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OPAL Fuels Inc. (OPAL)

Q4 2024 Earnings Call· Fri, Mar 14, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the OPAL Fuels Fourth Quarter 2024 Earnings Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during this session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. You'll then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. As a reminder, this event is being recorded. I'll now turn the call over to Todd Firestone, Vice President of Investor Relations, to begin. Please go ahead.

Todd Firestone

Management

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to the OPAL Fuels Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2024 Earnings Conference Call. With us today are Co-CEOs Adam Comora and Jonathan Maurer, and Kazi Hassan, OPAL Fuels' Chief Financial Officer. OPAL Fuels released financial and operating results for the fourth quarter and full year 2024 yesterday afternoon, and those results are available on the Investor Relations section of our website at opalfuels.com. The presentation and access to the webcast for this call are also available on our website. After completion of today's call, a replay will be available for ninety days. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that our remarks, including answers to your questions, contain forward-looking statements, which involve risks, uncertainties, and assumptions. Forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance, and actual results could differ materially from what is contained in such statements. Several factors that could cause or contribute to such differences are described on slides two and three of our presentation. These forward-looking statements reflect our views as of the date of this call. OPAL Fuels does not undertake any obligation to update forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date of this call. Additionally, this call will contain certain discussions of non-GAAP measures. A definition of non-GAAP measures used in the reconciliation of these measures to the nearest GAAP measure is included in the appendix of the release presentation. Adam will begin today's call by providing an overview of the quarter's results, recent highlights, and an update on our strategic and operational priorities. Jonathan will then give a commercial and business development update, after which Kazi will review financial results. We'll then open the call for questions. And now I'll turn the call over to Adam Comora, Co-CEO of OPAL Fuels.

Adam Comora

Management

Thank you, Todd, and good morning, everyone, and thank you for participating in OPAL Fuels' Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2024 Earnings Call. 2024 was a strong year for OPAL Fuels that showcased our disciplined execution across our business segments and the strength of our vertically integrated platform, both key drivers of our market share gains across our segments. Results from the fourth quarter and full year were solid, with 2024 adjusted EBITDA of $90 million in line with our guidance. Our 2024 fuel station service segment EBITDA was $40.2 million, 76% higher versus 2023 and within the guidance we set out for the segment last March. RNG fuel production for 2024 was 3.8 million MMBtus, up 41% versus 2023, but slightly behind guidance of 4.0. The shortfall is mainly due to longer ramp-up timelines at our newly commissioned RNG facilities. Jonathan will go into greater detail in a few minutes on what we expect in 2025 from a production and operation standpoint. We brought online three large landfill RNG projects in 2024, totaling 3.8 million MMBtus of annual design capacity. We commenced commercial operations at Prince William in the spring, then at Sapphire in the third quarter, and finally at Polk in the fourth quarter. Since going public in 2022, we've gone from two operating landfill RNG facilities to eleven now. Over that period, we've more than tripled our annual design capacity in operation and more than doubled our production and adjusted EBITDA. Separately, we continue to execute our growth objectives by putting nearly two million MMBtus of annual design capacity into construction with the announced projects at Cottonwood, Burlington, and Kirby. All three of which showcase our ability to grow organically through new development. OPAL's growth continues to be driven by our execution in building and our vertical…

Jonathan Maurer

Management

Thank you, Adam. And good morning, everyone. 2024 was a strong year for OPAL Fuels. We're particularly pleased that we brought online three large landfill RNG projects. Prince William, Sapphire, and Polk are significant achievements. In total, they represent 3.6 million MMBtu of annual design capacity. Exiting 2024, we now have eleven RNG projects in operation representing an annual design capacity of 8.8 million MMBtu, up from 3.9 million MMBtu at year-end 2022. This represents a 50% annualized growth rate over the last two years. As Adam mentioned, production results, while significantly higher than 2023, did not meet our expectations. Year 2024 RNG production was 3.8 million MMBtu. The 2024 RNG production was affected by slower ramp-up of the newly online projects in the fourth quarter. As we move through the ramp-up period from these facilities in the first quarter, we expect to see production growth from these facilities and landfill volumes grow at our other operating facilities. We expect to see full-year 2025 RNG production to range between 5 million MMBtus to 5.4 million MMBtus, which at the midpoint is a 37% increase versus 2024. Shifting gears to our landfill construction portfolio. We put three landfill RNG projects into construction in 2024, at Burlington, Cottonwood, and Kirby, representing in aggregate 1.8 million MMBtu of annual design capacity. We now have a total of four landfill RNG projects in construction, representing 2.1 million MMBtu of OPAL's share of annual design capacity, including Atlantic, which we expect to commence commercial operation in the third quarter of this year. We have a robust development pipeline, including the four development projects we recently announced, and conversion opportunities within our renewable power portfolio. We expect to place 2 million MMBtu in construction in 2025. In fuel station services, we entered the year with a solid backlog of new stations, with forty-seven in construction, of which twenty are OPAL-owned. As Adam mentioned, we expect to grow fuel station services 2025 adjusted EBITDA 30% to 50% compared with 2024. This growth continues to be driven by our successful track record building, operating, and maintaining highly reliable stations replicating a diesel-like fueling experience, without operational disruptions. With OPAL Fuels' nationwide construction and service capabilities, we are in a strong position to partner with large-scale fleets for natural gas vehicle deployment. We're happy with where we are positioned for 2025. Despite the near-term volatility, longer-term market fundamentals are supportive of our business plan and growth, and we expect our disciplined execution will result in increasing shareholder value. With that, it is my pleasure to introduce Kazi Hassan, OPAL Fuels' new Chief Financial Officer. Kazi will discuss the quarter's financial performance. Kazi?

Kazi Hassan

Management

Thank you, Jonathan. Good morning to all the participants on today's call. Last night, we filed our earnings press release, which detailed our quarterly and annual results for the quarter and year ending December 31, 2024. Our 10-K will be filed on Monday. Revenue and adjusted EBITDA in the fourth quarter were $80 million and $22.6 million, as compared to $87 million and $32 million in the same quarter in 2023, respectively. Net loss for the quarter was $5.4 million, as compared to net income of $20.1 million in 2023. The main driver for the decrease in revenue, adjusted EBITDA, and earnings was the timing and pricing of environmental credit sales compared to the fourth quarter of 2023. For the full year 2024, revenue, adjusted EBITDA, and net income were $299.9 million, $90 million, and $14.3 million, compared to $256.1 million, $151.9 million, and $127 million in 2023. The primary reason for the decrease in net income for 2024 is related to a gain of $122.9 million recognized related to the consolidation of Emerald and Sapphire in 2023. Included in the foregoing is OPAL's share of adjusted EBITDA from equity method investments, which for the quarter was $4.2 million, as compared to $6.7 million in the fourth quarter of 2023, and the full year 2024 was $24.9 million versus $11.4 million in 2023. The reduction in the fourth quarter is a combination of the timing of last year's RIN sales and the start-up cost expense at new joint venture projects. Full-year capital expenditures were $162.3 million, including $35.2 million relating to equity method investments. I now want to shift gears to our 2025 guidance. For full-year 2025 guidance, we expect the adjusted EBITDA to be between $90 million and $110 million, and RNG production to range between 5 and 5.4…

Jonathan Maurer

Management

In closing, we are pleased with our 2024 results and are positioned well for continued disciplined execution of our strategic growth objectives. We remain committed to furthering OPAL's vertically integrated mission together with our partners, to build and operate best-in-class biogas capture and conversion projects that deliver industry-leading, reliable, and cost-effective low-carbon intensity energy products that displace fossil fuels and mitigate climate change. And with that, I'll turn the call over to the operator for Q&A. Thank you all for your continued interest in OPAL Fuels.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we'll conduct a question and answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question, you'll need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please standby while we compile the Q&A roster. And our first question comes from the line of Derrick Whitfield of Texas Capital. Your line is now open.

Derrick Whitfield

Analyst

Good morning, and thanks for taking my questions. For my first question, I wanted to focus on production guidance and evaluating your Q4 design capacity and expected contributions from projects in construction. It would appear that your guidance is quite conservative for the year. If we were to take design capacity in Q4 and assume some optimization to drop higher inlet gas volumes, maybe just speak to the trajectory that you guys would expect in Q1 and Q2 from that alone?

Adam Comora

Management

Good morning, Derrick. This is Adam here. I'll start and then maybe I'll hand it over to Jonathan. I think as we've explained and talked about in the past, we do expect increasing utilizations from our facilities. And as we build them, we're always building in that capacity for the increasing landfill gas volumes from the open landfills. And, you know, we see the year playing out with, as we're moving through some of those ramp-up issues, sequential upticks throughout the year. And I'll pass it over to Jonathan to talk a little bit more about the cadence.

Jonathan Maurer

Management

So good morning, Derrick. Again, we're gonna see continued growth from same-store sales as these open and growing landfills produce additional gas. As Adam said, the projects that we're building have a good amount of unused capacity. So what we'll see is that growth during the course of the year. One of the things that we have experienced and I expect is a part of the Q4 and as we move into 2025 is really the ramp rate that we see at projects. Ramp rate is a little bit uncertain when you get to a project. We look at kind of average ramp rates being a couple of months long, but sometimes a project will come right online and work out of the box. Sometimes a project might take a little bit longer to ramp up. We saw that in the fourth quarter with the Polk and Sapphire project taking a little bit longer than we expected. But as those projects really come to full capacity, we're actually seeing better results from them, particularly because the gas resource is somewhat higher than what we had projected or forecast. So we're really, I guess, optimistic about where we're seeing these projects and the cadence that we're gonna see during the course of the year.

Derrick Whitfield

Analyst

Great. And maybe bigger picture, for you guys, kind of from the fallout of BP's pivot and waste management situation, we could see some material projects come to market this year. How are you guys thinking about the competitive landscape from a growth perspective? And how would you pursue those opportunities from a funding perspective if they became available?

Jonathan Maurer

Management

So, you know, it's interesting that there were a number of portfolios that came to market over the course of the last year. The last one that really transacted was the Enbridge acquisition of the Morrow Renewables portfolio, which was $1.2 billion and really reaffirmed the relative value of OPAL Fuels. We look at M&A, well, our first focus, of course, is execution on the opportunity set that we have in front of us. As we're saying before, we have a great set of projects both from inside our portfolio that we're converting from our renewable power projects as well as from outside our portfolio that we're developing through the relationships that we're building with our landfill partners. So that's really our primary source of growth. But as we look across the industry, at some of the opportunities, we do participate and look at each of the opportunities that come across. We believe that we have good access to capital for these opportunities and that should, you know, one of these come across, like you said. When you mentioned BP's pivot, their pivot did not pivot away from RNG. It was really other renewables. So I'll just kind of point that out. But you're right. The WM portfolio and others were on the market. And others will likely come to market during the course of this year. And we'll be in there evaluating it and looking at the opportunities as they arise.

Adam Comora

Management

And I'll just follow-up there real quickly, Derrick. This is Adam again. You know, one thing that we have shown over the last three years is our ability to grow by securing new gas rights. And it's really driven by that ability to successfully bring online and operate those successful RNG projects and also our vertical integration to realize the most value for those molecules in transportation fuel. And I'd say, that's continuing. We think we're in a really good position to compete for new biogas rights projects. And, you know, again, that successful execution also gives capital providers confidence in working with OPAL Fuels. So we feel like we're in a very strong position to compete for some of those new business opportunities.

Derrick Whitfield

Analyst

That's great. Thanks for your time.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Blair of TPH. Your line is now open.

Matthew Blair

Analyst

Thank you, and good morning. Adam, I think you mentioned, but what about the PTC? Is there any 45Z number included in your 2025 guidance? And if not, what would it take for you to receive 45Z credits this year? And how much might that come to?

Adam Comora

Management

Good morning. Thank you for the question. I'll let Kazi answer the question on what's in our guidance, and then I'm happy to talk about the process and how we see that play out.

Kazi Hassan

Management

Good morning, Matthew. In our low end of the guidance, we actually have an immaterial amount of 45Z. On the top of the guidance, we do include an expected value, which is not also that material, but we do have a little bit on the top end.

Adam Comora

Management

Yeah. And as far as how the process is playing out on 45Z, there was a proposed rule that is seeking final comments by April 10th. We are supportive of them finalizing what was in that proposed rule. There are a few tweaks that will be in our comment letter that we think can improve some of the scoring and the value that could accrue to us. We're cautiously optimistic that 45Z will remain intact and hopeful that we'll get a little bit of an improvement in how they're doing some of that scoring and calculating that value. We think that, you know, we should get resolution of that shortly after the final comment period.

Matthew Blair

Analyst

Sounds good. And then could you elaborate a little bit more on the tightness in the dispensing market? It looks like the unit margins of your FSS segment have been moving up the past few quarters. I know there's plans to build, I believe it's twenty of your own stations, I guess, this year, plus some what looks like third-party stations as well. But, yeah, could you just elaborate a little bit more on the tightness you're seeing and is that really a function of the new Cummins engine coming to market, or are there other growth drivers as well?

Adam Comora

Management

Yeah. So a couple of things on our fuel station service segment. We're seeing good growth and good margin improvement across all the different contributors to our fuel station services. But certainly, an increasing amount of RNG through our dispensing network also benefits that segment. The tightness of the market in terms of dispensing has been occurring over the last twelve to eighteen months as RNG supply continues to grow faster than what the dispensing offtake market has been growing. And, you know, that certainly has been a result of a few things. One is the model changeover from the twelve-liter engine to the fifteen-liter engine and a slightly slower adoption than what those, you know, folks in the industry have been looking for in terms of adoption of the fifteen-liter engine both in terms of when OEMs have been incorporating that engine into their trucks, also driven by a little bit of confusing noise out of regulation where we had that phase three truck regulations that was really causing fleets to pause in terms of purchasing. You know, clearly, the EPA has been quite active, and, you know, most recently, looked to remove that stipulation on combustion engines. So we think that may be an area where fleets may be more in tune to adopting RNG or natural gas engines. And so that dispensing market, you know, has been tightening, and we do believe that there could be some acceleration in that fifteen-liter adoption now with some product availability removal of that phase three truck regulation, and we're still working on the cost of those vehicles and thinking about how to give some certain residual values of those trucks for the fleets.

Matthew Blair

Analyst

Great. Thanks for your comments.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Thomas Meric of Janney Montgomery Scott. Your line is now open.

Thomas Meric

Analyst

Good morning, gentlemen. Thanks for the time. A couple of questions on CapEx, kind of a multipart question here. But what are you seeing on equipment cost inflation at the moment? And then specifically as it relates to steel and aluminum tariffs, just can you help us think through the impact on the RNG build-out, like, a CapEx per MBTU, if you feel like that's appropriate? And then on the fuel station service side, you know, how do you see those tariffs impacting the CapEx of that build-out?

Jonathan Maurer

Management

Sure. So this is Jonathan. I'll start on this one here. First off, when we enter into construction on a project, we commit to all the equipment major equipment right out of the gate so that we don't subject existing projects to the inflation or the tariffs or anything else. Second, virtually all of our projects are qualifying for domestic content within the ITC rules. And so we don't really have a whole lot of exposure to foreign tariffs. We don't use a lot of aluminum in our projects, and we use a little bit of structural steel. And so steel prices going up will have a small effect on pricing, but not tremendous. Overall, inflation compared to what we saw coming out of the COVID era is greatly tamed. I'll just reiterate that when we do put a project into construction, we're committing to it. So we see good opportunities that meet our IRR hurdles for projects. So that will continue to be able to put more projects into construction even in the current environment. So, you know, while it is a little choppy or volatile out there, we are seeing good opportunities. And we continue to look at value engineering on our projects to keep the costs in control and making sure that our returns are solid there. I hope that answered your question.

Thomas Meric

Analyst

Yes, Jonathan. Thanks. Appreciate the detail there. One more on the EPA. Just what's a reasonable timeline on resolution of the partial waiver? If you can kind of walk through, you know, a Gantt chart of that, that would be helpful. I do just want to sneak in a third one. Appreciate it. You have just the power projects. Is there an opportunity to recontract some of the PPAs over the next few quarters, or do some of these PPAs run longer than that?

Adam Comora

Management

Yep. This is Adam here. We are advocating for resolution on that partial waiver as quickly as we can. It feels to me like the EPA, in their a few days back, that was their first focus. I think they're turning their attention to RFS now. You know, they had set a deadline in place also to come out with the next set rule in March. I don't think it's gonna happen in March. We're hopeful that we could see it in the April, May time frame. As it pertains to the partial waiver, they did come out on March 7th and extended the compliance deadline for 2024 compliance into the June time frame and did not finalize that partial waiver down when they did that. So I'm not sure if we'll see that withdrawal of the partial waiver or a potential withdrawal of the partial waiver before they set rule, or they'll do them both at the same time. But we do believe that EPA is now squarely focused on some of those RFS actions.

Jonathan Maurer

Management

And then with regard to the power projects, first off, our renewable power portfolio is a smaller contributor to our overall EBITDA. But within that portfolio, somewhat less than half of the projects are subject to merchant pricing, which gets set over periods of, you know, months or a year in some cases or two years in other cases, and that we've seen good strong merchant pricing supporting these. So that for the other part of our projects, when they roll off, we'll proactively enter into additional contracts, and we'll set the terms of those based upon what we see in the market at the time. But good pricing and I think tailwinds on those merchant pricing. Adam, did you want to follow-up on one point?

Adam Comora

Management

Yeah. One thing I'd like to talk about for renewable power is, you know, obviously, there's not been a significant growth driver of OPAL Fuels or a significant contributor to our overall EBITDA. And we still do spend money maintaining those facilities. And we really view that segment as some pretty interesting optionality both our existing portfolio operations plus a number of renewable power projects that we could develop. And, you know, at some point, you know, given, you know, what people are talking about in terms of electricity demand in the US and still trying to enhance grid stability. And we hear this all the time in DC where folks are really focused on electricity prices and where's new electricity generation can come from. We think there's a significant opportunity in this country to capture the biogenic methane molecules from smaller landfills, wastewater treatment facilities, smaller ag sources of biogas emissions. To create renewable electricity which is stable, baseload power and enhances grid stability. So, you know, initial focus right, you know, now is really making sure we get clarity and resolution, you know, in some of those RFS areas. But we do believe that electricity created from biogas is gonna be something that folks are gonna think make a lot of sense. And, you know, at some point, you know, we think we're gonna be talking about renewable power not only as an incremental opportunity for our existing portfolio but also a growth driver. And I wanted to circle back to the RFS question that you had on the partial waiver. And also the upcoming set rule. I think it's really important where, you know, we feel like the energy transition space is all getting painted with the same brush here in the capital markets. And the reality is where we sit really aligns with what agricultural biofuels are seeking. Out of the EPA in terms of a strong and relatively stable cellulosic D3 category. It's pretty interesting to us that ethanol players are now participating in the cellulosic D3 category. And they're doing it in a more meaningful way as we look out over the next twelve to eighteen months. And the renewable diesel producers, specifically, those that create the renewable diesel from soybeans, are also seeking similar things in terms of removing or withdrawing that retroactive partial waiver down of volumes. And they would also like to see strong D3 volumes and perhaps a reintroduction to cellulosic waiver credit in D5 mechanism, price cap mechanism, and, you know, we'll see, you know, how the next, you know, month or two play out on those key issues, but those could be material in terms of providing clarity to the D3 market.

Thomas Meric

Analyst

Well, thank you both for the thorough explanation. Appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Adam Bubes of Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Adam Bubes

Analyst

Hi. Good morning. Nice to see the continued strong outlook in the fuel station services segment. Can you just parse out the moving pieces driving the 30% to 50% EBITDA growth outlook in that segment? Is that margin improvement, more dispensing volumes? Any color on the underlying drivers would be great.

Adam Comora

Management

Yeah. Appreciate the question there, Adam. It's a combination across the drivers of that segment. So just a quick reminder for folks, fuel station services generates revenues and EBITDA from constructing third-party stations, from long-term service contracts which are, you know, good visible tangible growth, and dispensing volumes through our station network. And so we see the continuation of those both, you know, growing in terms of revenues and improving margins across that segment. So it's really a multi-pronged revenue growth and margin improvement.

Adam Bubes

Analyst

And then can you help us think about the build-up to the $2.60 D3 RIN price assumption for 2025? What percent of volume is locked in and at what price, and what does that sort of imply that you're selling into the spot market for the year?

Adam Comora

Management

Yeah. No. I appreciate that question. So if you'll remember, you know, one of the things we liked about a multiyear set rule where you've got visibility on volumes over three years, we were always hopeful that you would start to see trading in a multiyear way, and you could look out beyond just the current year in terms of how you would trade and transact your RINs. The market never fully developed into, you know, a three-year strip or multi-years on that. But we did start to see a little bit of trading in the out-year range. So we did transact a small amount of our RINs in November, started to in November of last year for 2025 D3 RINs. And, you know, we have been moderately active here in the beginning part of the year. So our RIN price outlook is really a combination of, you know, what was sold forward a little bit and where we see the current market today. And that's how we arrived at our $2.60 RIN price for 2025. And I would go back to those other comments on the RFS. We're still cautiously optimistic that if we and the folks on the agricultural biofuel side are effective in our discussions and advocacy, you know, we still could see, you know, prices and the market return to where, you know, where they had been like, previously over the last twelve to eighteen months.

Adam Bubes

Analyst

Great. And then last one for me. You know, nice to see the Atlantic project on track to commence operations in Q3. Can you just update us on the timing of the other three landfill gas projects, Burlington and the two with waste management?

Jonathan Maurer

Management

Sure. So as you pointed out, the Atlantic project is on track for the third quarter here. And we're excited about the, you know, the project's really shaping up well. The other projects are on track. As we move into 2026, we are looking at the first two, Cottonwood and Burlington, in the first half of the year. And then Kirby in the second half of the year. The Kirby project is being built out in California, and so it'll be a little bit longer time frame overall than the other projects. But we would look to see Kirby coming online towards the end of 2026.

Adam Bubes

Analyst

Great. Thanks so much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Pfingst at B. Riley. Your line is now open.

Ryan Pfingst

Analyst

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Can you talk about project development broadly and if you've seen a slowdown maybe in earlier stage discussions given, you know, some uncertainty related to federal incentives?

Adam Comora

Management

Yeah. So this is Adam here. No. I wouldn't say that there's been a slowdown in early development activity. We have a number of projects that we feel are actionable or close to actionable. It's really the same one-off discussions whether or not we've got, you know, partnerships and documentation around, you know, whether they be partnership agreements or, you know, the biogas rights agreement. So I wouldn't say any federal policy or that sort of thing is slowing down those discussions. You know, you have to remember, you know, these, you know, the feedstock hosts are looking to move these things as quick as they can as well, whether it's for their own environmental compliance where they're seeking to make sure that they have beneficial use of their biogenic emissions. They also recognize that there is value to those molecules in these renewable energy markets. So they're trying to move as quickly as we can. And, you know, we're not seeing a slowdown on the front end there. It's they're all idiosyncratic through documentation.

Ryan Pfingst

Analyst

Appreciate that, Adam. And secondly, I want to get a better understanding of how you're thinking about the toggle between growth and capital preservation today. At what point does it make sense to perhaps take your foot off the gas in order to let your operating assets generate free cash flow, you know, without meaningful ongoing growth CapEx?

Adam Comora

Management

Oh, that is a terrific question, and it's one that we discuss quite a bit. You have to remember that in our DNA here is disciplined capital allocation and making sure that we have terrific risk-adjusted returns, and you can be sure that, you know, the shareholders certainly appreciate that fact. And, you know, what I think we need to do a better job of explaining to investors is that we built a free cash flow machine here. And, you know, at certain points, we do have that flexibility and ability to turn off the growth engine and just create a significant amount of discretionary free cash flow. And for those new listeners who are getting up to speed on OPAL Fuels, after we build these facilities, our maintenance CapEx is extraordinarily low. And, you know, we understand that discretionary free cash flow, we're certainly gonna do that. And the nice thing about our business model is that we do have that flexibility and that ability. And, you know, we look forward to, you know, potential day. I'm looking over at Kazi here. He's been on the job for about a month. And, you know, maybe it'll be in the third quarter that we'll target it. And we're gonna do a much better job of explaining to folks what the free cash flow generation is at OPAL Fuels and what the flexibilities we have to create, enhance, unlock shareholder value with that discretionary free cash flow. And perhaps talk a little bit about our earnings per share and what it looks like, you know, where we have, you know, significant income generated, which is not getting captured in adjusted EBITDA as well. So we understand we've got that toggle and flexibility. And at the same time, we've also got access to capital to continue to grow if those, you know, projects continue to look like they're good risk-adjusted returns. So we're also in a little bit of a unique position. I talked about it earlier as a renewable fuel or energy company, you know, feel like we're not getting differentiated, and at the same time, our capital availability and what we do with the discretionary free cash flow also provides us a lot of opportunities.

Ryan Pfingst

Analyst

Great. Appreciate that detail.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Betty Jiang of Scotiabank. Your line is now open.

Betty Jiang

Analyst

Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to ask about the mix between upstream and downstream. Just looking at your guidance for 2025, and assuming a fuel station services kind of grows EBITDA by between 30% to 50% and your overall EBITDA guidance, it looks like fuel station services is growing to more than 50% of your overall EBITDA. Is this the right balance for OPAL? That share has certainly increased over time. How do you see that going forward?

Adam Comora

Management

Yeah. I just want to correct one thing there. I think from a segment EBITDA perspective, I don't think that that is maybe allocating out, you know, sort of corporate G&A and that sort of thing. But you are right that fuel station services segment EBITDA is growing faster than the rest of the company in 2025. And, really, RNG fuel is not growing as quickly this year, you know, really from that RIN price assumption between 2024 and 2025. And, of course, renewable power, we highlighted, has that $10 million decline in 2025 versus 2024. I'm gonna let Kazi step in here as well.

Kazi Hassan

Management

Yeah. So just to clarify, going forward, what you said is that 50% of the portfolio to fuel services is not there yet. If you look at it, it is a growing portion, as Adam mentioned, but it's not still 50% of the total portfolio.

Betty Jiang

Analyst

Okay. Understood. And in the fourth quarter, I wanted to ask about RIN generation in the fuel station services segment. It seemed slightly lower than normal. I think it was only around a hundred or so thousand of RINs. Was there anything specific?

Adam Comora

Management

I think we may have to get back to you on that. A hundred thousand RIN generation in our fuel station services?

Kazi Hassan

Management

Yeah. I think we're gonna get back to you on that one.

Betty Jiang

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Blair of TPH. Your line is now open.

Matthew Blair

Analyst

Hi. Thanks for taking my follow-ups. Just two quick ones. And apologies if I missed this. But is there a guide yet for 2025 CapEx? And then also, how should we be thinking about your corporate spending in 2025? I believe in 2024, it was approximately a $46 million headwind. Would that be pretty similar in 2025, or would that step up? Thank you.

Kazi Hassan

Management

Let me take the CapEx one first. Hi, Matthew. We are not guiding the exact CapEx, but we are guiding through what we are gonna put into the construction. Because the CapEx generally is more around sculpted payment to the contractors. That varies from one project to the next, so we are trying to give you an indication of where we are heading rather than a specific dollar amount.

Adam Comora

Management

Yeah. One thing we've noticed, which is actually a positive for OPAL Fuels, is that our capital expenditures on our projects came a little bit later in the projects than when the projects came online, which actually enhanced our returns and enhanced our cash flow. So, you know, we don't think it's as impactful to talk about a specific year of CapEx just because of that factor. And although I've never heard corporate G&A referred to as a headwind or people as a headwind, which is interesting. I would say that our corporate G&A will be up in 2025 versus 2024 as we continue to add to the platform here at OPAL Fuels.

Matthew Blair

Analyst

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I'm showing no further questions at this time. I'll now like to turn it back to Adam Comora for closing remarks.

Adam Comora

Management

We appreciate your taking your time and interest in OPAL Fuels. And I hope everybody has a wonderful day.

Operator

Operator

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