacity to build some units?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

We are actually outsourcing some of it. We went out and looked at the market and we are working all things, but that’s about six months and we have secured what we think is premiere a fabricator to work with this and we are going to do up to our capacity and let them do some of the peak shaving part of it.

Rob Brown

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Okay. And then last question on the kind of the non-high horsepower market, it sounds like that’s covering a little bit as well, how are the trends there and what kind of utilization improvements you kind of see, how does that raise that’s sort of wanted to poise the quarter kind of improvement?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

The high – the horsepower utilization went up 3 points and the unit utilization went up 1 point, that’s normal would this be a horsepower, the horsepower get planned faster than that. So I anticipate that kind of stay in the same, maybe see 1 or 2 points in the unit utilization and then 2 or 3 in the horsepower utilization. And it’s hard to say anything, these quarters fluctuate vary so much, but we still get a pretty good rental backlog, the make rates were still building. That medium horsepower range, which is essentially gas, wellhead gas lift compression starting to pickup, it’s been decent for about a year, but there has been so many properties change in the market and typically larger companies selling off what they consider as more mature properties. So you always give some shifting of equipment in deals like that and typically there is more optimization going on when those properties are sold to smaller guys etcetera, etcetera. So although we have set a lot of equipment, probably the first half of the year, we have got a fair amount back, although we have had about three or four quarters of growing net growth in that segment. So I think it’s going to stay good. We have been kind of waiting for it and we have frankly probably lagged the market a little on that just like our utilization has, but that’s primarily due to us maintain our pricing more than what we think the comparative landscape has or the competitors have. We didn’t go down as low on pricing, you tend to give us some share on that in a downturn, which we knew and we were okay with, because we kept generating EPS and the operating results were good. So I think we are now into the point that we have seen the pricing, general pricing come up to the market, that makes our pricing a little more attractive on a relative basis and certainly are. All that I think is combined to now start perking up that mid horsepower. And so I mentioned this the last two, three quarters if we – obviously the big horsepower is growing, growing quite well and that’s where all of our CapEx is going, but once we can get this mid horsepower starting to move, that’s a no CapEx growth story, which is great. So, if returns start to really pile up on that and incrementally get pretty good. So we think that mid horsepower started come into its own from our perspective and anticipated continuing that way.

Rob Brown

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Excellent. Thank you. I will turn it over.

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Okay. Thanks Rob.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Tate Sullivan. Please state your question.

Tate Sullivan

Analyst

Hi, thank you. Thank you all for the details, Steve. Good morning. I know you mentioned 80% of your full higher horsepower rental revenue is being collected, I know it depends on the location for those higher HP units, but what is the average timeline from the point to start collecting it the full rental revenue?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

It goes from 3 to 6 months typically. So once you build this stuff and if you are familiar with this, this is big stuff. I mean, this kit is self ways, the engine compression coolers are 175,000 pounds, it’s very expensive to move them, very expensive to install them, takes a lot of time, there is more construction and not just onside from the operator, but there is more fitting up on REM between all the piping and everything on these units. So it’s a pretty big production. We knew that going in that’s what get in this market, but you do have more money involved longer cycles to get that coming in. So that’s what we are seeing of the equipment we have out now, only about the 80% of full rent is being gathered now and the other 20% is certainly in some form of scheduling, commissioning startup and stuff like that, but you will typically see a 3 to 6 month delay on any given once until you get full rent. And the good thing about it is I mean we would rather have a Day 1 right obviously 3, 6 months later, but our minimum terms don’t start until the full rent starts. So even though, we may have some interim standby rents, we give full rent for the full term once the equipment starts. So we are not giving up anything from the term standpoint when we are looking at these marginally lower rates for a little bit.

Tate Sullivan

Analyst

Okay. In terms of the schedule deploying previous orders into the field, I mean is it every – I mean how consistent is the cadence that it’s going out your doors if you can share or what is the potential delivery schedule look like for ‘19 if you can give…?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Yes. I am sure if I could pinpoint, it gets highly variable. And certainly we have a fabrication schedule on when this stuff is planned on what pattern and everything else and that schedule sort of change lead time by the operator. And now from the point of I mean they may want to slide something this way, we might want to slide something that way and everything else it’s always in slides. But we have got I don’t remember the exact number, but probably roughly 40 units going through the schedule over the next four quarters like we just wanted to do a quick number you could say well that’s ten a quarter. And you got 3 to 6 months where you get revenue off, I know that’s a pretty wide – if you calculate that number is pretty wide variance, but that’s probably is best I can give.

Tate Sullivan

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. And one more for me and then I will jump back and I think press release you mentioned strategic growth initiatives, was that based on securing additional fabrication space or is it something else?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

No, it was actually, I would say it’s about $160,000 is equivalent, little over $0.01 a share, which I want to credit from all four, but it’s just us, we need to hire some advisors to look at some external opportunities and we did that and we incur that expense.

Tate Sullivan

Analyst

Okay, understood. Okay. Thank you very much Steve for the detail.

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Okay. Thanks Tate.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Kyle May. Please state your question.

Kyle May

Analyst

Hey, good morning Steve.

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Hi Kyle, how are you?

Kyle May

Analyst

Good. One quick one just to get things going, can you say again what was the size of the rental compressor fleet at the end of the year?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Yes. Let’s see, 2,500, let me look here, 2,572.

Kyle May

Analyst

Got it. Thanks. And one other thing I was curious about with the tax adjustment in the fourth quarter, can you give us anymore color on what’s going on there and if that should be anything we need to be mindful of going forward?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

No, it’s the one-time adjustment, so it’s not a recurring expense we will have, it’s an expense the auditors require from a tax standpoint and over the – and the problem with some of these is you got to book them in the quarter, right, so maybe over a longer period than a quarter, but it’s booked in a quarter. So it’s just a one-time adjustment that the auditors required us to book and so that’s what we did.

Kyle May

Analyst

Okay, got it. And then maybe last one for me, as you are looking at over the last couple of quarters you talked about building some spec units and it sounds like you are already making a lot of headway on getting those contracted, can you maybe talk about the environment that you are seeing with how long it takes to get those under contract and then maybe a little bit more on your thoughts for spec units in 2019?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

It’s not – well, we had actually about one unit per month schedule, I think you missed it in the last call, so about 12 spec units scheduled for 2019 in addition to the other committed contracts we had. We have zero spec now because those 12 were taken. It’s good, but now we have got to try to build some more spec ones. Right now we are probably looking at another becoming dependent on shop space that’s when we look at this going outside a little. Right now just roughly we are probably looking at maybe four or five more at the end of the year and then into 2020 we haven’t looked too much into that 2020 yet. But I would go ahead to even venture guess, but if we just replicate what we would think for 2019 into one more month in 2020, that’s another 12 units, $13 million, $14 million in addition to any other contracts we think we might secure in the balance of 2019. Now, the issue you everybody has got to remember is about June or July, anything we get contracted typically fall into the next year, because you’ve now got essentially 6-month deliveries on components, engines and compressors and things. So, even if you get a contract in June or July, it’s not going to happen, that revenue piece is not going to happen until 2020. So, and what is this March, so we’re getting – we’ve got about 3 months or 4 months to secure some more contracts for this year, which we don’t have a whole lot of room for, and then the last half year we’ll start securing for 2020. So, cut the answer short, roughly maybe one a month in the last quarter of this year and into 2020. In addition to anything else we secure.

Kyle May

Analyst

Okay, got it. Real helpful. Thanks a lot, Steve.

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Okay. Thanks, Kyle.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Richard Dearnley. Please state your question.

Richard Dearnley

Analyst

Good morning. How –

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Hi, Dick.

Richard Dearnley

Analyst

How many units did you rehab in the make-ready bucket in the fourth quarter?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Oh gosh.

Richard Dearnley

Analyst

Like, was it about the 80 give or take that you’ve been running?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

No, hold on. I’ve got – I might have to give you that afterwards, but I thought I had all the answers I needed here. We did about and I don’t have the exact number, but we did about – the expense ran about twice as much in the fourth quarter as it did in the third quarter, but I don’t have the number of units.

Richard Dearnley

Analyst

Well, if it – so if the expense was more and you did twice and you did 82 in the third quarter, would that tell me you did 160 odd in the fourth quarter?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Yes, roughly, that sounds like a high number. I’ll tell you what, I’ll need – I’ll probably just need to dig in that a little more, but yes, we are – that rental backlog continues to be strong, I mean, I’ll say that right now.

Richard Dearnley

Analyst

Right. And the make-readies are largely in the mid-horsepower range, aren’t they?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Yes, sir. Yes, all the big horsepower is brand new.

Richard Dearnley

Analyst

Yes. As – with my calculation, which is a bit of a guess be about right that you only have about one more year of make-ready units that you can make ready and then that inventories used?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

We’ve got for 53% utilized. We’ve still got what 1,100 units. You’re probably right if you’re just talking about the mid-horsepower range not including the small horsepower, but it’s that market as I mentioned before just kind of flat. So, with the growth in the mid-horsepower market and that all being present fleet equipment that needs to be refurbished before it goes out. You might be right. It might be a year and a half or something like that. It’s hard to say exactly, but it – hopefully that mid-horsepower utilization keeps climbing of course. One thing you got to remember is, when we say 53% fleet utilization that’s across our whole fleet right, small, medium and large horsepower. The large horsepower is 95% plus utilized. The medium horsepower is getting into that 60% range. And the small horsepower just kind of lays around 40%, 45%. So, frankly, it’s a small horsepower, it kind of drags that overall utilization down.

Richard Dearnley

Analyst

Right, right, I got – I understand. And then the third-party capacity, it sounds like that’s flexible, but how – what kind of capacity does that feel like it adds?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Well, we think it can be significant if we need it. The issue always like I mentioned is long lead times on the equipment, the engines and compressors primarily. So, it’s flexible to a degree, but you can’t sit here in March and say I want something in June, because you don’t have the parts and pieces. And we’ve still got to order that stuff because they just fabricate, right, so we ordered and ship it to them and they do their thing and count on our specs. So, it’s flexible as long as there’s 6 months or 7 months out.

Richard Dearnley

Analyst

Okay, okay, thank you.

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Okay. Thanks, Dick.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jason Wangler. Please state your question.

Jason Wangler

Analyst

Hey, good morning, Steve.

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Hey, Jason.

Jason Wangler

Analyst

Just wanted to ask on the pricing side, you kind of mentioned it in the previous question, but with the utilization kind of taking higher, it sounds like you said maybe competitors’ pricing starting to kind of firm up a bit, just where you see the kind of market going as likely to get better on the utilization side?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Yes, we’ve seen that, overall, the market is getting tighter, obviously, big horsepower is very tight, but even the medium stuff, we’re starting to see tighten up a little too, it depends on the model. But what we’ve seen in – in this kind of have to take a macro view of this a little bit, as I mentioned, we didn’t drop pricing as much in the downturn, we never do, our utilization suffers a little more than the general industry because of that and that’s – that’s a typical phenomena. We know it’s going to happen. We’re okay with it. So, we didn’t go down as much in pricing. So, everybody else went further, so, they’ve got to catch up some. And so what we’re seeing as that catch up is obviously raising the general price of the industry even though we’re kind of staying where we are right now, we’re going to let everybody else catch up to us at least close the gap on us to our normal 5% to 10% premium. And what we’re seeing is as the market pricing comes up, we’re getting more business because that gap is closing on that. So, still think it’s great when the plan comes together right.

Jason Wangler

Analyst

Right.

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

So, that’s what we’re seeing, just a general increase in industry pricing, we’re able to kind of stay in where we want and we’re making profit at that point. Now obviously, we’re increasing some pricing on some models and just like we’ve done for years, we use utilization to gauge which models we can go up on and which ones we need to hold on. So, we’ve got to – our pricing is more of a pinpoint for everybody else is a shotgun. We see a lot of approvals gone out there, 10% across the board or whatever. But remember most of our competitions lost money consistently throughout these downturns and we haven’t. So that’s the difference. So, we’re able to hold in a little better right now and I think that’s why we’re seeing some firming on mid-horsepower. The pricing is coming close to ours and then with our service, we’re able to win more jobs.

Jason Wangler

Analyst

Okay. That’s helpful. And then on the sales backlog just what’s the timing on that, I guess, to finish that, are we talking rest of this year, is it 12 months, so just kind of what we should be kind of thinking as you squeeze that into the fabrication side?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Yes, that 14 million will – it’ll be probably a 3-month to 4-month, I mean, 3 quarter to 4 quarter backlog.

Jason Wangler

Analyst

Okay.

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

A lot of times just quicker than that, but as I mentioned throughout, we’ve allocated more space to rental fabrications, so we’re being very particular on where we slot these sales units because we obviously want these big horsepower rental units going out. So, I think it’ll be a 3 to 4 – throughout the rest of this year essentially.

Jason Wangler

Analyst

Okay. I appreciate –

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

And hopefully we add to it as we go to.

Jason Wangler

Analyst

Okay, yes, well, if you can find the space, well –

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Yes.

Jason Wangler

Analyst

I appreciate it. Thanks, Steve.

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Okay. Thanks, Jason.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Tate Sullivan. Please state your question.

Tate Sullivan

Analyst

Hi, thanks. A couple of quick follow-ups.

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Hi.

Tate Sullivan

Analyst

You mentioned medium horsepower going out the door is mostly gas lift, is that the same with the larger horsepower out the door, if you can comment?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Yes, yes, the bigger units – and the difference is, the medium horsepower is wellhead gas lift, so you’re gas lifting maybe one or two wells, and the big horsepower more centralized gas lift, where you might be gas lifting 10 or 15 wells, but it’s essentially all gas lift is what we’re building or deploying from our existing fleet.

Tate Sullivan

Analyst

Okay, thanks. And a little preview of the 10-K customer mix or any meaningful changes that you can highlight are pretty conservative to previous years?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

No, I think everybody, I mean, we’ve increased our customer count, I was looking at that yesterday from around think about a year ago, 75 to 80 and we’re up to around 90, 95. So, the customer base is broadening back out, of course, in a downturn it shrinks a little too. So – and we’re not setting records on number of customers, but it is growing, but no I don’t think there’s any major shifts in the customer concentration right now.

Tate Sullivan

Analyst

Okay, thank you very much, Steve. Have a good rest of the day.

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Thanks, Tate. You too. Appreciate it.

Tate Sullivan

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Mike Urban. Please state your question.

Mike Urban

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning.

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Hey Mike.

Mike Urban

Analyst

Hi. So, the – with the outsourced fabrication capacity that you’re layering in here. Is that going to be primarily the rental stuff, this – equipment sales or is it more a function of production schedules and how that shakes out or it could be a little both?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

It’s going to be – right now it’s going to be primarily big horsepower, the bigger 1,400 horsepower units. Those are the ones that take up so much room and so much time that it really impacts the shop when you start putting those through. So that’s where we needed the most help. We can fit in most of the sales, our – say medium horsepower, so you can slot those in a little better, but the big ones take up, there’s i.e. it’s disrupting in a positive manner, they disrupt you to a shock because it take us so much time and space that that’s what we’re looking to outsource primarily just the bigger stuff.

Mike Urban

Analyst

Okay. So then the stuff your equipment sale margin shouldn’t really be impacted much, I guess, that’s where I was going, I mean, obviously, you’re going to have to pay these third-parties some things, I guess, just means maybe slightly higher CapEx and you would have otherwise, but your equipment sale margin shouldn’t be affected necessarily?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Right, right, exactly. We think the margins will stay in that 20% range, so, I mean, something we’re 20% plus or minus 2% or 3% by quarter and of course that varies. But that’s still a journey, the highest margin in the industry. But, yes, the outsource stuff, we’ll have to pay a little more obviously, but again remember, those are 3-year to 5-year rentals and we’ve got to absorb a little more cost on that and still look at good returns over the life.

Mike Urban

Analyst

Yes, makes sense. And then, I guess, just one kind of housekeeping question, apologize if I missed it. You gave us the unit count at the end of the year, what was the fleet horsepower at the end of the year?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Not sure I gave you that, but I didn’t. I think it was around 390,000 or 395,000 horsepower. I think that’s – I’m looking here in the notes, I’m sure I’ve got it here somewhere, but yes, okay, 398,765 horsepower, so almost 400,000 horsepower.

Mike Urban

Analyst

Okay, cool. And then last one for me, the utilization number 58% on a horsepower basis, 53% on a unit basis, was that – that’s at end of the year, right?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Yes, sir.

Mike Urban

Analyst

Of the average. Okay, that’s all for me. Thank you.

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Okay. Thanks, Mike.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Richard Dearnley. Please state your question.

Richard Dearnley

Analyst

Just a quickie for relative newbies. Your comment about your sales are largely medium horsepower. Could you talk about the economics of buying the medium versus running the large does – because running the rent on the large since there higher dollar go hand-in-hand with – we want to be cash flow neutral is the new mantra or what – what’s it work there?

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Well, I mean, it’s just simply what the customer has ordered and how they want to get it. It’s – we saw big horsepower in the past in small and medium and right now just the concentration has been primarily medium horsepower from a sale perspective and, of course, we’re really pursuing the rental market on the big. So, there’s not really too much of a impact from one to the other. It’s really just what the customer wants and how they perceive their requirements. The big horsepower rentals, those are getting pretty popular because number one, lots of capital involved in this stuff and an operator to operate this all time, they’re better off spending that capital on drilling a well than buying compression. So that – that’s important to them, bigger horsepower takes a lot more specialized technicians in the field and things like that. So rental horsepower, big rental horsepower become more popular. And again, the medium stuff, we’ve got a lot of medium stuff rented, but sometimes people just want to buy it. So, it just depends on how the orders come in and what they want to do.

Richard Dearnley

Analyst

Right. Okay, thank you.

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Thanks, Dick.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] At this time, we have no further questions.

Steve Taylor

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Please state your question

Okay. Thanks, Erica, and thank everybody for joining on this call. We look forward to a growing 2019. I appreciate your time this morning and look forward to vision with you again next quarter. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for attending.