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Nuvve Holding Corp. (NVVE)

Q4 2021 Earnings Call· Thu, Mar 31, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Greetings. Welcome to Nuvve Holdings Corp. Fourth Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to Eduardo Royes, Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.

Eduardo Royes

Analyst

Thank you. On today's call are Gregory Poilasne, Chief Executive Officer and David Robson, Chief Financial Officer of Nuvve. Earlier today Nuvve issued a press release announcing its fourth quarter and full year 2021 results. Following prepared remarks, we will open up the call for questions. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that this call may contain forward-looking statements. While these forward-looking statements reflect Nuvve's best current judgment, they are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those implied by these forward-looking projections. These risk factors are discussed in Nuvve’s filings with the SEC. And in the earnings release issued today, which are available on our website. Nuvve undertakes no obligation to revise or update any forward-looking statements to reflect future events or circumstances. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Gregory Poilasne, Chief Executive Officer of Nuvve. Gregory?

Gregory Poilasne

Analyst

Thanks, Eduardo and good day to all. Thanks for joining us today to discuss our results for the fourth quarter and full year 2021. The need for vehicle electrification and the benefits and facilities of vehicle-to-grid technology are coming more into view with each passing day and imposed to grow mainstream. Recently, many of you have likely heard the buzz around Ford and GM support for bidirectional charging and pilot programs with utility companies that will demonstrate the ability for vehicles to interact with the electric grid, the bigger toy and to get it. As they prepare to launch an electric version of their flagship models, they want to be sure they are enabling those vehicles to capture and deliver the full value they are capable of as the world electrifies, and this includes vehicle-to-home. We see this development as a huge endorsement for Nuvve raising newness about the ability for EVs to send power back to the home and the grid. However, a vehicle capable of bidirectional charging does not on its own address the current challenges faced by the grid today for increased EV adoption. And vehicle to home, which allows an EV to power home in the event of blackout and vehicle-to-grid are two different offerings. Bidirectional EVs are part of the solution, but it cannot solve the challenges posed to the grid on their own, nor do they improve EV economics, and this is where Nuvve comes into play. Through Nuvve’s grid integrated vehicle, our deep platform, we are able to aggregate and provide power from EV at scale back into the grid by creating what we call virtual power plants or VPP, thereby, integrating electric vehicles into the grid in the most efficient way possible. In doing so, we are able to generate revenue for…

David Robson

Analyst

Thanks, Gregory. I'll start with a recap of the fourth quarter 2021 results. In the fourth quarter, we generated total revenues of $1.2 million compared to $1.5 million in the fourth quarter of 2020. This reflects a year-over-year decrease of 15%, primarily due to the completion of grant projects, which are no longer a core focus for Nuvve. In the fourth quarter, product and service revenues increased 11% compared with the fourth quarter of last year, while grant revenues declined by 79% over the same period. Product and service revenues in the fourth quarter of 2021 represented 93% of total revenues compared with 71% for the fourth quarter of 2020. We expect product and service revenues will continue to become a larger mix of our business, and grant revenues will be a smaller mix. Margins on product and service revenues was 2.8% for the fourth quarter 2021 compared to 56.3% for the fourth quarter last year. DC charger gross margins generally range from 20% to 25%, AC charger gross margins are approximately 50%, and engineering service gross margins are 100%. The decline on a year-over-year basis not only reflects a mix shift, but also our decision to engage in the sale of DC chargers at a discount in return for the contractual rights for a larger share of future grid service revenues with a particular customer. Total operating expenses, excluding cost of sales, was $8.5 million for the fourth quarter of 2021 compared to $3.3 million in the fourth quarter of 2020. The increase was primarily attributable to increased cost of sales associated with being a public company, an increase in payroll costs from increased staffing and the costs associated with Levo, which we established this year. Total operating expenses, excluding cost of sales were relatively flat compared with the…

Gregory Poilasne

Analyst

Thanks, David. 2021 was a transformational year for Nuvve, in which we helped lay the foundation for us to continue to evolve and scale up our V2G technology as awareness of and receptivity to our value proposition increases. The creation of our Levo JV, our V2G hub models and some key commercial wins to go with the supported and near tripling of our megawatts under management. 2022 is off to a strong start, as we continue to find new ways to strengthen and broaden our offering and has already included a key commercial win with Levo. We see opportunities to continue to expand our offering with existing customers and the school bus market, while also expanding beyond given an ample variety of use cases that we believe makes sense for our V2G application. We expect to have some exciting news on these fronts in the coming months and look forward to speaking with you again in May in our -- during our first quarter 2020 earnings call. I would like to now turn the call over to the operator to begin the Q&A session. Operator?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Eric Stine with Craig Hallum Capital Group. Please proceed.

Eric Stine

Analyst

Hi, Gregory. Hi, David.

Gregory Poilasne

Analyst

Hi, Eric.

Eric Stine

Analyst

Hey, so maybe just starting with the pipeline, just to confirm. I mean, is it fair to say that, that $225 million that, that is hardware only. And then, secondly, I know that you're not expecting to have a 100% hit rate there. And just, maybe some thoughts on how you think the timing might be of the progress you make within that pipeline?

David Robson

Analyst

Hey, Eric, this is David. It is a combination of hardware and service revenues that we can -- believe we can contract. But it's hard to predict on the timing. These are ones that we've been working on for the better part of six months on some of them, some shorter. They're large agreements, many of them. So the timing of when they're closed, when they're going to close is hard to forecast at this point.

Gregory Poilasne

Analyst

Yes. And the revenue recognition associated with it is also going to be complex, right? Some of it might be purchased by the customer. Some of it might be including, for example, depot financing, which going to change their revenue recognition associated with those.

Eric Stine

Analyst

Got it. Okay. Maybe just ask this another way and kind of tie it into what you're seeing on the funding side in terms of the infrastructure funding, just maybe your most recent thoughts on timing the form that may take here going forward over the next couple of months and quarters? And then just curious, I mean, are these -- some of the large projects you're talking about within the back -- within the pipeline, is the vast majority of that tied to incentive availability and that being released, or how should we think about that?

Gregory Poilasne

Analyst

No, it's not. I mean, some of it is, but most of it is actually independent and some of it is actually outside the US as well. So, I mean, you remember, we have a footprint in Europe, in the US, and Japan, and so we still see traction across all those decline in revenue.

David Robson

Analyst

Yes. And to add to that, we're certainly seeing the funding helpful and we provide those services for our customers to help them get funding. But as Gregory said, with respect to this qualified pipeline, it's a small portion of the total.

Eric Stine

Analyst

Got it. Okay. Well, maybe -- I guess last one for me, just tied to livo, I mean, where do you feel like you're at in terms of educating school districts that there are solutions out there that enable this transition to electric school buses. I mean is this a foreign concept to most school districts and you need to really work with them in detail, or is this something that's fairly well understood and this is just a case of sometimes school districts can be slow moving as they roll out a new technology across their fleets?

Gregory Poilasne

Analyst

I think this is a great question. I think it depends geographically where this is happening. But we actually see quite a few dealers that are coming to us and say, hey, we're ready to buy V2G -- those buses and so clearly, we've we said here, the indication around V2G and how this is a critical step integrating the vehicle. It's also an important step in helping reducing the core cost of ownership of those vehicles. And so we really see the traction as training all across the chain. Now, as I said, it depends on which geographies I mean California, based on the -- a lot of push on that. The Northeast integrator [ph] but all the way, I would say on the East Coast, and this is viewed [ph] by the dealers that receiving that from the school district or the dealers that understand how this is important for them to differentiate their products in the marketplace as well.

Eric Stine

Analyst

Got it. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Brian Dobson with Chardan Capital Markets. Please proceed.

Brian Dobson

Analyst

Hi, good evening. So, just a follow-up question on your backlog and your pipeline. I guess, first, could you remind us where those numbers stood at the end of the last quarter? And second, did you see similar trends progress through the first quarter in terms of activity in your backlog and your pipeline?

David Robson

Analyst

Hey Brian, this is David. The backlog was relatively the same at the end of last quarter as it was this quarter, but one thing I would tell is there was a pretty sizable mix--.

Operator

Operator

Brian, do you have any further questions?

Brian Dobson

Analyst

I'm sorry. I think I lost you there for a second. So you were saying that the backlog was pretty flat from the last quarter? Hello? Hello?

Operator

Operator

Okay. Maybe one moment. The line was showing connected. Let me just see what is wrong. Hold on one moment.

David Robson

Analyst

Brain, can you hear me all right?

Operator

Operator

Okay, you're back in the conference.

David Robson

Analyst

Brain? Brian, can you hear us all right?

Gregory Poilasne

Analyst

Brian, can you hear us?

Brian Dobson

Analyst

Yes, I can. Can you hear me?

David Robson

Analyst

Yes. Sorry about that technical difficulty. With the second question, you're right. The backlog was relatively unchanged from Q3 to Q4. But what I would point out is we had a lot of grant projects within our backlog that we've rolled off, because we're no longer focused on that. There's a pretty significant mix shift between hardware and charger sales that are comprised in our backlog as opposed to grant revenues in the past.

Brian Dobson

Analyst

Oh, excellent. And I guess the same question for you…

David Robson

Analyst

So Brian, could you repeat that question one more time?

Brian Dobson

Analyst

Sure. So where did your pipeline stand at the end of the last quarter? And have you seen similar activity in your pipeline and your backlog, call it, through the first quarter of the year as well?

David Robson

Analyst

Yes. We've seen an acceleration in our qualified pipeline in 2022 as opposed to 2021. And what we're also seeing is the size of the pipeline for the customer size is larger than it had been in the past, which is why we wanted to come out this time to start to talk about qualified pipeline to give everyone a view of the size and scope of what we're seeing, which was the $225 million number that we put out.

Gregory Poilasne

Analyst

And one thing I want to add is fact is when we go into the backlog, that means we have vehicles that are being deployed, where there is a contract for those vehicles, but also where we have somewhat of a contract to a local utility, right? It's something that just has an end customer contract, but yes, material contract or the utility might not yet qualify for the backlog and -- but that would then go into the qualified pipeline, which is not just the whole pipeline that we have, which is, again, those contracts that are partly in place, either through an MOU or that we're negotiating a final agreement or that maybe we have one side of the agreement, but we don't have the other side of the agreement.

Brian Dobson

Analyst

Great. And then just finally for me, you saw a pretty substantial lift in megawatts under management during the fourth quarter. Did you see similar trends progressing through the first quarter of the year as well?

Gregory Poilasne

Analyst

I mean, what I can say is that those tend to be very step functions, right? I mean if you look at our historic calls, you can see that they are step then it goes to a store pace of potentially and then you have bigger steps. It really depends on the size of the implementation. The megawatts under management, those are really charging stations that have been commissioned and that mean now are operational. And sometimes, again, these are coming through step process. And so they tend to go at different space at speed when you look at it from a quarter-by-quarter basis. I think what's very important to note here is the fact that we tripled our capacity in 2021, and we think these are good metrics there.

David Robson

Analyst

Brian, one thing we did point out, which was with respect to more backlog that we have that hasn't been deployed, there's another step-up that you can see that we disclosed in the script of around 2.3 megawatts, when we deploy that backlog that we have today.

Brian Dobson

Analyst

Wonderful. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for closing comments.

Gregory Poilasne

Analyst

Thank you. Thank you for listening to us today. We're, again, very, very excited about the opportunity that we are facing, and we are looking forward to sharing more with you, as we get ready for our next earning call in about month and a half in May. So thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time and thank you for your participation.