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Nortech Systems Incorporated (NSYS)

Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Sat, Nov 7, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Greetings. And welcome to the Nortech’s Third Quarter 2015 Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now pleasure to introduce your host. Paula Graff, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Nortech. Thank you. Ms. Graff. You may begin.

Paula Graff

Analyst

Thank you, good morning and welcome to Nortech Systems third quarter fiscal 2015 conference call. I’m Paula Graff, Vice President and CFO. With me today is Rich Wasielewski, Nortech’s President and CEO. Following my brief introduction, Rich will offer comments on our initiative industry trends and our first quarter result. Then we’ll open up the call for questions. As we begin, please be advised that statements made during this call maybe forward-looking and are subject to risk factors and uncertainties. Please see the Safe Harbor statements in our press release and SEC filings. Now I turn the call over to Rich Wasielewski. Rich?

Rich Wasielewski

Analyst

Thanks, Paula, and good morning, everyone. Our third quarter saw, plus executed on several key strategies and events. We acquired and integrated design engineering service from Devicix specializing in medical devices. We had billing from our new PCB operation out of Mexico after absorbing ramp up cost over the past several months. Our expansion in China move forward with several milestones accomplished. We selected our location, secured an agreement on a facility lease, hired the plant OP manager, all keeping us on track and on plan for a mid-2016 production launch. We moved our corporate offices to a new location in Maple Grove, Northwest suburb of Minneapolis. The new offices provide needed space for growth and expansion for our engineering, strategic sourcing and business development teams. Creating a more collaborative environment building on the One Nortech solution for our customers. And we continued our 25th anniversary celebration recognizing three facilities, honoring their heritage and commitment in Nortech and its customers. The event included testimonials from defense customers emphasizing the importance of our product and service to our troops in our military operations. And from our strategic medical customers how we helped improve and save people’s life. It was always good for our -- its always good for our employees to hear directly from our customers and how important they are not only to the OEM, but the end user of the applications. Their pride and job satisfaction shows up in our quality and workmanship and that's why they come to work. Looking at the economy and industrial trend, on the economy, we agree with many of our peer companies that we are still experiencing mix performances. Pockets of sluggish and pockets of improving demand vary by markets and by customers. We are feeling some macro-economic impacts in our customers are…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Mark Franklin with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question.

Mark Franklin

Analyst

Good morning, the only question I have relates to the acquisition. I was quite surprised when I review that -- to find out that you had paid quite a substantial premium over fixed asset, in fact I think you pick up $100,000 of tangible assets and you paid 5.3 million. Your intangibles at the end of the second quarter were about little over 100,000 now they are 5.4 million. What made this company with apparently run rate of about 4.5 million in revenues worth such a gigantic premium over tangible assets and why was it worth your tangible book value declining from 22 million to less than 17 million and your book value per share tangible going from over 8 to around 6?

Rich Wasielewski

Analyst

Throughout the call today I provided the market background for you, so you can see just through the FDA how that impacts our combined medical device production business with the engineering side, roughly 40-45 FDA certified products through our company before the acquisition, now we’re with a firm that has done -- combined now a firm that we can communicate over 300 items through that, very impressive here in our marketplace. The growth in medical devices is there, where we’re at it provides a different type of return. The current core business added height would be a 6% EBITDA generally we play in the 4 to 6 range companies our size and in the core business only play in that, when you move into the engineering and the medical side and grow that business especially on the device and medical device side the multiples are much greater. We did of course take that into consideration and the first -- it's only one quarter but we’re now just through one quarter and have experienced about a three times multiple to our current core business EBITDA. So we feel if the acquisition, if it continues through the performance that we did for the acquisition and for the first quarter it will add strategic value growth in an area of that’s much needed which is the gross margin and take us to that early engagement that we were missing.

Mark Franklin

Analyst

Is there any pro forma published, anywhere I take to look in your queue I couldn’t find any.

Rich Wasielewski

Analyst

We don’t go forward we do have in the acquisition, there is the table saying what it was with and without Devicix, I think the nine months it showed about a $0.07 improvement for the nine months of 2015. So I think we’re in the $0.25 loss area and with them included if for the whole year we'd be at $0.18. So you are getting a feel for the improvements that it can make for us.

Mark Franklin

Analyst

It's in the September 2, I haven’t reviewed the whole thing.

Rich Wasielewski

Analyst

If you look in the acquisition note you'll find it.

Mark Franklin

Analyst

Okay I’ll take a look, but still seems like, if you go over the price given -- your company was selling at half a book value, now its two-thirds of book value.

Rich Wasielewski

Analyst

The company is transforming Mark. It's transforming to more early engagement and design, but not only is the company doing it, the industry is doing it. The combination of design and manufacturing is what the competition has done, what the big boys have against us and we now can have a level playing field.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Sheldon Grosky with Grosky Associates. Please proceed with your question.

Sheldon Grosky

Analyst · Grosky Associates. Please proceed with your question.

Looks like you were juggling a lot of balls and had a lot of balls in the air at the same time in the third quarter, so hopefully you won't drop them.

Rich Wasielewski

Analyst · Grosky Associates. Please proceed with your question.

We feel the same way.

Sheldon Grosky

Analyst · Grosky Associates. Please proceed with your question.

So at least some of this behind you, you move your headquarters, you're starting up Mexico, you acquired -- that’s a lot for one quarter. So let me ask you about Mexico and China. Are you expecting the facilities there to add to revenues or to reduce revenues from other American facilities?

Rich Wasielewski

Analyst · Grosky Associates. Please proceed with your question.

When we get into the growth that we’re experiencing and the early engagement and the box build type at that the industry is growing on we want to be a little more selective on our customer end business in the long run. We like to build domestically more profitable better gross margin business so we can provide more value added. The two you mentioned Mexico and Asia, let's take Mexico, as a much different scenario, we've already been there for 12 years, we’re establish, it's one of our better producing facility both in delivery and quality and the team that was there were making cables and wires assemblies complex -- they got more and more complex throughout the 12 years that we've had them and it turned out there are lot of the team members on our staff of the leadership team has a PCAB experience. So, it was a logical expansion for us and our customers have been asking for it. Over the last 10 years or so, the supply chain has gotten better even, when we went there for cables it was tough on the connector, interconnects and wiring, we almost like we were the leading edge of the supply chain but now it's more robust, you've seen more U.S. companies, OEMs moved down there, primarily to do -- were located in Monarca [ph] primarily to do their own PC boards. So, we're getting some of that business now because we're down there and that's generally driven by our customers that want to be there and they're having production in the country. So there's not as much benefit because in the SMT world there is not as much as labor but the legacy boards do have lot of [indiscernible] that creates to some of that labor, that's needed down there and that labor cost saving. So, it's a long answer, Sheldon, I'm sorry on that. We do not expect any dilution. As a matter of fact the project when it went down the Mexico had -- we have two PC board houses here in The United States, each one of them had identified $2 million out of each, so $4 million transfer and that would be to extend of it. So, it's not a huge amount of movement, it's mostly for customers that want to produce in country, for country or for specific cost reasons. The Asia one, there is a movement with the large global customers to produce in country, for country. Our Mexico operation is very -- for the North America is very competitive with Asia now and we expect that concept to grow in both countries and they will grow as the OEMs produce more in those countries and that's I think the biggest point to get to you Sheldon.

Sheldon Grosky

Analyst · Grosky Associates. Please proceed with your question.

Let's go over to that other little question, profitability. Now I'm looking at the Q and I'm looking at the pro-forma of Q and the pro-forma of Q seems to show that you would have been profitable lot on pro-forma basis for the third quarter, have you had the Devicix on board and I might be missing -- I'm not exactly an expert of what I'm reading here, but that looks like --.

Rich Wasielewski

Analyst · Grosky Associates. Please proceed with your question.

You're saying -- we don't know - I think it was $0.02 loss in the third quarter, I think you're looking at the far right with the nine-months and that was from the -- that's from 2015 year to date if we had --.

Sheldon Grosky

Analyst · Grosky Associates. Please proceed with your question.

I was looking at the left actually which is 2014, okay.

Rich Wasielewski

Analyst · Grosky Associates. Please proceed with your question.

Right.

Sheldon Grosky

Analyst · Grosky Associates. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. But in any case, how soon should we optimistically expect a profit from Nortech. You mentioned that you have a good backlogs, it sounds like lot of things are following in places, is the December quarter to fast to hope for?

Rich Wasielewski

Analyst · Grosky Associates. Please proceed with your question.

No, not for where I’m sitting. We've got some good momentum going, I was a little more cautious on this and at last call said sometime in the second half. I think we hit that mark, we made considerable progress hitting the income from operations even though with 23,000 or almost to breakeven, it was a 400,000 improvement from the quarter before and the Mexico startup is behind us, it's contributing to the top line it's not taken away and Devicix has been accretive already and that's a very positive, our big OEM medical guidance is forecasting an increase which we didn't expect going into the fourth quarter, we planned on it being flat like it's been for the first two and three quarters. So, we have good momentum and what 24 million backlogs that's huge, that's as big a backlog as we've had. Devicix, the Engineering service only 1.3 of it, still takes that out you’re still at 22 and some change. It’s one of the largest backlogs we had since 2009. So I’m pretty confident, I don't know -- you’re trying to give you out on line there, but just I’m pretty confident that we can turn the quarter and that's why we went through the gross margin actions that we’re taking

Sheldon Grosky

Analyst · Grosky Associates. Please proceed with your question.

One other question related to what we were just talking about, you mentioned that there was fast ramp up of revenues between July and September, you mentioned that by the run rate through September was already putting some strain on the company, is that momentum continuing from September or is September looking like was a peak month?

Rich Wasielewski

Analyst · Grosky Associates. Please proceed with your question.

It appears to be peaked out. Like I said, we did like 9 million, 8.3 and then whatever the difference is there it’s about 11.7 [ph]. It really was sum that was two things, with the sum was some past dues, from the other two months, some delays in new products and the reason we could do that much was because we -- a lot of it came from our con-bond and vendor managed finished goods inventory, so we were okay. That had -- of course that could get replenish. We’re seeing it more stable across the board October, November and December and the backlogs are very strong and they’re even getting better as we speak. But we should not -- it should be a little more manageable because it’s more straight lined.

Sheldon Grosky

Analyst · Grosky Associates. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Maybe you have successfully [indiscernible]. Okay thank you.

Rich Wasielewski

Analyst · Grosky Associates. Please proceed with your question.

Well, we see all we did. Sheldon, but thanks, making us feel good, somebody appreciates it.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mitch [indiscernible] with Wedbush Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I’m a bit of a new comer to the company. Some of my questions might be easy for you but [multiple speakers] you are talking about ongoing cost reduction efforts and that would sort of imply a recognition that certain cost were out of line and with ongoing, if you could go into that a little bit more and the magnitude and the expected impacts on your both gross and pre-tax margins that would help me around my brain around this a little bit.

Rich Wasielewski

Analyst

Yes. I think if you look at the 10-Q you will see our major customer in the medical side that dropped from I don't know 26% to 18% of sales. So if that 6 points and roughly a $100 million you can calculated that's $5 million or $6 million down to a major medical accounts that only helps us out with margin in the medical side also helps us out with absorbing those plants and utilizations. So that was -- that customer and product mix, it was huge for the first nine months. It was good to see a little increase from them in the third quarter, which helped but we’re seeing even a larger increase here come in the fourth quarter. So that's the first place that we’re looking at the higher labor because of some of the investments that we made in Mexico and expansion on operation and the acquisition it put some constraints on us investing in more automation and that hasn’t helped us either, so we’re trying to get that back, we’re looking for the capital to be more targeted at automation in the near future.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

So that would be a CapEx aimed at reducing production cost as opposed to an existing cost line that's out of wack, right?

Rich Wasielewski

Analyst

Well, yes when you do -- when you have for us anyway because we’re not capital intensive, but when you have two major investments as this, outside the ongoing business cycle it puts a constraint on that CapEx side. But we’ve gotten through that and now we’re all looking at plans, we’re prioritizing the ones that give us the biggest bank for the buck.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. My next question has to do with the acquisition and you mentioned the revenue contribution and that its accretive, and looking at your historic margins I guess gross margins and they’re already double-digits and pre-tax margins around the percent or so, if I overlay that on top of the price paid for the acquisition, I’m coming up with a number of -- if you got 4.4 million a year in revenues, if that's your run rate and you’re making a couple of percent that’s somewhere between 44,000 and 88,000 a year and trying to, I guess I’m looking for some input as to why -- maybe the margins that had business or going to be a lot higher than your historic business and if they are not, what’s the strategy, what’s the synergy that’s going to allow both the design and the build to be a lot bigger and more profitable?

Rich Wasielewski

Analyst

Well there are two areas the medical device by far, is our best margin product. We don't necessarily want our competition to know what we’re quoting or get so that’s a little harder position to answer that question. I think there is two pieces of information that you heard today, one if you got to the Q you're going to see that, the Devicix folks, if they were in with us for the nine months would have generated the $0.07 per share improvement. That’s roughly a pretax number about $40,000 to $45,000 per cent. So you're talking about $280,000 to $300,000 bucks, a good guys so far for nine months, if you get another $100,000 that would be about $400,000 of accretiveness for us. And $404 million is 10%, bottom-line you just said we’re doing historically 1%, I would say that pretty good trade off from my seat.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And then the last one and again pardon my inexperience here a bit, just has to do with capital allocation with your stock trading at that pretty material discount to its tangible book, and understanding that you have the -- now some debt on the balance sheet as result of the acquisition. Is there a time when you could envision outgain capital towards share buybacks and would your current borrowing arrangement permit that?

Rich Wasielewski

Analyst

I think our current borrowing arrangement would allow that, we’re on an asset based banking which they would just have to approve it and depending on the time today given our performance is not right. We look at trying to get more float out there, I would say all the time. It's kind of time like the capacity studies, they are ongoing. It's part of our DNA. But I think the timing for investors at least from my seat is good given everything that we've done as, Sheldon said we bit off quite a bit here at one time, but I didn't really have much to say about the timing. We planned PCBs, the acquisition came on. And I think it's a same thing with what you're mentioning there. I think if we can bounce back here in the fourth quarter and to 2016, then we can answering some of those questions for you, but float is definitely a piece of our strategy and how we can get more out there, and there are -- we have this -- I don't think we’ve discussed necessarily on this conference call, but we have discussed it in the board room and they are very interested in doing that.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

When you're talking about float, I think you're talking about getting more shares out there?

Rich Wasielewski

Analyst

Possibly again more shares out there, yes.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

But when you’re operating at a discount, how in the world could you do that on a basis that is feasible for shareholders, that wasn’t dilutive --.

Rich Wasielewski

Analyst

I said it was timing, I'm not saying today or in the near future. It's an option for the future, it's one of the ones we look at. So it is not the right time to do that or with the performance that we have.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the floor back over to management for closing comments.

Rich Wasielewski

Analyst

Well if there is no further questions, we’ll conclude today's call. Thank you for your interest in Nortech. And have a great day.