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Orion Group Holdings, Inc. (ORN)

Q1 2018 Earnings Call· Thu, May 3, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen. And welcome to the Q1 2018 Orion Group Holdings Inc Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. Later we’ll conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this conference maybe recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host Mr. Shane Martin. Sir, you may begin.

Shane Martin

Analyst

Thank you, Valerie. Good morning everyone. And welcome to Orion Group Holdings' first quarter 2018 earnings conference call and webcast. Joining me today are Mark Stauffer, Orion Group Holdings' President and Chief Executive Officer and Chris DeAlmeida, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Regarding the format of the call, we have allocated about 15 minutes for prepared remarks, in which Mark and Chris will highlight our results and update our market outlook. We will then open the call for questions. During the course of this conference call, we will make projections and other forward-looking statements regarding, among other things, our end markets, revenues, gross profits, gross margin, EBITDA, EBITDA margin, backlog, projections and negotiation and pending awards, as well as our estimates and assumptions regarding our future growth, administrative expenses and capital expenditures. These statements are predictions that are subject to risks and uncertainty, including those described in our 10-K, that may cause actual results to differ materially from those statements. Moreover, past performance is not necessarily an indicator of future results. By providing this information, we undertake no obligation to update or revise any projections or forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new developments or otherwise. Also, please note that adjusted net income, adjusted earnings per share, EBITDA and EBITDA margin are non-GAAP financial measures under rules of the Securities and Exchange Commission, including Regulation G. Please refer to the reconciliations and definitions, inclusive of the most comparable GAAP measures and reconciliation tables accompanying this earnings call, within the press release issued this morning. The press release can be found on our Web site at www.oriongroupholdingsinc.com. Also, for additional discussion of risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations, please refer to our quarterly and annual filings with the SEC, which are also available on the Investors section of our Web site. And with that, I would like to turn the call over to Mark Stauffer, President and Chief Executive Officer. Mark?

Mark Stauffer

Analyst

Thank you, Shane. And thanks for joining us this morning. I'd like to first thank our 2,500 coworkers for all their hard work, dedication and commitment to our Company. It’s through our combined efforts we strive every day to safely meet our customers’ needs, while working towards our strategic objectives. I'm pleased with our start to 2018. During the first quarter, we had solid execution with continued strong market drivers. While weather patterns impacted production in our Concrete segment, our Marine segment experienced solid execution. Additionally, we continue to see strong end market drivers across our business, and we continue to expect 2018 will see improvements over 2017. As we go forward, we will continue to execute on our strategy of seeking to be the premier specialty construction company focused on providing solutions to our customers across the infrastructure, industrial and building sectors, while building our market share and enhancing our operations in these areas. We will continue to look for opportunities in these areas through both greenfield and M&A efforts. As we previously discussed, we made several changes within our Marine segment during 2017 to solidify and improve our operational results, while continuing to provide high-quality services to our customers. As we saw the in fourth quarter of 2017 and the first quarter of 2018, these changes are helping to produce improved operational performance and leading to solid bottom line improvement. We have been and continue to be committed to our Marine segment and providing quality services to meet our customers’ unique needs. Within our Concrete segment, we will continue to focus on expanding our services and market share in our Central Texas Dallas-Fort Worth market, while focusing on maintaining market share in Houston. We believe there continues to be solid demand drivers for Concrete segment, and expect to…

Chris DeAlmeida

Analyst

Thank you, Mark and thanks for joining us. For the first quarter 2018, we reported net income of $4.1 million or $0.14 diluted earnings per share. These results compare to a net loss of $1.8 million or $0.07 loss per diluted share in the same period a year ago. During the first quarter of 2018, we settled on an operational legal matter that impacted our ability to win certain projects in 2017. This settlement helps recoup certain loss revenues and expenses incurred to settle the matter. Excluding the one-time other gain, results for the first quarter 2018 would have been net income of $98,000 or approximately breakeven diluted earnings per share. Contract revenues for the first quarter 2018 were $136.8 million, of which 46% came from our Marine segment and 54% came from our Concrete segment. Within the Marine segment, 47% of first quarter 2018 revenue was generated from federal, state and local government agencies, while 53% was generated from the private sector. This compares to 63% of first quarter 2017 revenues being generated from federal, state and local government agencies and $37% from the private sector In the Concrete segment, more than 75% of first quarter 2018 revenue is generated from the private sector as compared to 90% in the prior year. As we move forward, we expect to continue to see a higher mix of private sector revenues driven by the contracts we are pursuing and the overall mix of our concrete and industrial business. First quarter 2018 gross profit was $15.8 million or a gross margin of 11.6%, which compares to first quarter 2017 gross profit of $13 million or gross margin of 9.4%. SG&A expense for the first quarter 2018 was $15 million or 11% of contract revenues, which is flat compared to the prior year.…

Operator

Operator

Thank you [Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Matt Duncan of Stephens Inc. Your line is open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

This is Will on the call for Matt today. Can you touch on the other gain again and explain what that was. Seems like a big tailwind. It’s probably non-recurring in nature. So just want to better understand what’s flowing through there?

Mark Stauffer

Analyst

It is non-recurring. But as Chris said in his remarks, it’s a settlement of an operational legal matter related to data loss and market data that impacted our ability to win certain projects last year. So it’s a recovery, a favorable recovery in that matter. It helps us recoup certain loss revenues and then also the expenses we incurred to pursue that matter. So we’re very pleased with that. However, even without that, we think we had a nice quarter, nice start to the year, very pleased with where we are with respect to 2018.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I think that the SG&A expense line was better than we and others had expected. So what were the drivers behind that expense leverage this quarter? And what should we expect, I guess from a quarterly basis? Chris, you alluded to 11% for the year. But just as we go through the year, what are you expecting?

Chris DeAlmeida

Analyst

So again, the better performance this quarter was driven by bonus accruals expense, which is directly related to overall performance, which can fluctuate clearly on the performance of the company. And we do have some additional cost savings along the way. As I said, I expect it to be around 11% for the full year and I expect that to be fairly even between the quarters for the remainder of the year.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And switching over to backlog turning lower in the past three quarters, trying to figure out -- our competitors gain share on work there and margins below your return threshold. And when do you start to think that book to bill will move above that one-time work?

Mark Stauffer

Analyst

Well again there’s normal ebb and flow of the running cycles and bids. As we’ve talked about for couple of calls, we have, on the Concrete side, seeing some margin or excuse me some competitive pressure in Houston that’s impacted our win rate, some on the concrete side. But again, overall, we like the opportunities we see in front of us. We are focused on maintaining market share in Houston and adapting short-term, and we think that the short-term issue in Houston again we’re bullish on all of the markets in concrete long-term in Houston as well. Last year in 2016, we had a large project come in at the tail end of ’16, that was within backlog, did not burn much in the front half of the year last year. So that’s also -- we've got that a tough comp there on that. But where we are with backlog and the opportunities we see in front of us is we’ve got $880 some million dollars of bids outstanding, almost $0.5 billion of that on the concrete side. If we look back historically of where we are with bids outstanding, I mean we’re very pleased with that. So as we look at all of our data points, backlog, bids outstanding, upcoming bid opportunities, we like where we are. And again, are pleased with start to the year and think that we’ve got the markets in front of us to achieve our objectives this year.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And last thing from me on guidance. Is it too early to give a revenue outlook at this point? And given the strong profit start that we’ve seen, what are your EBITDA expectations. Are we still looking for the high 30s to low 40s, excluding the gain or how should we be thinking about that?

Chris DeAlmeida

Analyst

We don't do revenue guidance, so I’ll stay clear to that. I’ll let you come up with that one. On the EBITDA side, yes, we feel comfortable with the upper 30s to low 40s and that was through the one-time gain, the one-time other gain we had in Q1.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Ben Klieve of NOBLE Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Ben Klieve

Analyst

One follow up question to the legal settlement here, I am wondering if we can elaborate a bit on how this impacted your 2017 operations. And then with the some are now concluding, how will this impact 2018 operation? Is there anything that we can -- I'm trying to understand how to compare 2017 to 2018, given that this event transpired?

Mark Stauffer

Analyst

Fair question and it’s not a difficult one to answer. We definitely think it impacted opportunities that we would have otherwise had in 2017. How much of that -- it's possible some of that impact would have occurred in 2017, some of it would have occurred in 2018, obviously. As you know as the book work in or you pursue opportunities, there is a time delay between when you obtain work and execute work. Again, I’m not going to try to quantify what impact it had last year. Definitely, I think it had -- would have had impact this year. And again, we’re very pleased with that settlement. And I think that is likely shown as an operational item, because that's where it impacted it.

Ben Klieve

Analyst

And a couple of other questions; one, curious about the status of hurricane related work on two fronts. One, with the passage of the budget, do you expect any bid or proposal activity to come to light in a meaningful ways here over the next couple of quarters? And second, how have commercial opportunities come to market over the past few months?

Mark Stauffer

Analyst

Well again, as I think the opportunities related to the hurricanes from last year are playing out according to the playing book, we did have opportunities late last year, particularly survey work and some dredging work that occurred late last year Q4. We are hopeful that we’ll continue to see opportunities moving forward. There's little bit of a longer tail for infrastructure work, which is what we anticipate. We are tracking opportunities related to that. We have seen further modifications to some of our Corps of Engineers projects that will start burning as we go through the year. So we’re pleased about that, and some of that is directly related to the hurricane activity from last year on. Again, we are expecting to see, as you said, with some of the funding approved for the balance of the fiscal year, we are expecting additional opportunities to come out with respect to the Corps of Engineers work in particular that will provide additional opportunities for us, and we’re pleased about that. But again, I think it’s playing out about as expected. We typically will see survey and dredging work initially in the shorter term, which we’re seeing. And then we'll see more of the infrastructure longer term fixes throughout the next couple of years. But frankly, it’ll be additive to other opportunities that we would normally be pursuing and bidding on.

Ben Klieve

Analyst

Another question with regards to the industrial segment. With that segment in its infancy but now a couple of quarters -- a few quarters here. I am wondering to what degree you are investing in either physical assets or business development efforts that would have any impact on, any negative impact on margins given that work is being done just on a couple of awards at this point. Is there any drag on margins from that segment? Or is it still nominal at this point that it’s just not anything we should consider?

Mark Stauffer

Analyst

It’s the latter. It’s nominal, so I don’t think -- it’s not a drag. We’re being very careful about standing this up in a way such that it does -- it is not a drag. We are adding folks as we add business. And so -- and again it’s not particularly capital-intensive business that we’re pursuing -- and/or it’s utilizing assets that we otherwise already have in each of our existing segment. So some of this work that we pursue -- are opportunities that will involve; again the skill set of the existing segments; so again, not a drag at all; and again, we’re being very careful about how we stand that out to make sure that it’s additives and not a distraction.

Ben Klieve

Analyst

And then one final question for me, and I will get back in queue here. I am curious in the marine segment. If you can point to any of the larger port deepening awards coming in the market here in the next few quarters that you think are uniquely attracted to you given your geographies and asset base? Thank you.

Mark Stauffer

Analyst

Well, I think a lot of -- as we’ve said, this is the long term play out I made comments in my remarks today. The port authorities are executing on their plans in multiple phases over several years. There has been a lot of work ongoing already the last few years, which we participated in. We continue to expect to see that, and it varies from port-to-port. There are some East Coast ports that have significant deepening projects underway. We expect to continue to monitor all the opportunities that those provide along with all the other opportunities that we see from other end market drivers, and pursue those that make the most sense. So we view it as a positive. Regardless of whether or not we pursue and win any particular project or not, we view it as a positive thing for our business. And so we continue to see those opportunities. And again, we think those are going to stretch out over the next several years. And just to further specifically answer, there's nothing in particular that I would say today is, hey this is one we really want to get. We’re tracking stuff. We’re bidding on stuff. It’s providing opportunities along with all the other opportunities we see from our other end market drivers.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jon Tanwanteng of CJS Securities. Your line is open.

Pete Lucas

Analyst

It’s Pete Lucas from Jon. Just on the concrete business, you mentioned overall paying down debt is a priority, but also looking for growth in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. So fair to say still looking at acquisitions in those areas, or are you guys happy with where you are and looking to grow organically there?

Mark Stauffer

Analyst

Yes, happy with where we are, looking to go organically. We’ve got a great team in all of our areas, a great team up the Dallas-Fort Worth market. And believe that we can achieve our objectives organically, obviously, never say never, if the right opportunity presents itself, of course we would take a hard look at it. But we think we can achieve our objectives organically.

Pete Lucas

Analyst

And staying with the concrete business, any color you can give us on what the growth rate would look like without the [indiscernible]?

Chris DeAlmeida

Analyst

Keep in mind, Q1 is our seasonally weaker quarter across company, and affects both segments. We would have expected probably a little bit more margin expansion than we had. If you look at -- think of fourth quarter into first quarter, fourth quarter was impacted by -- again, weather, however, $74 million revenue in that period $3.1 million of operating income. If you look at Q1, we did a similar $74 million of revenue, and about $0.8 million of operating income. So that is impacted by both weather and some of those market depression that we saw. Overall, I would expect it probably to be 5% to 10% better have we had some of the weather.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Marco Rodriguez of Stonegate Capital. Your line is open.

Marco Rodriguez

Analyst

I had a really quick follow-up question on the concrete side of the business. You mentioned that obviously sequentially, normally you have a bit of a down quarter here, especially on the concrete side. Just wondering how much revenues you saw from TBC in the quarter?

Mark Stauffer

Analyst

We don’t split that out any further.

Marco Rodriguez

Analyst

So no organic growth figures that you can provide or anything of that nature…

Mark Stauffer

Analyst

Not really, I mean, because we don’t split that out specifically. Obviously, you’ve got a historical stuff from TBC when we took it over. But again, I think going back to Chris's prior answer, clearly on the year-over-year comparisons, we have the addition of South Texas to the business but that was offset by the things Chris was talking about, particularly the weather patterns. And I want to be very -- I talked about this on the last call. But just a tough quarter in terms the timing of front coming through, the pretty massive temperature swings that we would see week-in week-out, we had a couple of freezes, hard freezes within South Texas, are a big event for us down here. And then just the pattern of every couple of days having some rainy weather come through and then being good for a couple of days, and then coming back the rainy weather, just tough continuity for the full production in the quarter. But again, I go back to what Chris said in prior answer that factors into it. And again, certainly, the addition of Central Texas has been positive, but again offset by some of those challenges we faced in the quarter. We are starting to see weather improves, we’re hopeful that that pattern is behind us now, and we can get to more and more concrete.

Marco Rodriguez

Analyst

And then in the second half of ’17 on the concrete side at least and on that segment, there was quite some impact on the revenue side from hurricane related activity, delaying projects or what have you. Was there any of that revenue being caught up into Q1, or are you pass that?

Mark Stauffer

Analyst

Well, I think with respect to the Concrete segment, I think again to your point right there is exactly that is that. That didn’t necessarily create any new opportunities for us on the concrete side, but what it did was it just pushed everything rightwards. So obviously, in Q3 last year, we had the massive-massive impacts in Texas on -- particularly from hurricane Harvey. And then of course we went into the winter months where we’ve had this difficult weather pattern, different impacts. And then Harvey was just the total shutdown thing, and shut the jobs down for a period of time, both in terms of just securing our personnel and their families from the effect but also getting job sites dry down and being able to move around the city again to start pouring work and stuff like that. So again, just the tough weather patterns for the last few months, coming out of that, coming into the winter months, just a difficult weather pattern in the winter months, as I just talked about. So again basically shifted work rightward. Having, said all that though, again, we like the opportunities we see in front of us. Again, we’re pursuing both structural work and live commercial work. We’ve got a lot of bids outstanding, as Chris mentioned in his remarks. And we’re focused on winning that work and getting out and executing it.

Chris DeAlmeida

Analyst

And one thing I’d point out Marco is really for the entire business -- both segments, there was not a massive catch up of work in Q2. So the results that we saw in the first quarter were driven by normal operations, but not necessarily a big catch up.

Marco Rodriguez

Analyst

And last quick question, just on the industrial side, the projects that you’re out there bidding on. I am wondering maybe if you could talk a little bit the market itself. What you learned thus far from the bid markets? What might have been a little bit different than what you’re expecting? And maybe talk a little bit about how perhaps your expectations might be shifting?

Mark Stauffer

Analyst

Again, we spent a lot of time last year in 2017, really laying the ground work for this. We spent a lot of time on the business development side. Again, leveraging our existing customer relations and just really looking at projects that we would have already been pursuing, but just really only on the Marine portion of that work, the waterfront portion of that work. So we did learn some from some our bids submitted last year. We came closed on a couple of things that we didn't quite get there on, but they were great learning experiences that we’ve fine-tuned our bidding process there with respect to this type of work. So that’s what we -- to your point about the learning experience, we learned with some of the bids we did last year. But now we feel like we've got a lot of momentum with us in that area. We continue to track work, bid on work. And again, a lot of this is for customers that we already have as existing customers. And some of these things that we’re pursuing as well, there's a Marine components to it that we're pursuing. But then there’s also the more industrial off the water opportunity with it. So we like where we are. We’re starting and execute on work that to pay off from some of the stuff we did last year. And so we're pleased with where we are.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Min Cho of B. Riley. Your line is open.

Min Cho

Analyst

Congratulations on the quarter, just couple of our random questions here. First of all, can you talk about Marine asset utilization currently?

Mark Stauffer

Analyst

In Q1, it was down from where we would've liked it to be. I think some of the core work that we were hoping to get modifications on from related to hurricane work, there’s a little bit of a delay. We did some of that work in Q4. Some of it was delayed in getting modifications done to some contracts. So we didn't quite get as much utilization as we were hopeful for in Q1. I think just the results we have that we’re very pleased with in spite of that point. We had good utilization with -- around some of the other Marine asset. But now we’ve won some work in the last quarter and we’ve gotten some of these modifications done to core projects. So we do anticipate as we go throughout the next couple of quarters there’ll be some uptick in some of those asset utilizations. But overall, we are pleased with quarter but there were some assets that we would liked just been a little more utilization in Q1.

Min Cho

Analyst

Also, was there any positive impact in the quarter from the emergency dredging work that you saw in the fourth quarter following the hurricane?

Mark Stauffer

Analyst

Well, in the fourth quarter, yes, we did execute on some of the fourth quarter. We did have a higher utilization in the fourth quarter with some of those assets. There was a break, not a little bit of a break. There was a big break in Q1 where we really didn't execute on any of that in the quarter. But as we were getting some mods done and the core was also letting other projects out, so that normal and letting activity that occurs at the tail end of the year and then gets strengthened up at the beginning of year. So again, we expect to see a little bit of a benefit from that on the utilization front, going forward, in the next couple of quarters but not much of that happened in Q1.

Min Cho

Analyst

And then Mark you talked about M&A opportunities driving growth going forward. Obviously, you don’t really need that on the Marine side. And it sounds like -- on most of your Texas business, you’re pretty okay on concrete. Where are you looking for M&A opportunities? Are you looking for new geographies for concrete or just on the industrial side, if you can just talk a little bit about that M&A?

Mark Stauffer

Analyst

Well, to be clear on the model March was both greenfield and M&A. So going back to my prior answer on the concrete side of things is we don’t think we -- right not currently, we’ve got a lot of growth opportunities in front of us just on an organic basis. So we’re not necessarily targeting any M&A activity there. Clearly, we want to be -- as always, we’ll be opportunistic if the right opportunity presents itself. But I think where I could see M&A potentially occurring with the -- in the industrial space, to your point, I think on the Marine side, on the Concrete side. While it’s a possibility, it’s not necessarily something that’s a necessity to drive our strategy. On the industrial side, it’s not necessarily a necessity to drive our strategy either, but it certainly is something that we’ve got a keener eye out for as a potential to help boost our growth in the industrial space. So again, we intend to be selective, opportunistic, we’re not going to do something just do something, because we think we have a plan in place now to achieve our strategy. But we definitely -- I think that to the extent we see something and again, I’ll say this, there’s nothing -- there's no news to report today on this front. But to the extent, I think something that makes a lot of sense to execute our strategy on where that might occur, would more than likely be in the industrial space.

Min Cho

Analyst

And then just finally, the last couple of quarters, you've been talking about increased competition on the Concrete side in Houston, and your expectations to maintain share. I mean are you -- I mean if you could just weigh maintaining a share versus market opportunity in Houston. Why it is so important that you continue to maintain share if you see competition continuing to increase there?

Mark Stauffer

Analyst

Well, a couple of points; is one, because we think this is a short-term problem; and two is, it’s very much a relationship driven business. As a reminder in the Concrete business, we’re working through the general -- we’re subcontractor to the general. We want to be certain that we’re able to maintain those relationships, provide good quality service to them. We’ve got the geographic footprint in Houston to meet their needs across the market and it’s just very important I think that we continue to maintain those relationships, and provide the service to those guys. Again, we think this is a shorter-term issue. As I’ve said in my remarks, and this is not the comment related just to Concrete, it’s related across-the-board of our businesses. We believe the economic conditions are positive there is positive macro drivers. We believe that the market should recognize these positive indicators, and we react accordingly. And sometimes, we scratch our head at some of what our competitors doing with respect to pricing. But clearly long-term, we think Houston, as well as the other markets we serve is in fact on Concrete side, are going to be areas for growth, going to continue to provide us good opportunity for us. And so we view any of this competitive pressure as temporary.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I am showing no further questions at this time. I’d like to turn the conference back over to Shane Martin for any closing remarks.

Shane Martin

Analyst

Everyone, thank you for joining us on the call this morning, and we look forward to seeing everyone on the next call.