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Insperity, Inc. (NSP)

Q1 2013 Earnings Call· Mon, Apr 29, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Thea and I will be your conference operator today. At this time I would like to welcome everyone to the Insperity First Quarter 2013 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] At this time, I would like to introduce today's speakers. Joining us are Paul Sarvadi, Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer; Richard Rawson, President; and Douglas Sharp, Senior Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Douglas Sharp. Mr. Sharp, please go ahead.

Douglas S. Sharp

Analyst

Thank you. We appreciate you joining us this morning. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that any statements made by Mr. Sarvadi, Mr. Rawson or myself that are not historical facts are considered to be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. Words such as expects, intends, projects, believe, likely, probably, goal, objective, outlook, guidance, appears, target and similar expressions are used to identify such forward-looking statements and involve a number of risks and uncertainties that have been described in detail in the company's filings with the SEC. These risks and uncertainties may cause actual results to differ materially from those stated in such forward-looking statements. Now let me take a minute to outline our plan for this morning's call. First I'm going to discuss the details of our first quarter 2013 financial results. Richard will discuss trends in our direct cost, including benefits, workers compensation and payroll taxes, and the impact of such trends on our pricing. Paul will then add his comments about the quarter and the major initiatives of our growth plan. I will return to provide our financial guidance for the second quarter and an update to our full year 2013 guidance. We will then end the call with a question-and-answer session. Now let me begin today's call by discussing our first quarter results. Today, we reported first quarter earnings of $0.51 per share, which was above the midpoint of our forecasted range. As expected, earnings declined slightly from the $0.54 per share reported in Q1 of 2012. This was a result of higher worksite employees and gross profit per worksite employee, offset by our recent investments, including the expansion of our Business Performance Advisors group and the implementation of our health care reform strategy. As for our key metrics,…

Richard G. Rawson

Analyst

Thank you, Doug. This morning I will fill you in on the details of our record setting first quarter gross profit results, then I will update everyone on our gross profit outlook for the balance of 2013 and I will conclude my remarks with an update to health care reform and how we see it affecting our business. As Doug just reported, our first quarter gross profit per worksite employee per month was $292, which was $3 per worksite employee per month, above the midpoint of our range and the highest gross profit we have ever had. Gross profit consisted of $192 average markup, $87 of surplus and $13 from the adjacent businesses. Now let me give you the details of each component. The average markup and the surplus were $1 per worksite employee per month better-than-expected and the adjacent business gross profit contribution was $2 per worksite employee per month better-than-expected. The additional $2 per worksite employee per month of adjacent business gross profit came from better-than-expected revenues as we saw a nice increase in cross-selling opportunities that began in the fall of 2012 and have continued into 2013. The $1 per worksite employee per month of additional surplus came from a $7 per worksite employee per month lower surplus in the payroll tax cost center, a $1 lower surplus from the workers' compensation cost center and offset by a $9 per worksite employee per month improvement in the deficit in the benefits cost center. Here are the details of each cost center. The $7 per worksite employee per month lower surplus in the payroll tax cost center came primarily from the distribution of worksite employee payroll in states with higher state unemployment tax rates than we had originally forecasted. Even though it affected us in Q1, this mix…

Paul J. Sarvadi

Analyst

Thank you, Richard. Today, my comments will focus on three of our 2013 major initiatives. First, I'll discuss the Business Performance Advisor ramp up designed to fuel our future growth. Second, I'll discuss our plans to leverage the complexities, compliance and cost of health care reform into more selling opportunities and options for Insperity. And third, I'll discuss the first signs of gaining traction in our adjacent business strategy and what this means to Insperity over the long term. Growing the number of trained Business Performance Advisors was the central focus for the first quarter. The number of trained Business Performance Advisors is the leading indicator for future growth for the company. Throughout our history, as we grow the number of trained sales staff, acceleration in worksite employee growth follows within 6 to 12 months. Last October, we determined our Business Performance Advisor training program, The Insperity selling system, was ready to rollout and we announced a plan to increase our team of advisors from approximately 240 to 300 in 2013. Since we made this decision, we've hired 114 new Business Performance Advisors, bringing our total number of BPAs to 325 today. New BPAs are counted in the trained BPA account after 2 months and 2 levels of training have been completed. 74 new BPAs completed their training in the first quarter, bringing the total trained BPA count to 264 in April, an additional 28 completed their training in April and 26 are scheduled for completion in May. I'm very pleased to report, over the next 2 months of this quarter, we expect to exceed our goal 300 trained Business Performance Advisors, a 25% increase over the fourth quarter of 2012. In addition to training new BPAs, we continued our certification training for experienced advisors through the University of Houston.…

Douglas S. Sharp

Analyst

Thanks, Paul. Now before we open up the call for questions, I'd like to provide our financial guidance for the second quarter and an update to our full year 2013 forecast. In general, we are slightly increasing our full year guidance as follows: we are continuing to forecast sequential unit growth over the remainder of the year within the range of our initial guidance; we are increasing our forecast of gross profit per worksite employee per month based on a slightly improved outlook on pricing and direct cost trends coming off of first quarter's positive results. As for our operating expenses, our revised forecast includes only slight changes in our spending, including incremental cost associated with being ahead of plan on the hiring of Business Performance Advisors. It also assumes a higher incentive compensation accrual to be paid only upon achieving higher operating results. Additionally, with the benefit of the actual first quarter results, we're able to refine a seasonal pattern in gross profit over the balance of the year. This resulted in some tweaking of gross profit between the quarters. So as for our key metrics guidance, we are forecasting average paid worksite employees in the range of 126,500 to 127,000 for Q2 and have updated our full year guidance to a range of 129,750 to 130,250. As Richard mentioned, we expect gross profit per worksite employee per month to be in the range of $260 to $263 for the full year, which is slightly higher than our initial guidance. As for the second quarter, we expect gross profit per worksite employee per month to be in the range of $253 to $255. The expected step down from first quarter's results reflects the seasonality associated with payroll taxes and the impact of increased participation in high deductible health plans.…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question will come from Jim MacDonald with First Analysis.

James R. MacDonald - First Analysis Securities Corporation, Research Division

Analyst

Could you give us an update on your sales in the first quarter and kind of how you expect new sales and attrition, how you expect that to pan out for the year?

Paul J. Sarvadi

Analyst

Yes, we had a solid quarter on both the sales and the retention front once we got past the year-end issues that we reported on last quarter. So retention settled back into the 1% range, and we'll expect them have to continue monthly retention -- monthly attrition, excuse me. And then on the sales side, we were at about 92% of our budget for the quarter. Of course first quarter always has a low budget, I mean, it accelerates throughout the year because of all the sales convention and training, et cetera that goes on. So we're -- things are in-line on that front, and we're expecting to see some acceleration now.

James R. MacDonald - First Analysis Securities Corporation, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And on the adjacent business units. What -- can you talk a little bit and give us some color about which ones are doing better and what made the -- made up for the success performance?

Paul J. Sarvadi

Analyst

Yes. We had -- we've really worked diligently over the last 6 months to get the selling system, the individual systems, within each of the business units and the integration between that and our BPAs and our inside sales staff so now that all that's in place and we're getting enough repetitions, we're starting to see it really, really gain, gain some traction. Over the past year or so Time and Attendance has kind of led the way and that continued. But we also had a very nice quarter out of our Performance Management and organization management unit. And as a portfolio, it was a 23% year-over-year revenue increase, and of course, over 30% of the gross profit line. So that's good. A lot more to come. But again, as I mentioned in my remarks, these businesses are new and we're going to allow that to kind of come on as upside as opposed to up in the forecast at this time.

James R. MacDonald - First Analysis Securities Corporation, Research Division

Analyst

One quick one, maybe for Doug, and then I'll get back in queue. Was the repurchase activity mostly late in the quarter? There doesn't seem to be too much of an effect in this quarter's share count and you're not kind of forecasting much of a carryover impact for next quarter. So just some thoughts on, in general, on what you've done and how you expect to continue the repurchase activity?

Douglas S. Sharp

Analyst

Yes. I mean, it's a combination of being a little bit late in the quarter. Now you also know we have restricted shares to our employees that adjust every year, and those are typically granted in the first quarter. So you had some offset of those that adjusted versus what we repurchased in the quarter, although we did repurchase in excess of the restricted grant vesting. And as I mentioned in my comments, although we don't forecast further share repurchases throughout the year, you can tell we've been active in that and I'd say at this point, our plan is to continue along the [indiscernible].

Operator

Operator

The next question will come from Tobey Sommer with SunTrust.

Tobey Sommer - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Question for you about health care and benefits. On the last conference call, you mentioned that the opportunity there is significant. But how it unfolds is a little bit fluid. And you mentioned health care exchanges. Do you have any refined thoughts on what the company's view is on health care exchanges? And whether you have any plans to develop anything internally?

Douglas S. Sharp

Analyst

Yes. Toby, the situation with the health care exchanges right now is just kind of -- it's still out there, it's still something that we can do if we need to. The demand for that right now doesn't seem to be as high as it was, maybe a quarter ago. And especially as we look at the carriers and kind of their commitment into some of these markets, and we think there's not going to be near as much rush to create exchanges like there was in the past. So it's kind of steady as you go, from our perspective.

Paul J. Sarvadi

Analyst

I think that the biggest different since last quarter was the admission that the exchanges are going to be weaker than originally expected and some of the implementation seems to be stumbling. We stand ready to implement a private exchange. Of course, express purposes if that becomes a way to go. There are some signs of some -- the resurgence of defined contribution plans for benefits, some going -- handled through an exchange, that might be a positive. But we're ready to -- our commitment was to be in a position to move forward with any options that make it better for our customer. But I would say at this point, as Richard said, one quarter further along, that's less of a threat and less of a an issue.

Tobey Sommer - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Okay. That's helpful. I wanted to ask a question about the sales force growth. You said you're running a little bit ahead of plan we've -- and you baked that into slightly higher expenses. How do you go about or when should we see kind of milestones to enable us to judge the success of the efforts to increase the sales force?

Paul J. Sarvadi

Analyst

Sure. I think the first step we have to look for is activity numbers. So in that -- that's what we're all over for this quarter that we're in right now. We want to see activity numbers up, you've got the number of advisors out there, let's get that first call number up, get the number of censuses and referrals to -- for adjacent business opportunities, let's see that activity move up. And then of course, in the next quarter, we'll start looking more at closing rates and in the third and fourth quarters in our Fall Campaign. Things are lining up very well to be in a position to really see the actual sales numbers in the fourth quarter be considerably higher.

Tobey Sommer - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst

And my last question has to do with the payroll taxes, Richard. Any kind of change in trend there or something of note that we should anticipate as kind of 2013 unfolds or you've just pretty set?

Richard G. Rawson

Analyst

Yes, now we're fine. The -- as I mentioned in my remarks, the real change was each year when we go to forecast for the year on the payroll tax side of things, we're estimating how many employees we're going to have in different -- in each state that's going to be sold and renewed going into the new year and then that, obviously, multiply times the tax rate in that state and the payroll dollars produces the amount of expense. So what happened this quarter was we actually had more employees and some higher unemployment rate states than what we forecasted, so the expense was actually higher in the quarter. Now, now that we made that adjustment into our forecast, it just didn't seem to be that big of a difference going into the second and third quarters and beyond because the difference between the allocation and the cost is kind of accentuated in the first quarter and basically flattens out as employees earn their wages throughout the balance of the year. People...

Douglas S. Sharp

Analyst

Many employees hit their pseudo wage limits in the first quarter.

Richard G. Rawson

Analyst

Yes.

Douglas S. Sharp

Analyst

So the surplus that we earn on the pseudo piece of payroll taxes is generally first quarter related so it shouldn't impact, to any significant degree, quarters going forward.

Tobey Sommer - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Thanks. That makes a lot of sense. Doug, can I get one last number question from you. What's the share count, kind of, as of today, so we could see kind of what the flow through is from the first quarter late repurchase?

Douglas S. Sharp

Analyst

I don't know. I think it's about 25.6 million or so. Right, maybe a little less than that since that was the average for the quarter and we bought some more towards the tail end of the quarter, but it's materially off that number.

Operator

Operator

The next question will come from Michael Baker with Raymond James. Michael J. Baker - Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division: As you get a better sense of some of these state regulations or state based regulations, are there any that stand out as better-than-average opportunities?

Paul J. Sarvadi

Analyst

Are you talking about health care reform? Michael J. Baker - Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division: Yes, health care reform. And as you know, it's going to vary by state, and just wondering if there are any particular ones, given recent dynamics, that are standing out in your mind as even greater than average opportunities?

Richard G. Rawson

Analyst

Yes, I would say that quite a few of them are going to be really good opportunities for us. And I'll just leave it at that for right now. But no, we -- it's really with the amount of regulations that hasn't been published yet, we see that as a big opportunity. We continue to look at how we have operated in the state of Massachusetts for 5 years now, since Romney Care went into existence. And it's been a great opportunity up there. And we just see that happening in all of the other states. Michael J. Baker - Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division: And then has reform itself changed your target market both in terms of employers size well as type, industry type?

Paul J. Sarvadi

Analyst

No, not at all. We have -- we typically have always used the client profile and selection process that deals with the type of businesses from a worker's compensation perspective and from turnover and low pay. And those are still be obviously at the forefront of our Workforce Optimization solution. But we still see some pretty significant opportunities in the nonworkforce Optimization solutions with the customers just with HCM, our payroll, separate payroll offering and our Time and Attendance. Because you see that one of the things that health care reform is bringing to the table is a significant amount of reporting. And the tracking of the information that businesses are going to have to provide comes out of 3 systems. One is the payroll system, one is the benefit system and one is the human resource system. And so trying to accumulate all of that separate information to do monthly reporting that's going to be required is going to be pretty onerous for a lot of the businesses and we see an opportunity there that's really good.

Richard G. Rawson

Analyst

I would add to that, that even though our target market for Workforce Optimization has not changed, like Richard mentioned, health care reform has teed up an opportunity for us to have more flexibility in how benefits get provided to our customer. And I believe it's going to create some new options for us on combinations of services that might fit more prospect beyond our original target for Workforce Optimization. So that's why we've geared up our agency, our insurance agency, so we can place coverage for customers that may want to be covered outside of our plans that are under our co-employment relationship. There's new flexibility and that always expands your market. And so we're looking forward to seeing that develop a little bit further as we go through this quarter and get some other items in health care reform locked down so we make sure we have the freedom and flexibility we're looking for. Michael J. Baker - Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division: And then based on conversations with prospects, is there any indication at this point, which way, which of your services is having a greater potential?

Paul J. Sarvadi

Analyst

Well, what's so interesting to me is here after 27 years now, it's like this spotlight on health care reform highlights the advantages of a co-employment relationship where you become a part of a much larger buying group for benefits and you end up in a situation where you're not the plan sponsor, you don't have the liability, you don't have so many of the issues that are very scary, frankly, for a business owner. And you don't have all this administrative work and complexity to figure out. You just say you take care of it. And that, I'm telling you, is really an opportunity to highlight our core business and I think it's going to get a lot of people to take a look at that, that maybe wouldn't have taken a look at it previously.

Operator

Operator

The next question will come from Jeff Martin with Roth Capital Partners.

Jeff Martin - Roth Capital Partners, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

I'm going to ask a similar question in a different way. Let's say someone wants to let Insperity handle their health care reform issues and the administration of it. Does that mean they become a Workforce Optimization client or is there another for them to get your help?

Paul J. Sarvadi

Analyst

Sure, it's not necessarily Workforce Optimization. I think it's the best way because it solves so many of the issues. In fact, it goes all the way to saying okay, fine, now you're done, don't worry about it, we'll take of their rest. So that's the ultimate solution for health care. But if they're not ready for that, let's just take the reporting issues. Richard just mentioned there's 3 systems involved. Normally right now, the information to do the reporting, the ongoing, monthly reporting, the data is a 3 system. We have worked, and are in the process of very soon, our systems will be what I'll call health care reporting compliant, so that somebody wants to solve that with our HCM system, having us do the payroll and we have all the HR information and the benefits and enrollment information, the HCM system, we'll have those reports ready to rock 'n roll. So if that's -- their biggest issue is the reporting side, we can help them there. But also, if they just simply want to evaluate what their benefit options are and find out what is their best benefit solution, we can handle that through the agency and in our case, of course, we would always want to group that with other offerings that we have. So I can see someone saying, "Hey, look I need to deal with health care reform. But you know what, I'm not ready to call for co-employment." Maybe they end up with our payroll, HCM, Time and Attendance system, as an administrative and reporting solution, coupled with our pay-as-you-go workers comp and benefit plan through our agency and they have a non-co-employment fairly comprehensive solution, handles a lot of the health care reform issues but leaves them with the liability and responsibility.

Richard G. Rawson

Analyst

And the cost.

Paul J. Sarvadi

Analyst

And the cost.

Jeff Martin - Roth Capital Partners, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

To that nature, with the sales force having more complex things to talk about, are you concerned at all that the number of first cost for sales person may go down?

Paul J. Sarvadi

Analyst

Well, actually, I think that the biggest issue we've had now since the recession is getting in the door with business owners because they've been kind of hunkered down and not very open to having meetings and discuss things. But their openness to having a meeting to discuss health care reform is very significant. And so that becomes our entrée in the door, I would be surprised if this doesn't create more of those opportunities. You are correct that our advisers have been kind of drinking through a firehose the last 6 months or so on training and so forth. But they're doing great and they're -- it's a matter of getting out and having the repetition so that they could be very effective. But I can tell you what we've equipped our advisors with, when they walk in the room, they're the smartest person in the room on health care reform, I can tell you that.

Jeff Martin - Roth Capital Partners, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Fantastic. And Paul, you mentioned the adjacent business units maybe reaching an operating profit contribution a little earlier than expected. Was curious if you could just elaborate on that in whatever way you want to?

Paul J. Sarvadi

Analyst

Well, I'm just looking forward to that day. It's not in the immediate future but it's certainly in the foreseeable future, and I don't want to put a date on it. For the reasons I've said, these businesses are young and developing and many of them have some huge upside potential in just a nominal number of deals. So when those occur, I don't know. The fact that I expect it to occur where our confidence level is not occurring has gone up tremendously and this quarter was a good reason to increase that confidence.

Operator

Operator

The next question will come from Mark Marcon with Robert W. Baird. Mark S. Marcon - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: I was wondering if, on the ABUs, can you just talk about which ones are actually seeing the most traction?

Paul J. Sarvadi

Analyst

Well, Time and Attendance is probably seeing the most and I think we -- that Time and Attendance system is going to be really critical for health care reform. And so, in fact, I can't see a company, that doesn't have a Time and Attendance system on January 1, 2014, those people are crazy. They're going to be having to track all of that data somehow. It becomes a major input to their reporting. So that's going to -- I think the traction there is excellent. We're in good shape on our sales team and our service team, our implementation teams. So that business is in decent shape. We just got to keep our nose to the grindstone. Our HCM system is new and just launched and just got new customers and it has incredible potential. It wasn't a big contributor in the quarter but has a lot of potential for us in the immediate future also health care reform related. As far as the traction in the recent period, I mentioned that Performance Management and Organization Planning part of our organization, they had a just a really good sales quarter, just speaks well of how nicely those SaaS products are being received in the marketplace. Mark S. Marcon - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: Great. And then can you talk a little bit -- I know some of it's still unfolding. But to what extent have you received clarity from some of the states with regards to the potential to offer single-employer plans versus whether or not you're going to have to multiemployer plans on the health care side?

Douglas S. Sharp

Analyst

We haven't had any dialogue or any new information on that front. It seems like across the board that the type of plan that we offer is certainly going to be allowed. And we haven't seen -- heard of anything to the contrary of that.

Paul J. Sarvadi

Analyst

We have a group working on that state by state to keep track of it at the state level and we do have flare ups here and there, now and then where something comes out about how this will be viewed and we're on the ground there very quickly to communicate how this works, how it's different, and at this point, we're comfortable with the structure of our program. And it is unique. The way we deliver our program, the way we've managed our plans, has a uniqueness to it that's identifiable and demonstrable. And so far so good, and we'll stay on top of that. Mark S. Marcon - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: I mean, when would you expect to get final clarity on that or is it possible to -- it's going to stay open ended?

Paul J. Sarvadi

Analyst

Yes.

Richard G. Rawson

Analyst

I would say that it's going to be open ended for a long period of time. I mean, the states are focused on trying to get the exchanges up and running and there's a lot of consternation going on about that and what we're hearing now is that, that some of the states that are -- have committed to having their exchange opened in October, is going to be nothing much more than a website. I mean, there's a lot of wood to chop between now and October and I wouldn't be surprised if even some potential discussion about extension happens. Mark S. Marcon - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: Can you talk a little bit more about Massachusetts, just in terms of your experience over there? And to what extent you think that, that's transferable to the nation at large from your perspective?

Richard G. Rawson

Analyst

Yes, I would say it's 100% transferable. We've actually gotten some videos from testimonials from clients of ours in Massachusetts that I think are either up on the website or getting ready to be put on the website, where they talk about the fact that using Insperity, how that has absolutely taken all the pain and agony of health care reform off the table for these companies. And that they're all different sized companies. And they all have different -- they're all in different businesses. And -- but they all have the same end result that this has really been a real savings for them in every way.

Paul J. Sarvadi

Analyst

Yes, we just 3 Massachusetts customers in a room around the table to talk about it and they said exactly what we're seeing out there, they said, well, "I don't know why anybody wouldn't go this route because you can't afford to take the time to learn about it, you can't take -- afford to take the time to comply and why would you, because you got to focus on your business." And so what -- that aspect in terms how a business person needs to react to sweeping legislative reform, that is exactly transferable to this situation in cross spend. Mark S. Marcon - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: And is Massachusetts like a higher penetrated market than the other northeastern markets around it?

Richard G. Rawson

Analyst

No. I wouldn't say that. I would say that...

Paul J. Sarvadi

Analyst

We did have great success in that market.

Richard G. Rawson

Analyst

We did, yes.

Paul J. Sarvadi

Analyst

Once we got this in place, we had a lot better results once we solved this problem. Mark S. Marcon - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: So once the problem came along, then it actually picked up? Your sales growth rate increased post?

Douglas S. Sharp

Analyst

Yes.

Paul J. Sarvadi

Analyst

Yes, it did.

Douglas S. Sharp

Analyst

Absolutely. Mark S. Marcon - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: Okay, great. And then can you talk a little bit about the OpEx pattern for Q3 to Q4, just the sequential changes?

Douglas S. Sharp

Analyst

From Q3 to Q4?. Mark S. Marcon - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: Yes. Just going from Q2 to Q3 and then Q3 to Q4.

Douglas S. Sharp

Analyst

Yes, Q2 to Q3, we have gone down by about $4 million or so. And that's primarily in the advertising line item. So as we did mentioned, we're having some advertising around health care reform as we speak today in promoting that and then we're going to take a little bit of a break in Q3 on that. And it's pick up -- It's going to pick up a little bit again in Q4 in the advertising line item as we go into the Fall Campaign, okay? So that's one of the major drivers from the Q2 to Q3 sequential pattern. And then from Q3 to Q4, we got it going down by $1 million or so, its primarily in the G&A area, I don't know the details behind that. But there's a little bit of a decrease in seasonal pattern from Q3 to Q4.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of the allotted time for the Q&A session. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Sarvadi for any closing remarks.

Paul J. Sarvadi

Analyst

Well, thank you, once again, for joining us today. We really appreciate all of your interest and your questions, and we look forward to seeing you again next quarter. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference call. You may now disconnect.