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Q2 2025 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 5, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon. My name is Kevin, and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I'd like to welcome everyone to the Paysign, Inc. Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. The comments on today's call regarding Paysign's financial results will be on a GAAP basis, unless otherwise noted. Paysign's earnings release was disseminated to the SEC earlier today and can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website, paysign.com, which includes reconciliations of non-GAAP measures to GAAP reported amounts. Additionally, as set forth in more detail in our earnings release, I'd like to remind everyone that today's call will include forward- looking statements regarding Paysign's future performance. Actual performance could differ materially from these forward-looking statements. Information about the factors that could affect future performance is summarized at the end of Paysign's earnings release and in our recent SEC filings. Lastly, a replay of this call will be available until November 5, 2025. Please see Paysign's Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Call announcement for details on how to access the replay. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Mark Newcomer, President and CEO. Please go ahead.

Mark R. Newcomer

Analyst

Thank you, Kevin, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us as we review our second quarter 2025 results. I'm Mark Newcomer, President and CEO of Paysign. Joining me today is our CFO, Jeff Baker, along with Matt Turner, President of Patient Affordability and Matt Lanford, our Chief Payments Officer, who will be available for Q&A. This was another standout quarter for Paysign. Earlier today, we reported record revenue of $19.1 million, up 33% compared to the second quarter last year and a meaningful improvement in gross margins, raising 870 basis points to 61.6%. Even with onetime expenses of about $300,000 related to the onboarding of 123 transitioning plasma centers late in the quarter, we doubled adjusted EBITDA to $4.5 million, up 102% from second quarter 2024 and nearly doubled net income to $1.4 million, up 99% from second quarter 2024. Our patient affordability business is driving much of this momentum. Revenue grew 190% year-over-year to $7.75 million, and revenue per program rose over 83%, reflecting the strong confidence our pharmaceutical partners place in our solutions as claims processed grew by more than 80%. We launched 7 programs this quarter, 21 in the first half of the year, already surpassing last year's pace of 18 programs launched, exiting the quarter with 97 active programs, while expecting another 30 to 40 programs prior to year- end. Our pipeline remains robust with demand accelerating from both new and existing clients where over half are transition programs, which ramp very quickly. The fact that existing clients are expanding their programs with us is one of the strongest validations of our ability to scale, deliver results and solve real industry challenges. In order to meet this growing demand, we are planning to open a new state-of-the-art patient services contact center during the third…

Jeffery B. Baker

Analyst

Thank you, Mark. Good afternoon, everyone. As Mark said, we had an exciting second quarter with a lot of positive activity across both major areas of our business. We had some really nice wins in our patient affordability business that will enable us to continue the momentum we have experienced in the first half of the year into the second half of the year and into 2026. We had the addition of 132 plasma centers, 123 of which went live late in the quarter that should provide additional momentum through the end of this year and into 2026 as the oversupply of inventory levels normalize. We cannot be more excited about the prospects of our business for the remainder of this year and throughout 2026. I encourage everyone to read our 10-Q for more details about our financial results, which is expected to be filed tomorrow morning before the market opens. Now turning your attention to the results for the second quarter. Results were in line with the guidance we provided last quarter despite unexpected pleasant upfront costs we absorbed to launch the 123 new plasma centers late in the quarter. These costs far outweigh the slight revenue benefit we received during the quarter, but we expect that to swing the other way in the second half of the year. Second quarter 2025 total revenues of $19.1 million increased $4.7 million or 33.1%. Plasma revenue declined 4.7% to $10.7 million, and our revenue per plasma center declined to $7,098. We added 123 net plasma centers exiting the quarter with 607 centers. Gross dollars loaded to cards decreased 3.7%, total number of loads decreased 4.6% and gross spend volume decreased 6.3%. Moving to our pharma patient affordability business. Second quarter pharma revenues of $7.8 million was up 190% and accounted for…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question today is coming from Jacob Stephan from Lake Street Capital Markets.

Jacob Michael Stephan

Analyst

Congrats on the quarter and solid outlook here. Maybe first for me, can you just touch on the 30 to 40 programs that you expect to onboard in pharma? Maybe help us understand better, are these more existing customers or new customers? Maybe help us kind of think through the dynamics there.

Matthew Turner

Analyst

This is Matt Turner. Happy to take that question, and thanks for asking. It represents a mix of new clients that we will be onboarding as well as additional programs from existing clients. It's a pretty good mix between the 2, I'd say, about 50-50.

Jacob Michael Stephan

Analyst

Okay. And I guess, to Mark's point, are most of these transition programs or are some of them just new drug approvals from existing customers? Or what's the outlook there?

Matthew Turner

Analyst

Yes. So I'm actually trying to pull up the numbers here specifically, so I can give you a good answer to that. It's close to 50-50 as well as transitions versus launches. And probably, I would say it's going to lean to heavier on the transition side versus the launch.

Jacob Michael Stephan

Analyst

Okay. Great. Maybe second one for me, just more of a clarification question. So on the plasma side, you expect to add kind of 10 to 14 programs through -- centers throughout the remainder of the year. Does that include the 9 that were onboarded after June 30th? Or is that in addition to the full 132?

Mark R. Newcomer

Analyst

That does include the 9 that we spoke about in the 132.

Jacob Michael Stephan

Analyst

Okay. And then maybe if you could just kind of provide us an update on the donor management system time line, FDA approval, anything to kind of time line to look out for there?

Mark R. Newcomer

Analyst

We're targeting currently towards the end of this year. We're expecting that we will be granted approval around that time frame.

Jacob Michael Stephan

Analyst

Maybe one more quick one. The gross margin impact here from the new center opening, I guess, how much of the gross margin impact will be from the new center versus some of these additional costs that you saw in Q2?

Jeffery B. Baker

Analyst

Jacob, I haven't run the numbers like down to the percentage under the dollar amounts. I mean it's about additional $60,000 a month in cost. Just for the -- that's just for the facility, but we're going to have more bodies, obviously, that we're adding in. Our call center costs are going up because we're having to add more bodies. It's a very good problem to have and should -- I know for a fact that's helped us win more business. We've got customers in that -- in patient affordability business who definitely look to us for that strength. We're not outsourcing this to third world country or any AI bots or anything like that, which is very important for the pharmaceutical world and the plasma world. They definitely want top-notch.

Operator

Operator

Next question today is coming from Gary Prestopino from Barrington Research.

Gary Frank Prestopino

Analyst

A couple of questions on the plasma side. First of all, the new centers that you're rolling out, how is their average revenue compared to your business that you have in hand right now?

Mark R. Newcomer

Analyst

Well, Gary, we expect them to be pretty much in line. It's an existing customer. So we already have their trends that are in our numbers. We don't see a huge discrepancy across the centers. Sometimes geographic locations will vary that. But these centers, it's in the average, and we expect that to be reflected in the numbers going forward.

Gary Frank Prestopino

Analyst

Okay. And then you also mentioned that you expect the closing of these underperforming centers that you will continue to keep these donors with you. What are you doing specifically to do that? And were these centers that are closing, are they -- were they just in kind of densely populated areas and it was kind of duplicative and that's why they were underperforming. I just want an idea of how you're going to keep these people within your universe.

Mark R. Newcomer

Analyst

Yes. They were underperforming centers. They did it for many reasons, efficiencies and the like, not our decision, obviously. For the donors, the way we're going to retain the donors is the donors that are losing those centers are going to go to centers that are close by with the same client and with other people that we provide services to. And that's why we expect to retain those donors.

Jeffery B. Baker

Analyst

And Gary, remember, with this happened -- this also happened back in, I think it was 2023, last time we had one of our customers shutter a number of centers. I think back then, it was 15, 16, I have to go back and look. And the average revenue per center actually went up. I mean, those centers kind of pulled down the average. But we retained a high number of those donors, again, because there's other centers in the vicinity and they'll just move to a different center.

Operator

Operator

Next question today is coming from Pete Heckmann from D.A. Davidson.

Peter James Heckmann

Analyst

Could you remind me or remind us in terms of how we think about breaking down revenue within pharma, how should we think about design and program design fees versus monthly maintenance versus claims or transaction fees? How do those play in? And I would assume it's different for different types of programs. But when we hear that claims volume is up 80% year-over-year, but revenue is up, more than double that. How should we think about reconciling the 2 numbers?

Matthew Turner

Analyst

Yes. So this is Matt. Thanks for the question, Pete, you hit the nail on the head as far as we have program setup fees, we have monthly management fees and then a variety of different transactional fees across our ecosystem. So every pharmacy claim that comes in, that's a paid claim that generates revenue on that claim. If there are other features or functionality attached to that claim, we talked about dynamic business rules, that's something that rides on top of the claim. There's extra fees for those types of items. So while we're going to make money on every paid claim when it comes in, there's also other products and services overlaid on top of that claim that will generate additional revenue. So that's why, yes, you'll see there's an 80% increase in claims and a 200% increase in revenue because we're able to add on these additional services to essentially make us more money along the way and provide more cost savings and efficiencies to our clients.

Mark R. Newcomer

Analyst

And also Pete, I was going to tell you because I think you're also asking about kind of the mix. So the mix changes depending on the time of the year. Obviously, more claims volume first half of the year as well as nonclaim revenue, you'll see a heavier mix of that in the first half of the year versus the monthly management fees and setup fees. As you go to the second half of the year, as some of the out-of-pocket maximums are hit and some other things, we see claim volumes typically slow down and some of the other revenue items slow down, then you'll see more monthly management and setup fees. So it's kind of like -- it's kind of -- as we grow, it's becoming blended to the tune of about 20% to 30% of revenues coming from claims, 20% to 30% of revenues coming from monthly management setup fees and the remainder coming from nonclaim revenue. So we're getting a pretty good balance, especially if you look at it for the entirety of the year.

Peter James Heckmann

Analyst

And then just thinking about the revenue per program in pharma, we've discussed how that's not necessarily the greatest indicator, especially on a small base of programs. But when we look at that number, should we assume that the mix is shifting towards more specialty programs versus just retail?

Operator

Operator

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Mark R. Newcomer

Analyst

Pete, did you hear what I was saying, on the mix?

Peter James Heckmann

Analyst

No, I did not.

Mark R. Newcomer

Analyst

Okay. I'm sorry. Okay. We got cut off. So what I was saying is it depends on the time of the year. Earlier in the year, first half of the year, you're going to see more claims versus the second half of the year as maximum out of pockets are reached. And you'll see more monthly management fees -- monthly management and setup fees in the second half of the year usually than the first half of the year. What I was saying is, though, we're growing and getting to such a good-sized portfolio that it's pretty balanced. If you look out over the entirety of the year, it's kind of 20% to 30% in claim revenue, 20% to 30% in monthly management and setup fees and the rest in nonclaim revenue. And like Matt told you, nonclaim revenue can run the gamut of a lot of stuff that we do for these programs, call center, for example, or number generation or faxes and everything it takes to run a program.

Peter James Heckmann

Analyst

And then my follow-up question, which I think I cut off. But just thinking about the over 90% increase in revenue per pharma program in the first half, should we infer from that, that the mix is shifting towards more specialty or in physician office treatments? Or is that an incorrect assumption? Is it just there may be even -- maybe just some bigger retail drugs in there as well?

Matthew Turner

Analyst

Yes. I think I don't want to say that it's because there's like a push to more in-office or specialty drugs. I would certainly say it's not related to in-office, by the way, because that would be more of a medical benefit product. If you look at the concentration of products that we have or brands that we're running programs for, on the specialty side, we do lean pretty heavy towards oncology, hematology type products, things like that in the specialty realm. We do have a good chunk of retail business, and that's growing. I think the push that you're seeing in the -- kind of in the increase in revenue is the types of programs that we onboarded in Q4 of last year are now fully up and running coming out of Q1 and Q2. And so some of the add-on products like dynamic business rules will have an impact on the top line revenue numbers for those programs. So I think that's where you're seeing the -- some of the bigger jumps in numbers is because we have these other products and services that we're able to offer and that in turn is having a very good impact on our -- or a very good result on our top [indiscernible].

Operator

Operator

We reached the end of our question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over for any further closing comments.

Mark R. Newcomer

Analyst

Thanks, Kevin. To wrap up, Q2 was a breakout quarter for Paysign with record revenue, stronger margins and accelerating growth in patient affordability, underscoring the momentum we're building. As we scale to meet rising demand and broaden our reach in the plasma industry and innovative technology, we remain confident in our strategy and excited about what lies ahead. I want to thank the entire Paysign team for their incredible focus and execution, and thank you all for joining us today and for your continued interest and support.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. That does conclude today's teleconference and webcast. You may disconnect your line at this time, and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation today.