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Old National Bancorp (ONBPO)

Q3 2019 Earnings Call· Mon, Oct 21, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Old National Bancorp Third Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. This call is being recorded and has been made accessible to the public in accordance with the SEC’s Regulation FD. Corresponding presentation slides can be found on the Investor Relations page at oldnational.com and will be archived there for 12 months. Before turning the call over, management would like to remind everyone that as noted on slide two, certain statements on today's call may be forward-looking in nature and are subject to certain risks, uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ from those discussed. The company’s risk factors are fully disclosed and discussed within its SEC filings. In addition, certain slides contain non-GAAP measures, which management believes provide more appropriate comparisons. These non-GAAP measures are intended to assist investors understanding of performance trends. Reconciliation for these numbers are contained within the appendix of the presentation. I’d now like to turn the call over to Jim Ryan, for opening remarks, Mr Ryan?

James Ryan

Management

Good morning. I would characterize our third quarter results as consistent with our stated strategy and slightly better than our own expectations. Net income was $69.8 million and earnings per share were $0.41. When adjusted for merger charges and debt securities gain, net income was slightly higher at $70.5 million. We were pleased that adjusted earnings per share is up more than 10% from a year ago. As you view our results, you'll see that our core margin change was in line with our previous guidance. We also had a strong quarter in our fee income businesses but do expect them to return to their normal seasonal patterns; and lastly, we demonstrated good expense control. As you can see on slide three, our adjusted return on average assets was 1.4%, and our adjusted return on average tangible common equity was a strong 17.2%. During the quarter, we did see record new commercial loan production. Commercial real estate loans grew nicely but were offset by continued elevated levels of commercial and industrial clients selling their businesses and lower line usage. As a result, total loans were essentially flat for the second quarter. I remain confident that we aren’t losing clients or opportunities because we aren’t competitive. In fact, our markets remain strong and our clients continue to be optimistic as evidenced by our record commercial production. Today, our commercial pipeline remains a strong $2 billion. As you’ve come to expect from us and given the global backdrop and the inconsistent economic data, we are also staying disciplined and continue to focus on lending and our footprint. Total deposits increased 2.4% annualized and total cost of deposits in September were 49 basis points versus 52 basis points for the full third quarter. We’ve deliberately started to reprice our core deposits in reaction…

Brendon Falconer

Management

Thank you, Jim. Turning to the quarter on slide four, both our GAAP earnings per share and our adjusted earnings per share were $0.41. Adjusted earnings per share excludes $1.3 million in merger related charges, as well as $400,000 in debt securities gains. Moving to slide five. Adjusted pre-tax, pre-provision net revenue was 27% higher year-over-year. This result was driven by increased scale from our most recent Minnesota partnership, low credit cost, strong low-cost deposit base, and a continued focus on expense management. We also improved operating leverage by 624 basis points year-over-year. Slide six shows the trend in outstanding loans. As Jim referenced, our commercial loan production of $680 million was the largest in our company’s history and represents a $52 million increase over prior quarter. We ended the quarter with a record $2 billion pipeline and commercial loan activity remains strong. Despite our record commercial loan production and solid CRE growth, total loans fell slightly in the quarter. Elevated levels of payoff along with lower line utilization this quarter contributed to the slight decline. Loan portfolio yields excluding accretion and interest collected on non-accruals declined 7 basis points, and new production yields were down 24 basis points to 4.15%. Moving to slide seven, period-end deposits increased during the quarter, but declined slightly on an average basis. Our total cost of deposits is unchanged quarter-over-quarter at a very low 52 basis points. We continue to actively manage deposit costs in this down rate cycle and are pleased that our September total cost of deposits was 49 basis points, 3 basis points below our third quarter average. With nearly $1 billion in deposits indexed to Fed funds and proactive management of our exception price book, we are confident in our ability to thoughtfully manage deposit costs to lower in response…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Scott Siefers of Sandler O'Neill.

James Ryan

Management

Good morning, Scott. How are you?

Scott Siefers

Analyst

Good. Thank you. I appreciate you taking the question. I think first question is just on the cost base, got some really positive momentum here in the third quarter as you had articulated would be the case, so that was a good result. Just curious as to what you’re thinking for the fourth quarter. I think in your prepared remarks you had suggested that we fully realize the client savings. Is it possible that we could see another downdraft in expenses or would more flattish kind of be the way you're thinking now that the cost savings are all in there?

Brendon Falconer

Management

Yeah, it is flattish from here, I just, Scott, just point you back to the $1.9 million occupancy expense line item that won’t be recurring. That keeps us on the low 120s going forward.

Scott Siefers

Analyst

Okay. Perfect. Low 120. All right, perfect. Thank you. And then, I appreciate the disclosure on the CECL day one impact. I guess to the extent that you’re comfortable, I’m just curious if you have any thoughts on what the day two impact will look like as well? Do the purchase accounting benefits, do those sort of go away or just sort of get re-categorized into the provision? Do you guys have any thoughts that you’re comfortable sharing at this point?

James Ryan

Management

Well, I think what I can share with you, Scott, is that the legacy book and provisioning for new loan growth will be relatively small change moving forward, so not a material impact to how we provision going forward for loan growth.

Scott Siefers

Analyst

Okay. All right. That sounds perfect. Great, I appreciate it.

James Ryan

Management

Thanks, Scott.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Chris McGratty with KBW.

James Ryan

Management

Good morning, Chris.

Chris McGratty

Analyst · KBW.

Hey. Good morning, Jim. Good morning Brendon. Quick question on kind of the capital and the growth dynamic. Looking over the past year, you’ve built a lot of capital despite being fairly aggressive with the buyback. I guess the bigger question is what turns a loan growth from here, anything you’re kind of - any views on the pre-payment activity, what might make that abate a little bit, and also kind of I think you've got about 1.5 million shares, anything from keeping the company from authorizing additional buybacks? Thanks.

Brendon Falconer

Management

I’ll let Jim talk about the loan growth, and I will comment on the share buyback.

James Ryan

Management

Yeah, you know, as both Jim and Brendon pointed out, the pipeline continued to be really strong, production is great. Hopefully, we see a slowdown in payoffs, but private equity continues to be aggressive, a lot of companies continue to sell, they don’t have succession plans, a lot of the commercial real estate continues to look to refinance in the secondary market. So we would like to see that slow, but short of that, we're really just focused on what we can control and that's taking care of our customers and continuing to show record production. So, that’s where our focus is, and then hopefully we’ll just see a slower level of paydowns. The other thing that hit us in the quarter, as Jim pointed out, was the lower line utilization, and so that impacted balances a little bit. So hopefully we could see that return in the fourth quarter, so that could help.

Brendon Falconer

Management

Regarding the stock buyback, it's been a good capital management tool., and while we're close to the end of our authorization, I would think we want to have that tool in our toolkit if that kind of relative value represented itself to us next year too.

Chris McGratty

Analyst · KBW.

Okay. Great. Your credit numbers are very good. Can you just provide an update on the Ag portfolio, what the, any kind of stress there -- any kind of updated thoughts?

Daryl Moore

Analyst · KBW.

Yeah, Chris. This a Daryl. Really we're going to have to get into November to really know what's going on there. First is just our farmers bringing crops in the field, but the second is the level of payments that our farmers are going to get, we’re really not going to know that for another two to three weeks, and that’ll have a bit of an impact on their strength. We’ve talked a little bit about this before, our Ag portfolio was down, most of the customers that we have in the portfolio still have adequate equity in their land. So, we’ve only got about $315 million, $320 million in Ag outstanding. So that is not a portfolio today that concerns us a lot just simply because of the size, and I don’t think there is a lot for us today given the current dynamics level off content in that portfolio.

Chris McGratty

Analyst · KBW.

Okay. Great. And maybe Brendon one for you. The tax rate in the fourth quarter the tick up that you expect, is that kind of fair for 2020 as you look into it?

Brendon Falconer

Management

Yeah, I think that's a fair number for the next several quarters, yeah.

Chris McGratty

Analyst · KBW.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Nathan Race with Piper Jaffray.

James Ryan

Management

Good morning, Nathan.

Nathan Race

Analyst · Piper Jaffray.

Good morning. Question first maybe on the securities portfolio size, obviously, some growth this quarter, just given the deposit inflows and the challenging loan growth. So, I guess from here in the fourth quarter, do you expect it to kind of be a steady state or should we expect some shrinkage as loan growth picks up and perhaps deposit growth slows, so any thoughts…?

Brendon Falconer

Management

Yeah. I think it’s a little higher. We pre-purchased, when we had some opportunities with the rate environment given some deposits and given the cash flows that are coming off that portfolio. I don’t think we'll grow it from here, if anything may come down a little bit in the fourth quarter.

Nathan Race

Analyst · Piper Jaffray.

Okay. Perfect. It’s helpful. And Jim, just on the operational review that you guys will be wrapping up shortly just I'm - just any sense, I guess at this point and I appreciate that's early in the process in terms of it's going to be more of an expense or revenue-driven exercise at this point?

James Ryan

Management

I think the beauty is we’ll benefit on both sides of that. The reality is, is that it’s a top to bottom review that we hope to deliver better client experiences on the other side of it, and I’m confident that we’ll get more efficient and effective as we just reduce redundancy and overlap, and then we will drive more revenue as a result of it too. So, it’s really on both sides of it, and it’s too early to determine how much is one way or the other, but it's definitely – we’re definitely interested in driving more revenue going forward. I think the nice side is, you’ll get a little bit of cost saves upfront.

Nathan Race

Analyst · Piper Jaffray.

Okay. Great. I appreciate you guys taking the questions.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Terry McEvoy with Stephens.

James Ryan

Management

Good morning, Terry.

Terry McEvoy

Analyst · Stephens.

Hi. Good morning everyone. Just to follow up on Nate's question. The internal review, I guess my question is, is why now as an outsider NII is going to be pressured, mortgage could be pressured next year. Is it simply there is revenue pressure and now is the time to find incremental cost to keep the efficiency ratio stable, and the efficiency ratio already 55%, very respectable, can that go lower from here in connection with this plan?

James Ryan

Management

So the why now question I think part of, why now is obviously, we’re entering a difficult interest rate environment, which is going to make net interest margin growth challenging, right, so that's part of it. And part of it, as you know I’m brand new to the seat. I think we all felt like there was better ways we can improve our client experiences. And so really the management team went off starting very early on in the year and talked about hey, are there ways we can do change to get better. And so we've been working on for the better part of the year and we’ll getting close to wrapping this thing up, but it's really been focused on just delivering a better overall client experience.

Terry McEvoy

Analyst · Stephens.

Thanks, Jim. And then my follow-up question, going back to CECL, if I look at the third quarter reserve and just add in the $34 million to $45 million relative to loans at 76 to 84 basis points. I'm just wondering, will the - do you disclose the unfunded commitment liability, will that be included in the new reserve next year. And then any other adjustments on the mark portfolio and ultimate, I'm trying to come up with the reserve to loan ratio next year and should I be adding anything to the range I came up with the originally?

James Ryan

Management

Terry, I think, I think you're on the right track. We're not disclosing the range or what the overall reserve ratio will be right now, but, your math is – of logic follows.

Terry McEvoy

Analyst · Stephens.

Okay. Thank you.

James Ryan

Management

Thanks, Terry.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jon Arfstrom with RBC Capital Markets.

James Ryan

Management

Morning, John.

Jon Arfstrom

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Hey, good morning. Question on the margin outlook. I guess you guys had a pretty good quarter on a core basis, did better than we thought based on what everybody else has been doing. But help us - I understand you're seeing some pressure but help us kind of walk through the puts and takes in terms of how you want us to think about the margin in Q4 and maybe early in 2020?

James Ryan

Management

Yeah. So I think we're going to see some asset yield compression both on the loans and the investment side, but we have - we have some levers to pull in the borrowing side, as well as deposits. We have almost 20% of our deposit book is exception price, a big chunk of that is floating. So we’ll be able to pull that lever pretty quickly. The other thing I'd just point to the premium amortization headwinds we experienced in the third quarter, not likely to repeat themselves in the fourth quarter. Just given - assuming that we don't have another 30, 50 basis point drop in long-term rates. So we feel really comfortable with the margin compression, similar to what we saw quarter-over-quarter.

Jon Arfstrom

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Okay. Good. Okay. And then couple of other things. The average new production loan size at 750. I think the point you're trying to make there, is that you’re not necessarily taking bigger swings and then it’s a granular portfolio. But just curious where you think that number could go over time or do you plan to keep it under $1 million?

James Ryan

Management

It’s definitely trending higher. As we’ve entered Minnesota, some of our newer markets. So you end up having a lot of loans on the small side and a handful loans on the larger side. It's definitely trending higher from - it was $0.5 million at one point in time. But, I don't - we don't look at it in terms of we're trying to target a specific size, but it is just a reminder that our portfolio, I think is a little different than most $20 billion banks, where I think we are still a business - our bank is just focused on medium to small size businesses and we don’t go off and do large shared national credits or big club deals for the most part. We have expected [ph] small portfolios for us. So I think we're just trying to remind everybody that I think that helps us in the future, if the markets go a lot more choppy in terms of credit quality.

Jon Arfstrom

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Yeah. Okay. And then I guess the last question, the normal seasonal patterns on fees you call it out, we understand it. And I guess the question is what are you seeing there that you just expect primarily mortgage to pull back a bit in Q4, is that the big picture message?

James Ryan

Management

Yeah, I think that's the big picture message that mortgage - I think it's still relatively strong, but it's going to return to - fourth quarter is always a smaller quarter in that business for us.

Jon Arfstrom

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Okay. All right. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

You have a follow-up question from the line of Chris McGratty with KBW.

James Ryan

Management

Hi, Chris.

Chris McGratty

Analyst

Great. Thanks. Just following up on the impact of CECL for 2020. In the slide deck you give your expectation for accretable yield contribution, it gets dropped to like $80 million bucks, historically you’ve always outperformed that because of pre-pays. How do we think about the variance to that $80 million next year, is that kind of what you're expecting given the step down because of accretion in CECL or any kind of help there would be appreciated?

James Ryan

Management

Yeah, I think that's still an accurate look based on contractual expectations, as you said, pre-pay, may result in us having a little more in 2020. I think the only CECL impact you got to be thinking about is that that market is no longer available to offset charge-offs. But we don't think that's going to be a hugely material number for us going forward.

Chris McGratty

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Kevin Reevey with D.A. Davidson.

James Ryan

Management

Good morning, Kevin.

Kevin Reevey

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

Good morning. First question is related to what percentage of your loan commercial loan book is variable. And then of that amount, what percentage of the book has floors and where are you in terms of floors on the book?

James Ryan

Management

So on the commercial side, Kevin, we're at 52% variable. We have about 11% of our loans have floors, but they are pretty far outside the money, most of the floor impact we have really through that kind of macro hedges of that portfolio.

Kevin Reevey

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

I'm sorry, you said 11...

James Ryan

Management

Total portfolio of 42% variable, Kevin.

Kevin Reevey

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

Got it. And the 11% is that - that have floors is that of the commercial book or the total book?

James Ryan

Management

So, total book.

Kevin Reevey

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

Got it. And M&A what are your M&A priorities now. Now you’ve got a nice presence in Minnesota, you are in other markets, kind of, how do you think about your M&A priorities from a geographic standpoint and then from a size standpoint?

James Ryan

Management

Yeah, I think we've been pretty public around that $1billion to $3 billion - $2 billion to $4 billion is kind of ideal size for us. And at this point we’re focusing most of our energy in footprint and markets that we’d like to continue to build scale in. There are places we're kind of sub-scale and we've got a nice toehold but it'll be nice to continue to continue to grow scale in a few of those markets. But our newest markets including Minnesota and Wisconsin and Michigan remain high priorities for us. We'd like to continue to build out parts of Kentucky, but we’ll - there is kind of limited opportunities there. But those newer markets continue to build scale and are kind of fastest growing markets are our highest priority.

Kevin Reevey

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Scott Beury with Boenning & Scattergood.

James Ryan

Management

Hi, Scott. Good morning.

Scott Beury

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood.

Hey. Good morning guys. I just had one question related to the internal review that you are doing, the kind of strategic plan you've been referring to. Does that have any impact in terms of your M&A outlook, in maybe potentially restricting - making you a little bit more cautious?

James Ryan

Management

No, no, I think it puts us and a great position to, obviously, as we continue to get more efficient, more effective and drive more revenue. I think it puts us in a better seat going forward. So no, I don't think it really changes our appetite at all.

Scott Beury

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood.

Great, great. Thank you. And then most of my other questions have been answered, but I was just curious if you could touch a little bit on growth that you are seeing in your loan portfolio or the production rather. Where is that kind of shaking out geographically across your markets and maybe if there is anything noteworthy, any thoughts on the competitive dynamics market-to-market that you're seeing?

James Sandgren

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood.

Yeah. Scott. This is Jim Sandgren. We continue to see some nice growth in a lot of our newer markets, Wisconsin, Minnesota production levels continue to be very, very strong. Littleville consistently a strong production region for us as well. From a competitive standpoint it's still pretty, pretty competitive out there, very aggressive, and it's a combination. Some of the bigger banks are moving a little bit downstream. So we are starting to see them a little bit more than we have in places like Minnesota, Indianapolis and Littleville. And then there is some goofiness, a little bit sometimes on some structure that we see in some of the smaller banks, maybe even credit unions on some real estate deals and that’s where I think we need to stay very, very disciplined. But for the most part, obviously, we can continue to grow and show strong production and just fight off the payoff. So it’s a nice mix of our markets and I think we continue to feel optimistic at this point and customers still feel a relatively good.

Scott Beury

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood.

Excellent. Thank you. That’s helpful. That’s all for me.

James Sandgren

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions at this time, I will turn it back over to our speakers for closing remarks.

James Ryan

Management

We appreciate everybody’s support and all the good questions this morning. And as always, John and Lynell are going to be available - and Brendon are going to be available for questions all afternoon. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

This concludes Old National’s call. Once again a replay along with the presentation slides will be available for 12 months on the Investor Relations page of Old National’s website, oldnational.com. A replay of the call will also be available by dialing 1855-859-2056, conference id code 1869785. This replay will be available through November 4. If anyone has additional questions, please contact Lynell Walton at 812-464-1366. Thank you for your participation on today’s conference call.