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Q4 2017 Earnings Call· Tue, Jan 30, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Lori and I will be your conference operator today. Thank you for joining us for this conference call for OFG Bancorp. Our speakers are José Rafael Fernández, President, Chief Executive Officer and Vice Chairman; Ganesh Kumar, Senior Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer; and Maritza Arizmendi, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. A presentation accompanies today’s remarks. It can be found on the Investor Relations website on the homepage in the What’s New Box or on the webcast, presentations, and other files page. This call may feature certain forward-looking statements about management’s goals, plans and expectations. These statements are subject to various risks and uncertainties outlined in the risks factor section of OFG’s Securities and Exchange Commission filings. Actual results may differ materially from those currently anticipated. We disclaim any obligation to update information disclosed in this call, as a result of developments, which occur afterwards. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. I’d now like to turn the call over to Mr. Fernández. José Rafael Fernández: Good morning. Thank you for joining us today. I will review the quarter’s results and Ganesh and Maritza will join us for the Q&A. As we’ve done in the past few quarters we’ll focus our prepared remarks on a few key highlights. This morning we reported strong results for the fourth quarter considering the effect of the hurricanes, the slow restoration of electricity and telecom and the continuing economic uncertainty. Earnings per share were $0.30 that included an additional $5.4 million in hurricane related provision for potential loan losses excluding that provision earnings per share would have been $0.37. You can see from our performance that our recovery is well underway…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] So our first question comes from the line of Brett Rabatin of Piper Jaffray.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Hi good morning. José Rafael Fernández: Good morning.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

I wanted to first ask – talking about the moratorium, how many or what percentage of the customers took advantage of that on the commercial and consumer side? You indicated it was too early to give some great color, but you were optimistic. What can you share with us on payments since the end of the year? José Rafael Fernández: Yes. So let me give you a little bit of a high level and Maritza can give you some data. But from the retail perspective, the moratoriums were automatic, and we have a lot of clients who chose to pay either one, two or three payments throughout the moratorium period. So even if it was automatic, we still have clients making some of their payments. So certainly, that’s encouraging. On the commercial side, I would say that the larger commercial credits really were not necessarily in need of a moratorium from our portfolio, very few of them took advantage of the moratorium and they’re back to business and they’re in general terms doing well and back to almost normal. Smaller commercial loan portfolios, small business, those are the ones who benefited from the moratorium more directly. And those are – again, some of them paid one, two or three payments throughout, but they’re starting to get back into the habit of paying their loans again. So that’s kind of a high level. I’m trying to make a difference between the consumer and commercial because one was automatic and the other wasn’t. So, Maritza might have some additional data that can share with you.

Maritza Arizmendi

Analyst

Yes. At this time, we have general data. As José was mentioning most of the retail moratoriums were automatic, so we have around 80% of our retail customer under moratorium. But some of them have kept making payments. Some of these moratoriums mature during December 15% of those that were under the moratorium and we have a good experience there with around 91% of them making payments for this first batch of maturities. And for commercial we’re starting some kind of similar behavior under the loan that are under the moratorium period.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Okay. I’m sorry, was that 91% on the consumer side.

Maritza Arizmendi

Analyst

On the retial side, yes.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Retail side, okay. Appreciate that color. And then the loan growth in the quarter was great to see. I’m curious if you’re expecting that to kind of continue to play out as the rebuilding effort continues in Puerto Rico. Then, I was just hoping for some additional color around the U.S. pays to $25 million. Any color on what that look like? And then maybe how that big strategy could get over the next year. José Rafael Fernández: Okay. So I’ll let Ganesh give you a view of that.

Ganesh Kumar

Analyst

To address the loan question and overall, we are seeing some weakness in the market in terms of consumer demand for consumer loans, obviously after the hurricanes. But auto loans category has been strong, and I think we have completed the year very, very strong. And we are, again, seeing some weakness in the residential, quite understandably so. But commercial picked up to really give us a round up good quarter. The U.S. loan program at this point in time, which we have been working on for more than few quarters, finally came into provision last quarter. And what we are doing at this point in time is to find ways to achieve geographical diversification without actually deploying a whole lot of capital in establishing a footprint and building the infrastructure ahead of any productive result. So what we are – how we are approaching is sort of trying to look at different sources for taking the credit exposure to the different markets that’s bringing the diversification objective. So we are looking at commercial participation as a category – the first category to look at it. And we are working with two entities. One you might know already, you might have heard from other community banks. The community banking alliance called bank alliance, a member alliance of about 200 banks, and they have a program that where it works with different sponsors, and we get to participate in that market. Second is our direct relationships that we are developing with various program sponsors and regional banks and national banks in United States. Towards this end, in third quarter or earlier, we recruited a very experienced banker in United States based in North Carolina and we formed a subsidiary based in North Carolina as well to go after and seek partnerships and alliances with directly with the program sponsors and banks. So I think that’s the second source that we are taking a look at it. Obviously, there would be some full purchases opportunistically as they come. We will be looking at it. And the final culmination of this strategy would be some direct originations as we feel comfortable. So this can get really – we don’t have a hard set target primarily because we are being very prudent as we are in our credit philosophy, and we would approach this as opportunities do come. So we would like to grow over here, but at the same time I’m not trying to hit any target – hard set targets. So I think primary concern at this point in time is to grow this thing in safe and sound manner basically.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Okay, appreciate the color on that. And then just, maybe lastly. You talked about in the commentary and in the press release, expecting a benefit – an influx of substantial funds from the government. Could you guys give us what you’re expecting or maybe just your color around what Puerto Rico should be getting here in the next quarter in terms of aid from the federal government? And just how you see the insurance situation playing out as well? José Rafael Fernández: Sure. So there is several estimates running around, so it’s hard to kind of come to a figure. But let’s assume that we have between $20 billion and $25 billion between federal government and insurance claims payment. So that’s a significant amount of money. If it comes in two years, that makes it – actually, that’s 2x the revenue that the central government generates on the year basis. Just to give you an idea of the magnitude. So I think that has to be put into the equation. And certainly, there is a lot of information flowing from here to the states and vice versa, and not much of it is necessarily positive. But when you get down to it the economic will be impacted throughout these two years by the flow of that – of those funds coming in. So you can do a little bit of a sensitive analysis, if you want to. But assuming $20 billion to $25 billion is a significant amount. And we think that the industries for reconstruction, for rebuilding, services, infrastructure are going to be benefited.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Okay. Great, appreciate all the color. José Rafael Fernández: Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Glen Manna of Keefe, Bruyette & Woods.

Glen Manna

Analyst

Good morning. José Rafael Fernández: Good morning.

Maritza Arizmendi

Analyst

Good morning.

Glen Manna

Analyst

So just to follow-up a little bit on the moratoriums. By the end of January now have all of your moratoriums rolled off? José Rafael Fernández: Almost, I would say, but there is still a little bit of trickled down into February.

Glen Manna

Analyst

Okay. And on the fee deferral side, have they rolled off as well – as of the end of January or not yet.

Maritza Arizmendi

Analyst

No, no the deferral fees ended in January – in January yes.

Glen Manna

Analyst

So loan deposits and everything that will be done by the end of January. José Rafael Fernández: Yes.

Maritza Arizmendi

Analyst

Yes.

Glen Manna

Analyst

And can I just ask on OFG USA, that was a great color. And maybe if just a little bit more. Could you tell us what the average rate on the loans that you’re bringing on would be? And kind of what is the tenor of the loans? And are they floating rate? Are they tied to prime and LIBOR like typical C&I?

Ganesh Kumar

Analyst

They are LIBOR plus 4% to 5% and they are obviously as I said it’s LIBOR plus. And these term loans are typically seven years various purposes for a mid market companies. Either they are substituting a existing debt or funding acquisitions, mostly funding acquisitions and growth purposes. So these are the kind of loans that we are looking at. So for each category – each one of those categories, we internally basically develop our own credit box, and that’s what we are sticking to at this point in time.

Glen Manna

Analyst

Okay, great. And on the expense side, it looks like there were some moving parts in terms of OREO expenses and things like that. Where should we look for that number to kind of shake out on a normalized run rate? José Rafael Fernández: I’ll let Maritza give you the color.

Maritza Arizmendi

Analyst

The total general expenses, including the OREO expenses, we are looking at $50 million average per quarter.

Glen Manna

Analyst

Okay, great. I appreciate the answers and nice quarter. José Rafael Fernández: Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Joe Gladue of Merion Capital Group.

Joe Gladue

Analyst

Good morning. José Rafael Fernández: Hi Joe.

Joe Gladue

Analyst

I wanted to – I guess touch a little bit about the growth in the loan portfolio and the origination. It seems that you had a fairly strong performance in originations given the environment. Just one, maybe you could characterize what’s driving that? Whether it’s – the pricing or you just being more aggressive in outreach you are taking market share. Just any color you can give on how you achieve that. José Rafael Fernández: Yes, sure. Well, I think we were very agile getting back to do our thing, doing business. And I think that has shown in this quarter. I think when you look at our retail origination mostly auto and consumer, auto we had a very good quarter, and that has to do a lot with our team and the way they have reached out proactively and work with our dealers to get them back into business and help our customers. So auto was a star performer in the quarter. On the commercial side, I think the small business. I think the benefit of this being a 100% of our commercial clients small, medium and large, provided a very good opportunity to do more business. And that shows from the production in the fourth quarter, particularly on the small business. We also did very well in the commercial lending, larger type of clients here in Puerto Rico. So, again, I think getting closer to the customers, I also think our site helps us, being more nimble, being more agile. Our culture is not about trying to stay without change. We are constantly trying to force change internally and certainly externally and challenge everything in front of us. Sometimes the market gives you credit for it and sometimes it not. But with the circumstances that we’ve been operating on, after Irma and Maria, and the culture that we have of being agile and proactive, I think that was the key of the results of our quarter. We certainly think that 2018 will provide us great opportunities to continue doing what we were doing. Certainly, there is going to be bumps in the road, going forward, since we’ve been operating a very difficult environment for almost more than a decade now. But I am and we are more optimistic about the future, simply because of the work we’ve done in the last two years of getting everything ready for business.

Joe Gladue

Analyst

It’s just a follow-up a little bit. On the auto side, I just wondering if there is a big component of the demand there that was just replacing cars that were damaged in the hurricanes and if that would be fairly temporary? And I guess, just on the other side, do you have any idea how much of the loan demand you saw was the – with starting to see part of the rebuilding effort? José Rafael Fernández: Hard to tell, Joe. Hard to tell. Certainly, I think, totally may be auto has a little bit of hard replacement it’s hard to tell. We don’t have enough information for that. But we’ll see the rest of the year. See how it plays out. We are excited about the work we’re doing on the auto business and how it’s playing out.

Joe Gladue

Analyst

And I guess, I’d like to touch on the net interest margin a little bit. You did have some noticeable shifts in both earning asset mix and interest-bearing liability mix. Wondering how much of that might still be reflected in first quarter results and just what general expectations are for the – this year? José Rafael Fernández: So on the asset side the increases that we had on the asset side are – we are going to be benefiting from that going forward. Remember, we no longer have the drag of the loan – government loans that we need to get rid of. So we already did that. So that drag is no longer going to be there. And again, the benefit of going out and doing some lending out there in the island, especially on the auto side and on the commercials, more commercial type of our client, I think it’s going to help us on that side. On the liability side, certainly, we’ve grown deposits. It’s every year it is incrementally more retail focused versus commercial focused. And certainly, we do not depend on government deposits or large institutional deposits that are volatile. We try to stay away from that us as much as possible. So I think the cost of funds into the future, given what’s happening in the interest rate to market, I think there is going to be a little bit of pressure eventually during 2018. But we operate in a market that is led by a 60-plus market share player. So that hopefully rational behaviors continue to play and we don’t have that pressure sooner and have it later.

Joe Gladue

Analyst

Okay. All right, thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Alex Twerdahl of Sandler O’Neill.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Hey, good morning. At first, I just want to circle back, I think answer of a previous question where it’s I heard 91% of retail loans are making their payments. Could you clarify exactly what that number is, the 91%?

Maritza Arizmendi

Analyst

Yes. That represents the payment we received from loans with the moratorium expired during December.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Okay. And that’s just through a specific date? Or its 91% of what you would’ve expected? Or would have been perfect? Or you still – there is still some time left in that first payment period for the other 9% to come in?

Maritza Arizmendi

Analyst

That’s what we received for December. So they can be making payment afterwards. José Rafael Fernández: So at the end of the day, these are the payments received on the moratoriums that ended December, the month of December ends in December 31, 2017. So during that month, the moratoriums that ended, which as Maritza said, 91% of those clients who were in moratorium that matured in December made their payments.

Maritza Arizmendi

Analyst

Made their payments. José Rafael Fernández: So if they make payments in January and February, they make their payments.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Okay. And then just another question on NPLs. I think you said that big – one of the drivers of slightly higher NPLs during the quarter was due to loan that were still making payments, but had some impact on their cash flow. Can you quantify what percentage of the NPLs are still technically current? José Rafael Fernández: So let me – Alex, let me just clarify something. What we said was that in the quarter we have several commercial client, commercial loans that were in accrual that where making their payments, and we place them in non-accrual because their financial statements showed some deterioration. So we have been proactive here, it doesn’t have to do with cash flows.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Okay. But do you have the percentage of NPLs that might fit into that category or rough ballpark?

Maritza Arizmendi

Analyst

Well, probably the thing you could see the details but for these are new entries, around 90% of those loans were paying.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Okay, 90% of…

Maritza Arizmendi

Analyst

Of those new entries in during the quarter for commercial portfolio, okay?

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Got it. And that was done as a result of individual commercial loan review that you guys did following the storms?

Maritza Arizmendi

Analyst

Yes. José Rafael Fernández: Correct, correct.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Okay. And then what was – for the loans that are still on moratorium, what was – is that just because it didn’t take advantage of 90-day moratorium until halfway through the fourth quarter? Or what would cause someone to still be on moratorium now?

Maritza Arizmendi

Analyst

Well, most of the moratorium was for 90 days. So most of the moratorium are expiring this first quarter because since September, October and November were the most under on that 90 days moratorium period.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

So it could have start – a moratorium could effectively started in November and then it will be 90 days from November, and therefore still going on until the February?

Maritza Arizmendi

Analyst

Yes.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Okay. And then do you have any guidance on what’s the tax rates are look like in 2018, 2019?

Maritza Arizmendi

Analyst

Well, we are looking at a range between 29% to 31% for the next year.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

I believe, that’s all my – oh, one last question on the USA, the OFG USA portfolio, do you have average loan size that what you put on during the quarter?

Ganesh Kumar

Analyst

Yes, it’s – we are not exceeding $10 million or above. But we haven’t reached there yet. So it will be like between $5 million to $10 million average.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Okay. So as you started slow, it’s just five or less loans during the year – or five to 10 loans during the fourth quarter, and then you will see how those perform and improve from there, is that the right way to think about it?

Ganesh Kumar

Analyst

Yes, we are still – as I said, at this point in time, we are starting slowly and learning from there and going there.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Is it a market that you can pretty much – to the extent of your appetite that there is supply there?

Ganesh Kumar

Analyst

There is supply. Another thing I mentioned is, we are having tight – very tight credit loss at this point in the time. So out of the supply, we are trying to pick and choose, and that’s one of the reasons why I said, we don’t have a hard target. First, we want to start up stick to the credit loss for a couple of quarters and then explore other ways to do it.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Alexis Horn-Snyder of Polaris Capital Management.

Bernie Horn

Analyst

Hi, actually this is Bernie Horn in the room. Just a two clarifying questions, I must say – I’m little bit confused. On the auto loan production, I think you called out in your earnings release that there is a fair amount of auto demand that seems to have been the result of cars not being – either being damaged or lost or whatever in the hurricane. So that’s what you said in the earning release, but in the response to the prior question, you said you weren’t really able to have – you don’t have the data that really understand how much of the demand in auto loans is a result of people replacing cars. I was just thinking that you must be able to see it at some point, and I know some of the other banks have called out the large cash inflows coming either from FEMA or insurance proceeds into the banks. So if you can see the insurance proceeds coming in and then they go back out that replace a damaged car, I think that you would have the data on that. And then the second question I have relates to this 91% that you’re talking on the moratorium loans. Does that mean that 9% of the loans are actually delinquent, which would seem to me to be a very large number. And again, it’s probably related to this idea that some of the loans are still under moratorium, but not. I’m just trying to get a bit more clarification on those two things? Thanks. José Rafael Fernández: Okay. Thank you for your questions. On the auto part, we certainly recognize that there is a replenishing of cars or buying cars from damaged cars from the hurricane. And that is what we are seeing anecdotally when we originated loans and the dealers. We’re also seeing continuing demand from non-damaged automobiles and basically of changing cars and that’s a little bit of mix there. So I apologize for maybe sending a different signal, but it’s really pro-rate or proportion of the origination coming from damaged cars being changed or purchased. So I hope I give you some clarity there. But we certainly will be able to give you more specifics at the end of the quarter – first quarter when we see a little bit more of a trend. And again, I apologize for any confusion there. On the December ending moratorium retail clients, what we’re seeing basically is what you said 90% or 91% of those clients, whose moratorium ended in December 31, made their payment and 9% did not. So now into your question of does that mean they’re delinquent, well, not yet, because they pay in January, they do not become delinquent. So that’s – again part of what we will be updating everyone after the first quarter.

Bernie Horn

Analyst

Okay. Thanks very much. That clarifies it.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Dafydd Lewis of LGM.

Dafydd Lewis

Analyst

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Operator

Operator

Dafydd Lewis, your line is open. Please state your question.

Dafydd Lewis

Analyst

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Operator

Operator

Mr. Lewis, you’re breaking up. We cannot understand you. There is no response from that line.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] I will now turn the call to management for any additional or closing remarks. José Rafael Fernández: Thank you for joining our call. We will be updating you the quarter when we release the 10-K later in the first quarter, and we look forward to updating you further with the first quarter results sometime in April. Thank you for your time. Have a good day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for participating in today’s conference call. You may now disconnect your lines, and have a wonderful day.