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NetApp, Inc. (NTAP)

Q1 2021 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 27, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the NetApp First Quarter Fiscal Year 2021 Conference Call. My name is Joelle, and I will be your conference call coordinator for today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will be given at that time. I will now turn the call over to Kris Newton, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please proceed, Ms. Newton.

Kris Newton

Management

Thank you for joining us. With me today are our CEO, George Kurian; and CFO, Mike Berry. This call is being webcast live and will be available for replay on our Web site at netapp.com. During today’s call, we will make forward-looking statements and projections with respect to our financial outlook and future prospects, such as our guidance for the second quarter fiscal year 2021; our expectations regarding future revenue, profitability and shareholder returns; and our ability to return to growth, gain share, and scale our business, all of which involve risk and uncertainty. We disclaim any obligation to update our forward-looking statements and projections. Actual results may differ materially for a variety of reasons, including macroeconomic and market conditions, including the continuing impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, the IT capital spending environment, and our ability to expand our total available market, capitalize on our Data Fabric strategy, generate cash flow and execute our capital allocation strategy. Please also refer to the documents we file from time-to-time with the SEC and available on our Web site, specifically our most recent Form 10-K for fiscal year 2020, including the management’s discussion and analysis of financial condition and results of operations and risk factor sections and our current reports on Form 8-K. During the call, all financial measures presented will be non-GAAP unless otherwise indicated. Reconciliations of GAAP to non-GAAP estimates are posted on our Web site. I’ll now turn the call over to George.

George Kurian

Management

Thanks, Kris, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. We hope that you all are staying safe and healthy. As we navigate the health, economic and social changes impacting all of us, we continue to focus on what we can control and improve our operational execution. In the face of an uncertain environment, NetApp performed well in the quarter, with revenue, operating margin and EPS all exceeding our guidance. I want to thank all of our employees for their hard work in the midst of this pandemic. Due to the global pandemic, the macroeconomic and IT spending environments remain challenging, consistent with what we saw exiting Q4. Despite these pressures, enterprises are prioritizing transformational and hybrid cloud projects, which drove our momentum as customers turn to NetApp to help them accelerate these plans. At NetApp, we work hard to be the best partner to our customers, a value that is even more important during these particularly challenging times. We continue to deliver heightened support for customers delivering vital public health and safety services, first responders and public sector institutions. For IT teams affected by the pandemic, we are offering 25 terabytes of NetApp Cloud Volumes Service for Google Cloud free of charge. We also extended our partner financing program to assist partners and customers in managing their cash flow. Uncertainty remains high, but we are moving into a new normal and adjusting to operate in a virtual environment. The majority of NetApp employees are working from home and have quickly built the muscle of interacting with each other, our customers and our partners remotely. Our sales teams are getting in front of buyers to meet and build demand. The number of Executive Briefing Center visits, now held virtually, increased by more than 50% over briefings held in…

Mike Berry

Management

Thank you, George. Good afternoon everyone and thank you for joining us. As a reminder, I’ll be referring to non-GAAP numbers unless otherwise noted. As George noted, despite the continued macro uncertainty in Q1 as a result of COVID-19, we delivered revenue, operating margin and EPS above the high-end of guidance. Importantly, solid execution by the sales team, in a very difficult environment, yielded Q1 billings of $1.15 billion, up 6% year-over-year. In Q1, net revenue of $1.3 billion increased 5% year-over-year, including a point of currency headwind. Our two key strategic focus areas; our storage business, powered by our industry-leading file, block and object software, and Public Cloud Services, both outperformed the market in the quarter. Our all-flash revenue of $567 million was up 34% year-over-year, nicely positioning us for share gains in the quarter. We remain confident in the growth opportunity for all-flash adoption. At the end of Q1, 25% of our installed systems were all-flash, providing a healthy runway as customers continue to embrace the cloud-connectivity and investment protection offered by our flash solutions. Public Cloud Services delivered an impressive $178 million in ARR, growing 192% year-over-year and 60% sequentially. Our recent acquisitions of Spot, CloudJumper and Talon contributed a total of $44 million of ARR as of the end of the quarter. Even excluding these acquisitions, the growth of our Public Cloud Services business accelerated to 120% year-over-year. We plan to provide an updated framework for our Public Cloud Services opportunity at our upcoming virtual Analyst Day. Total product revenue of $627 million decreased approximately 3% year-over-year. In the quarter, we saw growth in our largest global enterprise accounts as customers initiated digital transformation and hybrid cloud projects. To provide improved visibility into the value created by our high-margin software franchise, we are now breaking out…

Kris Newton

Management

Thanks, Mike. We’ll now open the call for Q&A. Please be respectful of your peers and limit yourself to just one question so we can get to as many people as possible. Operator?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Amit Daryanani with Evercore. Your line is now open.

Amit Daryanani

Analyst

Thanks a lot for taking my question, guys. I will stick to one question. I guess just a question on your cloud services ARR metrics that you guys gave out. It’s obviously really impressive even if I take the deals out, I think it’s up mid-20% sequentially, 120% growth year-over-year. Can you perhaps maybe help us understand how much of that growth do you think is coming from existing customers as they migrate to off-premise and kind of taking their ONTAP solution with them versus net new customers – net new logo wins that are coming to you? So is there a way to break that growth down between existing customers versus net new customers, that would be really helpful?

George Kurian

Management

We saw growth in the cloud business from a lot of new customers new to NetApp where about half of our new to NetApp customers for the quarter came through our cloud business and a good chunk of the cloud customers were new workloads, meaning new wallet in accounts where we have presence. So the substitution of on-prem workloads to the public cloud was the smallest part of the growth of our overall cloud business. We are seeing the use of cloud increasingly for disaster protection and business continuum purposes. We’ve had several wins during the quarter where customers combine our on-premise all-flash array business with a flexible disaster protection copy in the cloud. So we’re very, very pleased with the progress in our cloud business. Our hyperscalers are helping us scale. We’re getting new logos, new wallets in existing customers and building new architectures for customers as well.

Kris Newton

Management

All right. Thanks, Amit. Next question?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Rod Hall with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Rod Hall

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Yes. Hi. Thanks for the question. I wanted to start off back to the CDS run rate and just ask maybe, George, could you just comment a little bit on Azure NetApp Files? It seems like as much as that’s growing 120%, it’s about the same growth rate year-over-year as last quarter. And I thought – kind of when we started this journey, I thought that the addressable market of that was quite a bit larger and I just wonder if you still believe it’s a pretty big addressable market, is it blow on the come [ph] or is it on track with what you expected, maybe just comment on that. Then I have a follow up.

George Kurian

Management

We’ve always said that we are moving customers’ most important workloads to the cloud. So these workloads are incredibly sticky once they’re deployed in the cloud, but they require planning and deliberations before you do that. What we saw through the course of the quarter again was sequential acceleration of our cloud storage business where not only did our business with Microsoft grow, but our business with the other hyperscalers were also up to really good starts. We are seeing the software-based solutions which complement the high-performance Azure NetApp Files use cases growing nicely and our acquisitions are allowing us access to net new customers and new wallets, the compute wallet [indiscernible] desktop as a service wallet in customer. So I couldn’t be more pleased about the progress. We will tell you more about the long-term expectations of our cloud business at our Virtual Analyst Day.

Rod Hall

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Okay. And then for a follow up, I wanted to just double check. It looks like – you haven’t mentioned ELA, so I assume in the July quarter there is very little or – that I just wonder Mike if you could just clarify the ELA number for the quarter? And then also connected to that, the core product margins in the guidance, I don’t know if you’d be willing to tell us what you think the trajectory there is just so we can kind of get our heads around that? I know you made the comment on gross margins, but anything you can give us on what you’re thinking on core product gross margin trajectory would be helpful? Thanks.

Mike Berry

Management

Sure, Rod. So on the first one on ELA – so it lasted until the second question, so that’s good. What I would say is we told you last quarter that we are not going to discuss ELAs. My comment there would be if we do anything of significance size, you absolutely will see it in the financial statements, you’ll see it in margin and also now with us breaking out software revenue as a part of product revenue, you’ll also see it there. So you’ll be able to track that for any significant ELAs going forward. On core product, so we’ve guided to a pretty consistent core product margin as it relates to the areas that we discussed, NAND pricing as well as COVID pricing. Given the uncertainty in the economy, we are conservatively assuming something relatively similar going forward. We do expect there to be a little bit of help on NAND pricing as we go through the rest of the year, but that’s a little out of our control, Rod. It’s really based on industry supply and demand.

Rod Hall

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Great. Okay. Thanks a lot, Mike. That’s helpful.

Kris Newton

Management

All right. Thanks, Rod. Next question?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Karl Ackerman with Cowen. Your line is now open.

Sam Reiff

Analyst · Cowen. Your line is now open.

Hi. This is Sam on for Karl. I was just wondering if you could give the puts and takes on the OpEx guide in context of the restructuring program that should begin hitting the P&L this coming quarter per the press release? I’m aware that last quarter had an extra week, but I would have guessed that OpEx would have been guided a bit lower than what you did based on the savings. And then related to that, could you guys characterize how the heads that you’ve been adding through the year are gaining traction or efficiency in this relatively difficult selling environment? Thank you.

Mike Berry

Management

Okay. Hi, Sam. It’s Mike. I’ll take the first one. So when you look at the guide for OpEx, the midpoint of the guide about 660, last year we did about 631, so I’ll do a year-over-year for you is that the acquisitions will add about 20 million of expenses year-over-year. So that is something obviously new year-over-year and that’s all three of them together. We will have higher variable pay. Last year from a bonus and a commission perspective, the accruals were quite low given the performance. And then that will be offset by about 15 million of savings from the restructuring. Keep in mind that that’s only two of three months that we’ll get the credit for. So that’s your year-over-year walk on OpEx.

George Kurian

Management

The second question that you had asked was about the productivity of the team that we hired. They are deployed and they are contributing well to our business. You see that strength in both for the enterprise storage systems in software business as well as the growing contribution of our cloud business. So we’re pleased we’re off to a good start and we’re excited that the momentum that those heads add to our business.

Sam Reiff

Analyst · Cowen. Your line is now open.

Got it. Thank you.

Kris Newton

Management

Thank you, Sam. Next question?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Next question comes from Mehdi Hosseini with SIG. Your line is now open.

Mehdi Hosseini

Analyst · SIG. Your line is now open.

Yes. Thanks for taking my question. The first one has to do with some color on the October quarter. If I just take your commentary, it suggests that product revenue included ASA which show a higher decline on a year-over-year basis, especially when I compare to July they had only a 3% decline. Is that just a reflection of an extra week in the July quarter? And I have a follow up.

George Kurian

Management

The July quarter did not include any transactional revenue from the extra week. We had about 40 million as we explained in our prepared remarks from the services revenue in the July quarter due to the extra week. With regard to the October quarter, I’ll just say at a high level we see the October quarter relatively the same from a macro perspective and a demand perspective that we see in the current quarter. So I would say that you’re looking at the business more on a sequential basis rather than a year-on-year basis. We have continued to monitor the market. I would tell you that it’s hard for me to predict the seasonality of our business. And so we’re giving you an outlook on a quarterly basis. And so far what we see in the October quarter is somewhat similar to what we see in the July quarter.

Mehdi Hosseini

Analyst · SIG. Your line is now open.

Got it. Thank you for all the detail. Just quickly looking at the longer term, is there any way we can articulate an update on your efforts on Kubernetes? And I’m sure you’re going to explain at the Virtual Analyst Day, but any preview you can provide us.

George Kurian

Management

Kubernetes is a technology that grows very quickly as the new way to deploy applications and manage infrastructure. NetApp has excellent solutions for customers who are building applications using containers and Kubernetes. We have two of those solutions that work in concert; the persistent storage solution both using our Trident software and Project Astra provide customers really capable application data management capabilities, and the technology that we acquired with Spot allows customers to really optimize the cost and the effectiveness of their Kubernetes application environment. So we’re really excited. We have some state-of-the-art solutions that customers are adopting and we’ll tell you more about it on our Virtual Analyst Day.

Mehdi Hosseini

Analyst · SIG. Your line is now open.

Okay. You said you had two updates; persisting cash and…?

George Kurian

Management

And the compute optimization that we acquired with Spot that is particularly helpful in Kubernetes environment.

Mehdi Hosseini

Analyst · SIG. Your line is now open.

Got it. Thank you.

Kris Newton

Management

All right. Thanks, Mehdi. Next question?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Matt Cabral with Credit Suisse. Your line is now open.

Matt Cabral

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is now open.

Thank you. Really strong inflection in all flash that you guys saw during the quarter. Just wondering if you could dig a little bit more into what drove that and then just how sustainable you think growth in all flash is going forward, especially as the compares get much more difficult from here?

George Kurian

Management

Our all-flash array business was powered by two key things. The first is the strength of our technology, both the differentiation that we have with flash objects storage as an archival tier and hybrid cloud. And the second is the trust and confidence that the world’s biggest companies are placing in NetApp. So we took several data center environments in large customers away from competitors like Hitachi and most importantly Dell. The power stored product that they have brought to market is not being well received by customers and we are displacing them in several accounts. All flash will continue to be a growing part of the total storage market. It has excellent economics and operational capabilities for customers that the amount of spending customers make on all flash in an absolute dollar sense will of course be a consideration of the macroeconomic environment and IT landscape. We will tell you more about our outlook for the storage market at Virtual Analyst Day. What I’m confident about is that with the focus and operational execution that we now have in the field, we are going to be in a strong position to gain share in the all-flash array market.

Matt Cabral

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is now open.

Got it. Thank you.

Kris Newton

Management

All right. Thank you, Matt. Next question?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Next question comes from Aaron Rakers with Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

Aaron Rakers

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

Yes. Thanks for taking the question. I’ll stick to one as well and also congratulations on the results. Just kind of back on the all-flash business, I guess the one metric that stands out to me is I think you mentioned 25% of your installed base is now in all flash. If my memory is correct, I think last quarter it was 24% and I think even a year ago it was 22%. So it seems like – help me understand why that is inflecting higher, what’s going to drive a broadening or an accelerated inflection in all flash in your opinion? Maybe also in that context, how much is your installed base growing?

George Kurian

Management

Our installed base continues to grow and the fact that with strong growth rates in all-flash array, we move the penetration 1% at a time is just a dimension of the magnitude of our growing installed base. These are very, very big installed base numbers you’re talking about. One flash array replaces a few disk-based systems, but I think that what we see as the face of adoption is really a representation of customer spend, right, their propensity to spend. Our view is that flash, as I just mentioned, will continue to be a priority for customers in terms of the wallet that they spend on storage. They will spend more in flash than on disk-based systems. There are more cost effective technologies that will continue to increase that percentage of the total market, but there will always be a place for disk-based hybrid flash systems as well. I think if you were to try to take an expectation, I would say that listen, over several quarters, we increased the percentage of our installed base 1% to 2% sequentially, right. And so we’re focused on it. It’s a large runway ahead and it’s an asset that continues to provide us good opportunities to sell more value to customers.

Aaron Rakers

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

Thank you.

Kris Newton

Management

Thank you, Aaron. Next question?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Next question comes from Tim Long with Barclays. Your line is now open.

Tim Long

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is now open.

Thank you. I wanted to ask a little bit about the new split of product between hardware and software. Just a little more color if you could, kind of how do you demarcate that, how do you split that out? It doesn’t look like the mix between the two has changed much, why is that? Is that ELA driven or something else? And what can we learn about margins between – within those two buckets within product, does that imply that given the software I’m assuming is pretty high that the real hardware box type gross margins are much lower than what we’re seeing for the whole group? Thank you.

Mike Berry

Management

Hi, Tim. It’s Mike. So great question. So a couple of things in there to jump into. One is and you’ll see in the press release, we do include in the non-GAAP section some descriptions of how we come up with that revenue. It’s basically the estimated fair value allocation of those transaction prices based on what we’ve done with our customers similar to how we have to allocate revenue across the board. So there’s a good explanation in there, but it’s basically an estimated fair value of those components. The software and hardware components will move around a little bit. You mentioned ELA. That will certainly have an influence on what goes into each quarter. If you remember how those were accounted for back when we had a good number of those. From a margin perspective, I think you can assume that it’s going to be typical software margins as it relates to our business as well. So it’s going to be higher than the product margin average and the hardware will be lower. But I’ll also caution that really depends by product. It’s going to move around a little bit. So we want to break it out to your great question so that we can also start highlighting the growth of software maintenance because those will move together. And as we continue to sell more AFF, our expectations that we would expect the component of software and the resulting software maintenance would also increase as a percentage. So hopefully that helps. Thanks for that question.

Tim Long

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is now open.

Thank you and thanks for the disclosure.

Kris Newton

Management

Thanks, Tim. Next question?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Next question comes from Katy Huberty with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Katy Huberty

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Thank you. Good afternoon. I want to ask just a couple of clarifying questions about your guidance commentary from earlier in the Q&A. First, Mike, on gross margins, I heard your comment that product margins would be flat sequentially. But if I apply the first quarter segment margins to the expected revenue mix in the second quarter, I get a total gross margin that’s a little bit above 67%, so above your guidance. So is there a segment where you do see some sequential pressure on gross margin? And then the other point I guess, George, I’ll ask you this on revenue. You said that we should look at the business on a sequential basis. If I adjust for the 40 million of extra revenue in the first quarter and then a bit of a currency tailwind in the second quarter, you’re looking at normalized sequential growth of maybe low-single digits versus normal seasonality in an October quarter of plus 5% So just some high level comments from you George on what’s driving the conservatism because that sequential is obviously off a July base that reflects the demand environment? Is there anything that you’re seeing in terms of order trends during the quarter that would get you to a little bit of below seasonal revenue outlook for October? Thank you.

Mike Berry

Management

Okay. It’s Mike. So I’ll take the first one before George does the second one. So two things you hit on. One is it relates to the margin. When you back out the 40 million from the extra week, that lowers the percentage of gross margin dollars coming from services. So that will naturally bring down the total gross margin. The other thing is, it’s not a huge mover but it’s a little mover. As we do more cloud at this point, that has a small pull down impact on the services gross margin because those margins while increasing every quarter nicely are still a little below the services average. So those are the mechanics to think about when you look at Q2 total gross margin.

Katy Huberty

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Great. That’s really helpful. And George?

George Kurian

Management

With regard to the revenue picture, I think we’re just communicating that we’re taking it a quarter at a time. It’s a volatile environment. We’ve had a good start to the year. And we’re not clear whether the traditional sequential seasonality patterns apply right now. So what I’ll tell you is, we’re not guiding a full year. We’re giving you the best outlook we see and we’re being cautious, right. That’s really the summary.

Katy Huberty

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Okay, that’s understandable. Thank you very much for that color.

Kris Newton

Management

All right. Thanks, Katy. Next question?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Next question comes from Matt Sheerin with Stifel. Your line is now open.

Matt Sheerin

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open.

Yes. Thank you, George, regarding the revenue guidance, I certainly appreciate that there’s not a lot of visibility but could you drill down a little bit more on the current demand picture by region and customer type, enterprise, commercial, public sector, any areas of strength or weakness jump out? Thank you.

George Kurian

Management

I’ll just give you a quick summary. From a segment perspective, clearly the larger enterprises where we have strong footprint was the sources of our growth. Small and medium customer is not a material part of our business. And you’ve heard the commentary from several players in the IT industry, which is similar to what we see. They are challenged. We are picking up some of those small and medium customers through our cloud business where our offerings are more tailored to cash-constrained smaller companies. With regard to the geographies, essentially we had strong performance in the Americas market, driven by the strength in the largest enterprises in the Americas and our APAC region also performed well. I think the APAC region is reflective of some of those economies starting to recover from the really hard times of COVID, but we are being cautious and it’s early. I think in terms of the types of transactions we saw, we did see growth in larger transactions. And what I said was, people are moving beyond business continuity to now transformational projects and investing in those. And so we benefitted from some of those.

Matt Sheerin

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open.

Thank you.

Kris Newton

Management

All right. Thanks, Matt. Next question?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Next question comes from Steven Fox with Fox Advisors. Your line is now open.

Steven Fox

Analyst · Fox Advisors. Your line is now open.

Thanks. Good afternoon. I just wanted to ask, maybe just push back a little bit on the decision still not to buy back stock. The company’s – you look at last quarter and your guidance, you’re doing basically an annualized $2.80 per share. You’re doing more than that in EBITDA and obviously have proven ability to generate healthy cash flows during a down period. So what would trigger management’s decision to maybe start buying back stock again? Thank you.

Mike Berry

Management

Hi, Steve. It’s Mike. So I will take that. So as we talked about on the last call when we decided to put the share buyback on hold, it was really we needed to be able to see a lot more firmly the economic recovery, the timeline as well as the depth. And while we’re starting to feel better about the year, there’s still a whole bunch of uncertainty. And as George talked about, there’s still a lot of economic uncertainty. So for us, we need to be more comfortable about the recovery, the timeline of the recovery and then as well making sure that we are prudently managing our cash from a domestic and international perspective. All of that would weigh into it. This is the reason why we went out and did the opportunistic debt raise is to make sure that we had cash going forward. Also as we discussed in the last call, we also want to make sure that we are looking very hard at share buyback versus growing the business through again disciplined M&A and that will also play into it as well, Steven. And then I guess wanted to note very firmly we are very committed to the dividend and we want to make sure to maintain that, and that’s another reason why we pulled back on the share buybacks.

Steven Fox

Analyst · Fox Advisors. Your line is now open.

Great. I appreciate that perspective. Thank you.

Kris Newton

Management

All right. Thanks, Steven. Next question?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Next question comes from Jeriel Ong with Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

Jeriel Ong

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

Thanks for letting me ask questions and congrats on the solid results. I want to focus in on the worldwide headcount reduction of 5% which you guys just verified. In the press report that came out yesterday kind of indicated that SolidFire and HCI might be a portion of those cuts, a little bit more I guess I would say exacerbated relative to the rest of your business. Could you clarify whether that is in fact true? Is that something that was focused on? And beyond that I guess as a percentage of focusing on those cuts in general or were there certain businesses or certain portions of the employee base that were impacted more? Thanks.

George Kurian

Management

These headcount reductions are never easy to make and we take care and consideration when we decide to make those changes. Those changes were driven by the strategic alignment and focus that we have to prioritize our resources in the core storage systems and software business as well as accelerating our public cloud services business. We realigned about 5.5% of our workforce and those were in parts of the business – in all the functions of the business, but in those parts of the business that were not particularly aligned to our go-forward priorities. SolidFire, yes, I can confirm was part of the team impacted. We are narrowing our focus with the SolidFire and HCI portfolio to the high margin parts of the market as we have signaled on prior calls.

Jeriel Ong

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

Got it. I appreciate it. Thanks.

Kris Newton

Management

Thank you. Next question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Next question comes from Wamsi Mohan with Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Wamsi Mohan

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Yes. Thank you. I want to go back to cloud data services and look at this on an organic ARR basis. The quarter-on-quarter increase on that basis was $23 million sequentially annualized and in the prior quarter was $29 million. Given the fact that you’ve got more GA status and it’s more mature, why is that option rate not accelerating more to organic basis given the exposure to more cloud providers and maybe you can give us some sense of how the trajectory might change as we look forward here?

George Kurian

Management

We made some cost improvement in our cloud services portfolio in the storage platform that allowed our customers to adopt cheaper and more cost effective tiers. This is similar to what hyperscalers do periodically. And so that did affect some of our customers on our existing cloud business choosing to deploy onto a lower cost tier. So it wasn’t like we didn’t add more customers and add more revenue. We did move some of our capacity within the quarter to a lower cost tier. That is pretty much the majority of the gap that you’re seeing on a sequential basis.

Kris Newton

Management

All right. Thanks, Wamsi. Next question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Next question comes from George Iwanyc with Oppenheimer. Your line is now open.

George Iwanyc

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is now open.

Thank you for taking my question. Circling back to Mike’s comments on disciplined use of cash with M&A, George, can you maybe give us a sense of what areas from a technology roadmap you would look at from an M&A perspective?

George Kurian

Management

I think that we are a disciplined acquirer both for strategic, cultural and economic fit. We’ve been clear that we have a broad range of interest but software and cloud centric would be the two key filters that we would look at in terms of transactions. As we’ve also said, we are skeptical about doing big large transactions. I think those are far and few between. And so the majority of our investigations are more smaller transactions that you would see.

George Iwanyc

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is now open.

Thank you.

Kris Newton

Management

Thanks, George. Next question?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Next question comes from Louis Miscioscia with Daiwa. Your line is now open.

Louis Miscioscia

Analyst · Daiwa. Your line is now open.

Okay. Thank you. George, if you go back to one of your comments earlier is that small, medium business is not a material portion of your business, but looking at that you have some momentum and you’re looking to gain share, you obviously must have recently done an evaluation as to why or why not to expand more aggressively into that sector which at times obviously has good rates. So can you give us an idea as you’re thinking as to why that’s not a good opportunity for you at all?

George Kurian

Management

It’s all a matter of prioritization. We run a disciplined P&L and within that P&L we have opportunities to deploy resources. We are covering the biggest enterprises through our direct portfolio and our direct sales reps. The small, medium business we see an opportunity to address through the cloud in a very differentiated and economically scalable manner. And so you’ll see us continuing to focus there. So it’s a matter of prioritization of where we spend our resources and being disciplined about it.

Louis Miscioscia

Analyst · Daiwa. Your line is now open.

Okay. Thank you.

Kris Newton

Management

Thank you, Lou. Next question?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Next question comes from Shannon Cross with Cross Research. Your line is now open.

Shannon Cross

Analyst · Cross Research. Your line is now open.

Thank you very much. George, I’m just curious. As you think about where NetApp is going to focus in both for the company as well as what you’re seeing from your customers, what do you think is going to happen to offices going forward? What’s your expectation for how many people go back? How do you sort of view how this new world we’re going to live in post pandemic will be? I’m just kind of curious as to what you’re hearing, what you’re thinking? Thank you.

George Kurian

Management

Thank you for your question. We meet customers across the board. As I said, the number of executive briefings and senior executive interactions that I’ve had over the last six months have been higher than at any time before because I can be on – in a single day in multiple time zones across the globe. What we see predominately is that the world at large is operating in a subdued mostly working from home model, especially in the IT buyers and the knowledge workers in our customer base. We think that that will continue. In fact, NetApp has already signaled to our employees a few weeks ago that we are going to be working from home till July of next calendar year. And so we do see this idea of our customers digitizing their businesses for both internal collaboration as well as customer interaction becoming a priority, we see the deployment of cloud together with on-premises as a needed catalogue of IT services and we have been saying that that would happen for a long period of time, and we’re going to take advantage of it.

Shannon Cross

Analyst · Cross Research. Your line is now open.

Great. Thank you.

Kris Newton

Management

Thanks, Shannon. Next question?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Jim Suva with Citigroup. Your line is now open.

Jim Suva

Analyst · Citigroup. Your line is now open.

Thank you. And I don’t know if this one question, the single question I have is best for Mike or George, but I heard earlier on the Q&A commentary of encouraging us to look at EPS on a quarter-over-quarter basis instead of year-over-year basis, and I’m just kind of trying to figure out why? Is that all due to COVID? Or you’re getting close to year-over-year revenues being flat or positive excluding this quarter with extra week, but on the outlook, but yet the year-over-year EPS next quarter is down pretty sizably. Maybe that’s NAND pricing, maybe that’s cost structure integration. Can you just kind of walk us through the logic about why you want us to focus on quarter-over-quarter instead of year-over-year for profitability?

Mike Berry

Management

Sure. Jim, thanks for the question. It’s Mike. A couple of pieces there. In the prepared remarks, we wanted to make sure that when you compared the Q1 EPS number with the Q2 guide that you took into account the impact of the additional OpEx from the acquisitions as well as the 14th week, there was just a good number of moving parts there. So that’s why we did focus on that in the commentary. And then yes, certainly from a year-over-year perspective as it relates to OpEx has obviously a lot to do with the revenue guide and where we are as well as us wanting to make sure that we continue to invest in the growth areas. So I didn’t want to be confusing on that. Just wanted to make sure as you looked at Q1 to Q2 that you also took into account some of those large muscle movers.

George Kurian

Management

One of the other items that we had in the EPS for Q2 on a year-on-year basis was the interest expense related to the debt rate. So Mike and I are giving you sort of the big moving parts. I think as we said, that’s a way for you to understand the compare between Q1 and Q2 EPS.

Jim Suva

Analyst · Citigroup. Your line is now open.

Thank you. That’s greatly appreciated, gentlemen.

Kris Newton

Management

All right. Thank you, Jim. Next question?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Next question comes from Ananda Baruah with Loop Capital. Your line is now open.

Ananda Baruah

Analyst · Loop Capital. Your line is now open.

Hi. Good afternoon, guys. Congrats on a solid quarter and good execution. Just real quickly George and Mike, I’d love to just get any context around sort of the activities coming together of the cloud data services sales team, what they’re focused on and how long you think it will be until those guys get productive? Thanks.

George Kurian

Management

The cloud data services sales team is a group of experts that we’ve hired with cloud backgrounds. They are focused on working closely with the hyperscalers, meaning Microsoft, Amazon and Google and selling us alongside their team as well as working with the NetApp sales team to get our installed base of customers who adopt our cloud portfolio. We’re pleased. We’re one quarter into the organization, but they’ve clearly had an impact and we’re looking forward to continuous success from them.

Kris Newton

Management

All right. Thanks, Ananda. Next question?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Next question comes from Simon Leopold with Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Victor Chiu

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Hi. This is Victor Chiu in for Simon Leopold. Could you provide us with an update around your Keystone as a service offering and the progress you’re seeing there, and maybe help us understand if there’s a relationship between public cloud services demand and the potential impact there on consumption-based subscription services, whether there’s a complementary relationship there or if that one impacts the other in a particular way?

George Kurian

Management

We’ve had a good start to Keystone. Keystone is selectively available to customers in some of our geographies. We will be making it more broadly available this coming quarter. And so we’ll invite you to come to our INSIGHT User Conference to hear more. We’ve had several comparative wins this quarter with Keystone and Keystone as you said correctly is a good complement to our public cloud services. So a customer that has a temporary workload or wants to move an entire business process to the public cloud can choose the public cloud. And if there’s a portion of that business process or there’s a complementary infrastructure that they want to have deployed and run within their data center for compliance reasons or for integration to other applications, they can use Keystone and get a single experience from their data center to the public cloud. So we’re pleased with the progress. You’ll hear more about Keystone from us at our User Conference.

Kris Newton

Management

All right. Thanks, Victor. Next question?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Next question comes from Eric Martinuzzi with Lake Street. Your line is now open.

Eric Martinuzzi

Analyst · Lake Street. Your line is now open.

Yes. I wanted to go a layer deeper on the COVID-related pricing trends and how they’re manifesting themselves. Is it about competitive displacements? Is it about defending the installed base? Is there a particular vertical? Just some help there please.

George Kurian

Management

Typically what happens when commodity prices go up is that we and others in the industry pass them along to customers because we typically do not hedge the commodity. We pass along the cost of SSDs through to customers when they go up or when they go down. Clearly in the COVID time that is not something we want to do. Our customers need us to be good partners and so we’ve been careful about having them bear the brunt of the price increases. With regard to competitive take up and displacements, they are always a portion of our go-to-market model and we have the capabilities within our gross margin model to be aggressive in certain cases and not as aggressive in others, and we’re going to continue to focus on maintaining discipline there.

Eric Martinuzzi

Analyst · Lake Street. Your line is now open.

Thank you.

Kris Newton

Management

Thanks, Eric. Next question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Next question comes from Nehal Chokshi with Northland Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Nehal Chokshi

Analyst · Northland Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Yes. Congrats on some exceptionally strong results, quite amazing. A technical question from me. So Spot provides compute management in the cloud. Is this leveraging Kubernetes or is that by adding in additional software that Spot has layered on top of Kubernetes and does this effectively make it a competitor to say VMware’s vRealize and their bevy of cloud relationships?

George Kurian

Management

What Spot does is both for traditional applications as well as for cloud-native applications, it identifies the pattern of behavior of that application and finds the optimized compute environment to run that application most cost effectively. So it is entirely complementary and we are very good partners, for example, with Amazon where we tell customers use the right compute tier in Amazon so that they can run more compute for the same money on the Amazon tier. We see Spot as complementary to all of our cloud providers and frankly cloud complementary to VMware. It is optimizing the run time environment for customers regardless of what version of Kubernetes they use, which class provider they run on and whether they’re using a traditional application or a cloud-native application. What is also allows us to do is now because we can optimize compute and storage, we are able to address 70% of a typical customer’s cloud bill and optimize a substantial amount of that cloud bill. So now we are much more strategically relevant to customers as a result of us having Spot in our portfolio.

Kris Newton

Management

All right. Thanks, Nehal. Next question?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our final question comes from Nik Todorov with Longbow Research. Your line is now open.

Nikolay Todorov

Analyst

Yes. Thanks. I want to go back to the comments around strength in large enterprise and large deals. I think that has been consistent across the peers in the industry, but I just want to get your take on – you talked about the digital transformation. So are we assuming that those spending is going towards new workloads? And how sustainable do you think is that strength in large enterprise deals? Thanks.

George Kurian

Management

I think we see larger enterprises increasingly doing two things. One is exploiting data to understand and serve their customers better. That’s an enduring generational trend. We also see them deploying hybrid cloud landscape so that they can serve their own employees who are working from home or extend the reach of their businesses to consumers who no longer can come into their offices. And we are extremely well positioned for both those trends. I think what we see in the large enterprise is they have the financial resources and the strategic runway to make those decisions and in fact now rather than have to necessarily wait for COVID, and that’s where we saw the segment-related pattern of our business morph a little bit.

Kris Newton

Management

All right. Thanks, Nik. I’ll pass it over to George for some final comments.

George Kurian

Management

Thank you for being with us this afternoon. In the face of the current macro uncertainty, we continue to make strategic moves that position us well for the long term while maintaining operational discipline. Our rich data-centric software innovation is the foundation from which we have customers thrive in a hybrid cloud world. We bring enterprise-grade data services to the cloud and the simplicity and flexibility at the cloud to the enterprise data center. No matter where a customer is on their hybrid cloud journey, NetApp can help them achieve their goals. I hope you will join us at our Virtual Analyst Day where we’ll talk more about how we help customers unlock the best of cloud for their digital transformation. Stay safe and be well. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.