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Precision Drilling Corporation (PDS)

Q1 2019 Earnings Call· Fri, Apr 26, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to your Precision Drilling Corporation First Quarter 2019 Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will be given at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Ashley Connolly, Manager, Investor Relations. You may begin.

Ashley Connolly

Analyst

Thank you, Sydney, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Precision Drilling's First Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. Participating today on the call with me are Kevin Neveu, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Carey Ford, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Through our news release earlier today, Precision reported its first quarter 2019 results. Please note that these financial figures are in Canadian dollars unless otherwise indicated. Some of our comments today will refer to non-IFRS financial measures, such as EBITDA and operating earnings. Please see our news release for additional disclosure on these financial measures. Our comments today will include forward-looking statements regarding Precision's future results and prospects. We caution you that these forward-looking statements are subject to a number of known and unknown risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations. Please see our news release and other regulatory filings for more information on forward-looking statements and these risk factors. Carey will begin today's call with a brief introduction of our first quarter operating results, Kevin will then provide an operational update and outlook. With that, I'll turn it over to you Carey.

Carey Ford

Analyst

Thank you, Ashley. In addition to reviewing the first quarter results, I'll provide an update on our 2019 capital plan and management of our capital structure. In 2019, our financial performance is off to a strong start with first quarter adjusted EBITDA of $108 million, 11% higher than the first quarter of 2018. The increase in adjusted EBITDA from last year is primarily the result of higher activity levels and day rates in our U.S. business, offset by significantly lower activity in our Canadian market. Additionally, EBITDA was positively impacted by the implementation of a lease accounting standard, which has added $3 million to EBITDA and negatively impacted by severance charges of $6 million. In the quarter, we recognized a $9 million share-based compensation expense compared to a $12 million recovery in Q4 2018. We had a similar share-based compensation expense in Q1 of 2018. In the U.S drilling activity for Precision increased 23% from Q1 2018 while margins were up $2,257 per day, positively impacted by higher day rates, partially offset by higher operating cost. Sequentially, day rates and margins net of turnkey and IBC increased $120,066 and $669 respectively. We expect to sustain strong margins into the second quarter. In Canada, drilling activity for Precision decreased 33% from Q1 2018 while margins were down $356 per day from the prior year, negatively impacted by lower shortfall payments. Net of shortfall payments, margins were higher by $465 per day. As we expect weaker Canadian Q2 activity, in the current quarter, we expect weaker overhead absorption, which is likely to cause margin pressure with daily operating margin down $500,000 per day compared to Q2 2018. Of note in the quarter, only 36% of our company's revenue is generated in Canada. This is the lowest percentage in the history of Precision,…

Kevin Neveu

Analyst

Thank you, Carey, and good afternoon. I'm pleased with Precision's strong start to 2019 and despite market headwinds in Canada and softening U.S. industry activity, we delivered better than time progress on all of 3 strategic priorities for the year. Carey mentioned our solid debt reduction. I am particularly pleased with the strong cash flow for operations as a result of aggressive cost management. We're leveraging the scale of our Super Triple fleet. We're also pleased with the cash raised to the sale of noncore assets. We believe further opportunities remain. And most importantly, we're on track commercializing our technology platform with strong customer support in several basins. Additionally, over the course of last 12 months, we've increased our U.S. Super Triple fleet by 6 rigs through a combination of redeployments, upgrades and new builds, and this demonstrates our ability to continue to invest our business and maximize the returns for our Super Triple fleet. So first of all, regarding our capital structure, and reiterating Carey's comments, we expect to be at or above the top-end of our target debt repayment range this year. We believe that lowering Precision's total debt to the EBITDA leverage below 2 is well within sight. We're confident that this is the best and most certain path to create value for our shareholders. I think it's also worth pointing out that debt reduction was a key component in our short-term incentive plan in 2018 and remains a key component in both our short-term and now our long-term competition plan awards for 2019, completely aligning shareholder value creation of executive compensation. Touching base on technology programs. This is the most important long-term growth and competitive strategic initiatives we are executing. Progress during the first quarter of 2019 was very good. We drilled over 200 wells, utilizing…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Sean Meakim with JPMorgan.

Sean Meakim

Analyst

So maybe just to start off, Precision has a decent mix of customers in the U.S, the majors, large and small independent, some privates too. Are something you maybe just give us a sense of with the pending news we'll see what happens ultimately with Anadarko but let's say, there is an acreage consolidation cycle that gets underway in the U.S. Can you talk about what do you think that means broadly for super spec rig demand and call it a static rig count environment? And then specifically for PD, how you think you're positioned for that type of change in the customer base?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst

Sean, it's Kevin. Thank you for the question. I think it's a really key question as the market continues to kind of industrialize. So you can look at any one of the emerging plays, when the majors move in, either through acreage or through consolidation or transactions like this, they're targeting kind of 2 outcomes. One, they try to consolidate acreage and two, they apply industrial level capital to play and you've heard, companies like [indiscernible] and excellent top with adding 20 or 30 rigs, certainly by these consolidations we're seeing kind of similar thinking, which I think plays very well. We think likely it means lots of customers are focused on lean manufacturing, measuring, not tens but hundreds of data points on the rig, optimizing every aspect of the drilling operation, which plays into both our data and our automation technology quite well. So already, our customer set that is probably farthest down the commercialization path are generally super majors and large NP customers. Although that said, we have a couple of private equity clients, who are also fully commercial adopters too. So both ends of the scale, but no question, the IOC's bring in industrial grade capital and they're looking for industrial style execution both at the rig level and on the development levels. We expect more rigs and those rigs to be very well managed, high-performance high-value rigs but they play well for us.

Sean Meakim

Analyst

Thank you for that feedback. I appreciate that. Can you give us a sense of just thinking about Canada and the back half being quite important and still pretty open-ended. How do you think your discussions with customers could play out as we get through spring breakup and you have that second round of budget discussions, your customers will undergo. Do you think -- will that cadence be typical or do you think they'll press a desire to get as much price discovery as they can. When do you think you'll start to get better visibility on what the back half looks like?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst

Sean, I expect to have a little bit more visibility. This is really not that much different than any season where our customers want to get through publishing their Q1 results before they get really serious about booking up and locking in rigs for Q3. So their focused on messaging to the investors, what they've done, how they've accomplished their first quarter and then they get serious about their Q3 plans. Because really the Q2 periods are real flat and just about bad rigs and pretty quiet period. So we're maybe it's slightly behind that normal negotiating cycle but what it's not that surprising. What we are hearing though is that it looks like activity is going to ramp up like it would normally but not -- we're not expecting things to get back to 2018 levels. But the 33% gap that we saw during Q1 and now Q2 could narrow in July.

Sean Meakim

Analyst

Right. That makes sense. And one more, if I could on free cash, that one data point I wanted to get from you all. Could you maybe just give us a sense of, obviously you've done a very good job of generating free cash here recently and it's the key focus. Could you maybe just give us a sense of the expectations around the working capital cadence? It's a pretty strong draw early in the year, not unsurprising from that perspective but as you go through the year, do you expect working capital to be a source of cash for the balance of the year or what can it look like on a full year basis?

Carey Ford

Analyst

Sean, it's Carey. So we did have a bit larger draw in Q1 which is typical when we have a higher seasonal activity in Q1. We didn't experience as big of a ramp in Q1 as we typically do but we had some other draw on cash payments year-in payments and the new IFRS lease standard put about a $12 million increase in working capital. So I think throughout the rest of the year, it can be activity-dependent and I wouldn't expect us to have either a big source of cash from working capital or a big use of cash given where we see the market trending right from the first year to the end of the year.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Kurt Hallead with RBC.

Kurt Hallead

Analyst · RBC.

So Kevin, pretty good rundown I think we've got a pretty good feel of the kind of near-term expectations on kind of what's going on in U.S., what's going on in Canada from a land drilling perspective. One thing you didn't mention though was, it's kind of been dramatic here is higher degree of focus on kind of the better operations and efficiency, companies that have the most efficiency and then you referenced demonstrating that performance differential can get you rewarded. As what I see, can you give us some indication what are the key performance indicators that you are being benchmarked against. How does it may be defer within the variant basins in the U.S. How does it differ in Canada. Can you give a more, kind of perspectives on that if you can.

Kevin Neveu

Analyst · RBC.

Yes, Kurt, that's a very complex question. The KPIs with our customers range from something as simple as simply our day rate, which would be the most basic and at least helpful for us to several customers where we have literally hundreds of KPIs around every process, every activity of the rig. So it's a wide range. I will tell you though that the most sophisticated operators that focus on the drilling process tend towards higher end of capturing data. And historically, that data's been captured in 50 minute increments using the tower sheet process. So you are capturing 200 millisecond increments. And we're able to break down the drilling process into every single movement on the joystick or every single timing on when we engage the step. So with our best customers, where the lean philosophy is kind of rolling through everything they do. We're satisfying that quite well. And -- but even with kind of moderately sophisticated customers, will be measuring anywhere from 20 to 100 KPIs per day on a 50 minute or even 200 millisecond increments and all of that's helping us to improve the drilling process. I mentioned on earlier, some examples the DJ Basin where we're drilling these 10,000-foot laterals, 20 some thousand feet long and 14 days consistently over and over, moving rigs in less than 45 minutes from start to release on the pad. Those are jobs where we are measuring more than 100 KPIs, imagine the operation down to every step of the rig. Is that helpful?

Kurt Hallead

Analyst · RBC.

That's helpful in that context. When you talk about getting rewarded for it, does that mean that you get kind of the better day rate or is just mean that you don't have to give up any day rate like in a market environment we're looking at right now?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst · RBC.

I'll make a couple of comments broadly and it's -- since the period day rates right now, there are some contracts that are being negotiated and signed off. Generally speaking, if we can prove the rig has strong operating efficiency, the day rig discussion is less meaningful. If we can prove through data that the rig has strong operating efficiency and the price will have some further discussion, generally speaking. I'll also tell you that we'd identify now several rig jobs we have because we have automation on the rigs, we identify that, we can identify one of the rig moves from Canada to U.S. because we have the data technology. So we're moving beyond aspirational [indiscernible] automation aspirational stories about data into measurable market share and measurable activity tied to performance.

Kurt Hallead

Analyst · RBC.

Okay, that's helpful. So maybe we could segway from there, you talked about the automation and the technology and the expectation we had, be commercially viable I think by the end of the year on a certain number of rigs. Could you elaborate that on that a little bit more and give us some sense of kind of what the uptake has been and kind of the feedback loop has been with the E&P companies?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst · RBC.

Sure. First of all, on the last conference call, I talked about field resistance being greater than expected and I'll come to that now because that's what we're managing right now. Doing a pretty good job. So what we're doing, Kurt. is there are two pieces. We're automating everything the driller does, and we're also putting drilling apps that control things like sticks' length and vibration harmonics and digital guidance for the wellbore. So we call our process automation automating on the driller functions so the driller can sit back and actually watch the operation rather than control of the equipment on an ongoing basis. So that piece on that piece, that changes the jobs dramatically, changes the drillers job, it change of the Company's man, it could even change drilling engineer's job. That requires a lot of training, a lot of interaction, lot of work with customers. If we can get the driller hands-off, within 70% of the time, the value is broadly demonstrable. So again a company man, getting the drilling engineer, getting our driller all synched, and have the driller go hands-off 70% of the time is the tipping point for us where the value is apparent and we can charge our $1,500 per day and everybody wins. The value is delivered, we get the EBITDA and the rig performs better. That's on the Process Automation Control. Moving to the drilling apps like stick-slip, and harmonics and digital guidance, those are apps that control deposition and streak dynamics and kind of things that are happening when you pull weight on the bit, and as I mentioned, we have got 3 of those that are transitioning now and we expect likely in the third quarter those will be earning the revenue as line items. Is that helpful?

Kurt Hallead

Analyst · RBC.

Now, that's helpful. And one last thing Kevin, you referenced the ability to mobilize rigs from Canada down to the U.S. on a moment's notice depending on the relative opportunity. So can you give us some indications as to what's the relative operative. What does it mean in terms of the potential activity levels in Canada in the back half of the year. What would have to transpire or not have to transpire for you to say, "Hey, it's better for us to move some stuff out of Canada." I'm really referring to that, Kevin, in the context of you, I would imagine, you guys would think that it's more than just say the back half of '19 doesn't look that great. It's got to be more perspective I would imagine you think only in the back half of '19 in Canada, may not all look great but maybe more like 2020, 2021 or longer-term dynamic. Can you give us some perspectives on that please?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst · RBC.

Yes, that's also a pretty key question. So far, we've only moved 2 rigs from Canada to the U.S. Just 2, leaving over 25, 26 rigs in Canada. And through Q1, those rigs were over 90% utilized. It looks like they'll be over 90% utilized in Q3 and Q4. If that utilization plays out, if the pricing stay strong. I doubt we'll move anymore rigs. And if the performance of those rigs continues, i.e., we begin the roll out for the automation, I think, that performance will just look better and better. It's quite likely that we move no more rigs to the U.S. quite likely. Now if something changes and things for whatever reason turn more negative in Canada, resulting will be astounding.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Taylor Zurcher with Tudor, Pickering, Holt.

Taylor Zurcher

Analyst · Tudor, Pickering, Holt.

Kevin, in the U.S, your rig account activity levels have remained frankly remarkably resilient over the past several quarters and so clearly you're adding an additional or performing additional upgrade for I think Q3. Question is, with the recent oil price momentum, it feels like $65 WTI is generating a bit of a buzz as it relates to a potential second-half rig count recovery, at least on the margin. My question is, with what you're seeing today, has the tone or dialogue with some of your customers noticeably changed at all over the past several months with respect to adding activity or is it right now, really just kind of a wait-and-see type thing as it relates to how improved this oil price momentum might translate into increased drilling activity in the back half?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst · Tudor, Pickering, Holt.

Taylor, some of those comments made earlier about our Canadian customers and messaging around in the quarter I will tell you that everything we hear from our customers in the U.S. remains focused on fiscal discipline, capital efficiency, returning capital to shareholders. There has been no change in the narrative by our customers. Now that's worked up quite well for us. In fact, if we have rigs that have been leased by 1 operator we've got no trouble getting those rigs rebooked with another operator who is looking to improve his efficiency. So I think that you mentioned that our activities are resilient I think that's a result of $3.5 billion of investments in the first half on high quality rigs and rigs that if they get released by an operator, they get picked up without a miss, without a day being missed by another operator through high grading. But the fundamental question you asked me was has there been a change in term by our customers, not at the operating level, not at the corporate level, they're focused on fiscal discipline and we'll see what happens once they get through Q1, once they get through Q2. My expectation is that if they're achieving substantially higher cash receipts halfway through the year, they might have a way to do both. Both return capital to shareholders, despite the increased drilling.

Taylor Zurcher

Analyst · Tudor, Pickering, Holt.

Okay, that's helpful. Follow-ups in the C&P segment, Q1 is probably the second or third straight quarter of really strong improved performance. Looking ahead, it looked like in Q1 at least part of the top line improvement sequentially and year-over-year was due to some nontraditional well servicing tech activities. So my question is, looking beyond the spring break, you do you think you can sustain that type of strong top line performance and is the sort of mid-to high teens even the margin that you've been run rating in the past couple of quarters, is that something that you think is sustainable for the back half of the year?

Carey Ford

Analyst · Tudor, Pickering, Holt.

We do. One part of our business and the decision with the accounts business that has both a quarter than what we expected. But it's not one that we hope is repeatable.

Operator

Operator

And our following question comes from J.B. Lowe with Citi.

J.B. Lowe

Analyst

Just had a question on the upgrade you guys did to the ST-1500. You said it was $6 million for the upgrade?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst

It was actually a DC SCR rig, and it was a full-time walking rig. So just converting rig from DC SCR to a full AC suite which needs more -- and so it's more power lineup -- power control lineup at driller's cabin some accessories like that on the rig. But I would say, [Nick]is that our rig fleet, both our DC SCR or AC rigs we can figure to handle the higher hook loads and larger racking capacity that is required along these wells. So we just don't expect to have a large magnitude upgrades as we require in some cases to get rigs up to leading a start [indiscernible].

J.B. Lowe

Analyst

Right now for sure. Is that $6 million, that's going to be all paid back within the contract term of the contracts you have going on with the Permian, right?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst

It will be more than paid back.

J.B. Lowe

Analyst

Yes, okay, perfect. And how many more, I guess opportunities would you have on the DC-AC side to kind of duplicate this type of upgrade?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst

Well, we have a dozen more of those rigs parked in the U.S. right now. Some of them are running actually right now. They can go through similar upgrade, but I'll be clear, at this point, nothing's in our capital plan and hitting debt reduction targets are the priority.

J.B. Lowe

Analyst

How many of those -- how many of the 12 are actually running?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst

We don't a number to say but it could be 3 or 4. And many of those rigs have full capabilities already built-in.

J.B. Lowe

Analyst

Right, right. I get that. Follow-up question is on the Marcellus rigs, that you guys moved, where did you end up placing those rigs?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst

So we moved 1 rig from Canada to the Marcellus. I think that rig, Gene, can you tell me where the rig is, is it in Pennsylvania or is it West Virginia? It's in West Virginia. We have 2 rigs we expect to move from the SCOOP/STACK to the Haynesville later this quarter.

J.B. Lowe

Analyst

Okay. Sorry, I thought you said you were moving rigs out of the Marcellus.

Kevin Neveu

Analyst

Nothing moving out of the Marcellus. We did have our rig crane pull back a rig or 2 to the Marcellus during the first quarter but we've been able to maintain our rig count.

J.B. Lowe

Analyst

Okay, perfect. Last question, just on the international day rate came down a little bit. Is any of that due to the contract extensions you received with Saudi or were those kind of at the same rate they were already working on, this is just kind of regular rate fluctuations?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst

The contract extensions in Saudi will be incremental to EBITDA. And the contract extensions in Kuwait are flat at the current EBITDA rates. And the small variance in day rates is just a function of how many move days we have in any given month.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Connor Lynagh of Morgan Stanley.

Connor Lynagh

Analyst

Obviously you guys have been doing a great job on the debt reduction. I wanted to just clarify, you referenced a 2x leverage target. Is that on the current EBITDA run rate, is that on a -- eventually higher run rate if things improved particularly in Canada, how do you think about that?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst

I'll let Carey kind of follow in, but we said we see potentially 2x debt to EBITDA on the horizon. Carey, you want to give anymore color?

Carey Ford

Analyst

Sure. So I think Connor, will you look at where consensus for this year and I'll point you to the specific number but if you look at us getting to the high-end of our first our debt reduction range and where consensus is, we should be somewhere in mid-3s on debt to EBITDA again in the year with slightly improving activity next year in a similar debt reduction, we will be into the 2s. So I think we are putting a point in time in the future when we think we'll get there but in the next 2 to 3 years, we think, without anything drastic changing, we should get there.

Kevin Neveu

Analyst

And with steps for assets sale we think we can accelerate our plans.

Connor Lynagh

Analyst

Yes, on that note, Kevin, how do you think about the remaining potential assets for sale, I mean you've got the legacy rigs in Canada correct. What else is there potentially to -- that you can part with?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst

So I'll just mention that we're not in a position where we're in a hurry to do anything. We've got a great liquidity position. We've almost chipped away all of our December 2021 note and the next due until December '23. So I would look for us to do something similar to what we've done this quarter, which is opportunistically when we find a good transaction it makes sense at a good price and it doesn't really impact our cash flow generation capabilities. We'd like a move on that. So I think the Mexican transactions, the Saudi transaction and the Terra Water transaction were all opportunistic transactions for us.

Connor Lynagh

Analyst

Makes sense. Just one, unrelated follow-up here. And I apologize if I missed this in your comments. Have you guys quantified when you get full commercialization on these apps, what the incremental EBITDA impact could be, as we exit the year here?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst

We're getting guidance around the rigs for each sort of line items, so of course we've been saying with the process automation control platform would be $1,500 per day, we have 31 of those deployed to the field. We've been talking about apps having pricing in the $200 to 600 range depending on whether we're hosting the app for holding the app. We've gotten towards something like 1 to 4 apps per rig and that number may go up actually because the app demand seems to be stronger than I would have expected originally. But I expect later this year, we can start to update our guidance on the technology stream.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from John Watson with Simmons.

John Watson

Analyst · Simmons.

Kevin, I think in response to the last question, you talked about resilience of Precision's rig count, which we've clearly seen, I have a quick follow-up on that. I know you haven't seen any net losses in your rig count thus far in 2019. Have you seen gross losses or could you quantify how many of those might be where you lose a rig and you pick one up right after?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst · Simmons.

I think our rig count dropped -- our active rig count dropped below 80 for about 4 days this month. Sorry, in fact that would be the month of April, not even March. I think we reported an average rig count to the first quarter was 79 rigs. And so that gives you a sense of where we're at. We really haven't lost many days where we've had a rig down for any kind of period of time beyond the rig move itself as we transition from 1 customer to another customer. I commented that our rig count at Marcellus came down 1 or 2, obviously we picked up something else and another basin develops it out.

John Watson

Analyst · Simmons.

That's perfect. Okay, okay. Got it. And understand if this is too sensitive and you rather not answer but I think on the last call, you mentioned intense competition in the 23,000 to 25,000 day rate range. Is that still the case today? Have there been any been changes in that environment?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst · Simmons.

Oh, I actually think that, that's been the case through most of the fourth -- first quarter into the second quarter. I think until we see rig counts at the gross level moving up, I think that there will be a little bit more rig-on-rig competition. But I'll come back and say that actually I think we achieved a little better EBITDA margins in the first quarter than we guided to. So in fact the rate increases that we felt are going through, that we guided towards earlier for Q1, materialize possible and we've guided towards a strong margin through the second quarter. So I don't expect any negative impacts from the renewal prices at this point.

John Watson

Analyst · Simmons.

Okay, okay, great. And the new contract that you've signed should we think about those in terms of regardless of price should we think about those being a similar term and structure to your other contracts?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst · Simmons.

Short answer, yes.

Operator

Operator

And our following question comes from Ian Gillies with GMP.

Ian Gillies

Analyst

In Canada, are you seeing any signs of margin tailwinds or potential for margin improvements just on the basis of the changing government here?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst

Certainly, I would tell you the mood of our customers has changed dramatically. Know question about that. And that's right across the Boards. But I think the mood of our customers are also being propped up by narrow differentials and by the support of exchange rate and you don't really watch how our customers report their first quarter results, and almost had great results a few days with cash flow and have got 10 or 15 days of results come through right now. I think there's going to be a little better tone for a client base today than they might have been even just 3 weeks ago.

Ian Gillies

Analyst

Okay.

Kevin Neveu

Analyst

Few minutes ago I came back from a federal government meeting, Federal government approved financing for a small geothermal project, the Precision's partner in and we attended the awards just a couple of hours ago and had a chance to talk to federal energy minister. He assured us that, for example, the review process on - the federal government review process on the Trans Mountain pipeline will be concluded by the June 18 deadline and the cabinet would be in a position to make a decision. That was encouraging to hear. So there are certainly positive signals popping up both provincially and federally.

Ian Gillies

Analyst

That's helpful. I believe the TMX piece when I see it but.

Kevin Neveu

Analyst

So the government cabinet will be in a position to make a decision.

Ian Gillies

Analyst

For sure. Maybe switching gears a bit, I know there's only a couple ST-1500's in Canada, but can you maybe can you walk us through the decision to the process of converting the SCR rather then just transferring rigs from Canada at this point in time?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst

That was simply the best use of cash and the fastest payback. The 3 ST-1500s in Canada have good opportunities in front of them apparently, we'll see if they emerge later in the quarter.

Ian Gillies

Analyst

Okay, on the rig technology side, I mean there's been a lot of talk about it in the call. Do you think you're a long way from having its own line item in the financial statements or some sort of disclosure there. I mean just given the focus there?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst

I'm not sure that we'll report a line item for rig technology, we don't report whether it is a line item, or rather ala carte items on the drilling rig but does flow through our EBITDA margins and I would expect to see. We've always had a favorable position relative to our competition in Canada margins, part of it due to our value part of it due to a rig mix and we think this is both in Canada and U.S. will flow through our margins.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Jon Morrison with CIBC Capital Markets.

Jon Morrison

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets.

In terms of the improvement in profitability within CPS. How much of that was cost cutting versus being more selective with the work that you're willing to take on in their businesses. I'm assuming the core pricing across the industry isn't going higher within that business.

Kevin Neveu

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets.

I think that's correct, John. It's a mix of cost cutting so we've had a lot of initiatives here in the last 2 years on reducing the cost structure in that business and we've been successful. I'd say the other part of it, as you characterize it, it's being more selective about the business, a little bit more 24-hour work and matching up investor rigs at the best opportunities.

Jon Morrison

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets.

Is there anything that you guys are seeing right now in terms of a shift in customer willingness to sign different duration contracts than you typically see in the U.S.? I guess the question is, was the duration on the most recent contracts signed meaningfully shorter, longer than the last 18 rigs that were signed?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets.

No, on the average it might be slightly shorter but we've had some contracts stretching into years and some were shorter than 6 months, so I think the mix really hasn't changed that much.

Ashley Connolly

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets.

Jon, I'm actually a little surprised by the number of term contracts signed during the quarter, especially with all of the rhetoric around the uncertainty and quality concern. I think our team did a great getting the right customers and getting those rates locked in.

Jon Morrison

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets.

And obviously, given the crude momentum today, it would feel like that, that could be re-signed. But given what went on in the quarter, it was obviously a good win.

Kevin Neveu

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets.

Yes. It's been one that was signed before crude began moving in a meaningful way.

Jon Morrison

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets.

For sure. I realize, I was always focused on leading-edge pricing as that seemed to be the core indicator of where things are heading. But just broad strokes, how do you think about average realized pricing for Precision in Canada and the U.S., over the next 6, 12 months, 18 months? Broadly flat? Up a touch? Down a touch? What should people expect?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets.

Which commodity price deck do you want me to answer to?

Jon Morrison

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets.

We'll use the current strip.

Kevin Neveu

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets.

If we use the current pricing trends, I expect rates will trend up in the U.S., on average. Expect utilization will trend up, again, looking into the third and fourth quarter and not the second quarter. And I think Canada has room to move up from the really depressed levels that we saw in the first quarter on utilization. And if we hold rates from Q1 and Q4 into Q3 and Q4 of this year, I'd be pretty happy. Utilization picks up, and we get closer to 2018 levels.

Jon Morrison

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets.

Is it fair to assume that you wouldn't expect any incremental pricing pressure in Canada from this point forward across any rig class given what's already transpired for pricing in Canada?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets.

Yes. Jon, outside the Deep Basin, outside that Super Triple market, I think there will pricing pressure. But we're attributing most of our cash flow to the big Deep Basin rigs. If for whatever -- I said on the call, if for whatever reason we see pricing erosion on our Super Triples, we know how to put those rigs to work in the U.S., and we know how much we pay for the move.

Jon Morrison

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets.

Okay. Is there any additional commentary you can give around the deeper and higher-spec market in Canada? And I guess is there growing concerns of scarcity emerging with your customers that would be more selling to long-term contract today that may have existed 3 or 6 months ago? Just considering the amount of rigs that have left the basin, like we're down 25, it's probably only mid 50s left for our higher-spec triple in Canada. So is this causing enough heartburn that you're actually seeing that is willing to engage in conversations today than maybe they didn't in the past.

Kevin Neveu

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets.

Jon, I think, theoretically, you're correct, and I think that's already into their minds. We just haven't seen it play -- it hasn't played out yet in customer discussions yet. And it's probably a timing question not a market question. I mean timing's been -- Q1 has been lousy. Get through Q1, figure out where the world lies, figure out what the strip looks like and get the Q1 reports out to the public, get Q2 planned-- get Q3 planned later this quarter. I think it's possible those discussions could start late this quarter into next quarter for long-term contracts, maybe even better pricing on our Triple rigs. But it goes the other direction, for whatever reason, we see negative momentum pricing or reduced utilization. I think ourselves and I think others will move rigs into this market. There's no question we can put an ST-1500 to work in the U.S. right now. Right now, today, our U.S. day rate would probably gives us a better return than the depressed rate up in Canada.

Jon Morrison

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets.

Is the decision to move an incremental rig from Canada to the U.S. largely a function of covering the molt cost and contract duration then? Or you're really waiting to see what happens with spending profiles in Canada before you really comment?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets.

Well, short answer is, the rigs are booked right now. Those are booked at rates we like. If that changes, then our view would change.

Jon Morrison

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets.

Okay. Just the last one for me. In terms of the idle rigs you have in Kurdistan, would you need to win a multi-rig program to mobilize those rigs in a new country? Or can you operate one or 2 rigs outside of Saudi and Kuwait and make money?

Kevin Neveu

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets.

We could probably operate anywhere in the Gulf region, which would include -- could be Bahrain, could be Qatar, could be Oman or Iraq or Kurdistan on a 1-rig basis because we can mobilize out of Kuwait, out of Saudi or out of Dubai to support that rig. We have to look at that investment to make sure we have the right rig or work we do to the rig is paid back in the contract, we make the move. But I think we can operate one rig on an accretive basis anywhere in the Gulf region.

Operator

Operator

And I'm showing no further question at this time. I would now like to turn the call back to Ashley Connolly for closing remarks.

Ashley Connolly

Analyst

Thank you. And thank you all for joining today's call. Look forward to speaking with you when we report our second quarter results in July. Have a good day.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude the program, and you may all disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.