Look, I think probably what you end up with is it goes in the same way. I mean, people get comfortable with the status quo and a lot of companies have kept themselves short, right, because they think they could always find a ship. And, but you get an environment that's going on right now and it's not that easy. And if you have an old, let's say, if you're a commodity trader, whatever the commodity is and you are short on the freight, then you're in a world of hurt, right. I can give you one example of this big aluminum company that they run things in one of their trades, and they've always managed in recent years to get what they wanted. So they kept themselves that way. And now it's going to cost them $25 million or $30 million extra for ocean freight. That's what's going to happen this year. And so you can multiply that because that's what's going on and if you have, again, a go back to people like the grain companies who are basically their traders in the end, in the trading paper positions, and their makeup is set, they're short by nature of tonnage, and they try to work around it. But then you double down and not only you have your own short position, then you have additional cargo you've taken on at terrible rates. So, it's like turning around a supertanker when you're really on the wrong side of it, you can't, it's hard to be nimble. We -- our structure allows us to be to be pretty nimble, and take advantage of these things. But yeah, there are a whole lot of people that were short, that have to change their position. And it's good for the general shipping industry, it's good for the commodities that have all risen if we look at the price of iron ore, China, it's double what it was, and so on and so forth around the world. You also come to a situation now where are you going to have inflation, that's always a good thing for shipping. And that could take place I mean, I think they would like to have that happen, because you can pay back your debt in cheaper dollars. But, all the things are lining up together. For a better market for the foreseeable future. And just one final point is if you wanted to build a new bulk carrier, talk about 2024 because the container ship guys have a lot -- have ordered so many ships to be built and I'm not an expert in that market but that's what they've done. It's better for the shipyards to do more complicated ships, they make more margin. So if you want to actually build a ship, a bulk carrier, it's going to be a long time before you get one. So that is also going to help the balance of supply and demand.