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Oceaneering International, Inc. (OII)

Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Fri, Oct 30, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good morning ladies and gentlemen. My name is Ryan and I will be your conference operator today. At this time I would like to welcome everyone to the 2015 Third Quarter Earnings Review. [Operator Instructions]. I would now like to turn our call over to Jack Jurkoshek. Please go ahead.

Jack Jurkoshek

Analyst

Good morning. Thanks for joining us on our 2015 third quarter earnings conference call. As usual, the webcast of this event is being made available through the StreetEvents network service by Thomson Reuters. Joining me today are Kevin McEvoy, our Chief Executive Officer, who will be leading the call. Marvin Migura, Executive Vice President, Alan Curtis, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer and Suzanne Spera who recently joined the company as Director of Investor Relations. Suzanne will be opening our earnings calls commencing next February. Just as a reminder, remarks we make during the course of this call regarding our earnings guidance, business strategy, plans for future operations and industry conditions are forward-looking statements made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These remarks are going to include non-GAAP measures of adjusted earnings per share and free cash flow that are reconciled to the closest GAAP measure in a posting on the IR section of our website. I'm now going to turn the call over to Kevin.

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

Good morning. Thanks for joining the call and your interest in Oceaneering. As we reported in our press release, our EPS of $0.70 was with our guidance range, but was not achieved in a manner we initially anticipated. Compared to our earlier expectations, we experienced demand declines for tooling and installation work-over and control system or IWALKS services as customer projects were either postponed or did not materialize. Furthermore, contract renewals for floating rigs on which we provide ROV drill support services were weaker than forecast. The unfavorable impacts of these market developments, were more than offset by better results from Subsea Projects and lower unallocated expenses. Subsea Projects exceeded our expectations due to higher U.S. Gulf of Mexico vessel utilization which included completion of certain projects originally scheduled for the fourth quarter. Unallocated expenses were lower, as performance-based compensation expenses were reduced based on our current projections and results relative to plan targets. In addition, during the quarter, we incurred around $9 million in foreign currency losses which our guidance does not consider. Nearly $8 million of those losses were attributable to the devaluation of the Angolan Kwanza. Year-over-year quarterly earnings decreased on significantly lower demand and pricing for most of our oil field services and products. This was attributable to reductions in capital and operating expenditures by our customers resulting from the steep decline in oil prices. Sequentially, quarterly earnings increased on lower unallocated expenses. Our outlook for the fourth quarter this year is down from what we envisioned at the time of our last quarterly earnings release primarily on reduced expectations for ROVs and Subsea Products. ROVs, on a reduction in days-on-hire for drill support work and lower average revenue per day-on-hire, subsea Products largely on lower demand for tooling and IWALKS services. Given this outlook and…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Your first question comes from the line of Kurt Hallead from RBC Capital. Your line is open.

Kurt Hallead

Analyst

The question I had here was on ROVs. When you look at the market dynamic going into next year, do you think the risk related to ROV revenue generation is still more utilization? Or is there increasing pricing pressure?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

It's probably a little bit of both. I think as operators continue to struggle with their cash flow and whatnot, there is continuing pressure there. I think, I would maybe characterize it as saying that the maybe the worst of it is over, but I still expect that this is going to be continuing until things get better here.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

And the utilization risk is higher because of drill support, rig renewals continues to fall off or be nonexistent.

Kurt Hallead

Analyst

And one thing, you gave a lot of great information. I don't know if I caught it all, but you mentioned that you expected the fourth quarter to be in that earnings range. And then, I think you indicated that you expected -- was it the products business to generate a similar level of income in the fourth quarter as it did in the third quarter? Did I hear that correctly?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

Yes you did.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Waqar Syed with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Waqar Syed

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

A couple of questions, number one, your investor-based ROV count increased nicely from 74 to 81 ROVs during the quarter. Can you see at this level into the fourth quarter or do you see seasonally it may come down in the fourth?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

I think fourth quarter seasonality is certainly going to kick in. So that will affect our vessel-based operations as it always does.

Waqar Syed

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

I was looking at last year, we didn't see that much between third and fourth quarters. That is why -- It has been nicely going up, but okay [indiscernible] to come down.

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Again, it is a callout business and customers are trying not to spend money. So we will see, but I would expect seasonality in the fourth quarter of this year.

Waqar Syed

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Secondly, your CapEx for 2016, any initial guidance? And then even broadly? What would your maintenance CapEx number be?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

We have historically characterized our maintenance CapEx as around $100 million a year. Which will probably continue. And at this point, we're not really going to put out any sort of guidance as to what that might be for next year. Although, you could surmise that it might be less. I think it will be less than it is during 2015.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ian Macpherson with Simmons. Your line is open.

Ian Macpherson

Analyst · Simmons. Your line is open.

You provided helpful color on the geographic adjustments that impacted your ROV revenues. I wonder if this sort of two points of margin that you lost in the quarter are recoverable to any degree that those changes normalize going forward? Do you think you can defend the margins where they were previously at 28% or currently at 26% in Q3? Or should we think of further downside to margins for ROVs as the revenue line continues to be under risk going forward?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Simmons. Your line is open.

Given that we noted Norway and Angola as two of the highest folks in that category that the caused that. I mean, there's not much evidence to suggest that Statoil is going to be doing much different than have been doing right now. That mix is probably going to continue in that vein and same with Angola at the moment.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst · Simmons. Your line is open.

Ian, as we also indicated, with utilization expected to continue to be under pressure in drill support, seasonality and vessel-based. And continued pricing pressure, even though we're cutting costs everywhere we can, I think that margin percentage is very difficult to defend in this environment.

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Simmons. Your line is open.

In this environment.

Ian Macpherson

Analyst · Simmons. Your line is open.

Yes. My follow-up question, I'm sorry that I missed this when you're going over the elements of Q4 guidance. Did you say your unallocated expenses which were low in Q3, those would tick up or tick down in Q4?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Simmons. Your line is open.

We said they would be lower.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jim Crandall with Cowan. Your line is open.

Jim Crandell

Analyst · Cowan. Your line is open.

Kevin, if you eliminate the mix geographically, roughly how far down are ROV rates on your most recent contracts from the peak?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Cowan. Your line is open.

Jim, we're not going to really characterize that.

Jim Crandell

Analyst · Cowan. Your line is open.

Okay.

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Cowan. Your line is open.

It is reflected in the average revenue per day. Which is complicated by mix and everything else. But to characterize it anymore finally would get into such particulars in every geographic area that it would be more unhelpful that helpful. I think from an investor standpoint. And trying to figure out what is going on.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst · Cowan. Your line is open.

It really is, Jim, on a case-by-case basis. And we don't want to give any general indication as to averages for customer pricing confidentiality.

Jim Crandell

Analyst · Cowan. Your line is open.

Okay. Kevin, you have seen a lot of cycles. And as I recall, during some of the down cycles in the past we saw more of a leveling out of day rates. Going all the way back to let's say the 1986 and 1987 cycle, how did the declines in ROV rates compare with the worst cycle, other than this one, that you have seen in your career?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Cowan. Your line is open.

Jim, were there ROVs around in 1986 and 1987? I remember at least in 1986 when I was in the Morgan City Office we had a total of three ROVs working and none of them were in the Gulf of Mexico.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst · Cowan. Your line is open.

I don't think there is a comparability--

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Cowan. Your line is open.

I don't think it is comparable at all to compare those.

Jim Crandell

Analyst · Cowan. Your line is open.

How about -- take the 2009 down cycle. I think we saw more of a flattening in rates there. This has certainly got to be measurably worse than that.

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Cowan. Your line is open.

This is totally different. That was really a very minor downward blip for us as a company. Across our service lines including -- drilling didn't slow down, during that time. And so this is very different and quite more negative compared to that timeframe.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst · Cowan. Your line is open.

In 2009 we didn't have a record earnings year, it was still our second best year ever because it was still better than 2007. Deepwater didn't suffer. It continued to grow through it. And there was that initial shock, but then Deepwater momentum continued. Right now, that is the one thing you can't say about this market.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Chase Mulvehill with SunTrust. Your line is open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open.

This is Josh logged on for Chase. Thanks for taking my question. My question is kind of around Subsea Projects, did you -- help us characterize spot work during the quarter and how competitive that is?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open.

As we said last quarter, the situation hasn't really changed. It is a very competitive environment. More vessels in the Gulf of Mexico than there is demand. I think we're getting our fair share of utilization, maybe even more so. However, pricing is pretty competitive and margins tend to be thin.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open.

Okay. What percent of revenue would be from the spot work that you had in Q3?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open.

We have one vessel in the Gulf of Mexico that is on a term charter, everything else is spot work.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open.

We don't break out projects by region to not give too much detail on the BP Angola contracts. This is one customer and two vessels. I would say that it is a substantial portion of the total and whatever overwhelming amount of the Gulf of Mexico vessel-based services projects segment.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of David Wilson with Howard Weil. Your line is open.

Dave Wilson

Analyst · Howard Weil. Your line is open.

I just got one quick follow-up. I think you might have mentioned it, but I could've missed it. Regarding ROVs on rigs rolling off contract, did you give a number for 2016 of what your exposure there was?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Howard Weil. Your line is open.

We have not.

Dave Wilson

Analyst · Howard Weil. Your line is open.

Would you be able to? Or I can do some digging, I guess.

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Howard Weil. Your line is open.

Why we didn't give a number, is because we don't know about the sanctity of rig contracts right now. It really is and you know this better than I do, it is a drilling rig market that is very concerned about extend and blend or cancel. We focus on the decline and the number of rigs that we're working quarter-over quarter and how many ROVs we have on it. We didn't go there this quarter.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Mike Urban with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Michael Urban

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

I guess kind of a broader organizational or maybe even a strategic kind of question or questions. We saw over the last several months, a number of releases for you on management changes, people coming and going, changing roles within the Company. Outside of exiting DOP control systems I haven't necessarily seen or maybe I just missed it, is there some kind of broader organizational change going? Is there anything you are doing structurally or anything you're trying to accomplish there? I would be interested in your thoughts on that.

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

I think what you have seen in terms of announcements is normal succession and organization planning and whatnot. In terms of structural changes I would say no, apart from our continuing look at how we can better streamline the Company to reduce overall cost.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

I think there is a considerable amount of effort and cost reductions going on within the segments. But I think if you look at the personnel changes we're blessed with bench strength and Alan Curtis became the new CFO, with my pending exit. And he has been with us for as long as I have. Clyde Hewlett became our Chief Operating Officer. And Clyde has been here almost as long as Kevin has and longer than I have. And Rod, who was promoted to President, he has been here now for three years. All of this is a very orderly transition. And we recruited Steve Barrett for -- to run our Subsea Products Group. I would say that organizationally, there have been a few press releases, but there has been very little change in pace or direction within Oceaneering. And other than exiting the BOP controls new systems, we have not changed anything in our business strategy. We bolted on C&C and we continue to look for growth opportunities.

Michael Urban

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

That may answer my second question, so no change in direction broadly speaking right now? But given some of the structural challenges that are out there in the industry, are you re-valuating your position or investments in certain markets? Other places where you might want to add or exit? And just the overall strategic direction of the Company?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

We're not really looking to change the offshore subsea focus of the Company. I think we're going to continue to go down the path that we have been going down. If there are opportunities to make an acquisition we will certainly look at those. We have the capability of making some deals, but otherwise we're staying with our knitting here, so to speak.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Right now, Mike, we continue to look for growth opportunities. We don't think there's going to be any distressed subsea asset sales, other than vessels and we're not interested in that at this time. But, we're continuing to look for opportunities to add assets, to do geographic expansion rather than any type of contraction. We know that may suffer our margins as we keep a store-based network functioning with reduced activity everywhere. But I think it will help us considerably if we're able to expand -- specifically subsea work systems to do well stimulation or hydrate remediation and IWOCS. We're looking to grow rather than to contract.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Brad Handler with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Brad Handler

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

Maybe just a couple of follow-ups that you have spoken to a little bit already. Can you give us visibility on BP Angola specifically? Do you expect to retain two vessels that works through 2016?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

We're not going to comment on that. Right now we're pretty clear on what our contract coverage is, but you know and I know that those things are subject to change today.

Brad Handler

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

Maybe speaking to just your last answer a little bit. Are there stair steps in demand that might have you think a little bit differently about cost savings opportunities? Or maybe just a different way to answer it is can you quantify the aggregate impact? Do you think of the cost savings steps you have taken and ones that are underway?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

No. So much is related to utilization and it is -- our ROV business is very variable. So is our vessel cost, all of our offshore crews get paid when they work. When you go to plants, a step change would be should we choose to close down an umbilical plant? And yet when we look at the three that we have, one in Scotland, one in Florida and one in outside of Rio, we see a reason to keep all three of those operating at this time. If you're going to go lower for longer and not have backlog we will revisit that when appropriate. Right now we don't see a step change. We just see less activity, less demand and lower prices and we're focused in cash flow. I think we're doing a pretty good job.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ed Muztafago with Societe Generale. Your line is open.

Ed Muztafago

Analyst · Societe Generale. Your line is open.

I just really had one question here. I wanted to focus maybe on asset integrity a little bit. I know this is the business that really has fallen off a lot more then you probably all expected. And you kind of commented that you can't go on like this forever. If we have a muted year, another year down next year, do you think this business can bump along at this level for another four quarters without really risking safety in the industry? Maybe you can just talk to how you're thinking about that.

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Societe Generale. Your line is open.

That really is a question for the operators and what their risk tolerances in that regard. I think our observation would be that there are a lot of regulatory requirements around this, so they can't just ignore it for too long. Our hope and expectation is that this will start picking up again in the first quarter to second quarter of next year. Because it has been, as you said, lower than we would have anticipated given the regulatory nature of that. Every operator -- that is their decision and stuff. And I think I would leave that with them.

Ed Muztafago

Analyst · Societe Generale. Your line is open.

Maybe just a related follow-up there, obviously, you are scaling all of the businesses down to meet the current environment. I don't know to what extent that you have fully scaled down in asset integrity. But is that a business where if it picks up unexpectedly quite quickly that you can have ample resources in place to meet that demand?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Societe Generale. Your line is open.

I would say yes. This is probably fairly true for the industry in general. But you go through a downturn like this, a lot of people lose their jobs. And they're not going to get a job in the same industry until things improve. But once it does everybody is going to come back to work. We should be able to attract the necessary personnel to attack the market when it does come back.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jim Crandall with Cowen. Your line is open.

Jim Crandell

Analyst · Cowen. Your line is open.

I wanted to come back and try to ask the pricing question on ROVs a couple of different ways. As I understand it, Kevin, it's highly unusual to be replaced as an ROV company once you are on a rig. Have you been replaced as an existing ROV supplier on a drilling rig by another company? Secondly, how does your overall drill support market share compare with levels pre-downturn?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Cowen. Your line is open.

I think the overall percentage of market share is pretty close, within a percentage point or so. That really has not changed as far as -- you are correct in saying that it is not routine for ROVs to be replaced on rigs, but it does happen. It even happens to us occasionally. I couldn't tell you whether it has happened to us in the last quarter or not, I just don't know. Off the top of my head, but, as you said, it is very non routine. However, I would say that in the current market, where rigs are getting warm stacked and whatnot and or going into yards or whatnot, it does make it easier for that to happen. Operators are bidding everything to get the absolute lowest price. So we could see it happen. But I would not expect this to be a major shift in the industry by any stretch.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst · Cowen. Your line is open.

To say this is slightly different way, we're not losing market share. During full utilization times, you don't bother to switch out an ROV operator because of the cost associated with it.

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Cowen. Your line is open.

And time, primarily because the rig is going from well to well. And so they're not going to take a rig out of service essentially for a couple of days even to make a switch.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst · Cowen. Your line is open.

But with a lot of downtime between contracts and a lot of warm stacked rigs, there is ample opportunity should you choose and they are choosing to re-bid, but we're matching the market and continuing to work to the extent the rigs are continuing to work.

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Cowen. Your line is open.

Our strategy is we have always said, is to leave our systems on board. Warm stacked rigs, in order to have some cost advantage of not having to mobilize to go there. That does help us in our bidding strategy.

Jim Crandell

Analyst · Cowen. Your line is open.

Isn't it fair to say that historically, that you have been able to command a meaningful premium on price because of the quality of your people and all the things that make Oceaneering what it is? Is the pressure on pricing coming from the competitive aspect and that they're willing to go even deeper below Oceaneering? Or is it just the oil companies are demanding price concessions across-the-board and literally everything that is been done out there?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Cowen. Your line is open.

I think in all of these cycles, at least this is the way we would characterize it. In all of these cycles, where money gets to be very, very tight the procurement departments in oil companies have a lot more sway over decision-making. I think historically, what you said is very true. And I think that is reflected in the market share that we've had. Everybody is bidding lower now because they have to if they want utilization. And I think utilization is the name of the game. Or staying market share is in name of the game and we're doing everything we can to maintain our market share.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst · Cowen. Your line is open.

I think the pressure is more, Jim, from the customer than it is from the competitors.

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Cowen. Your line is open.

Absolutely from the customer.

Jim Crandell

Analyst · Cowen. Your line is open.

Okay.

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Cowen. Your line is open.

Everybody is trying to match up to whatever they think they want to take.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Chase Mulvehill from SunTrust. Your line is open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

You guys have been very successful with umbilical awards over the last year. I wonder if you'd help us think about 2015, what that's going to look like? As a percent of products and then how that transitions into 2016?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

Chase, we do that annually. And we're not going to do it at nine months. I haven't even calculated it myself. We have had a, as you said, a very good run in umbilical awards and execution. So, a good backlog, great book-to-bill stats that we gave out and long may it continue.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ian Macpherson with Simmons. Your line is open.

Ian Macpherson

Analyst · Simmons. Your line is open.

I wonder, could you say whether the Island Pride contract in India would be of a similar magnitude of the revenue or profit contribution that you lost in Angola going down from 3 to 2 vessels? Or are they very dissimilar?

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst · Simmons. Your line is open.

It will not be the same. Market conditions are significantly different today than they were when we did the Angola contract. No, it is very different.

Operator

Operator

We have no further questions in queue.

Kevin McEvoy

Analyst

Since there are no more questions, I would like to wrap up by thanking everyone for joining the call. And this concludes our third quarter 2015 conference call. Have a great day.