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Q4 2018 Earnings Call· Fri, Mar 8, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Orion Engineered Carbons Fourth Quarter and Full-Year 2018 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Diana Downey, Vice President of Investor Relations for Orion Engineered Carbons. Thank you. You may begin.

Diana Downey

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Orion Engineered Carbons conference call to discuss fourth quarter and full-year 2018 financial results. I’m Diana Downey, Vice President, Investor Relations. With us today are Corning Painter, Chief Executive Officer, and Charles Herlinger, Chief Financial Officer. We issued our earnings press release after the market closed yesterday and have posted a slide presentation to the Investor Relations portion of our website. We will be referencing this presentation during this call. Before we begin, I’ll remind you that some of the comments made on today’s call, including our financial guidance, are forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to the risks and uncertainties as described in the company’s filings with the SEC. Actual results may differ materially from those described during the call. In addition, all forward-looking statements are made of as of today, March 7, 2019, and the company does not undertake to update any forward-looking statements based on new circumstances or revised expectations. Also, non-GAAP financial measures discussed during this call are reconciled to the most directly comparable IFRS measures in the table attached to our press release. I will now turn the call over to Corning Painter.

Corning Painter

Analyst · Barclays. Please proceed with your question

Thank you, Diana. Good morning, everyone. And thank you for joining us for our fourth quarter and full-year earnings conference call. We appreciate your time. I'd like to start today's call by providing the highlights from the fourth quarter and full year of 2018. Then, I will provide an update on what we're seeing in the market and update on our capital deployment and I'll share some insights for my first six months as the CEO of Orion. Our CFO, Charles Herlinger, will then provide detail on our financial results and discuss guidance for 2019. After that, I'll come back and share some closing comments. Then we will be happy to take your questions. Turning to slide four, we delivered solid results for the fourth quarter and delivered another record EBITDA for the full-year 2018. In the Specialty segment, with the strength of our product portfolio and execution of our marketing programs, we delivered significant year-on-year growth in the first half of 2018 before trading conditions began to soften, particularly in the automotive segment. In the Rubber segment, we went from strength to strength as we enjoyed last year's pricing gains and good execution. In 2018, we also positioned ourselves for the future by consolidating our Korean facilities to one site, adding acetylene carbon black to our portfolio, and successfully negotiating rubber price increases for 2019. I would like to thank the Orion team for their hard work and dedication to achieve these outstanding results. Please turn to slide 5. I believe capital allocation is a key responsibility of a CEO. I will not read the whole slide, but the point is, is that after paying our dividend and addressing a few must-do categories, we strike a balance amongst growth, M&A and opportunistic buybacks. In 2019, we will accelerate our…

Charles Herlinger

Analyst · Barclays. Please proceed with your question

Thanks, Corning. Good morning, everyone. By way of reminder, the fourth quarter and full-year results with comparatives we're presenting today are prepared on the basis of US GAAP, consistent with the timetable we previously outlined to convert our financial statements from IFRS and euros to US GAAP and US dollars during 2018. As expected, the impact on our operating results of the conversion to US GAAP from IFRS is immaterial. You will, however, find for the sake of completeness a detailed analysis of these impacts in our annual filing on our website. By way of reminder, with US dollar and US GAAP conversion now behind us, we continue to be on track to be admitted to the Russell indices latest by Q2 of 2020. As previously discussed, we currently have effectively no passive investor ownership of our stock rather than the industry norm of roughly 25% to 35% of such ownership. With admission to the Russell indices, we expect to address this ownership imbalance. Starting on slide 10 and our consolidated fourth-quarter results, overall volumes decreased by 6.1% or 16,700 metric tons from the prior year's quarter to 256,200 tons, largely reflecting the impact of the plant consolidation in Korea and the softening of demand in China. On a like-for-like basis, that is excluding the impact of the Korean plant closure, rubber volumes were essentially flat, largely reflecting the high capacity utilization within our system. Revenues increased by 13.6% to $386 million in the quarter, primarily due to the pass-through of higher feedstock costs as well as base price increases and favorable product mix, offset somewhat by foreign exchange translation effects and, to a lesser extent, volumes resulting from the Korean plant consolidation. While our total contribution margin decreased reflecting the impact of the volume decline stemming from the plant…

Corning Painter

Analyst · Barclays. Please proceed with your question

Thank you, Charles. There's been a lot of news and comments regarding automotive OEM and China in the media. I would like to take a few minutes to share what we are actually seeing on the ground and why we are confident in our guidance. We see a few macro trends playing out in our business. First, business confidence is a bit subdued presently. In terms of our markets, this is most true in China and less so elsewhere. We see this in our volumes. For example, comparing volume trends over several years leading up to and following Chinese New Year, we see a weaker trend this year. This reflects Chinese customers taking longer shutdowns around the holiday. Second, the automotive segment has been under some pressure, again, most significantly in China. We've seen this play out in our business as weakening specialty demand both from destocking and slowing underlying demand. Automotive OEM demand impacts several specialty markets including coatings, adhesives and sealants and engineered plastics. In contrast, our Rubber segment, carbon black for tires has held up well as you would expect since about 75% to 80% of global demand for rubber black is for replacement tires. About three quarters of our MRG carbon black goes into new cars and this has been impacted, particularly in China where our rubber sales are heavily weighted towards higher-margin technical rubber grades used in MRG. We are currently reviewing our MRG channel management systems around the globe and expect to see improvements in them over time. A third trend that is a small impact today, but will be more impactful in the medium to long-term is electric vehicle. While we are not internally planning on a second half rebound in China automotive OEM, we could see continued momentum in their EV segment.…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Michael Leithead with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.

Michael Leithead

Analyst · Barclays. Please proceed with your question

Good morning, guys. I guess, first on the guide, I was a bit surprised at the emphasis on China on the rage, as I thought China was, call it, 5% of your business. So, can you maybe help clear up why China is so important to next year's performance? And with that, maybe touch on what you're seeing in your two biggest regional markets, US and Europe.

Charles Herlinger

Analyst · Barclays. Please proceed with your question

Okay. Yeah. So, China is for us – if we focus on Specialty, and I think that's really where the emphasis is, we gave some disclosure on Rubber around MRG, but I think the bigger impact for us in the Specialty area. China is about 15% market for our Specialty products. So, we make about 20% of that 15%, but the balance we export. So, it's an end destination for directly made carbon black. That's an impact for us. And beyond that, some of our customers where we're selling them carbon black in Europe or even in the US, their end market for their product is going into China as well. That's a little bit harder to measure, but that's a significant issue as well.

Michael Leithead

Analyst · Barclays. Please proceed with your question

Got it. That's helpful. And then, Corning, could you maybe give us little bit more details on the revamped incentive program you're working on? And is it fair for us to assume it kind of follows on from what you learned at your former company when they realigned compensation structure?

Corning Painter

Analyst · Barclays. Please proceed with your question

Yes. You can make that second assumption. So, similar to both companies, moving from where you used a companywide number for performance, let's say, EBITDA and instead moving it to something that gives employees more of a line of sight. So, let's imagine you're in a plant and you're talking to the team and you're saying, look, we're going to reward you for good work, for hard work. When they're incented around the whole company, we can say that and I mean it, and it's all true of everybody and every plant does it, but it's just a little less immediate for the people at that site. And so, the concept here is we get people, greater visibility between their action going to a smaller pool and it's going to affect their bonus more correctly. That's all about the annual incentive plan. For the long-term incentive plan, what we put in there was just an ROCE component because I think capital spending is just critical for our shareholders, for our company, for your long-term trend and I wanted to make sure we have that in our incentive thoughts.

Michael Leithead

Analyst · Barclays. Please proceed with your question

Great, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. Our next question comes from the line of John Roberts with UBS. Please proceed with your question.

John Roberts

Analyst · John Roberts with UBS. Please proceed with your question

Thank you. Can you hear me okay?

Corning Painter

Analyst · John Roberts with UBS. Please proceed with your question

Yeah.

John Roberts

Analyst · John Roberts with UBS. Please proceed with your question

China was buying a lot of feedstock globally a couple of years ago and increasing the basis on your raws beyond just oil prices. Is it the opposite currently? And is there a very favorable basis versus oil on the raws that you are purchasing?

Corning Painter

Analyst · John Roberts with UBS. Please proceed with your question

I think the question in the broadest sense is kind of what's the trend on differentials right now and do they trend up or down. And I say, in the current market, and now even talking about going into 2019, differentials continue to trend up. And I would say I think there's some imports – exports of CBO from the US heading towards Asia as well.

John Roberts

Analyst · John Roberts with UBS. Please proceed with your question

Why do you think that is? Why wouldn't the weakness in China have made that differential more favorable?

Corning Painter

Analyst · John Roberts with UBS. Please proceed with your question

So, I think that there is continued challenge in a place like the US with shale gas, which is a lighter oil. I think just simply the availability of the heavy oil feedstock continues to get tighter. And then, for a company for Orion, we're focused very much on the Specialty side, so that also means that many sites were looking really for high quality, meaning also clean CBO. And that's just become scarcer and more competition for it.

John Roberts

Analyst · John Roberts with UBS. Please proceed with your question

And then, if you back out the Korean closure, it sounded like rubber black was essentially flat year-over-year in volumes. What do you think the industry was down?

Corning Painter

Analyst · John Roberts with UBS. Please proceed with your question

Well, I think if you looked at overall tire, you'd have a look at that. I think from memory, I think in January, it was down 1% in terms of OEM portion of that. And then, you have to figure, that's only a portion of the overall tire market.

Charles Herlinger

Analyst · John Roberts with UBS. Please proceed with your question

But as far as the whole of last year, John, goes, it's probably the range we've talked about before, 1% to 2%. Obviously, your question is more directed to going forward. That's too early for us to say. But, certainly, we think our performance was a little bit behind the market growth only because we're focused on maximizing mix and we're at pretty high capacity utilization levels certainly in Europe and the US and South Africa and our business in Brazil.

John Roberts

Analyst · John Roberts with UBS. Please proceed with your question

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jeffrey Zekauskas with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question.

Jeffrey Zekauskas

Analyst · Jeffrey Zekauskas with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question

Thanks very much. Your outlook for next year is for pretty flat EBITDA. In rough terms, do you expect EBITDA growth in Rubber black offset by some contraction in Specialty blacks? Is that the general arc of your change?

Corning Painter

Analyst · Jeffrey Zekauskas with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question

Pretty much, yeah.

Charles Herlinger

Analyst · Jeffrey Zekauskas with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question

Yeah.

Jeffrey Zekauskas

Analyst · Jeffrey Zekauskas with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question

Can you talk about the pricing dynamics in the Rubber black for 2019?

Corning Painter

Analyst · Jeffrey Zekauskas with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question

So, the prices for 2019 – for those who are new – are largely set the year before, certainly for Europe and North America. And the pricing dynamics was positive. Probably the biggest gains scored in North America than in Europe. These are areas where the pricing had been, I would say, below cost of capital. So, it's only logical and natural that those numbers would go up. And they moved up for us. We haven't really disclosed what we would expect. Obviously, we're going to have some mix effect with the MRG impact in all of this, but I would say we would see our gross profit per ton moving up next year, let's say, low double-digits.

Jeffrey Zekauskas

Analyst · Jeffrey Zekauskas with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question

Okay. I think you said at the beginning of the call that your EPA expenditures were $190 million through 2025 and they're $80 million for 2019. Roughly, what are they in 2020? Is that also another…?

Charles Herlinger

Analyst · Jeffrey Zekauskas with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question

It's another heavy year.

Jeffrey Zekauskas

Analyst · Jeffrey Zekauskas with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question

Yes.

Charles Herlinger

Analyst · Jeffrey Zekauskas with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question

And simply because we want to get on top of these projects, get them behind us for all the obvious reasons. Quite frankly, when we come to manage the spend, as you'd expect, we might find that to keep leverage on some of the vendors, although we have the commitment out there, the actual cash flow extends out a bit into the later year. In other words, into 2021. That's certainly likely. But in terms of CapEx commitment, the next two years, 2019 and 2020, they will be the heavier years certainly.

Jeffrey Zekauskas

Analyst · Jeffrey Zekauskas with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question

Right. And the EPA spending bears on both your Rubber black operations and your Specialty black operations in the US, is that fair?

Corning Painter

Analyst · Jeffrey Zekauskas with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question

Much more on the Rubber.

Charles Herlinger

Analyst · Jeffrey Zekauskas with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question

Yeah.

Jeffrey Zekauskas

Analyst · Jeffrey Zekauskas with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question

Much more on the Rubber. Do you have any rough estimate of when you might get some reimbursement from Evonik? Like, do you think it's a 2019 event or 2020 or 2021? Or if you had to put a probability on those three years, which year would have the higher probability?

Corning Painter

Analyst · Jeffrey Zekauskas with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question

Yeah. So, this is one of these things where, I think, it's obvious to say we have some level of discussions with Evonik. And I think when you're in a negotiation like this, your best shot at keeping that moving forward to a good outcome is just not to negotiate it in public. So, I'd really like to not move forward – not really comment a lot on where that's there. Obviously, if one can't agree, one goes through our resolution process, which can drag it out. So, that's on the table as a possibility naturally.

Jeffrey Zekauskas

Analyst · Jeffrey Zekauskas with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question

Sure. And then, lastly, with all of the EPA spending, is that capital that you think you'll get a return on or it's just kind of a cost of doing business?

Charles Herlinger

Analyst · Jeffrey Zekauskas with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question

It's the old way you do the calculation, John. I don't mean to be flippant about it. It's necessary, Jeff, to do the business – stay in business.

Jeffrey Zekauskas

Analyst · Jeffrey Zekauskas with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question

Sure.

Charles Herlinger

Analyst · Jeffrey Zekauskas with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question

On one hand. On the other hand, it is expenditure that doesn't have a sort of incremental, directly attributable return to it. I would say, however, the market – the moat around the business is going to increase the whole environmental requirements and knowledge how to do that and the ability for us to then, of course, through the scrubbing process use the higher sulfur feedstocks. So, there are some – depending on how you do the calculation, you can come up with some pretty meaningful benefits in that regard. Now, in our case, as you've already alluded to with your question on Evonik, the investments needs to be considered on a net basis. So, when you start factoring those altogether, it is not an uninteresting project, curiously enough.

Jeffrey Zekauskas

Analyst · Jeffrey Zekauskas with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question

Right. And then, lastly, raw materials went up for you in 2019. So, all things being equal, should you have – should you use less working capital in 2019 than you used in 2018? And will there be any net raw material price relief for you through your income statement in 2019?

Charles Herlinger

Analyst · Jeffrey Zekauskas with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question

To your first point, yes, if you're a betting person, so to speak. We, certainly, would not expect to see the same hit by any means in 2019 and we may claw some of it back in terms of working capital consumption. In terms of relief, I think – again, it's a function of oil price. And as your question alludes on the Specialty side, our margins will be boosted by a fall in oil prices, yeah.

Jeffrey Zekauskas

Analyst · Jeffrey Zekauskas with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question

Yeah. Okay, great. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. Our next question comes from the line of Chris Kapsch with Loop Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Christopher Kapsch

Analyst · Chris Kapsch with Loop Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Yeah. Good morning. My question was a follow-up to the first one about just trends geographically and sort of the emphasis on China as a key variable in terms of hitting the low end or high end of your guidance. So, just want to make sure I understand that because you have the one plant in China, which I believe is technical and MRG grades which, therefore, flows into rubber black. And your answer to the prior question was more about specialties and presumably weakness in China showing up in other regions that you export to to China. So, I'm just wondering if you could actually talk about the geographic trends in other areas and where some of that China weakness is showing up indirectly. And then, if you could also just talk about – I'm guessing there is precipitous weakness for the technical and MRG grades in China, maybe very late in the fourth quarter and through the first couple of months of this year. Can you just talk about how that's trended and what do you think is influencing that? Obviously, weak automotive, but is there also – how vicious is the destock tied to those grades? And is any of it also tied to the notion that, in China, going into the winter, the supply chain anticipates shutdowns and, therefore, had built extra inventory, and so there is almost an exaggerated effect associated with the destock in the channel.

Corning Painter

Analyst · Chris Kapsch with Loop Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Okay. So, let's start with the first part of the question, where in the world are we exporting into China effectively. And we export into China from the US, from Germany, from Korea and actually from Sweden, would be the primary locations. And so, those are areas where those plants get a little bit less load when this plays out. And then, if we move to the issue of MRG in China, so you're absolutely right. That became more clear as time went on. And you could look at what's happened right now when you say, hey, look, we're down more in our volumes than, let's say, China tire is down, this China automotive OEM is down. So, how can that be? And you can explain it away with saying it's destocking, and I'm sure there's some destocking in that number. But the challenge with destocking is, it is hard to put precise understanding on how much destocking is. And I fear, at times, it's a little bit like just hoping, hoping it's destocking and, therefore, it's going to come back quickly. And we don't want to hope. I don't want to ever hope in business, right? We want to know. We want to work on things. And so, as we dug into the whole issue around MRG, we started feeling that there were some issues in our channel management approach that maybe we were being impacted more than our fair share. So, then once you see that, okay, this is something we now – once you understand it, you can go after it, you can go and work. And when I talk about self-help, sorting this thing out is an opportunity for self-help. Exactly how much is this an issue versus how much was destocking? To be honest with you, it's very hard to say. But that's what we're after and I don't think we're chasing a shadow. I think there is an opportunity there.

Christopher Kapsch

Analyst · Chris Kapsch with Loop Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Got it. Corning, just following up on that dynamic, has it also undermined the pricing and, therefore, contribution margin for that particular piece of business, the technical MRG into China automotive OE?

Corning Painter

Analyst · Chris Kapsch with Loop Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

So, I would say, that was – so MRG, by its nature, is more attractive than tire. So, when you lose that, right, in terms of your mix, it is definitely a drag. To get back in, once you're out there, price might play a part in that. But I don't think that's going to be primarily a price story. But it is going to be there in our mix. If I think about us versus other people in China, the impact to us is much smaller because China is just much smaller, but we were almost all MRG and technical rubber grade material. So, what we lose in China is probably a little bit more painful, let's say, on a per ton basis than if we were just playing the broad field in China. And in terms of getting back our volume and reloading that plant, worse comes to worse, I can put that stuff in a tire. It's just – we don't really want to give up the differentiated position that we've established.

Christopher Kapsch

Analyst · Chris Kapsch with Loop Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Got it. And then, I guess, if you just look at the numbers in the 10-K and say, okay, as a percentage of sales, China is X. It understates – given the indirect exposure through exporting of specialties from other regions, which you mentioned, you're understating really the ultimate exposure to China. So, do you have a – I know it's not precise, but do you have a better feel for what that percentage of exposure to China is?

Corning Painter

Analyst · Chris Kapsch with Loop Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Yeah. I would say we have a sense of the range of how high that could be, which is, I would say, it would be another 50% to 100% of the volume that we sell into China, for Specialty that is.

Christopher Kapsch

Analyst · Chris Kapsch with Loop Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

No. I meant as a percentage of overall Orion sales, do you have a sense – if we just look at the…

Charles Herlinger

Analyst · Chris Kapsch with Loop Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Chris, it's difficult for us to tell. There are three pieces, right? There's a piece that we make and produce – produce in China and sell in China. It's easy. This is stuff that we sell from Europe or the US into China. We, obviously, know what that is. And those two numbers get us to about 15%, okay, of our total volume. The third piece is what customers are buying presumably from us in Europe, say, which then ends up in their products going into China. That is much more difficult for us to know for obvious reasons. And that is certainly from seeing the reaction of our customers in Europe to the slowdown in China. That is significant. Is it as much as what we sell in directly into China? Who knows? But it's significant.

Corning Painter

Analyst · Chris Kapsch with Loop Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

So, if you say what we sold – making there and exporting in, if we say that's 15%, I'm going to say, I would think that our overall into China is at least 20%. And at the absolute upper end, in my opinion – don't have it nailed – it would be in the high 20s, maybe even 30. But it's in that kind of a range where our customer products are running. And I think for some of our customers who make master batch and so forth, there's some momentum of how they shift around where their products are going.

Christopher Kapsch

Analyst · Chris Kapsch with Loop Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Okay. Yeah, thank you. And then, I guess, finally, just a question on something that we hadn't heard a lot about in maybe the last couple of few years, but feedstock differentials. They've been benign when there are some alterations to the supply agreements in the Rubber black for not just you, but really most industry players, I believe. So, in this formal comment, there is a mention of adverse differentials. Just wondering, like, what's baked into your guidance for 2019 in terms of feedstock differentials? And also, if I understand what you're commenting, Charles, earlier about, once the scrubber equipment is in and you're able to use higher sulfur feedstock, then does that represent a potential inflection for maybe what might be a feedstock differential headwind in 2019 could turn to – flip the other way in 2020?

Charles Herlinger

Analyst · Chris Kapsch with Loop Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Your first question, it's factored into our guidance of the differentials we had in the late stage of Q4 of 2018. In terms of the ability to use higher sulfur feedstocks in – once you've got the scrubbing in place, that is certainly a potential advantage. But what we've done, Chris, and we've talked about this previously, is in all our contracts, we have a clear provision for us to recover IMO 2020, if you want to call it that, increases in feedstock due to the new sulfur content rules. And so, I think that cuts both ways. So, if we're looking to recover those costs, which we are in our contract, and then later on we can use cheaper or higher sulfur feedstocks because we've got scrubbing in place, then we're going to be having a sort of open communication at that time with our customers. It certainly makes us more competitive. That is the agreement we have in place. So, we are insulated pretty much on the downside, but we shouldn't expect to have a big windfall on the upside.

Christopher Kapsch

Analyst · Chris Kapsch with Loop Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. Our next question comes from the line of Kevin Hocevar with Northcoast Research. Please proceed with your question.

Kevin Hocevar

Analyst · Kevin Hocevar with Northcoast Research. Please proceed with your question

Hey, good morning, everybody.

Corning Painter

Analyst · Kevin Hocevar with Northcoast Research. Please proceed with your question

Good morning, Kevin.

Kevin Hocevar

Analyst · Kevin Hocevar with Northcoast Research. Please proceed with your question

It sounds like a lot of different moving pieces in terms of volumes, how to think of volume divide – the tire side of the rubber, the MRG side of the rubber and then specialty. Could you kind of layout what's your expectations for volumes if we kind of break it out into those three categories? What's your expectations for volumes for those here in 2019?

Corning Painter

Analyst · Kevin Hocevar with Northcoast Research. Please proceed with your question

So, if we start then on tire, that's probably the most predictable baseline that we have. We see right now very strong demand in North America and in Europe. Actually in brazil as well. And we don't really – we see that continuing. And we, certainly, see that continuing almost regardless of minor variations in OEM, manufacturing, automobiles, just because in those markets, the replacement market is so very significant. So, I think that's a pretty solid program for us. If we think about MRG in those two markets, so we have a little more exposure there to what we see in automotive OEM manufacturing, but I'd say in general we see that as largely holding up for us. And what we might expect to happen in OEM, that's all in our guidance. For China, we're currently on a low number. And we're looking to, over the course of this year, sort of rebuild what we've got in that market. If I shift to specialty, so we look at where our current kind of rates are, as we look at our run rate going into this quarter, what we see in January February, making adjustments for Chinese New Year and so forth, we're looking at basically a trendline off of that. I want to be clear. We're not going to make guidance based on a hockey stick. What we're giving you guys is guidance that's based on what's real, what we see and we look at how December went year-on-year compared to other years, how we see January/February. And so, we see these things going on, let's say, a trajectory from where they are now. That's what you might expect, but not like some kind of gigantic hockey stick in the second half. I hope the world economy changes and all that plays out, but I just don't think that's a basis for guidance.

Kevin Hocevar

Analyst · Kevin Hocevar with Northcoast Research. Please proceed with your question

Okay, got you. And then, obviously, we just kind of kicked in the 2019 contracts here earlier in this calendar year. What do you need to see as we go through this year to be able to get pricing again in 2020? I don't think that there's too much in terms of capacity coming online. It sounds like, at least, from the tire side, you expect some volume growth. So, I guess, what do you need to see to position you guys well to get pricing again in next year.

Corning Painter

Analyst · Kevin Hocevar with Northcoast Research. Please proceed with your question

So, I think if things simply continued as they are, it would be another good pricing year. And I'm talking about Europe and North America because that's where this contract structure is in place. It's a little bit different in Asia. We see, even right now when there's glitches in the supply chain at someone's location, there's a real struggle to get the spot opportunities for them. I'd also say, during the course of this year, different plants, carbon black plants are going to be taking outages to set things up for their EPA work. We'll have a short one coming up later this month. So, that's going to impact capacity as well. So, the truth is not much has to change. It just, I think, carries on and it's just the natural and logical consequence of many years of non-investment [ph] in carbon black, investment in the tire and now building on to that, let's say, people who used to export into the US – tires, that is – who are now building facilities to manufacture in the US. And those simple trends that are out there and they're playing out and we're getting qualification volumes right now for new lines, that's just setting the stage for this.

Kevin Hocevar

Analyst · Kevin Hocevar with Northcoast Research. Please proceed with your question

Got you. Okay, thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I'll turn the floor back to Mr. Painter for any final comments.

Corning Painter

Analyst · Barclays. Please proceed with your question

Thank you all for joining us today. We appreciate your valuable time and that you gave us this time. We hope you all have a great day and a wonderful weekend. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.