Cindy Taylor
Analyst · Raymond James. Jim, your line is now open
Jim, that's just a great question, and I appreciate you asking that. We are doing a lot of the pro forma modeling going into our budgets for next year and feel pretty comfortable with, I'd say, fairly material increases in our EBITDA margins coming out of Completion and Production Services. And just realize the businesses we are exiting were either not generating returns or generating negative returns. And so, we also put in the 10-Q, and I believe in the press release information to allow you to model. You've got to obviously reduce the top line. And I'd just say, it varied by quarter and that mostly because of our Gulf of Mexico mix, which is a higher margin business, always suffers in Q3, but particularly this particular quarter. And so that mix was a little off. But I'd say, generally speaking, you're talking about 2024 in the mid-teens kind of range for EBITDA margins. And again, a decent amount of variation by quarter, some of them high teens. As we go into -- and to your point, it's correct, one of the keys for us is seeing that offshore pickup, which will commence in Q4, but it won't be as strong as possibly it was earlier in the year just yet. But with the mix we anticipate both International, Gulf of Mexico and a much more streamlined U.S. land piece of the business, we're looking for EBITDA margins more like 23% to 25% in 2025. Again, just you got to crop off the revenue a bit to reflect the exit of these business lines. So that is Completion and Production Services. And again, if you'll recall that, when it comes to Downhole Technologies, there's really a dual strategy. Domestically, it is the rollout of the new EPIC technology that we have taken to market. It is being field tested and has been field tested over the last quarter or so. Now I will acknowledge this market has not been the best to bring new technology to market because activity has been down. However, the initial customer reception is good for the new technology domestically. And then the second leg of the stool has been international penetration on the completion side of the business. And recall that historically, most of our international perforating work was P&A driven, not completions driven. And again, as Lloyd mentioned, we're getting some early success, one with work in Brazil, and the other one in the Eastern Hemisphere. And so, while it's early days, we are expecting to see improvement on the Downhole Technologies side. And I'm looking to Lloyd for kind of a range of 2025 EBITDA margins for the business.