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Q1 2016 Earnings Call· Tue, Feb 9, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Fifth Street Finance Corporation Q2 2016 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today’s conference, Ms. Robyn Friedman. Ma’am, you may begin.

Robyn Friedman

Analyst

Thank you, Lauren. Good morning and welcome to Fifth Street Finance Corp’s first quarter 2016 earnings call. I’m joined this morning by Todd Owens, Chief Executive Officer, Ivelin Dimitrov, President and Chief Investment Officer; and Steven Noreika, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to note that this call is being recorded. Replay information is included in our February 9, 2016 press release and is posted on the Investor Relations section of Fifth Street Finance Corp’s website, which can be found at fsc.fifthstreetfinance.com. Please note that this call is the property of Fifth Street Finance Corp. Any unauthorized rebroadcast of this call in any form is strictly prohibited. Today’s conference call may include forward-looking statements and projections that reflect the company’s current views with respect to, among other things, future events, and financial performance. Forward-looking statements may include statements as to the future operating results, dividends and business prospects of Fifth Street Finance Corp. Words such as believes, expects, seeks, plans, should, will, estimates, projects, anticipates, intend and future or similar expressions are intended to identify forward-looking statements, although not all forward-looking statements include these words. These forward-looking statements are subject to the inherent risks and uncertainties predicting future results and conditions. Certain factors could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected or implied in these forward-looking statements. New risks and uncertainties arise over time and it is not possible for the company to predict those events or how they may affect it. Therefore, you should not place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements. We ask that you refer to our most recent filings with the SEC for important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements and projections. To obtain copies of our latest SEC filings, please visit our website or call Investor Relations at 203-681-3720. FSC undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise except as required by law. The format for today’s call is as follows: Todd will provide an overview of our results and outlook, and Steve will summarize the financials. Then we will open the line for Q&A. I will now turn the call over to our CEO, Todd Owens.

Todd Owens

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is open

Thank you, Robyn. For the quarter ended December 31, 2015, FSC generated $0.18 of net investment income per share, covering our dividend for the fourth consecutive quarter, despite an increase in professional expenses. During the quarter, we continue to operate within our target leverage range of 0.6 to 0.8 times debt to equity. And subsequent to the end of the quarter, we announced a reduction in FSC’s base management fee. As discussed on our previous earnings call, the FSC Board and the leadership team welcome an open dialogue with our shareholders and are committed to improving returns for all FSC’s shareholders. To that end over the past couple of months, we have spoken with many of our largest shareholders, including RiverNorth to understand their thoughts on our business and recommendations for this year as we often. As a result of these discussions and an extensive review by our external manager, I’m pleased to report that on January 19, FSC’s investment advisor with the approval of the FSC Board of Directors agreed to amend the investment management agreement to permanently reduce the base management fee. Beginning January 1, 2016, the base management fee on total gross assets, excluding cash and cash equivalents has been reduced from 2% to 1.75%. The 25 basis points fee cap is permanent and pertains to all fee earning assets without thresholds. We will continue to charge no fees on cash and cash equivalents and maintain an 8% hurdle among the highest in the industry. The reduction in FSC’s base management fee places our fee structure to approximately the median for the industry, and we’ll increase FSC’s return on equity. We review the base management fee reduction as a positive step toward unlocking shareholder value. Overall in 2015, the middle market experienced its weakest year for sponsored…

Steven Noreika

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Thank you, Todd. We ended the first quarter of 2016 with total assets of $2.5 billion, down slightly from $2.6 billion at 2015 fiscal year-end. Portfolio investments totaled $2.3 billion at fair value, which was spread across 131 companies at December 31, 2015. At the end of the December quarter, we had $95.2 million of cash and cash equivalents on our balance sheet. Net asset value per share was $8.41 as of December 31, as compared to the net asset value per share of $9 at the end of the September quarter. For the three months ended December 31, 2015, we generated total investment income of $65.1 million, an increase of $1.4 million, as compared to the prior quarter. The quality of our income continued to be high as net PIK, which is PIK accruals recorded in excess of PIK payments received represented only 4.2% of total investment income. Net investment income was $26.6 million for the quarter ended December 31. During the quarter ended December 31, we closed $338.3 million of investments in six new and five existing portfolio companies. And we received $226.2 million in connection with the full repayments of seven of our debt investments, all of which were exited at or above par, including $119 million of principal plus additional fees from First Choice ER, which was our largest non-control investment. Furthermore, we received an additional $96.5 million in connection with syndications and sales of debt investments. The credit profile of the investment portfolio continues to be solid as 94% of the portfolio at fair value was ranked in the highest one and two categories. We believe we are conservatively positioned relative to our peers with 94% of the portfolio at fair value consisting of debt investments, 80.5% of the portfolio invested in senior secured loans,…

Robyn Friedman

Analyst

Thank you for joining us on today’s call. With that, Lauren, please open the line for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Terry Ma from Barclays. Your line is open.

Terry Ma

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is open

Hey, guys. And I think most shareholders appreciate the lowered base fee. But can you may be just give us some color on whether or not you guys have contemplated maybe reducing the incentive fee and/or adding its total return hurdles off?

Todd Owens

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is open

Hi, Terry, it’s Todd. Thanks for the question. Look, as we said in the script, we feel good about the fee structure by lowering it to 175, it really puts us at the median for the industry as a whole. We think that that is an important step and puts us in the right place in terms of overall fee structure. We also, for better or worse had a quarter where the 8% hurdle came into play in a big way for our shareholders, and that’s among the highest in the industry. And so we feel good about the fee structure today. Having said that, we and FSC’s Board of Directors regularly reviewed the fee structure, at least, annually and often times more frequently than that. And we’ll consider changes in the future as and when those makes sense.

Terry Ma

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is open

Got it. And just given that you guys have a $100 million buyback raise. I’m actually surprised you guys weren’t a little bit more aggressive buying back shares in the December quarter. So maybe can you guys just talk about your appetite for buybacks going forward?

Todd Owens

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is open

Yes, I’d say a few things, and that’s a good question, I’d say a few things. Number one, we bought $20 million with the stock back in the September quarter. And as we have announced both today and a couple of weeks ago when we pre-released our results, we intend to buy back stock in this quarter and the March quarter. We do not buy back shares in the December quarter for a variety of reasons. The December quarter is an important quarter for us. It is historically and this most recent quarter are typically the highest originations volumes, number one. And number two, there were substantial volatility in the market and we were very focused on maintaining appropriate leverage levels, as well as supporting our sponsor clients and what is traditionally the busiest time of the year. And for the – for those reasons principally, we did not buy back stock in the December quarter.

Terry Ma

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is open

Got it. That’s helpful. And just on the professional fees, can you maybe just give us some color on where you expect that the trend going forward?

Todd Owens

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is open

Yes, Terry, I wish I knew. I – it’s going to be very hard for us to predict where the professional fees are going to go, because we just can’t. As we sit here today in March anticipate the direction that the litigation or the shareholder discussions we are having is going to go. So it’s very difficult for us to predict what the professional fees will be this quarter or in the future.

Terry Ma

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is open

Okay, got it. Thank you.

Todd Owens

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is open

Thank you, Terry.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Doug Mewhirter from SunTrust. Your line is open.

Doug Mewhirter

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Hi, good morning. I had two questions. First, there it seems that, obviously, there’s the senior loan market has received quite a bit of volatility. And it sounds like the middle market is sort of starting to experience some of that, I guess, that would be favorable for new deals for you in terms of wider spreads. Are you seeing better risk-adjusted spreads on your new deals that are coming across your desk? And could you, I mean, would you expect that to possibly even move the needle on your overall portfolio going through the year?

Todd Owens

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Doug, thanks very much for the question. I think, Ivelin, probably is the right person to address that.

Ivelin Dimitrovup

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Hey, Doug, it’s Ivelin. It’s a good question. We see the same – probably the same trends we see every year with the March quarter, there’s less deals in the market. There is a flight to quality. You see bankers dust off old books that nobody looked at in the prior busier quarter and they’re trying to get those businesses and draw sponsors and draw some demand. But we do see wider spreads. We do see some quality properties coming to market, and we’re able to get better structures. We’re able to get tighter covenants and more appropriate leverage level and higher pricing. So it remains to be seen whether it’s a phenomenon that’s going to continue the rest of the year. So far this year is shaping up to be much better from that perspective than 2015, so we’re optimistic, but we’ll see how the business goes.

Doug Mewhirter

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

All right. Thanks for that. My second question, either, I guess, Steven or Ivelin, if you would aggregate your portfolio into one big company, what was the aggregate year-over-year revenue and/or EBITDA growth of that aggregate portfolio this quarter?

Steven Noreika

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

For the December quarter, I think, if you look at the portfolio and not all the companies have reported yet, so we don’t have all the stats. But I think not only we can give you guidance that we’re seeing companies comp up year-over-year by single-digits. They’re missing their budget expectations, and I’m hesitant to make general statements by this, because it clearly depends industry during this week. We’re seeing some softness in certain aspects of the healthcare side. We’re seeing robust growth in some of the more technology recurring revenue businesses. But in general, if you were to aggregate it, we’ll see probably single-digit growth year-over-year in the portfolio companies.

Doug Mewhirter

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Okay, thanks. That’s all my questions.

Todd Owens

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Thanks, Doug.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Ryan Lynch from KBW. Your line is open.

Ryan Lynch

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open

Hey, good morning, guys. Just a more of a philosophical question on how you guys kind of view share buybacks given the big discount in your stock today versus go into the market and supporting your existing portfolio and existing companies would deploy more capital on the – those existing companies versus deploying capital into the marketplace, as terms and pricing continues to trend more favorably?

Todd Owens

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open

Good morning, Ryan. Thanks for the question. Look, I think you’re hitting on it the way that we think about it is, it’s important to do both, and it’s important to achieve the balance between the buybacks given the stock price, but also supporting our core business and supporting our core relationships. And the risk of repeating myself a little bit in the December quarter, we thought it was important given everything that was going on in the market, given the market volatilities, given some of the uncertainties that we saw, as well as quarter where we traditionally see the most active originations and the most activity in the sponsor community. We concluded that it made sense not to buyback stock. But in September, we bought back – in September quarter, we bought back $20 million worth of stock. We do have a $100 million authorization from our Board of Directors, which was renewed at the end of last year, and we intend to be buying stock in this quarter under that authorization given the price levels.

Ryan Lynch

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open

Okay, great, great color. And then, you guys have actually done a pretty good job of backing off of energy investments, kind of, before the fall in energy prices. So do you guys have any appetite to maybe dip your toe back in the energy market considering the big pullback in destruction of that industry, or is that better served to just stay away from it as of now?

Todd Owens

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open

Yes, Ivelin, can probably address that.

Ivelin Dimitrov

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open

Hey, Ryan, thanks for your question. That’s actually something that a few people have brought up to us, and we do look at the wide investment spectrum, there’s different operating result there. However, in energy, of course, we don’t feel we have the necessary expertise to be able to actually ascertain when is the right time to – and what kind of business support. And second, just looking at the things we’re seeing in the limited exposure that we have, we feel there’s still a lot of reckoning that needs to happen in this space and there are still companies that are surviving based on lifeline by the lenders. And so there’s another shoe to drop so. From that perspective, we’re staying on the sidelines and we’ll see what happens down the road.

Ryan Lynch

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open

Okay, thanks for that. And then one last one on Ameritox. I want to get a clarification and then a question. Do I hear correctly that you guys are working right now on restructuring net investment? And if so, when do you guys believe, we’ll have some sort of solution and maybe restructuring and right size maybe that balance sheet and get that company back on accrual status?

Ivelin Dimitrov

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open

That’s a good question. It’s Ivelin again. We are in the process of having those negotiations. There is a number of moving parts. So I’m hesitant to give you a timeline, but we’re cautiously optimistic that, it will be still and basically all the players involved are incentivized to reach a resolution soon. We feel there’s a lot potential in front of this business going forward with the right capital structure and the right support in front of us. So we’re excited about the business, we’re excited to support it, and we’re excited to figure out the appropriate restructuring there.

Ryan Lynch

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open

Okay. Thank you for your time today.

Todd Owens

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open

Thanks, Ryan.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Chris York from [JPM] Securities. Your line is open.

Christopher York

Analyst

Good morning, guys, and thanks for taking the questions. So I’m curious to learn a little bit more about the thought process for the reduction in the base management fee. Was the result more, or I guess, was the result of the change from the Board more of a result to be in line with the median for externally managed BDC’s or more result of, say, maybe a Gartenberg analysis that would determine a lower value of the services provided by the investment manager?

Steven Noreika

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Chris, thanks for the question. Look, our Board of Directors reviews the contract annually, at least annually, and thinks about the contract in the interim periods. And we work closely with Board in thinking about the provisions or the terms I should say of the contract. And I think in the normal course of that process in recognition of some of the things that are happening more broadly in the industry, the Board of Directors, as I see in conjunction with the managers thought it made sense to reduce the management fee. And by reducing a 25 basis points, as we’ve said, it puts us right at the median for the industry as a whole and that felt like an appropriate place to be at this point in time.

Christopher York

Analyst

Okay. That’s it from me. Thanks.

Steven Noreika

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open

Thanks so much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jonathan Bock from Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open.

Jonathan Bock

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Good morning, and thank you for taking my questions. Perhaps first, a question as it relates to the professional fees. Todd, the $6.8 million or so, as it goes to various lawyers, et cetera, the fundamental question investors are going to ask and I think we posed it to you once is, explain why shareholders should pay this fee when the problem really rested in the external manager, right, that you are still paying fees to right? While that external manager also receives full indemnity from this [that you’re just] [ph] planning to ask for it, I understand that’s an industry-wide practice. But it seems odd that shareholders get to bear the expense while the external manager gets clear indemnity and we all get stuck and saddled with a hefty lawsuit that we’re defending and potential losses that could come as a result of it. Why do shareholders need to pay for that and not the external manager that has plenty of money to do so?

Todd Owens

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Good morning, John. Thanks for the question. Look, we – the litigation as well as the shareholder claim are brought by shareholders of FSC and focused on FSC. The costs that we incurred in the quarter were accounting, legal, and other professional costs associated with that as well as our year-end audit, and those are costs that are appropriately borne we think by FSC.

Jonathan Bock

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Okay. Fair enough, shareholders hit the bill. I guess, the next question that we would – that we’d also ask is, when you look at the management fee construct and certainly the 1.75% base is appropriate starting point that I think folks would like to look at and that it is, at least, downward. Please, Todd, your personal opinion matters, do you believe it’s appropriate to align the incentive fee with your shareholders in light of the fact that they just experienced an 8% decline in that?

Todd Owens

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Yes, look, I think, we’re – as I said now, I think a couple of times, both in the script and in response to earlier questions, we feel like being at the median towards the industry from a fee structure perspective is the right place for us to be. The situation, I think, it’s fair to say, it’s fluid. And we have taken a number of steps over the last year, I won’t list all of those at the end, but we’ve taken a number of steps over the course of the year and I see the reduction in the management fees from 2% to 1.75%, as is logical step in that progression. I think, as you think about high watermark, there are a number of firms that have high watermark. There are more that do not in the industry, including very few of the largest BDCs in the space. And we and importantly, I sent to the Board of Directors of FSC who are going to continue to monitor the market. And as it relates to this as well as other practices and make changes if and when we think that that’s appropriate. I would just point out that just to mention the records clear on this, our energy decline was 6.5% in the quarter.

Jonathan Bock

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Excuse me, sorry about that, we have 6.5%…

Todd Owens

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Yes, it’s not. I just want to make sure the record is clear on that.

Jonathan Bock

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Record is clear. And what percentage of which was related to fundamental credit performance versus technical write-downs?

Todd Owens

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Yes, I’ll ask Steve to just comment on that.

Steven Noreika

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Hey, John, it’s Steve. Yes, we noted in the earnings release about 40% of the markdown was due to market fluctuations and not credit related and it would be remaining 60% was, and as you can see on our schedule, investment is very concentrated in a few names.

Jonathan Bock

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Yes, particularly that’s a $100 million dollar loan. So understood that it sits in both BSLF as well as the balance sheet. I guess, another item that that we’re kind of grappling with is if you believe being close to the median range, Todd, is appropriate and you and the Board believe, the median range of fees is appropriate and that there are several other BDCs that do not have look backs. Would you put your overall performance on an NAV basis at that median level relative to those other BDC’s or not?

Todd Owens

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

John, look what I would say is, we’re honestly we’re disappointed in the NAV performance that we’ve seen. We are working to improve that and we’re cognizant that not only for FSC, but for the industry as a whole declining NAVs are a problem. And that’s an issue that we and I think others in the industry as well need to address. I don’t think our performance though is in anyway an outlier in that regard. And, therefore, since you tied it back to the fee structure, we think it’s appropriate for us to be right at the median for the industry.

Jonathan Bock

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Okay. And then just as we see the lawsuits, as we see the potential for activism, as we see kind of the proxy battles back and forth, one could argue that would it make sense to – for the external manager to court a white knight? And I’m curious, would you believe or do you believe strategic alternatives are appropriate for the external manager? And if that’s the case, is that an 8-K-able event if you guys believe it is?

Todd Owens

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Gosh, I’m not going to comment on strategic matters like that. We will stick with what we disclosed publicly in that regard, and I’m not going to comment on those kinds of rumors.

Jonathan Bock

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Okay. No rumors, just curious, because if folks look at underperformance, typically that’s the way one way out. So with that said, thank you for taking my questions.

Todd Owens

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Thanks, John.

Operator

Operator

At this time I’m showing no further questions. I would like to turn the call back over to management for closing remarks.

Todd Owens

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is open

Thanks, everybody, for joining us this morning, and we look forward to continuing our dialogue.