Armen Panossian
Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, thanks for the question, Ryan. So what I would say is we're looking at a variety of different opportunities, there are COVID impacted opportunities that we're looking at, there are life sciences opportunities, software, information technology. The opportunity set is quite large in terms of what we can look at. Our underwriting is very tight in terms of what we're willing to accept. And in those situations where we have invested in COVID sensitive situations or COVID sensitive names, we've been very focused on a couple things. One is as you mentioned, structure, downside protection through legal protections, as well as pricing. So in the case of Airbnb that was LIBOR plus 750, in the case of William Morris that was LIBOR plus 850, in the case of NuStar that was double digit coupon. And so we felt like we are getting compensated pretty well for taking the risk and by the way, in the case of William Morris and Airbnb, they came at several point, you know, discounts to par. However, I wouldn't say that there's a conscious effort into, you know, going into the teeth of the storm and what we're really focused on is investing in those businesses that have the levers that they could pull from a cash flow management perspective, to make it through to the other side of the, you know, the COVID storm and we need to feel comfortable that once we do make it to the other side that this business is going to be worth well in excess of the debt. So there's both a liquidity consideration, as well as a solvency consideration. And not all businesses check both of those boxes, as well as appropriate structuring and pricing. So we're saying no a whole lot more than we're saying yes. And we're seeing both private and syndicated opportunities in the market. And I would say on the syndicated side, generally speaking, the pricing is - have gotten tighter than we would like, and the terms less attractive than we would like. On the private side, we see a lot in the middle market. We're very, very cautious about that. Because a lot of the businesses that we see that need financing have an element of risk around them that could result in them not being worth their debt in a year or two from now. And so we're staying very cautious on our underwriting there. So, you know, I guess the net of it is, we're seeing a lot of deal flow because of our reach as a firm for sure and given the firm's DNA and opportunistic investments in distressed investing, the DNA of this particular teams, you know, or this team's background coming from our distress group. We're seeing a lot of opportunity there, but we're very focused on structure pricing and the underwriting both from a liquidity and solvency perspective.