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Q4 2016 Earnings Call· Wed, Feb 1, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the Pitney Bowes Fourth Quarter Full Year 2016 Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Today’s call is also being recorded. If you have any objections, please disconnect your lines at this time. I would now like to introduce your speakers for today’s conference. Mr. Marc Lautenbach, President and Chief Executive Officer; Mr. Michael Monahan, Executive Vice President, Chief Operating Officer; and Mr. Adam David, Vice President, Investor Relations. Mr. David will now begin the call with a Safe Harbor overview.

Adam David

Analyst

Good morning. Included in this presentation are forward-looking statements about our expected future business and financial performance. Forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to be materially different from our projections. More information about these risks and uncertainties can be found in our 2015 Form 10-K annual report and other reports filed with the SEC that are located on our website at www.pb.com and by clicking on Investor Relations. Please keep in mind that we do not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statements as a result of new information or developments. Also for non-GAAP measures used in the press release or discussed in this presentation, you can find reconciliations to the appropriate GAAP measures in the tables attached to our press release and also on our Investor Relations website. Additionally, we have provided slides that summarize many of the points we will discuss during the call. These slides can also be found on our Investor Relations website. Now, our President and Chief Executive Officer, Marc Lautenbach, will start with a few opening remarks. Marc?

Marc Lautenbach

Analyst · Northcoast Research. Please proceed with your question

Thank you, Adam and good morning. Let me start by saying that the fourth quarter was not the quarter we wanted or expected. As always, there were puts and takes in the business. However, the primary story is in software. In the third quarter earnings call, I referenced several large software deals that our expectations were built on. We were encouraged not only by the size of these deals, which were substantial for any large software company and especially for a company of our size, but also because these opportunities were with clients with whom we have a strong long-term relationship and have successfully closed business in the past. There was every indication that we would close these deals by the end of the fourth quarter. Unfortunately, these deals slipped into 2017. While I am confident we will close many of these deals this year, the failure to close these deals in 2016 caused a different quarterly performance than we were expecting. While I continue to be confident in the future of our software business, there is no question we need to up our game going forward. This was not the first quarter we have had a foreclosed rate on large deals. Consequently, we have made a series of changes in our software executive sales management team. Going forward, Bob Guidotti will personally direct the software sales organization. Moments like these requires you to step back and to take stock of the lessons learned. I would summarize my learnings as follows. First, this reaffirms our initiative to build an indirect channel for our software business. Systems integrators bring reach, technical skills, brand credibility and more executive relationships to our business. All of this will be helpful to Pitney Bowes. Second, we need to up our own game selling to executives…

Michael Monahan

Analyst · George Tong with Piper Jaffray. Please proceed with your question

Thank you, Marc and good morning. As Marc discussed and as most of you have had a chance to see by now, we had a weaker-than-expected finish to the fourth quarter for both revenue and earnings per share. Let me spend some time going through the three specific factors affecting the quarter. I will then get into the financial details of the full year and the fourth quarter before providing more color around our 2017 expectations. First, as Marc noted, software revenue fell short of our expectation, mostly on lower license sales in the last few weeks of the quarter. Given the high margin nature of this revenue, the shortfall significantly impacted earnings. Entering the quarter, we had a healthy pipeline of deals. However, typical with this business, we expected a significant portion of business to close in the last 2 to 3 weeks of the quarter. Unfortunately, there were three large deals worth $17 million, along with a few smaller deals that did not get finalized in those last few weeks as we expected. We have consequently made changes in our software executive sales management team as Marc stated. Bob Guidotti’s experience and leadership, coupled with our aggressive effort to build and train our partner network sales teams, are expected to produce better results relative to our performance over the course of 2016. Second, while year-to-year comparisons for North American SMB in the quarter reflect modest revenue improvements from the last two quarters, we expected a stronger sales finish. As Marc noted, we have launched a number of new solutions in SMB, some of which are equipment sales based and others that will create streams over time. The product mix in the quarter resulted in lower than expected equipment sales. And third, the U.S. dollar further strengthened relative to…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] The first question comes from the line of Kartik Mehta with Northcoast Research. Please proceed with your question.

Kartik Mehta

Analyst · Northcoast Research. Please proceed with your question

Hey, good morning Marc and Mike. Marc, I wanted to ask you a little bit about the software business. I know you thought that, that business was going to turn around for a number of quarters and it struggled. And you talked about a sales reorganization. Is this – I guess, where are you in terms of sales reorganization? Is this a second or third try at how you are aligning the sales force or is this really the first time you are truly realigning the sales force to get to where you want to?

Marc Lautenbach

Analyst · Northcoast Research. Please proceed with your question

Yes, thanks for the question. So, to be clear, what we did is we removed a layer of executives as well as flattened our Asia organization. So, it does not affect and therefore should not be disruptive to our sales efforts of people working with clients. But I will allow Bob in particular to have his hands directly on the sales force. So we think, first, removing the layer as well as having Bob directly over the sales organization will help. It will not, in that sense, create the kind of disruptions that we have had with our software sales reorganizations in the past.

Kartik Mehta

Analyst · Northcoast Research. Please proceed with your question

And Marc, just – just had your Analyst Day, you seemed pretty confident how the business was trending. Is this change to guidance for 2017 strictly related to the software business or are you seeing any other businesses having some issues that you weren’t anticipating?

Marc Lautenbach

Analyst · Northcoast Research. Please proceed with your question

From my perspective, the change in guidance is principally around software. And as we got together, December 6, for Analyst Day, the transactions that Mike referenced we thought were in reasonable shape. Over the next couple of weeks, that changed. So based on where we finished, which was basically because of software as well as our closed rates in our software business, we thought the prudent move was to adjust our guidance, but it is really around our software performance.

Kartik Mehta

Analyst · Northcoast Research. Please proceed with your question

And just one last question, Marc, I apologize for continuing on the software. But on the software side, do you think it’s a product issue at all? I know you struggled with this for a number of quarters. Could it be a product issue that maybe the products that you have aren’t competing?

Marc Lautenbach

Analyst · Northcoast Research. Please proceed with your question

If you look at the transactions that were deferred and we have obviously looked at them some level of depth. None of those were because of competitive losses. There were all simply deferrals. That’s one fact that I think is important and informs my point of view. The second is if you look at the transactions that we are working on, that we didn’t get, there were large transactions with sophisticated clients. And as I said in my remarks, these are transactions that we think we have good line of sight out for this year. So I continue to take confidence in the fact that sophisticated clients are buying these products. And moreover, sophisticated systems integrators are making investments in their people to include these products in their solutions. So for those reasons, I continue to believe that this was principally a channel problem. And I would just – I mean not that we over rotate on this, but I mean yesterday, Gartner again, pointed out that we are in the magic quadrant for our CS products. So in anyway, I triangulate on this and obviously we have – moments like this, you go back and you look at every one of the assumptions you made in the business and that’s appropriate. But I just don’t see the evidence for a product, actually I see the evidence more strongly on a channel issue.

Kartik Mehta

Analyst · Northcoast Research. Please proceed with your question

Alright. Well, thanks Marc. I appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from the line of George Tong with Piper Jaffray. Please proceed with your question.

George Tong

Analyst · George Tong with Piper Jaffray. Please proceed with your question

Hi, thanks. Good morning. You are updating guidance primarily to reflect a more conservative view on software can you elaborate on what’s changed in the software business that caused you to be more conservative in your expectations?

Marc Lautenbach

Analyst · George Tong with Piper Jaffray. Please proceed with your question

Sure. Our close rates, in particular their direct sales force have not been where we thought they would be. So we continue to think they are going to improve and they haven’t. So we simply looked at our pipeline for 2017, applied different close rates for our direct sales force, factored in what we thought the influence of channel would add. And that’s kind of how we got what we got.

George Tong

Analyst · George Tong with Piper Jaffray. Please proceed with your question

Got it, that’s helpful. And you lowered 2017 EPS guidance by $0.10, but left revenue guidance unchanged, assuming margin expansion and no real changes in the tax rate, the $0.10 of EPS reduction corresponds to about $160 million in lower revenue, can you discuss whether the updated guidance reflects only reduced revenue assumptions in software or if you also have more conservative views about margins?

Michael Monahan

Analyst · George Tong with Piper Jaffray. Please proceed with your question

Yes. I think George, if you look at the way we give revenue guidance, it’s obviously as a percentage as opposed to earnings per share, we give an absolute. So I think if you apply those same percentages to the changed revenue base in 2016, it’s a rather modest change in revenue. So we did in effect, change the revenue guidance, but kept the percentage change the same just off the lower base.

George Tong

Analyst · George Tong with Piper Jaffray. Please proceed with your question

Got it.

Michael Monahan

Analyst · George Tong with Piper Jaffray. Please proceed with your question

I would just note in terms of our overall evaluation of guidance is obviously, we saw strengthening dollar at the end of the year. And we quite frankly have a more uncertain business environment. So as we looked across and looked at the opportunities, as Marc said of fun to add some conservatism to our guidance, certainly software was the dominant factor in that, but we consider other factors as well.

George Tong

Analyst · George Tong with Piper Jaffray. Please proceed with your question

Yes, it makes sense. Within North America Mailing, you called out some weakness in equipment sales, is there a residual impact in North America from the earlier ERP cutover or do you view 6% revenue decline as the new norm?

Michael Monahan

Analyst · George Tong with Piper Jaffray. Please proceed with your question

No. I would not necessarily associate it with the cutover in the system. There may be some drag on the recurring revenue streams as a result of the lower equipment sales we had earlier in the year. But in terms of overall equipment sales going forward, I would say we were a little less than what we would expect in the fourth quarter. In some ways, there is a positive reason for that, which is we have launched some new products. We probably were more conservative in how broadly we exposed those new products to get some early learnings from them. We expect to open those products to a bigger set of our clients as we get into the first quarter of 2017. So clearly, we think there is opportunities for improvement on equipment sales. And yes indeed, business which ultimately leads to the stream revenues.

Marc Lautenbach

Analyst · George Tong with Piper Jaffray. Please proceed with your question

Yes. Let me just to be clear, we don’t consider that new norm.

George Tong

Analyst · George Tong with Piper Jaffray. Please proceed with your question

Got it. And then last for me, within E-commerce, marketplace and retail showed strong double-digit growth, but this was partially offset by declines in office shipping, can you discuss trends in office shipping and it’s been potential for office shipping to reflect a positive growth?

Marc Lautenbach

Analyst · George Tong with Piper Jaffray. Please proceed with your question

Yes. In terms of office shipping, I would say, we have different sets of products there in terms of our outbound product, we saw less license sales in that product. We have seen good performance in our inbound product. We are making some changes to focus on those products as we go forward. We have launched some new shipping functionality in our SMB business. So we think that we will have the opportunity for improved performance as we go forward, but did have a weak finish to 2016.

George Tong

Analyst · George Tong with Piper Jaffray. Please proceed with your question

Pretty helpful. Thank you.

Marc Lautenbach

Analyst · George Tong with Piper Jaffray. Please proceed with your question

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from the line of Shannon Cross with Cross Research. Please proceed with your question.

Shannon Cross

Analyst · Shannon Cross with Cross Research. Please proceed with your question

Thank you very much for taking my question. Can you just remind us with the software business, how integrated it is in the other parts of your business, I would think with the connect platform that there was a lot of the software that had been integrated in there, but I am just trying to figure out – is this something you need to shed parts of, you need to fund partners, I don’t know, I know I am sure you have been looking at all of these things, but maybe if you can just talk a little bit about how much its standalone versus within everything else?

Marc Lautenbach

Analyst · Shannon Cross with Cross Research. Please proceed with your question

Sure. The sales organization is fairly discrete. I would say the product aspects of software you find different instantiations of in different businesses. And the development organizations are fairly intertwined. So it’s kind of, as a gradation depending on which aspect of the organization that you are looking at. As I indicated, we monetize the software assets not just from the software business, but also in our enterprise and SMB and Ecommerce business as well.

Shannon Cross

Analyst · Shannon Cross with Cross Research. Please proceed with your question

Great. Thank you. And then with regard to North American Mailing, can you talk a bit about the – I guess, what you have heard from customers following the elections, if there has been any change in tone and one of the things I remember, I think Mike, you talked to me about a while ago was that Pitney Bowes is positively exposed to small business creation, so if that picks up and things get better, so I am just curious as to how we should think about that, if you think that’s changed given more movement online or is that still something that theoretically could be a positive this year, assuming…?

Michael Monahan

Analyst · Shannon Cross with Cross Research. Please proceed with your question

I think it remains relevant to our business in particular as we bring more SaaS based applications, more shipping applications, we just launched an integrated mailing and shipping online functionality. So new business that come online will tend to be shippers if not mailers. And so we are adjusting our product set to make sure that we have opportunities to capture that new business growth.

Shannon Cross

Analyst · Shannon Cross with Cross Research. Please proceed with your question

Okay, great. And then from a pre-source standpoint, is there – how are you thinking about trying to drive revenue growth there and that’s been a pretty solid business over time, so I am curious are there some new geographies you could go to or new cities or what are your thoughts within that business?

Marc Lautenbach

Analyst · Shannon Cross with Cross Research. Please proceed with your question

I would say two things about pre-source. The first is the 2016 results were negatively impacted by the rate case at the beginning of the year. Conversely in 2017, there is a different rate case that took effect, I believe at the end of January, January 22. So while we had headwinds in that business in 2016, we are downwind in 2017 from an economic perspective, so that will help drive volume into the system. And then secondly, we continue to work for small tuck-in acquisitions to help grow that business and to take advantage of the fixed costs that we haven’t put more volume in the network. And finally, I expect that the system grow organically on its own. So 2016 was a different kind of year in pre-source than what we had expected, but what we had experienced in the past. But fundamentally, that business is strong and I think it will be back on the kind of growth rate that we had seen historically in 2017.

Shannon Cross

Analyst · Shannon Cross with Cross Research. Please proceed with your question

Got it. And that’s my segue to my usual question just on cash usage and how you are thinking about it given the cash generation target you put out this year and then what you spent money on last year?

Marc Lautenbach

Analyst · Shannon Cross with Cross Research. Please proceed with your question

Well, I would say I agree with what we said at Investor Day in terms of we are trying to create strategic flexibility and along with that, maintain investment grade ratios. So we will continue to invest what we need in the business. I would underline the fact that last year, while we were challenged at top line, we continue to invest in new products, invest in advertising, invest in systems. So we continue to make the kind of investments that while they are difficult to absorb in the short-term, we do everything that you want to create long-term value.

Shannon Cross

Analyst · Shannon Cross with Cross Research. Please proceed with your question

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And the next question comes from the line of Allen Klee with Sidoti. Please go ahead with your question.

Allen Klee

Analyst · Allen Klee with Sidoti. Please go ahead with your question

Hi. Good morning. In the SMB segment, I am just trying to understand how you think about, how you can do there relative to your expectation that this is a market that declines 2% to 4%, can you kind of help bridge to, if you still think you can be in that type of range or are there some other factors working there now?

Michael Monahan

Analyst · Allen Klee with Sidoti. Please go ahead with your question

Sure. If you take a look at 2016 and you were to back out what we identified in the second quarter and third quarter as specific impacts related to the go live of our business platform, we were down about 4.8% on the full year. So near the bottom edge of that 2% to 4% range that we say is the market. Obviously, with the introduction of a number of new products with more experience on the platform, one of the things we mentioned about investments in 2017 is in digital capabilities. That’s really around significantly expanding our digital presence, our digital store capability, our self-serve capability and our supply sales capability online. So it’s a combination of the products, the maturing of the investments we have made and the go to market opportunities enhanced with the digital channel.

Allen Klee

Analyst · Allen Klee with Sidoti. Please go ahead with your question

And then in pre-source, can you just remind me of the January rate case, how that affects the business positively?

Michael Monahan

Analyst · Allen Klee with Sidoti. Please go ahead with your question

Sure. In the 2017 rate case, one of the factors is providing high density mail prepared in a way that postal service can induct that more effectively into their network. That’s the whole concept about work share. And looking at our ability relative to the marketplace, we help customers qualify that mail and meet those high standards of density. We sit very uniquely positioned given the scale of our network. And so we believe we can help clients qualify more of their mail, and therefore drive more volume through our network.

Allen Klee

Analyst · Allen Klee with Sidoti. Please go ahead with your question

Okay. Thank you so much.

Michael Monahan

Analyst · Allen Klee with Sidoti. Please go ahead with your question

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from the line of Glenn Mattson with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead with your question.

Glenn Mattson

Analyst · Glenn Mattson with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead with your question

Yes. Good morning. On the software business, you talk about close rates a lot, what about pipeline, can you characterize if it’s growing or stable or shrinking?

Marc Lautenbach

Analyst · Glenn Mattson with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead with your question

Pipeline was healthy. As we enter the quarter, we are – our judgment based on historical close rates enough, more than enough pipe to get done what we needed to do. And then kind of when we worked with the large transactions, which to a degree, we factor out of the numbers because they can skew and we had a positive view of that. So pipe was healthy. It was healthy in the second half of last year. I would say that was a little bit of a departure from the first half. So pipeline was improved. And as we enter into 2017, we continue to be optimistic about our pipe. So back to the earlier question about is this is a product problem we see in the pipe, evidence of demand for our products.

Glenn Mattson

Analyst · Glenn Mattson with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead with your question

And I will this question because I will probably get it later today, the large deals that slipped in 4Q ‘15, are those related to these or are did those closed this year, I know you don’t want to talk about deal to deal basis, but generally, the characterization of those deals that slipped last year?

Marc Lautenbach

Analyst · Glenn Mattson with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead with your question

Yes. Those were different deals. I mean that’s kind of why we made some of the changes in the sales executive team as – that we did. I mean when you have a problem twice – when you have a problem once you kind of look like it, when you have it twice, you make changes. And I hold the senior executives responsible for getting those deals done.

Michael Monahan

Analyst · Glenn Mattson with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead with your question

And given the nature of some of these deals and the complexity of them, we would expect that they will, to the extent that we capture those deals in 2017, they will come in over the course of the year. Some of them in the first quarter, but they could extend in the second quarter or third quarter depending upon the specific circumstances of those clients.

Glenn Mattson

Analyst · Glenn Mattson with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead with your question

Okay. And then on the smart meters, you are couple of months now into selling those, what’s the experience of any uptake or are our clients happy to convert over, is it a new sense for them or what’s been your experience so far?

Michael Monahan

Analyst · Glenn Mattson with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead with your question

Yes. With the SmartLink product and that’s the ability to connect our traditional analog meters to the web through this digital connection. We have had very good experience. In fact, what we have seen in taking a sample of those customers who have been connected are actually generating more volume. And that’s because we are giving them insight and analytics back and tips on how to use it more effectively – how to use the meter more effectively. So it’s certainly early days of experience with it, but we are also seeing the clients’ ability to connect quite good, in fact we have been pleasantly surprised that a high proportion of the customers are connecting via WiFi versus a plug-in type of connection. So that’s giving us assurance that it’s relatively straightforward and simple process for people to connect their device.

Glenn Mattson

Analyst · Glenn Mattson with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead with your question

Okay, great. And lastly on the free cash flow, what is the impact of finance receivables, how does that relate to the free cash flow guidance for ‘17?

Michael Monahan

Analyst · Glenn Mattson with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead with your question

Yes. So with respect to free cash flow guidance and finance receivables, one of the reasons why the midpoint is essentially flat to this year’s free cash flow while we have earnings growth is the fact that we would expect less runoff of the finance receivables in 2017 than 2016, that’s linked obviously to our expectation of improved equipment sales performance in the SMB business.

Glenn Mattson

Analyst · Glenn Mattson with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead with your question

Okay, great. Thanks.

Michael Monahan

Analyst · Glenn Mattson with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead with your question

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And the next question is from the line of Hunter Martin with BNP. Please proceed with your question.

Hunter Martin

Analyst · Hunter Martin with BNP. Please proceed with your question

Hi. One question, that was just a follow-up on the last question, just to clarify, so these three large software deals that didn’t close at the end of 2016, they haven’t closed yet, but you expect they will close kind of spread across Q1 to Q3, was that correct based on the comments on the last question?

Marc Lautenbach

Analyst · Hunter Martin with BNP. Please proceed with your question

That’s correct.

Hunter Martin

Analyst · Hunter Martin with BNP. Please proceed with your question

Okay. And then other question…

Marc Lautenbach

Analyst · Hunter Martin with BNP. Please proceed with your question

Just had one additional piece of color and I said it in my prepared remarks. Those three deals were places where we have done business before. So these were not customers or clients that we are unfamiliar with. We knew the buyers to a degree it’s incremental software into the existing deployments, that’s a different kind of sale and one that while we were obviously not able to predict the timing whether you would have more confidence to execute.

Hunter Martin

Analyst · Hunter Martin with BNP. Please proceed with your question

Okay, that was very helpful. And then just on potential for a corporate tax reform in the U.S. like I seem to recall at the Investor Day kind of just mentioned the high tax rates this year, 31%, I think to 35%, so I know there is no clarity at, but just any I guess incremental thoughts on I guess the possibility of tax reform and the impacts on your business could be helpful?

Marc Lautenbach

Analyst · Hunter Martin with BNP. Please proceed with your question

Well, your crystal ball was good as mine in terms of that. I mean we are helpful that tax reform along with regulation relief and in particular, the ability to repatriate money, which we have got close to $500 million overseas, is all part of the economic reform that gets done. So obviously, with the tax rate in the 30s and they are talking about is incrementally helpful.

Michael Monahan

Analyst · Hunter Martin with BNP. Please proceed with your question

And given our share of income generated in the U.S., obviously changes in the U.S. corporate tax rate would have an impact for us.

Hunter Martin

Analyst · Hunter Martin with BNP. Please proceed with your question

Alright. Thanks a lot.

Michael Monahan

Analyst · Hunter Martin with BNP. Please proceed with your question

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions. Mr. Lautenbach, do you have some additional remarks?

Marc Lautenbach

Analyst · Northcoast Research. Please proceed with your question

I do and thank you. As I said at the outset of my prepared remarks, we were disappointed in our fourth quarter performance and our 2016 results. That said, there to get a few transactions done isn’t a broad based failure. For a company our size, there is thousands of things that need to go right. Unfortunately, in the fourth quarter, we had a few very significant things, not materialized. I would like to spend a minute putting this journey in perspective. In 2013 and 2014, in many ways, we turned around the business, cutting expenses, reducing inventory, improving sales execution. And the results reflected those initiatives. You can see it in the revenue growth in 2014 and you can see it in the stock price. At the same time, we are beginning an important work to transform the business. And when I say transform the business, I mean to fundamentally change what this company is. We moved to new channels, built our brand, improved our products and built new systems. These are the right things to do in order to create long-term value. But they certainly didn’t help our short-term results. In many ways, they are disruptive. These were however, the absolute right things to do in order to build long-term value for our company. I am not happy about the disruptions these initiatives caused and I am sure there were things we could have done better to navigate our way through the transition. For sure, there are things I would like to do over on, but there is no doubt in my mind that to build sustainable long-term value, you absolutely have to be willing to take the short-term hits to build long-term value. And we have done the hard work as we move into 2017 and we are poised to take advantage of that hard work. That’s not to say that things will improve all at once. That’s not the way transformations work. They are never a straight line. However, from where I sit, the evidence is clear that our work is beginning to payoff. You see it in our new products, you see it in new systems, you see it in the new channels. Finally, I would be remised if I did not mention that this is Mike’s last earning call as Chief Financial Officer. Mike will continue to be an integral part of our transformation as Chief Operating Officer and we will invite him back to every once in a while to make guest appearances on this call. I am sure you won’t want to miss that. Stan will take over effective today and we are all glad to have him on board. But Stan has got big shoes to fill and he knows it. I want to thank Mike for nearly 40 quarters as our CFO. And I look forward to working with both Mike and Stan to help transform our company. That concludes our call. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for your participation and for using AT&T. You may now disconnect.