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Oceaneering International, Inc. (OII)

Q1 2015 Earnings Call· Fri, Apr 24, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Tammy, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the 2015, Q1 Earnings Release Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Mr. Jurkoshek, you may begin your conference.

Jack Jurkoshek

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning, everybody, and thanks for joining us. As usual, a webcast for this event is being made available through the StreetEvents Network service with Thomson Reuters. Joining me today are Kevin McEvoy, our Chief Executive Officer, who will be leading the call; Marvin Migura, our Executive Vice President; and Cardon Gerner, our Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Just as a reminder, remarks we make during the course of the call regarding our earnings guidance, business strategy, plans for future operation, and industry conditions are forward-looking statements made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. And I’m now going to turn the call over to Kevin.

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

Good morning. Thanks for joining the call and your interest in Oceaneering. Year-over-year and sequentially, our quarterly earnings were down, primarily as a result of lower demand and pricing for many of the services and products we offer. This was attributable to the significant drop in crude oil prices since June 2014, which in turn has led to oil and gas industry reductions in both capital and the operating expenditures. 2015 is shaping up to be a very challenging year despite first quarter EPS exceeding our guidance. Our above guidance performance through a considerable extent was attributable to an acceleration of forecasted work in Subsea Products, notably umbilical plants, throughput of our – throughput in our Panama City, Florida facility and Subsea Projects, specifically a large high-grade remediation projects in the Gulf of Mexico. We also benefited from cost reduction measures we put in place, including rightsizing our workforce, reducing training expenses and obtaining price concessions from our suppliers. Since our last earnings release, our oilfield business outlook for the remaining quarters of this year has weakened for ROVs, Subsea Projects and asset integrity. We are challenged with materially lower demand, customers demanding price concessions and competitors willing to dramatically reduce prices to secure utilization for their assets. Consequently, we are lowering our 2015 EPS guidance to a range of $2.80 to $3.20, down from $3.10 to $3.50. As I stated on our last quarterly earnings call, we do not pretend to have a better crystal ball than others. Our revised EPS guidance represents our view of our business prospects at this time. We acknowledge that the precipitous declines in demand and pricing taking place within the oilfield markets we serve are unrivaled in recent history. Our earnings for the balance of 2015 will largely be determined by a vessel-based…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from the line of James West, Evercore ISI.

James West

Analyst

Hey, good morning, guys.

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

Good morning.

Cardon Gerner

Analyst

Good morning.

James West

Analyst

Kevin, you mentioned a couple of times, your dramatically reduce pricing from your competitors, I’m curious, it sounds likes that’s more in the, the heavy asset side. Is that – is it ROVs, is it diving, which segment in particular you’ve seen kind of the most, kind of aggressive predatory pricing?

KevinMcEvoy

Analyst

It’s on the vessel side.

James West

Analyst

Okay. And I know they are working at rates that you’re just unwilling to work at or that is under-cutting you on contracts?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

Well, everybody is trying get utilization and at times like this, it’s all about price. So, in order to keep our assets employed, we’ve got to be at the market price. So, margins are getting compressed.

James West

Analyst

Okay. Okay. Fair enough. And then on the – I mean the maybe on the Subsea kind of products side, we’re hearing from – FMC yesterday and Cameron today, while this year is going to be a little bit challenging to FMC maybe on orders and Cameron were rosy about orders, I think both were pretty optimistic about recovery in 2016, I know, your business might be a bit shorter cycled, but did you agree with that assessment that this is kind of a – kind of bottomed out here in 2015 and we’ll see an upturn in 2016?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

Well, perhaps, I will go ahead with my remarks by saying, nobody really knows, but…

James West

Analyst

Sure.

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

My feeling at the moment is that, even if prices rebound to what the general consensus seems to be i.e., circa $70 or so, I find it hard to believe, that the big oil companies are going to immediately just go back to business as usual, given that they were already struggling at $100. So I think, there is some structural changes that will be taking place. And they’ll be inwardly focused on how to reduce cost, trying to manage their free cash flow and figure out what they will do with the capital that they have. And I expect that it could be beyond 2016 before it really gets back into a more predictable mode.

Marvin Migura

Analyst

James, this is Marvin.

James West

Analyst

Sure.

Marvin Migura

Analyst

The other thing, I mean, if it does recover for Cameron FDI and that will be a good news for us. But we are way more impacted by the rate at which fees get installed than at the rate of which they get ordered. So we’re looking for development work to increase, so if they order trees, we know it’s coming down the line, but we just don’t know when.

James West

Analyst

Okay. Okay. Fair enough. So for you guys it maybe a little bit of a prolonged downturn relative to others.

Marvin Migura

Analyst

It’d be.

James West

Analyst

Okay.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of John Donnel, Howard Weil.

John Donnel

Analyst

Good morning.

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

Good morning John.

Marvin Migura

Analyst

Good morning John.

John Donnel

Analyst

Regarding the pricing commentary and specific on the projects side, is any of that flowing over into the BP contract that you have in Angola or is just more on the call out work at this point in time?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

It’s kind of everywhere.

Marvin Migura

Analyst

Yeah. Everybody wants a concession.

John Donnel

Analyst

Okay. And then, is the...

Marvin Migura

Analyst

Even if it’s already contracted.

John Donnel

Analyst

Sure. Are you able to get anything from the operators in return in terms of more volume or longer terms or at this point, is it just purely pricing concessions?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

Well, we are obviously trying for both of those in return. But, as demand is weakening, that’s kind of counterintuitive of how much of that’s going to be. We certainly have gotten some concessions, we’ve traded some work for some other work and it depends on the operator and what not. But, I’d say – at this point, the bulk of conversations across the spectrum of our oilfield customers is really short-term about the price.

Marvin Migura

Analyst

And Jon, it is on a case-by-case basis depending upon the customer and the region.

John Donnel

Analyst

Okay. Yeah, fair enough. And then, I guess, some more then on the CNC Technology acquisition here. I think when you first announced that, you were thinking something in the neighborhood of $20 million to $30 million of EBITDA over the next 12 months. How, if any, has that outlook changed here just given the changes in the market since that was first announced?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

Yeah, Jon. I think – since we’ve owned them for less than a month, it’d be easy to say that it’s too early to tell. But, we’ll also say that CNC’s operations are definitely not immune to the downturn. And we took this possibility into consideration during the acquisition process, however, the rate of deceleration offshore maybe greater than we anticipated. So, we’re not going to go ahead and revise our sub-segment EBITDA. We’ll look for outlook at this time. And regardless of the near-term, we acquired C&C for the long-term and we believe it will be a very good part of Oceaneering’s portfolio.

John Donnel

Analyst

Okay.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line Ian Macpherson with Simmons.

Ian Macpherson

Analyst · Simmons.

Hey, thank you. I was wondering if you could say, based on your assumptions for uncontracted time on your ROVs for the balance of the year, do you see your ROV activity flattening out or continuing to decline significantly from where we thought in the first quarter?

Marvin Migura

Analyst · Simmons.

Ask that again, Ian. I’m sorry, I...

Ian Macpherson

Analyst · Simmons.

I’m wondering, if there is a meaningful downside in your outlook to the ROV activity level in terms of days worked relative to Q1?

Marvin Migura

Analyst · Simmons.

Okay.

Ian Macpherson

Analyst · Simmons.

Is the trough could be much lower and do you see a flattening out based on the assumptions you’re using right now?

Marvin Migura

Analyst · Simmons.

Well, I think, Kevin discussed that we had 7,000 uncontracted days on – ROV days on rigs that we’re on, that have contracts expiring in – in the balance of 2015 and we have assumed a 50% utilization of those specific rigs in general. I mean, we went rig-by-rig looking at it and it just came up to be which rigs we thought we were going to continue to that – they were going to continue to work than we would. So, I think, is there a downside? Yes. I mean, we try to quantify that part of it, but also as Kevin mentioned, the vessel base call out work is really going to be in the amount of IMR that the operators are going to do is really going to be the determining factor of our ROV utilization. And both of these are unknown, but we will say that our guidance assume that utilization of ROVs will hover around 70% for the balance of the year.

Ian Macpherson

Analyst · Simmons.

Okay. That’s good. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jim Wicklund with Credit Suisse.

JimWicklund

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Hey, guys.

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Good morning, Jim.

Jim Wicklund

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

I know – can you hear me?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Yes, sir.

Jim Wicklund

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Okay. I know that you don’t know when things are going to turn, you said one day over time. But what should we look for or what you look for to see that the market is improving. I mean other than waiting for oil prices to come back, you mentioned the structural change. Kevin, one of the things we should look for over the next year or two, three, four, five or however long it takes, to know that the deepwater is coming back?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Well, Jim the first thing as new projects going ahead, orders per trees and then eventually, we’ll get orders for umbilicals and that will tell you it’s coming back closer to one things you’re going to get installed is usually when it really starts to make a difference to us.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Chase Mulvehill with SunTrust.

Josh Large

Analyst · SunTrust.

Hi, thanks. This is Josh Large on for Chase. I just want to continue with the ROV question. So we’ve kind of got utilization for the balance of the year, how should we think about margins, is this the bottom this quarter or should we think of a deterioration kind of going forward?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · SunTrust.

Well, I mean that’s pretty hard to predict. I mean, we certainly are hoping that we’re seeing the bottom in terms of pricing and margins certainly on the rig side of the [ph] legacy here, but we’ll have to see. I mean we’re not – there’s nothing out there that we see that would suggest that it will deteriorate significantly more, apart from what happens on vessel pricing, and that would impact our ROV pricing there.

Marvin Migura

Analyst · SunTrust.

And I don’t think that the full extent of the pricing concessions negotiated in Q1 have been gone through the income statement. But offsetting that are some pretty substantial cost reduction. So we’re not going to call the bottom. But right now, we think it’s going to be so much as what Kevin said before is timing and rate of utilization of vessel-based ROVs and the callout work.

Josh Large

Analyst · SunTrust.

Okay. Great. And then on buybacks, should we think of that more as free cash flow, I know you’ve mentioned in the past that net debt-to-EBITDA that you are kind of comfortable with. Should we think of the company kind of levering up to that or just free cash flow for this year?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · SunTrust.

I think that our leverage ratios that we gave before, we are certainly going to be fairly conservative during this period of time. And we will tend to hold onto more cash than we would, then we otherwise that market was really good. So, we need to be conservative, we want to be able to take advantage of opportunities that is there. We also need to be very conservative about maintaining our liquidity.

Josh Large

Analyst · SunTrust.

All right. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And your next question comes from the line of Ole Slorer, Morgan Stanley.

Ole Slorer

Analyst

Thank you very much. Your Subsea Products margins at 20.8%, very strong. Is there any different dynamic going on in that market where there may be more proprietary products or what are the sort of pricing trends that you see their compared to your other businesses?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

Ole, our products are stronger than many others because of the service element that we have in tooling and IWOCS. And I would say that the market trend for IWOCS has been remain strong as most of the work is being down offshore from a drilling rig relates to completions and therefore IWOCs demand has held up rather well. Going forward, the pricing on umbilicals continues to be challenged and tooling is really going to be a matter of utilization on vessel callout. And I think that – that sort of covers the top three, right? I mean, it’s really – how much maintenance work...

Ole Slorer

Analyst

I understand.

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

How much maintenance work our company is able to postpone, and therefore, what will that next be in our products results.

Ole Slorer

Analyst

And we’ve postponed a lot. So, hopefully that has to come back again at some point. My follow-up question would be on your repair and maintenance side. I mean, you’ve gone in a way long multi-purpose supply boats, and I think we all realized how bad the over capacity is in the supply boat market, and where the capacity also being delivered into that market for the next 12 months to 18 months. And I just wonder, to what extent, how long vessels are at the moment and how much of an issue is that for you when you are talking about your margin out, but let’s say compared to if you had a more short-term targets and you able to pass those costs on?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

Well I think, I mean first of all what the market demand is going to end up to be in the Gulf of Mexico in terms of us being able to keep our vessels here employed remains to be seen. But in 2016, we do have opportunities to release a boat or two if we should be and have to be the right thing to do.

Ole Slorer

Analyst

So you can re-price in 2016?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

Well, we can release.

Marvin Migura

Analyst

Or we may contract or re-price, yeah.

Ole Slorer

Analyst

Let’s say prices have dropped to a fair amount.

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

Yes. Yeah.

Ole Slorer

Analyst

You can [indiscernible] on much lower prices?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

We could, yes.

Ole Slorer

Analyst

And the timing of that in 2016, how should I think about that?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

Late second quarter – or yeah, at the end of the second quarter or early third quarter.

Ole Slorer

Analyst

Okay. Thanks for that.

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

It will be consistent with delivery of our new boat, the Jones Act vessel that we are building, which we still believe – well although we still believe that the Jones Act vessel will have a marketing advantage in the Gulf of Mexico over other foreign flag vessels of similar capability.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Daniel Burke, Johnson Rice.

Daniel Burke

Analyst

Good morning, guys.

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

Hi.

Marvin Migura

Analyst

Hi.

Daniel Burke

Analyst

Just have one left on Subsea Products, I understood that the timing influence and the pull forward in Q1, and how that affects Q2, and understand that visibility is limited, but whether this is – this question is specifically directed on vehicles and more broadly on products. Do you have visibility into products top line in the second half 2015 looking stronger than first half 2015?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

I think just generally our, all of Oceaneering’s second half is stronger than first half, consistent with every year. So – and I think, it really depends on project timing and at the rate at which we push it through, but I would say that we are expecting a stronger second half in products than first half.

Daniel Burke

Analyst

And Marvin is that true across all, I guess four of the major products sub segments or can you differentiate amongst them as you look to the second half? I’m surprised for example that tooling will be stronger second half than first half maybe?

Marvin Migura

Analyst

Well, it really depend. I mean, the third quarter is when I mean, almost sound like a broken record about a lot depends on the rate at which our customers do inspection, maintenance and repair particularly in the Gulf of Mexico globally, because vessel utilization drives our utilization of ROVs and demand for tooling. So there’s a lot callout work is short cycle expected in our second half forecast, even though we are saying it will be lower than last year.

Daniel Burke

Analyst

Okay. Guys, that’s helpful. That’s really all I have left. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your last question comes from the line of Ian Macpherson, Simmons.

Ian Macpherson

Analyst

That’s it’s for me. I was going to ask the same thing on the second half waiting, I guess the only thing I would ask for clarification is. Do you think the ROVs will be up in the second half or the first half? That’s the one where I’m struggling a little bit.

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

Not at this time.

Ian Macpherson

Analyst

Okay.

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

We don’t. We’re not – at our midpoint, we don’t see it up.

Ian Macpherson

Analyst

Got it. Okay, thanks for that clarification.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions. Do you any closing remarks?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

Yes. Since there are no more questions, I’d like to wrap up by thanking everyone for joining the call. And this concludes our first quarter 2015 conference call. Have a good day. Bye-bye.