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Ouster, Inc. (OUST)

Q1 2021 Earnings Call· Sun, May 9, 2021

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Operator

Operator

My name is Rebecca and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Ouster's First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] The call is being recorded and a replay of the call will be available on the Ouster Investor Relations website an hour after the completion of this call. On the call today are Ouster's Chief Executive Officer, Angus Pacala; and Chief Financial Officer, Anna Brunelle. Before we begin the prepared remarks, I would like to remind you that Ouster issued a press release announcing its first quarter 2021 financial results shortly after market closed today. The company also published in investor presentation. You might access the materials on the Investor Relations section of at ouster.com. I'd also like to remind everyone that during the course of this conference call, Ouster's management will discuss forecasts, targets, and other forward-looking statements regarding the company's future customer orders and the company's business outlook that are intended to be covered by the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 for forward-looking statements. While these statements represent the management's current expectations and projections about future results and performance as of today, Ouster's actual results are subject to many risk and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from the -- from those expectations, in addition to any risk highlighted during this call. Important factors that may affect Ouster's future results are described in its most recent SEC reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including today's earnings press release. Except as required by applicable law, the company undertakes no obligation to update any of these forward-looking statements for any reason after the date of this call. Lastly, information discussed on this call concerning the company's industry's competitive position and the market in which it operates is based on information from independent industry and research organizations, other third-party sources and management estimates. Management estimates are derived from publicly available information released by independent industry analysis and other third-party resources as well as data from the company's internal research and are based on assumptions made upon reviewing such data and its experience and the knowledge of such industry in markets which believes to be reasonable. These assumptions are subject to uncertainties and risk, which could cause results to differ materially from those expressed in the estimates. I would now like to turn the call over to Ouster's Chief Executive Officer Angus Pacala. Please go ahead, sir.

Angus Pacala

Analyst

Good afternoon, everyone and thank you for joining us for our first quarterly earnings call. I'm excited to tell you about our record quarter followed by an update on our business and execution roadmap. I'll then turn things over to Ouster's CFO Anna Brunelle to update you on our financial performance and business outlook. To begin, I want to share us with perspective on why digital lidar is the only lidar technology capable of delivering the quality, reliability, and cost structure to enable revolutionary autonomy across industries. Today, lidar is best known for being a critical sensor for autonomous vehicles. But at Ouster, we understand that lidar is much, much more than that. It's the building block of a new world in which autonomous machines can see and understand their surroundings. Digital lidar is powering automation and everything from robots in factories, to traffic lights, and security systems. It can improve safety and save lives, drive efficiency and productivity gains and enhance sustainability. But lidar needs to be both highly performance across a wide set of criteria and also low costs enough that manufacturers are able to design it into the products that users want and can afford. Our digital lidar offers a combination of the highest performance at the lowest cost in the industry. It vastly improves upon analog technology in size, weight, form factor, power efficiency and weather durability. Our performance in the first quarter continues to demonstrate that our sensors are an ideal fit for target markets, automotive, industrial, smart infrastructure and robotics, which opens up a TAM we expect to grow to $8.6 billion by 2025. We continue to extend our multi-market presence through meaningful gains and performance due to our digital technology. And we expect to continue to scale exponentially in line with Moore's law…

Anna Brunelle

Analyst

Thanks, Angus. Before I get started, there's one administrative issue, I want to cover related to the SEC's new guidance on accounting for warrants issued by fax. We want to make clear that, we've completed our analysis of the SEC guidance impact on Ouster and our financial results included in today's earnings release, reflect our evaluation and are indicative of how we expect to account for the worst going forward. Due to the timing of our transaction with Colonnade, we are still evaluating the impact of the SEC’s guidance on Colonnade’s historical financial statements in the Form-10K. But we do not expect any determination relating to Colonnade’s historic financials to have an impact on Ouster’s financials going forward, or on what we've shared with you today. So moving on. Now, I'd like to touch on a few of the operational highlights in this slide, and what they mean for the business this year and over the long-term. We achieved a record first quarter with $6.6 million in revenue, a year-on-year increase of 187% in line with our internal estimates. I also want to reaffirm, our previously issued full year 2021 revenue guidance of $33 million to $35 million, which represents an increase of approximately 75% to 85%, as compared to prior year revenue of $18.9 million. As a reminder, we do not currently offer quarterly revenue guidance based on current customer forecasts, we do expect our revenue growth to increase in the second half of 2021 similar to the growth trends, we thought in the second half of 2020. To date, Ouster has signed 40 strategic customer agreements, or SCA, representing over $385 million in contracted revenue opportunity from just these customers alone through 2025. Angus already mentioned a handful of the companies we are working within each vertical, which…

Angus Pacala

Analyst

Thanks. Before Q&A, I want to leave you with this thought. There's no other time in recent history probably since the invention of the internet, that so many disparate industries have been affected simultaneously by a single trend like autonomy. For any disruptive technology, there's a point in time when the right ingredients, technology, market, customers and ecosystem maturity are present to create the next Intel, Nvidia, Google or Alumina. Ouster has a unique window into the future today, through our work with over 500 different customers as they deploy solutions with our digital LIDAR to bring about greater and greater levels of autonomy as your digital platform is that right technology at that right point in time to bring about the autonomous revolution. We believe that our success today is just the beginning as Ouster is really a bet on the macro trend of autonomy. Ouster is here to build the world's best LIDAR technology, combine that hardware with software to provide solutions to power revolutionary applications across industry and leverage that advantage to become the world's first category defining autonomy company. I want to thank you all for joining us today. We're now ready to answer questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. And your first question comes from Itay Michaeli with Citi.

Itay Michaeli

Analyst

Hi, great. Thanks. Hello, everybody. And congrats on the first earnings call. Maybe just kick it off with – just to clarify on the 40 SG&A is that 40 comparable to the 20 production contracts or so? I think you reported back at the Investor Day. And I was hoping you'd also commented more broadly on the overall customer funnel I think roughly 200 or so customers that were previously in the funnel, so how that’s looking today?

Angus Pacala

Analyst

Thanks for the question. So, we get a lot of questions about the customers moving towards production in that funnel, and customer counts in general. And we want to provide more transparency here, which is why we're using a metric called strategic customer agreements for that count, that all in counts of FCAs because it's a much more stringent way of defining a customer that has reached a high level of maturity that Ouster, a design piece of paper, there's a contract associated with that customer. And so our customer base absolutely has continued to increase every quarter. But we believe that SCA, sort of, much better metric because they talk less about the top of the funnel, and instead, provide that clarity on the customers that are moving towards production with the -- with these multi-year forecasts negotiated pricing. You know clearly identified products and product skews and projects that are -- that those products skews are being used towards. And so, again, we have a clear definition that we've been repeating on what an SCA is. It's a higher bar VC than any one of our peers in the industry. And yes, they are a those 40 SCAs or a superset of the 20 production wins that we have communicated back at the Investor Day. So this is a better metric, a more stringent version of just saying that we have production wins.

Itay Michaeli

Analyst

Got it? That's very helpful. And I guess -- and just on the L3 chip it's under its QUT, you've made some progress there. May be its early to ask this question, but any – may be you can share in terms of what you expect performance metrics to be, range and resolution, particularly as we kind of compare that to some of the recent, some LIDAR introductions from some of the other players out there?

Angus Pacala

Analyst

Yes, I'm incredibly excited about this the L3 chip. It's been in development for the past year. It is a major and vast advancement in the capabilities of this digital data platform. You know, we knew that exponential gains were going to continue to come. But I would say that the L3 chip is one of the biggest exponential gains in raw performance of this technology today. I think it's even bigger of a jump than our L1 to L2 chip. As it relates to specifics on the performance criteria, you know, that's something that we want to keep close to the chest as a competitive advantage. We're not going to pre-release specs on our products as a as a policy, as a company, but I can tell you that is, it is the most significant jump in technology and capability today at Ouster.

Itay Michaeli

Analyst

That’s great to hear. And then just lastly, I think, Angus you mentioned the salesforce grew at least 50% this quarter. Any target you can share in terms of kind of where you expect that to be by year end?

Anna Brunelle

Analyst

Yes, I can help with that one. You know, I think, as you know, we're guiding the revenue and gross margins. But I do think it's really important to point out that, you know, as we completed this merger or transaction, we had about 160 employees, which is, many fewer than our competitors. And so we feel we've been, very efficient with the capital that we, deployed developing our business to-date. But that being said, I'm expecting to see a step-up in terms of operating expense as we go after the three initiatives that we talked about, both when we were doing the merger transaction with Colonnade, and then again today, which is, growing our sales and marketing team, investing in software, and investing further in R&D that shortened chip cycle time. And so, you know, all of those initiatives with 160 employees, I think you can model a pretty significant jump there ramping throughout this year is we're able to hire more folks to help us with those initiatives.

Itay Michaeli

Analyst

Great. That’s

Angus Pacala

Analyst

I’d just point out. No, I just point out that we're incredibly happy to have Nat Dickerman, joining the team. You know, what he's been able to build is kind of – is concept of a commercial engine that has incredibly high throughput and efficiency. Is something that he's applied at his past positions at Planet Labs, Autodesk, and IBM. And, you know, he is the top commercial leader at Ouster. And we’ll be continuing on the momentum of hiring across all of our regions. And allowing our teams to get more and more focused on the end use cases vertical by vertical to be more specific and selective and targeted in how we sell, so incredibly pleased to have him. It's a very significant addition to our executive team.

Itay Michaeli

Analyst

That's all. Very helpful answer. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Richard Shannon with Craig-Hallum.

Richard Shannon

Analyst · Craig-Hallum.

Great, thanks Angus and Anna, congratulations on your first conference call as a public company.

Anna Brunelle

Analyst · Craig-Hallum.

Thank you.

Richard Shannon

Analyst · Craig-Hallum.

Welcome. On the SCAs here, maybe just a couple of digging in here a little bit here. By the description in your press release, some of the revenues in here are binding versus forecasted. Can you give us a sense of how much of that or any kind of rough percentage what is binding are?

Angus Pacala

Analyst · Craig-Hallum.

Sure. Yeah…

Anna Brunelle

Analyst · Craig-Hallum.

Hey, you are going to take the first or you want me to jump in?

Angus Pacala

Analyst · Craig-Hallum.

Yeah, let me just give the overview. So as a reminder, the vast majority of the terminology that we're using is contracted revenue opportunity, right, indicating that this is a non-binding opportunity. There is binding component in all of these – in some of these contracts, but not all. But the commitment is clearly defined through a multi year forecast, again, which I would in some cases has a binding component, in some cases does not. And that's relatively standard for the automotive industry, the industrial industry, basically all the verticals that we serve. And it's really the commitment that is embodied in these contracts. It is really multi-year process that is required to reach a volume production. So the certifications required and the investment on the customer side and on our side as governed by these relationships. That is the binding. I mean, that is the representation of the commitment from the customer. And what is the sticking part of this. Again, I think that is far more important than a binding component at this stage, and we expect that to remain the case for years to come, given that even major automotive maker, automakers contracts are not binding commitments. When you enter an agreement for series production, there is a pre-production stage, where there's commitment around the non-recurring engineering required to reach series production, but the actual series production is a non-binding commitment. And so we're just following that and same, that same framework for these SCAs.

Anna Brunelle

Analyst · Craig-Hallum.

And I would add to the Angus’s saying really quickly here too, a little bit more detail, which is, you know, these SCAs, they're for specific product applications. And we don't then impute that we're going to win other products in the future with the same customer, though, of course, we may very well. These are situations where the customer is issuing purchase orders. So it's not, you know, a future thing that is not happening today. And we have agreed upon volume pricing. So we've negotiated pricing over a period of three to five years, depending on the term of the SCA. And their customer-driven forecasts for those three to five years that they'll be updating quarterly. And then on top of that, if the customer only gets a three year forecast, we did not impute any additional revenue from that customer in years four and five. So obviously, we would expect that to come. What we're trying to do here is, give you guys an insight into what's happening in our business now, not kind of a top of the funnel five year sort of view, but what's really happening in the business in the more immediate term. And I think, this is a really good way of giving you guys a better feel for how customers are moving through the funnel and into production. And so we're really excited to be able to report this way.

Richard Shannon

Analyst · Craig-Hallum.

Okay. So that is helpful. Thanks for that detail. Just another quick way to think about your SCA pipeline here, any ways that you can help us think about the end market contributions here? You already gave us some details within the presentation, as well as in your prepared remarks. We could probably guess it the only way you help us to think about this. And I think you have given the question that I get about Ouster, particularly related to automotive, and I guess I'd probably include long-haul trucking in that in any way you can characterize how much of that is -- what percentages in that area?

Anna Brunelle

Analyst · Craig-Hallum.

Yeah. Yeah, Richard, I think how we think about it is, last year, automotive was about 30% of our revenue. And so we expect that similarly this year the non-automotive markets are developing well, and so we expect that we'll continue to see more of our revenue in the next few years coming from the non-auto market. But don't want to push your attention away from auto, I mean, auto was 30% of our revenue last year. And as you saw in many of the anecdotal customer information that Angus gave in his script, we're performing really well in the auto space also.

Angus Pacala

Analyst · Craig-Hallum.

To give a little more color there, and it basically the SCAs, were converting large numbers of our customer base to this contracted framework. And so we expect that the SCA contribution will near our revenue contribution by vertical. That is to say it's a roughly equal contribution by vertical to our revenue and we expect that in our SCAs as well.

Richard Shannon

Analyst · Craig-Hallum.

Okay, great. My last question here. And I may have missed the exact phrasing used in this, I know you talked about tripling the sensors. And I don't know if that was a demand or a capacity or supply commentary. So could you repeat that and help and maybe I'll have a follow-up on that. Just to make sure, I'm getting that right.

Anna Brunelle

Analyst · Craig-Hallum.

I'm not sure what you're referring to in terms of tripling, if you're talking about capacity, like we saw a 60% increase in capacity in Q4. And we're growing our capacity in 2021, in line with our revenue needs, because obviously, we don't want to produce so much that we're kind of holding on to excess inventory. But I think that the reason we gave that statistic was to give you confidence that we were able to produce the units with our outsourced manufacturer benchmark in Thailand that we need to produce to support the growth of our company.

Richard Shannon

Analyst · Craig-Hallum.

Okay.

Angus Pacala

Analyst · Craig-Hallum.

Yes. That -- the tripling is the full year numbers. So you're correct. We're on track to triple sensor production for the full year to meet the demand versus the previous year.

Richard Shannon

Analyst · Craig-Hallum.

Okay, perfect. That's what I need to know. That is all for me guys. Thank you.

Anna Brunelle

Analyst · Craig-Hallum.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Blayne Curtis of Barclays.

Blayne Curtis

Analyst

[Indiscernible] first quarter. Maybe first question, just curious your last couple quarters, it's been product revenue, I think long-term you're looking for a software component. I think maybe you had some service revenue in the past. Maybe just I was curious, how you looked at that software opportunity, and when that might start to flow into the model?

Angus Pacala

Analyst

Absolutely. Well, it's already in the previous model that we provided is has a 25% software contribution by 2025. And we see the software offerings contributing kind of gradually with time, linearly increasing the time. And that's just because we have so many end use cases and customers that we can go out and provide value add software to that, there's no single piece of software that we're planning on providing to the entire market. There's really three different areas, whether it's developer tooling, middleware and intelligence capabilities or complete solutions. Those three buckets, we're planning to offer to each one of our verticals eventually. And it's a linear ramp from nothing today to 25% in the future for that. So we previously provided that, and I hope that should answer your question. Anna, I don't know if you have anything else to add there?

Anna Brunelle

Analyst

No, I think you've covered it. I mean, we did talk a bit about software as we went through the pipe process, and those details [ph] were, of course, part of the SEC filings. And I'm sure you've all seen them. So, we're still planning to move forward with those projects. And they are budgeted in our office for this year.

Blayne Curtis

Analyst

Thanks. I guess I was just curious, if you provide in this fiscal year, whether you expect software to be a few years out before that starts to be triggered?

Anna Brunelle

Analyst

Yeah, as previously, we said ramping to 25% with nominal contributions this year. So I said, we're thinking it'll start to contribute next year.

Blayne Curtis

Analyst

Got you. And then I want to ask from the FDA, a huge pick out between the end of 2020 and I was just curious, the catalyst for that was it just the timing of when the designs that you started to sign these agreements, or was it influenced by the stock process where you're not yet a public company? Can you just walk us through why the FDA had been planned at such a pace over the last quarter? And then as you look at the 500 customers, obviously, there's a pipeline here. I'm just curious, think about just the pace of the signings as you missed this fiscal year?

Angus Pacala

Analyst

Sure.

Anna Brunelle

Analyst

Yeah. I think -- go Angus, I’ll follow up.

Angus Pacala

Analyst

I got it. Yeah, no, I can't stress enough how important this progress in SCAs is, we're really at a tipping point, where we're starting to convert large numbers of our customers who have been with us, in some cases for multiple years to these contract-based engagements. It's a major initiative that we've undertaken in the last, basically two quarters. And again, I think it's going to a number of different things, why we're starting to see some success. But I think there's momentum that we have in record revenue that we're having, the growing opportunity, customer counts, and the improving product portfolio that we have versus our peers. So we're really poised to continue to accelerate that -- putting those customers under contract. But this is an initiative that we've started to undertake only recently. So the goal is to put existing customers under contract, some of which we've been engaged with for years, but now we have much, much better visibility, and much more confidence, and then remaining with us extremely sticky long-term, while also pursuing new customers that were engaging under contract. So this is a strategic addition or strategic shift for how we work with customers on a go forward basis, and, yeah.

Blayne Curtis

Analyst

Great. And then maybe just finally, if you could talk about the visibility you have, maybe for the fiscal year, how far does that extend out? Obviously, that's a test of volume. So I'm just curious in terms of what your typical lead times are?

Angus Pacala

Analyst

Is this a question on the lead time on seeing orders come in?

Blayne Curtis

Analyst

What's your lead times typically are and where you're -- how far your order book extends out through this fiscal year?

Angus Pacala

Analyst

Sure. So lead times on shipping as well. So I guess, in each of these SCAs, there is at minimum, a three year forecast. And one of the requirements of putting a customer under contract is that they are indeed a customer. They have placed TOs and received sensors. And so I would say in every case, the customers that – these are already customers, they're already making sensor purchases, and we're seeing the benefit this year that's for sure. Now, I think in every case, there is volume for ample time, and but yes, the benefit is immediate.

Blayne Curtis

Analyst

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Tristan Gerra with Robert W. Baird.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Robert W. Baird.

Hi. This is Justin [ph] online for Tristan. Still back on the customer agreements, I'm wondering how's exclusive mostly your multi-year lidar agreements are? And does the exclusivity different depending on the end markets you serve, specifically in the case of trucking? I think I spoke to you on competitor, have mentioned agreements with Dimer? And then, I have a follow-up. Thank you.

Angus Pacala

Analyst · Robert W. Baird.

Yeah. And tackling that last part first note, I think that that highlights in the care of Dimer highlights the fact that there is – there are multiple lidar sensors that are needed across a wide swath of our customer base. And we're able to, unlike any other lidar provider, offer that the most complete set of lidar sensors to – to the market to hit the most needs and use cases. So in the case of Dimner, yes, we're providing some of the lidar sensors, not all of the lidar sensors, but a customer like plus, we're providing everybody's sensor on their robot trucking and truck. And so and I would say that, that that lidar example is more the rule than the exception. We commonly inhabit the majority, if not all of the lidar sensors on the customer's platform, another great example May Mobility before lidar sensors on their vehicle. So, exclusivity is built into some SCAs, but there's not a requirement for us to sign an SCA with a customer. But you know, in cases where there is exclusivity, perhaps we're achieving that through some sort of agreement on the pricing, or other terms that lock in that customer. So it's – it's an option, but not a requirement. But again, nearly qualifying our sensors being a first mover in this space with sensors that hit the real needs of a production deployment for instance, like that, plus, where we have the best most reliable highest resolution and low most affordable sensors for that use case. They are moving forward with us as a first mover qualifying that system over the course of multiple years. And, you know, in their case, they've been running our sensors for over a year now. So there's a massive amount of inertia and momentum at these customers to qualify our sensors, and not others. So there's a real barrier to entry there. And I think stickiness that despite the fact that in some cases there is not exclusivity, per se.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Robert W. Baird.

Got it. That makes sense. And my follow-up, I understand your ES2 solid sensor is still in development. But how have you guys been sourcing customer interest for that sensor before volume production in 2030? Thank you.

Angus Pacala

Analyst · Robert W. Baird.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's not difficult to find customer interest. The entire automotive industry is based on this premise, this need for multiple, multiple sensors – multiple solid-state sensors around the vehicle. And the example in the remarks that we receive are accuse from automakers for short, medium and long range lidar. There is a – there is an inherent need for those three types of lidar sensors. And only solid state digital water can actually address the three different the varying needs of those three different types of sensor simultaneously. So, that's virtually unanimous consent in autos, and automotive that multi sensor suite is required. And we see it there. And another example being the golden Goldman Sachs report that we referenced, saying, predicting that by 2025, 20 million cars effectively will require three to six lidar sensors, each on those vehicles, again, just highlighting the multi sensor needs of the industry. So, there's an immense focus on sourcing multiple different lidar sensors, and we're in contact with all of these potential customers on that basis, given how consolidated the auto industry is.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Robert W. Baird.

Okay. Thank you, Angus.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Joseph Osha with Guggenheim Partners.

Joseph Osha

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners.

Hello there. Hope everyone's doing well. Just a couple of questions -- just following on from the previous one, can we assume that this-- these 40 SCAs and the 385 million consists largely of spinners, and then anything that comes out of a different architecture or kind of has yet to show up in that FDA number? Is that a fair assumption?

Angus Pacala

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners.

That's absolutely right. Because again, one of the requirements is that these are current customers. They have purchased sensors and received those sensors, so, only for products that we have in hand.

Joseph Osha

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners.

Got it. Now shift gears a bit. Obviously, it's not a very good environment for people trying to source integrated circuits. I'm wondering, how that process has been for you on the CMOS part. And then also, I know on that you've probably got some other power I sees in the spinner. So I'm just wondering, if you can comment on how that process is done.

Angus Pacala

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners.

Yeah, for sure, we're getting this question all the time. And I think, first of all, I hold weekly meetings to track the supply chain, for the balance of system. But importantly, we produce our core chips. The lidar chipset is a fully custom design, and we have a lot of control over that supply chain, and we hold safety stock and wafers. So, I don't foresee any issue with sourcing the core components, the pixels, the SOC for devices. On the balance of system, there's much more competition, there's actual competition for those parts. But we hold weekly meetings, making sure that we have profitability of supply. And we don't perceive any problem with a lack of supply and ability to ship to our targets this year. So, it's absolutely an -- it's something, you know, immense focus internally for the company. But at this point, we don't foresee any issue in the supply chain.

Joseph Osha

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners.

Okay. And that would extend to I assume, as you rev the SOC, you're probably also moving to different design rules, and that, obviously, things are tight there. So as you look forward, are there any challenges on that front? You try and drive? I don't know what design robot parts on offhand.

Angus Pacala

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners.

Yeah, the only challenge there would be time fab loading impacting production timeline. So it's not that we wouldn't be able to produce the chips, but just that it would take longer to produce the chips, if tubular fab is loaded. So far, we haven't -- we haven't seen that, we're not going to beat our -- we're certainly not going to beat our timelines. But we're still tracking to our timelines for our product rollouts. But yeah, that is certainly a concern of fabricating to get higher than we could be delayed in a product rollout, a new product rollout.

Joseph Osha

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners.

Sure. Sure with that. That certainly makes sense. And then on automated, interesting comment, I'll let either of you respond to the observation that you want to keep your sort of strategic options open without tipping your hand too much. Are there any particular skill sets or things that you see that might be desirable as you look around the market? Liquid Crystal Metasurface?

Anna Brunelle

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners.

Before Angus answers the question on what he might find desirable. I just want to throw out there, we do not currently have anything contemplated that comment was not to give you guys a tip. It was more just in the light of -- letting you all know that we think we have enough cash on hand to get to our EBITDA breakeven points. But with that being said, I'll turn it over to Angus to answer the question, as you know, if there was something that he hadn't had that desire to add to our team, what would it be?

Angus Pacala

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners.

Yeah. I think if there were an opportunity, I would as a precondition you need to be small high performing teams, we're not looking to merge with a major, some large company or anything like that. And I would say that, we're very confident in our hardware roadmap, and our and our technology set, and do not feel the need to augment our hardware roadmap with additional IP or different product lines or technology. We think -- we truly think we can address all of the market needs with a digital lidar platform that we already have commercialized. So anything that we would do in the space would be more focused on kind of the ecosystem and kind of peripheral capabilities that we can offer alongside the digital lidar hardware that we're providing today.

Joseph Osha

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners.

Okay. Well, thank you very much. I appreciate it.

Angus Pacala

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Michael Filatov with Berenberg.

Michael Filatov

Analyst · Berenberg.

Thanks for taking my question. Just got -- actually two questions. One quick one. On the non-contact footprint that you guys use, do you have a patent on that? And if so, I'm kind of curious, is anybody else in the industry currently use something similar?

Angus Pacala

Analyst · Berenberg.

, : And I think there was an interesting report from patent insights, which you can find online that highlighted that Ouster has one of the most strategic and comprehensive patent portfolios of any lidar manufacturer in the industry today. So I encourage you all to search the patent insights, a lot of reports that they just released a couple months ago, as it highlights exactly what I'm saying.

Michael Filatov

Analyst · Berenberg.

Great. And just one follow up, because you mentioned a couple times in the call, I hear you that, OEM like the source, sort of multiple sensors within a modality, right long range, short range, medium range, but I suppose in my experience, millions on the talking to, it tends to be -- the concept seems to be one long race facing lidar for Level three, or maybe even LP plus, but never multiple lidar sensor for surround view, may have generally its reliance on cameras and radar. So, I'm curious I know that there's a trade-off, particularly with your sequential flash lidar of range and in field of view, right, so if you were to get sort of forward long range -- provide a forward long range lidar sensor, which you have to have multiple of your lidar sensors, how many would be for forward long range object detection and then how many would you have surrounding vehicle?

Angus Pacala

Analyst · Berenberg.

Yes, so we absolutely believe that we need just one forward-looking at long range LIDAR, which again highlights the point that there is more volume to be had -- more opportunity, if you can supply the entire system, given how many other lidar sensors, we expect -- and I think others expect there to be on the vehicle. I think it's not true that automakers are only sourcing vehicles with a forward-looking LIDAR and cameras, I think what you're seeing is that that is a limited L3 system. So, there may be there may be initial L3 systems, where the car is only capable of providing for direction L3 capabilities, basically following a car and not making any turns or lane changes or maneuvers. And so what we're highlighting is that in order to achieve the full suite of L3 capabilities, which means hands-free and high-speed driving, including making lane changes, moving to stop signs, merging and actually in the highway, and making any turn or movement that isn't in the forward direction, you must have redundant lidar sensors positioned around the vehicle to look in the direction that you want to travel. And so that's where we're differentiating is being able to provide that complete suite of lidar sensors, not to mention that we're offering it at a fundamentally lower price point than our competitors. And just looking at us offering a complete suite for $1,000 when our competitors are talking about a single forward looking lidar for $1,000. So, entering the market, fundamentally lower price points, we're not saying we're not going to build a forward looking high performance data that's absolutely part of this suite. But it's just one -- it's a minority of the total opportunity.

Michael Filatov

Analyst · Berenberg.

Sure, and sorry, just one quick follow-up, I mean, I believe was referenced before as well Daimler, for instance, you have multiple lidars hours on sort of that program -- trucking program and I assume the other reference moving offered spacing long range sensor, but I'm on plus AI, for instance, you said, you're basically the only lidar supplier. For the forward facing lidar long range object detection, what is the range that you're achieving for that particular program? And what's the trade off in the field of view?

Angus Pacala

Analyst · Berenberg.

Well, that's a great example, actually, because in that case -- and you can watch the plus video that we released onto YouTube, as publicly available, where they talk about it being more challenging the fast lane change maneuvers and merging and exiting are more challenging in their use case than the forward-looking long range application where they feel they can use only cameras and radar and don't need necessarily a long range lidar. So, they view the lidar -- the wider field of view lidar that are mounted on the sides of the vehicle, that are protecting against fast lane change maneuvers and cars, kind of sideswiping and things like that, those are more critical and it's a harder challenge for a large vehicle like semi. And the semi has so much forward momentum that a long range lidar is not really going to provide the benefit that's needed. They need to see much, much further and feel that they can do it with cameras and radar and that they have to solve that and view it as easier challenge then the fast side-to-side multi-verse. So just highlighting that our customer that's truly moving into production has a very different view of what the hard challenges are after literally years of on road testing.

Michael Filatov

Analyst · Berenberg.

Understood, Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

And your last question comes from Jay Van Sciver with Hedgeye.

Jay Van Sciver

Analyst

Great. Thank you so much. And thank you for the transparency on these SCAs. I'm wondering, can you give us a timeline for a customer coming to Ouster to buy by RFP to getting one of these SCA sign to actual revenue recognition. And how much of that growth is just limited by the size of your sales force?

Angus Pacala

Analyst

Yes. So the time -- so at the point that we signed an SCA, a precondition is that we have generated -- our customers generate revenue. We have shipped [indiscernible] sensor. We are not going to report on any -- we're not going to count any customer as under SCA, if they're not truly a customer, while we have shipped the sensor and by that condition, we have generated revenue. That time, I would say, spend anywhere from three months to 18 months, with probably the average being somewhere between six months to 12 months. And plus is another great example here where they have our systems, our sensors on their system for 12 months approximately before moving forward with the in SCA. But I would say that back to this concept, we really are at a tipping point where more and more customers are willing to commit to our platform because of the maturity of our products, the benefits of our products, and the confidence they have in as a public company with a significant balance sheet at this point. I think what you said a tipping point where maybe we'll see those timelines shortening from six months to a year to maybe three to six months going forward.

Jay Van Sciver

Analyst

Great. Congrats on your first call.

Anna Brunelle

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And now I’ll like to turn the call back over to Angus Pacala for closing remarks.

Angus Pacala

Analyst

Thanks. Well, I just wanted to thank everyone, our employees, customers and shareholders who are on this journey with us. We're excited to be a public company. And we look forward to providing the market with timely and transparent updates about the state of our business and we appreciate everyone that joined us for the call.

Operator

Operator

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