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PAR Technology Corporation (PAR)

Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Sat, Nov 7, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the PAR Technology Corporation fiscal year 2015 Third Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions] And as a reminder this conference call is being recorded. I’d now like to turn the conference over to Chris Byrnes, Vice President of Business and Investor Relations. You may begin.

Christopher Byrnes

Analyst

Thanks Latoya and good morning, everyone. I’d like to welcome you to the call today for PAR’s third quarter 2015 financial results review. At this time I want to remind participants on the call today that we recording the call this morning and it will be available for playback. Also we are broadcasting the conference call via the World Wide Web as well. So, please be advised if you ask a question it will be included in both our live conference and any future use of the recording. Participating on the call with me today is PAR’s CEO and President, Ron Casciano; and Mike Bartusek, the Company’s Chief Financial Officer. Today’s call may include forward-looking statements that reflect management’s expectations based on currently available data. However, actual results are subject to future events and uncertainties. The information on this conference call related to projections or other forward-looking statements may be relied upon and subject to the Safe Harbor statement included in our earnings release this morning and in our annual and quarterly filings with the SEC. I’d now like to turn the call over to Ron Casciano for the formal remarks portion of our call, which will be followed by General Q&A. Ron.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Thank you, Chris. Good morning everyone. As always we appreciate your participation today. This call will focus on our third quarter results and our announcement today that we have sold our hotel, technology business PAR Springer-Miller systems. After my formal remarks on our performance in the quarter and the divesture by Bartusek our CFO will provide more extensive review of our third quarter financial performance. To begin after a lengthy and thorough review of strategic, options of our company to unlock shareholder value. This morning we announced that we had divested PAR Springer-Miller systems Inc to an affiliate of constellation software for $16.6 million with a possible addition of $1.5 million at certain financial targets are achieved. Although we have seen progress in new product development that was a prevailing sense and evidence in the lack of market demand by hotels of our cloud based property management technology. We’ve come to the conclusion that our company means to focus upon our core businesses to be successful for the long term. By sharpening our efforts on our strength and retail restaurants and government businesses, PAR is better positioned to introduce new value-added solutions and deliver higher operating margins. We are excited about this opportunity to focus on our core strength and drive profitable growth. The sale also provides a company with the financial flexibility to address future requirements and opportunities involving both segments and will immediately strengthen our balance sheet. Now turning to our results for the quarter, this morning we announced that the company reported third quarter revenues from continuing operations of $58.1 million compared to $52.6 million in the third quarter last year a 10.3% increase. On a non-GAAP basis PAR reported net income from continuing operations of $1.7 million or a $0.11 earnings per diluted share in the…

Mike Bartusek

Analyst

Thanks Ron and good morning, everyone. Product revenue in the quarter was $24.4 million, an increase of $2.9 million and a 13.6% compared to the third quarter of 2014, during the quarter the increase in revenue was driven by multiple sources, regions and product lines. Highlights for the quarter includes strong growth within the company’s international markets noting a 24.6% increase over 2014. The company’s domestic operations accelerated deployments to a large new Tier 1 customer. The majority of the increase within the PARs international markets was driven by the company’s largest global customers as they continue to upgrade their technology platforms. Service renege was higher during the quarter generating a $11.6 million versus a $11 million in 2014 noting 5.5% growth. The increase in revenue was primarily driven by sales of software related services associated with the company’s Brink and PixelPoint software solutions, in addition service revenue generated by the company’s hardware repair center has increased compared to prior year driven by a higher volume of contract. The company’s recurring revenue base represents both hardware support and software related service contracts. Software related service continues to grow driving a 10% increase in revenue on a sequential basis and over 20% for the year. Overall recurring revenue represents 21% or $7.7 million of total hospitality revenue during the quarter. Contract revenue for our government business was favorable year-over-year increasing $1.9 million or 9.5% to $22 million from $20.1 million in the third quarter of 2014. The increase from Q3, 2014 is mostly due to activity within the companies ISR contracts. Contract backlog continues to be significant noting total backlog of over $98 million as of September 30. Product margin for the quarter was 28.6% versus 34.5% in Q3, 2014. The decrease in product margin percentage primarily relates to a large…

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Thank you, Mike. In summary we are making strong progress in our businesses with new customer and contract wins and those efforts are now showing up in our results. Our new business pipeline is growing with customers adopting our hardware services and cloud software offerings. With our recent divesture of our hotel technology business along with the sustained momentum within our core businesses the entire PAR team is focused and committed to maximizing shareholder value. We are embarking on an exciting new chapter in history of our company and look forward to updating you as we progress and work to close the fourth quarter and set up a strong fiscal 2016. As always we want to thank our employees for their dedication, focus and hard work as they strived to achieve our performance goals. With that we’ll be pleased to take your questions. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question is from Anthony Hammill of Broadview Capital Management. Your line is open.

Anthony Hammill

Analyst

Good morning gentlemen and congratulations on everything that’s quite a lot of good news in one morning, so let’s just start with the divestiture and congratulations and thanks to you guys and to the Board for embarking on this, can you talk a bit about the process, was this an inbound inquiry from Constellation or was this a process that you embarked on either on your own or with the help of advisors, may be you can just tell us as much as you can about when this started, how it happened and what if this is a process what else maybe on the table?

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Sure Anthony and good morning to you. Anthony, as you know we started the process as we continue to update our strategy and did a strategic review of all our businesses with the Board as we do on an ongoing basis, we use outside financial advisors in part to help us with reaching our decision and then we hired an investment banker Houlihan Lokey to go out and test the waters in the market and to gauge the interest and we ended up doing the deal with Constellation.

Anthony Hammill

Analyst

Right. And was Houlihan Lokey simply with selling Springer-Miller or they given a broader mandate to consider strategic alternatives?

Ron Casciano

Analyst

The scope of the mandate was just on the hotel segment.

Anthony Hammill

Analyst

Very good, okay. And when did that start in terms of when were they first engaged?

Ron Casciano

Analyst

It was the marketing effort started earlier this year.

Anthony Hammill

Analyst

Earlier this year. Okay.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

So it’s an extensive process and concluded yesterday.

Anthony Hammill

Analyst

Right. And so that has closed meaning the check is in the bank, the firms of the earn out just call it earn out, what’s the timeframe there and is there any way you can handicap the likelihood of extra cash coming in?

Ron Casciano

Analyst

The $1.5 million earn out begins in 2016 it’s $500,000 a year for three years based on certain financial targets.

Anthony Hammill

Analyst

Okay. And then anyway you can say if that’s a high likelihood, if high earnings gone in or?

Ron Casciano

Analyst

I’m not going to speculate it at this time Anthony but we’re it’s certainly a possibly as we look to the outlook and have confidence that Constellation’s brands will do a good job.

Anthony Hammill

Analyst

Very good, okay and upon so it’s -- as of the end of the quarter was considered discontinued operations, when the books close on Q4, are you expecting there to be an impairment or a gain on sale and if there is an impairment will that provide a what sort of tax yield will that provide?

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Anthony as we reported the transaction in the Q3 results we were required to write down some of the intangible assets in Q3 and that number is reflected in the last on discontinued ops and looking for Q4, the primary activity in discontinued ops will be the month plus of normal operating activity that took place before the close of the deal.

Anthony Hammill

Analyst

Okay, all right. So the and the numbers you give the $16.6 are those the net proceeds after banking fees or those that is the gross sales?

Ron Casciano

Analyst

That’s the gross sales price.

Anthony Hammill

Analyst

Right okay, okay. So Q4 will have a small amount of discontinued operations but should be a relatively clean quarter in terms of one-off cost of exiting the business and severance amount or there -- thought there could be additional?

Ron Casciano

Analyst

No, there might be any true ups different things but primarily to be one month plus of the normal operating activities that you will see.

Anthony Hammill

Analyst

Alright, okay and just couple others and then I’ll get jump back in the queue. The restaurant business is mentioned and again there a lot of information to absorb but a large customer I believe 34,00 stores which you didn’t name and understand you may not be able to do that, is that a new customer you referring to or is that an existing customer.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

That was a new customer that we signed up earlier in the year and we’ve been deploying the systems to them for the last few quarters. They had a significant impact on the revenue growth in Q3 and unfortunately like many large customers they sometimes I don’t know, let to do use their name in the press release so, but it was a big impact on the quarter so obviously we have to comment on it.

Anthony Hammill

Analyst

Okay and that was through the legacy offering was that a Brink customer?

Ron Casciano

Analyst

No, that was a legacy offering, that was a primarily our legacy hardware products.

Anthony Hammill

Analyst

Okay and that revenue was, that contract is essentially fully deployed as of the end of the Q3 or is there still some.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

No, I’ll go through the end of Q1 based on the current roll out schedule.

Anthony Hammill

Analyst

Right, okay and then in the government business, again good growth there and even better on the margin side is that the change in mix and the elevated backlog is the margin profile of Q3 a new normal or is there still can be we back 100 basis points up, 100 basis points down as on as we go quarter-to-quarter.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Yeah, that we used to say that the government margin could swing between 5% and 6% from quarter to quarter its usually on the north end of that and it was, obviously over 7% this quarter so, let’s say between 6 and 7 is, something that we should expect so, then trending up over the last few years.

Anthony Hammill

Analyst

Right and so that sounds like from your comments about that’s a sustainably higher margin business then perhaps it, it has been.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Well, it does depend on the future mix of contracts.

Anthony Hammill

Analyst

But your contract base now in the backlog it’s a, you’re happy with the margin profile.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Yeah, it’s pretty good.

Anthony Hammill

Analyst

Very good.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Yeah, we had good bookings quarter there.

Anthony Hammill

Analyst

Okay and in terms of the you have I think it was $3 million in that at the end of the quarter and now you’re going to be flush with cash and obviously you are not going to identify exactly you can do with the money because if you did you would probably put in the press release but what is the process to identify the best use of that capital and how far long are you in that process or is that yet to begin.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Well, we’re still in the very early stages as we develop our strategy and plans for 2016 beyond. It will give us more, more flexibility and whatever strategic options we want to explore including may be some M&A activity or investments in our, on core software products so, we’re just be getting to a evaluate that so it’s still early Antony.

Anthony Hammill

Analyst

Right and then in terms of the product mix ATRIO which was a huge drain on R&D with little, revenue associated with is now gone so that, certainly from a reported earnings basis and profitability basis we’re looking at in much cleaner business going forward, are there any other major sources of R&D right now which are on products or services that are necessarily reflected in revenue or SureCheck obviously have some R&D but that is now - project.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

The main R&D expenditure at this point going forward will be, SureCheck and Brink. We just completed new hardware development with our new 8000 hardware platform so, we recently came out with SureCheck advantage a new hardware device for our SureCheck offering so those are, though it will continue, to optimize and invest at the right levels they continued to make sure we can grow those product lines as the core of the restaurant business.

Anthony Hammill

Analyst

Right, but the product sat and offering right now is stands is in as the whole looks like it’s more up to date than perhaps it has been over the last couple of years and I know you guys wanted to give guidance but I would hope it’s safe to say that the days of $15 plus million dollars a year in R&D are behind the company, and again you grow substantially to get back there?

Mike Bartusek

Analyst

Yes if you just look at the ratios prior to the divestiture R&D was somewhere around 7% of total revenue in the third quarter on a continuing Ops basis were at 4.7%, so it shows that the R&D spend now is developing our current portfolio which we’re realizing revenue on. So the payback is started as you mentioned the payback on ATRIO was slow in coming and was costing us a significant investment in R&D. So it will be lot more revenue associated with the current R&D burn going forward.

Anthony Hammill

Analyst

All right. Okay, well I just would like to end off by again saying congratulations for getting the deal done and now being in charge of a profitable growing more simplistic and understand business I think the interest in the stock this morning and the volume and the fact that I had to wait on hold to get on this conference call which has never happened before an indication that people like what they see. So again congratulations on good job on the quarter.

Mike Bartusek

Analyst

Thanks Anthony, thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And the next question is from Gary Siperstein of Elliot Rose Asset Management. Your line is open.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Hi guys. Good morning.

Mike Bartusek

Analyst

Good morning Gary.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

And Mike welcome to the board.

Mike Bartusek

Analyst

Thank you.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Congratulations, it was a wonderful quarter and piggybacking what Anthony said it was nice to see the divestiture, Ron some of this might be a little repetitive from Anthony but I just want to get a little more clarity. So you’ve been in the restructuring mode for a good maybe six months now and we had charges in Q2 and Q3 related to that separate from the hotel divestiture. Do we feel the fourth quarter everything else I know you’re going to continue to work on cost cutting forever but should we expect the charges in each quarter to start diminishing as the facility consolidation, your footprint consolidation, personnel consolidation comes to an end and then it’s more [dodging the ice] [ph] which might not -- which might hope to save money but it won’t show up in special charges?

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Yes Gary in our next few quarters in the short term offers coming back up first as you said we’re always looking to cut cost where we can streamline operations but we’re not expecting any large restructuring charges in the next couple of quarters.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Okay. Super.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

And obviously we announced the earlier one earlier this year and the hotel divestiture was -- has a significant impact on the bottom line, so next couple of quarters will be nothing significant.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Got it. Super. And can you tell us what the hotel division Springer-Miller and ATRIO what that division was losing per quarter which won’t be losing anymore now that it’s gone?

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Well it was losing significant amount of money, we haven’t disclosed the pieces yet, you’ll see it in the footnotes always on a GAAP basis about $1.5 million a quarter.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Wow okay that means that’s $0.10, that’s huge.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Yes.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Yes. I mean that’s going to be a significant savings going forward per quarter, wonderful. And I know Anthony tried to get some clarity on the gain or loss you’re going to show, so the $16.5 million, I know you developed ATRIO internally and you expense that’s you win so, to determine the gain or loss on the transaction does it go back to the Springer-Miller acquisition price less depreciation and amortization.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Well with that getting too detailed in their Gary, as I mentioned earlier the write-down of some of the intangible assets basically takes care of the gain or loss on the transactions so on Q4 that were not expecting any significant true up to that amount other than as they said the normal operating results for the month of October plus a few days.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Got it, okay and Ron again responding the Anthony you talked about the $16.5 million was before the expenses of closing with the Houlihan Loke and can you tell us how much cash went on the balance sheet at closing was it $13 million, was it $14 million?

Ron Casciano

Analyst

The dealer called for $12.1 million to be paid at closing that’s the amount we received yesterday. The balance is typical, there’s always a whole back on these deals has due in 18 months.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Okay, that’s 18 months on the differential of separate from the $1.5 million for now.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Yes.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Okay. And then to the government business, so you mentioned some significant wins I guess in the quarter, but I don’t think there are any was it all fully announced in the quarter or were something in that because this -- IQ.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

The particular customer that we - not allowed to have an announceable event, that’s all I can say -- it was a significant win in the quarter Gary in the ISR area and

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Yeah.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

So was as you and you saw had a major impact on the backlog and will have a continuing favorable impact going forward on a government business.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Okay, so…

Ron Casciano

Analyst

The very nice one.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Like on the restaurant side sometimes you just can announce, you can any system out and say, say we got we want to contract from a government, prime contractor you can even say that.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

They when might as say anything but

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Okay. And then you increase in the backlog.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

I am sorry

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

If I appreciative that. So on the backlog increase I think you have said again I apologize despite and here we ready down to ask but sequentially the backlog went from $73.5 million to $98.1.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Yes.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Is that what you said A and then B so, that was what you were allowed to put in the backlog exclusive of the IDIQ total amount, I mean how does that work?

Ron Casciano

Analyst

A portion of the IDIQ goes into the backlog when we get the task order under that contract. But, the total ceiling value of the contract doesn’t go in there until the task orders come in. So, the actual, if you wanted to account the whole ceiling value the backlog would be substantially higher but industry practice doesn’t do at that way.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Okay, so what it would be, in other words so you want from $73.5 million to $98 million so about $25 million increase, but that’s as you just demonstrated doesn’t include the total potential value what would the total potential value be?

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Well, so I to say Gary specifically I haven’t done the exact, math, but we the ceiling value is $90 million. We have booked $46 million in backlogs, so you can take the difference of the $45 million it’s always it’s not in the backlog yet. Yeah, if you get to assume that they spend the ceiling amount at the end of the day, which you know.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Yeah.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

We certainly are -- any math but it’s not given.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Right. Okay thank you and then on the hardware order that you’re shipping you mentioned it was a new tier 1 which is away from you prior tier 1’s in McDonald’s of 3400 stores, so they not let you tell us at this point anyways who they are, but what makes a company a tier 1 I mean in another words can give us, give me four, five other examples of substance there restaurant companies that would be considered tier 1.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

We classified tier 1’s as our restaurant chain it has over 2000 stores this particular customer has two concepts. There is about 20 or so restaurant companies in the Tier 1 category.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Okay. Are we shipping hardware to both concepts or only one concept?

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Yes to both of them.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

To both of them, okay. And you said a total of 3,400 stores, you said shipments will go through Q1 of 2016, so will we have completed the 3,400 stores by the end of Q1?

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Most of them Gary that’s a current roll out schedule.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

And have they say there is never -- I’m sorry.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

We’re still attempting and talking about press release but at this time we’re have taken a position there you want to be silent, which we respect that.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Okay. Got it.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

I’ll just say Gary we’re talking I said there is about 20 Tier 1 restaurants, chains out there, we’re in about 11 of them.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Okay.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Yes, I’m sorry yet another question.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Yes, so moving over to SureCheck you mentioned Walmart International roll out. So historically we had previously completed the domestic roll out and now the international rollout is ongoing that’s question one and then question two is you mentioned 5,000 international stores will that be totally shipped calendar 2016 or does that go into 2017?

Ron Casciano

Analyst

First of all Gary the 5,000 stores were the domestic stores that were already deployed in.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Okay, okay.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

International roll out in those five countries will be substantially completed in 2016.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

And do you have a number on the number of locations?

Ron Casciano

Analyst

I don’t have it in top of my head, have the numbers.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Okay. And then moving towards Brink on the Five Guys roll out, I don’t recall company owned stores versus franchisees, can you give us any that do we include -- do we have business with both, are we the recommended vendor for the franchisees and b how many just remind me how many total stores Five Guys has and then how many we had rolled out so far and is it expected to be fully shipped in 2016 or is that a multiyear deal?

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Sure Gary of the 1200, 1300 stores that they have about 300 are corporate, we’re the preferred vendor to the franchisee community as well, the roll out schedule has been delayed versus our earlier view of it Five Guys at their request has slowed it down as they deal with some internal task regarding integration of other modules and some other things, it will pick up in earnest in 2016 and by the end of 2016, we hope it will be complete. So it’s unfortunate that a push has pushed those things happen all the time and we deal with them but the good news is we had a successful third quarter with very little contribution from the Five Guys roll out, so something that we’re looking forward.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Super.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

We only have about 55 Guys stores deployed to date out of the 1200, 1300?

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

That’s wonderful, Ron. So you did $0.11 in the quarter without much…

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Without much from franchise, right.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

So the fourth quarter and calendar 2016, so those five quarters will have more contribution from Brink on top of what you’ve already done organically?

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Yes not so much in Q4 but it will be in 2016.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

2016, okay. And I don’t know if this is more for Mike but at some point are you guys going to break out the Cloud revenue, the subscription, the monthly subscription part of the business, I know Mike you had mentioned 21% is recurring in the quarter, is that the figure or is that SureCheck and Brink and historical ATRIO, can you give me a little more color on that?

Mike Bartusek

Analyst

Well it doesn’t include ATRIO essentially those other products and we do in the future hope in 2016 to start reporting some more detail, more information about the, that line item.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Okay, super. And do we have a sort of tax provision in the quarter. Do we have is that more international I thought we had a small amount of NOLs offset domestic income and am I wrong on that and if there is an NOL with it also covers some of the, the possible capital taxation result as the in light of the hotel sale.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Yeah, hey Gary the book tax provision is based on the current year calculation and doesn’t take really take any consideration of prior year NOLs, but when we file our tax return we do have significant NOLs and we will be paying very, very little tax, Federal tax in the U.S. on our 2015 results including any amounts owed on the, the taxable gain on the transaction so from a cash position we won’t be writing any big checks or taxes.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Okay, super. And do you know of the top of you Ron with the size of the NOL is.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

It’s about $30 million pretax and it’s on the balance sheet to 34% of that approximately Gary that we have put on the balance at the after-tax amount. But, basically the next $30 million of pretax income in the U.S. we have NOL’s to offset it.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Wonderful okay, so they might not be any domestic taxation for at least a year or two

Ron Casciano

Analyst

But it’s not been a out there called alternate, alternate minimum tax, but we won’t talk about that -- all number.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Okay. And, with the 16 or you don’t the 12 or whatever the proceeds are would you guys consider you know it’s been the long dry spell to your shareholders would you consider a dividend and/or buyback in addition to may be additional M&A cloud, M&A stuff?

Ron Casciano

Analyst

I would say, dividend is not under consideration Gary. The board always discusses a lot of things including buybacks at this time that’s not anticipated as I said earlier we are looking to take the proceeds and invest in our technology of SureCheck and Brink and do some look at some other strategic options and fill our products portfolio maybe some M&A, but its’ very early in the process yet. And we’re continuing to evaluate.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Alright, when you talk about strategic, possible strategic M&A what are the holes you’d like to fill in the restaurant business on the product side that might be at the top you wish list for ultimate M&A.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Well I won’t get that specific Gary but, that’s what we’re look at. We look at our existing product portfolio and see what gaps we have what the market is for those gaps and we make a decision.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Okay, and on your facility can you jut refresh me your corporate headquarters and facility. How many acres, how many square feet what’s it on the books for, are you utilizing all of it or in light of the different restructuring is some of that getting ready to be leased out, and/or would you have a consider to sale leaseback of that.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Gary our corporate facilities we own in total about 43 acres. Our main headquarters building is little over 200,000 square feet. We occupy a little over half of that run out some of the remainder and looking to fill the rest of the space either with the expansion or other tenants, that’s on the books for small amount it was purchased a long time ago not considering a sale-leaseback at this time.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Any guesstimate on what it’s worth today.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

I am not going to speculate on that Gary. We haven’t and I guess we haven’t looked that area and well is in nothing contemplated in the near future so.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Okay.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

The real estate market changes all the times so.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Absolutely, so and just a couple more and then I will give someone else a chance on investor relations IR so, now you have two solid operating quarters in a row, two quarters in a row of sales growth and if we annualize the $0.11 just are on that’s $0.44, 25P gets it to $0.10 or $0.11 bucks a share. And I don’t think that’s biggish in light of the EPS comparisons being your EPS growth rate was 100% and there is more to come as you continue to add to that monthly subscription income with additional wins and additional roll outs as were discussed. So we have government and hardware piece which might diminish the PE devaluation somewhat but as you guys know most public Cloud only companies and a lot of them are still losing money but they trade at two times, three times sales and here are with an $80 million, $90 million enterprise value doing $0.25 billion business possibly on our way to $300 million, it seems like we are crazily undervalued can you tell us what the plan is on investors relations?

Chris Byrnes

Analyst

Hi Gary it’s Chris here.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Hi, Chris.

Chris Byrnes

Analyst

I think we’re going to probably ramp up activities where appropriate, we certainly have been having ongoing dialogs with new perspective funds, we’re certainly hoping that the reaction from the positive news coming out today only kind of fuels that further and we’re certainly talking to the sell side and the buy side and making sure that we’re kind of knocking on the right doors at the right time that people that this is within their kind of sphere of investment vehicles and so I think you’ll notice I think increased activities in that particular area.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Okay. And Chris are there any conferences coming up between now and year end or into the first quarter?

Chris Byrnes

Analyst

Few Gary, they tend -- once the holidays kick in, there might be one or two that we can garner an invitation to before the holidays start but certainly as you’re aware January and February timeframe is very busy and that’s specific arena and I would expect us to be quite busy presenting in certain opportunities.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Okay. And then last question actually it’s more of a comment but now with hotel and hotel related divested, if you guys could now that you’re doing wonderfully in restaurants and have momentum and it’s very exciting growth, if you could sell or spin off government and become a pure play hospitality company with the major growth coming from the Cloud and subscription base even with a hardware portion of the business like I described earlier. Just one-time sales would get you guys granted sales would be $250 million it would be that less the government portion but one, one and half time sales is still probably cheaper than every other subscription Cloud company out there and that would easily get you north of 10 bucks. So as you’re a largest shareholder. I just want to go on the record for you guys and the board that I still recommend divesting government and putting are you focus on what you’ve been doing a spectacular job on and I think will get an appropriate valuation from the street, thank you very much and congratulations.

Chris Byrnes

Analyst

Thanks. Thank you very much for your questions, Gary. Good talking with you.

Gary Siperstein

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And I’m not showing any further questions at this time. I’ll turn the call back over for any closing remarks.

Ron Casciano

Analyst

Okay. Well thank you everyone for participating and everyone have a good day. Good bye, thank you.