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Public Service Enterprise Group Incorporated (PEG)

Q4 2025 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 26, 2026

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to Public Service Enterprise Group Incorporated's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2025 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Rob, and I will be your operator today. At this time, all participants will be in listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session for members of the financial community. At that time, if you have a question, you will need to press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, press star then the number two. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star then zero. As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded today, February 26, 2026, and will be available for replay as an audio webcast on Public Service Enterprise Group Incorporated’s Investor Relations website at investors.pseg.com. I would now like to turn the call over to Carlotta Chan. Please go ahead.

Carlotta Chan

Management

Good morning, and welcome to Public Service Enterprise Group Incorporated's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2025 Earnings Presentation. On today's call are Ralph LaRossa, Chair, President and CEO, and Daniel J. Cregg, Executive Vice President and CFO. During today's call, we will discuss non-GAAP operating earnings, which differ from net income as reported in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP) in the United States. We include reconciliations of our non-GAAP financial measures and a disclaimer regarding forward-looking statements on our IR website and in today's materials. Public Service Enterprise Group Incorporated's earnings release, attachments, and slides for today's discussion are posted on our IR website at investors.pseg.com. We will also discuss forward-looking statements and estimates that are subject to various risks and uncertainties. Our 10-Ks will be filed later today. Following our prepared remarks, we will conduct a 30-minute question-and-answer session. I will now turn the call over to Ralph LaRossa.

Ralph LaRossa

Management

Thank you, Carlotta. And thank you all for joining us to review Public Service Enterprise Group Incorporated's fourth quarter and full year 2025 financial and operating results and our financial outlook for the year ahead, and our long-term projections through 2030. But before I dive in, I would like to thank our employees who, once again this past week, prepared and restored our system from yet another intense combination of winter weather and single-digit temperatures that brought over two feet of heavy snow and 60-mile-per-hour winds to our service areas in New Jersey and Long Island. I cannot say enough about our crews' dedication throughout this entire winter season working in freezing conditions to keep the lights on and our customers warm. Now, starting with our financial results, Public Service Enterprise Group Incorporated reported net income of $0.63 per share for the fourth quarter and $4.22 per share for the full year of 2025. Our non-GAAP operating earnings were $0.72 per share for the fourth quarter and $4.05 per share for the full year of 2025. Also, earlier today, we announced our dividend declaration for 2026, setting the indicative annual rate at $2.68 per share. This is a $0.16 per share increase, an increase of approximately 6% over last year's dividend and higher than last year's increase of $0.12 per share, all reinforced by our confidence in our long-term projection. Starting with operations, on 02/07/2026, we had a seasonal gas send-out peak when temperatures dipped below 10 degrees Fahrenheit, registering the fifth-highest send-out in our history. During that same cold snap, PSE&G's appliance service business responded to nearly 2,000 no-heat calls per day compared to an average of 600 calls on a typical winter day, and our electrical systems also performed well, with a comparatively small group of customers affected,…

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

Thank you, Ralph. And good morning, everyone. Public Service Enterprise Group Incorporated reported net income of $4.22 per share for the full year of 2025, compared to net income of $3.54 per share for 2024. For the fourth quarter of 2025, net income was $0.63 per share, compared to $0.57 per share in 2024, and non-GAAP operating earnings were $0.72 per share for 2025, compared to $0.84 per share in 2024. Slides eight and ten detail the contribution to non-GAAP operating earnings per share by business segment for the fourth quarter and full year of 2025. PSE&G reported non-GAAP operating earnings of $352 million for 2025 compared to $378 million in 2024. Compared to 2024, distribution margin increased by $0.07 per share, mostly reflecting incremental gas margin from the third quarter GSMP II roll-in, an increase in the number of customers, and higher gas demand. Higher investment in energy efficiency also contributed to distribution margin in the quarter. On the expense side, distribution O&M increased $0.04 per share compared to 2024, primarily due to higher reserves related to bad debt and operational costs. Weather during the fourth quarter, measured by heating degree days, was 9% colder than normal and 23% colder than 2024. As a reminder, the Conservation Incentive Program, or CIP, decouples weather and other economic sales variances from a significant portion of our distribution margin, all while helping PSE&G promote the widespread adoption of energy conservation, including energy efficiency and solar programs. Under this CIP, the number of electric and gas customers drives margin, and the residential customer growth for both segments was approximately 1% in 2025. Depreciation and interest expense rose by $0.20 per share, reflecting higher levels of depreciable plant and long-term debt at higher interest rates. Lastly, distribution-related taxes were $0.05 per share higher compared…

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. If your question has been answered and you wish to withdraw your polling request, you may do so by pressing star then the number two. If you are on a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before entering your request. One moment, please, for the first question. The first question is from the line of Shahriar Pourreza with Wells Fargo.

Shahriar Pourreza

Analyst

Hey. Good morning. Hey, guys. Good morning. Good morning, Ralph. How are you doing?

Ralph LaRossa

Management

We are good. How are you?

Shahriar Pourreza

Analyst

Not too bad. Not too bad. Busy. Busy. Can you just maybe talk about the timing of the bill, so next steps, will there be, like, an IRP process? Could there be, like, a PPA where you earn a return on the PPA, assuming a generator wins the RFP? And how do we, like, work through things like air permits and turbine queue backlogs? I guess, how do you think about this whole process around this for some time around new gas?

Ralph LaRossa

Management

Yeah. Boy, there is a lot there. But you also answered your own question a little bit. That is your answer, Shar. Because, you know, much of it is in play, right? As you said. And many of those variables that you laid out are the exact variables that policymakers need to come to grips with. Right? So there are a couple of bills that are floating down in Trenton right now that will help enable new nuclear and potentially new gas. I think the governor already has the ability to move on a lot of solar and potentially battery storage. So the way we have been thinking about it is trying to help policymakers think through and then enable the opportunities for gas or for new nuclear. And that is really what we have been trying to do is help them think through that at this point. It does not drive the output. The IRP will make recommendations as policymakers will, in quite a few different settings, and they will be the ones that really own that as they go forward. But I think that process, again, just informs the output. We could help out with an IRP for New Jersey. We could help out with an IRP for PSEG. We do all the time on Long Island. But they are not going to be the decisions. They do not carry the word of law. Right?

Shahriar Pourreza

Analyst

Got it. And then just lastly, can you just maybe help us quantify, like, what level of hedges and upside versus the PTC you are kind of embedding in that 6% to 8%? Is the bottom end of that CAGR kind of anchored in PTC out years?

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

And so I think you are looking more at a market view to try to get you to what that out year looks like. I think that market view is supported by some of the fundamentals that you are seeing out there. And if and as that moves over time, which we would expect that it would, we will take that into account as we are making our comments and updating what is going on. But I think that is the way to think about it.

Shahriar Pourreza

Analyst

Got it. That is perfect. Thank you, guys, so much. Much appreciated.

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

Thanks, Shar.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Nick Campanella with Barclays.

Nicholas Campanella

Analyst

Good morning, everyone. Thanks for the updates.

Ralph LaRossa

Management

Good morning, Nick.

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

Thank you.

Nicholas Campanella

Analyst

You know, when you had a five to seven, you kind of talked about it being nonlinear. And now you have the six to eight, which is great to see. And I just recognize you have things like refueling outages and timing of rate case outcome at some point in this plan. So just maybe you can talk to whether this CAGR is linear or not? And you may fall within the CAGR 27, 28, and just the kind of critical drivers that people should be paying attention to here? Thank you.

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

Yeah. So, Nick, I think, you know, we have talked about for the last three years about being more predictable. And, yes, our goal remains to be as linear as possible. But we work really hard to do that. Right? There will be structural changes that happen where we have to modify, and right now, I think the structural change has been the supply-demand curve, and we have seen that. And it has taken us above the PTC floor. So we adjusted. Our goal remains the same, which is to be a predictable, delivering the results that we said we were going to deliver. And I think we have been able to achieve that by investment. So with that is our effort to be as linear as possible. That does not mean we will be 100% linear. But I think our, you know, effort is to continue to be as predictable as we can be. And we feel confident in the plan that we put forth today.

Nicholas Campanella

Analyst

Thank you. And I recognize that you forecasted the base off a higher midpoint of 26 as well. So, thank you for that. Maybe just, you also can talk about, you know, nuclear contracting. You talked about nuclear contracting to kind of put you above that range. Just maybe what is the latest thoughts on that at this point? I know the prior state administration was very focused on bringing data centers to the state. How is that kind of looking over this new administration? And just maybe anything you can offer, the most near-term things that you ought to be able to think about as this administration comes in and settles in on their views on this, and what your conversations have kind of been with customers on that? Thank you.

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

Yeah, Nick. And I think that the story is fairly consistent. I think that, obviously, the facilities that we do have in Pennsylvania, where I think there has been a more firm view over time and more stability with respect to who has been in the governor's office there, as well as some of the smaller opportunities that we have more locally within New Jersey. And we have talked about a lot of the applications that the utility has seen. And so there is, I think, less opportunity for something of a sizable scale in New Jersey just from the standpoint of where the administration has been. To the extent that that changes and the receptivity is increased there, there could be incremental opportunity. But I think for the time being, the more fertile ground right now would be Pennsylvania for something larger and some of the smaller New Jersey locations, and I think those discussions have progressed well.

Ralph LaRossa

Management

Yeah. And I would just add, Nick, just from a normal rhythm of transition for administration like this, in the way it works in New Jersey, there is a real focus now. First of all, let us staff up, and I think the governor has done a great job of getting a number of people in place not just in our industry, but in other areas that matter to the state run well. And I think the second thing they need to do is really focus on the budget for New Jersey. And so that is where my understanding from conversations we have had is the focus of the governor right now. When she gets through that process, I think economic development will be right behind that as an area of focus, and we are already having conversations on that. I chair, Choose New Jersey, about the role we will play in the organization and the areas of focus, but that has not been finalized yet.

Nicholas Campanella

Analyst

Understand that this RBA process is going on right now. And there are discussions around extending the RPM collar for another two years and extending, you know, a, a week or two ago, a $4.20 per megawatt-day number was kind of thrown out there. Just what are your kind of thoughts on that? Okay. And then if I could just throw in one follow-up on through 2030, and then what is kind of embedded at the current cap rate in the plan?

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

Look. I think embedded within your question, Nick, is the fact that you have got a market out there where you can see what things are looking like, but it will remain somewhat dynamic as you step through time. And that is the best information that we have as well. And so what we are doing is trying to look at what that looks like. I think we feel good about where we are and how it all fits together within the plan. But I think it is those same market signals that we see that you are seeing out there. I mean, a reminder, I would highlight the fact that the location of our facilities is in the PECO zone. So if you are thinking about pricing and trying to do math to figure out what this means in the out years, that zone is most highly correlated to the actual generator buses where we run. So West Hub trades north of that. We said it trades about 20% above what we would be seeing from where our generator bus is. And so it is those market points that we look at to try to derive where we are headed within the plan and what we put forth to you. And we think we are in a really good place against that backdrop, but that is what we look at as we go forward.

Nicholas Campanella

Analyst

Okay. I appreciate the thought. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from the line of William Appicelli with UBS.

Ralph LaRossa

Management

Morning, Bill.

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

Rob, maybe you want to go to another one and see if Bill rejoins?

Operator

Operator

Sure. The next question would be from the line of Julien Patrick Dumoulin-Smith with Jefferies.

Julien Patrick Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

Hey, Julian. Hi, Julian. Hey. Good morning to you guys. Thanks for the time. I appreciate it. Look. Let me follow, and by the way, nicely done on the CAGR increase. Got to hand it to you guys. If I could, on the gist of what Shar and Nick were asking us about here. Let us talk about the overlap between the BPU here and what next steps are from both and how they might overlap. Right? Because clearly, there is a certain degree of legislative process of mutual alignment between the two in theory. Can you comment a little bit on timeline? I know Shar was kind of pressing at that as well here.

Ralph LaRossa

Management

Yeah. Look. I think you are going to have a little bit of give and take that will continue as people find their footing in this new legislative area and how the regulator is going to work. The administration is finding their footing, but the administration recently introduced these two bills that would kind of direct the BPU to do certain things. The BPU has the ability to do certain things today. You know, go out and procure gas, to go out and procure new nuclear. Right? We had the exact process in the past. But they are limited in what they can do. So they could use a little more direction to make the process a little cleaner for them by some legislative changes. So I think I cannot tell you it is going to happen in the next 30 days, and I cannot tell you it is going to happen in the next six months. And it all comes out of the back end of the last 12 months of discussions about the need for us to change that balance somehow. The scarcity is there, and we have got load increases that have taken place across PJM, even if we do not have a data center in New Jersey, and we do have higher electricity costs from a supply standpoint. The load increases are happening right across the river, and it is impacting the pricing here in New Jersey. So I think the BPU has recognized that they do not want to be in the same level of import that they are. I mean, policymakers feel the same way, and they want a little more control over the pricing of the product that ultimately residents of New Jersey hold us all accountable for.

Julien Patrick Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

Got it. And if I can zero in a little bit, guys, on the 2026 guide here, and thanks again for your help earlier, how do you think about what the breakdown is between the regulated utility side of that year-over-year increase versus what is reflected in power? And then even within power, can you comment a little bit about where you guys are hedged? I know you said you are 95% for this year. Just comment a little bit about where you are relative to that floor, if you will. Want to make sure we are all on the same page here. Just as that starting point.

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

Yeah. I mean, obviously, we are north of it because that is how we described it and how we put it out there. I think to go much beyond that, we would start to break down the pieces beyond what our overall guidance is. And so I think, just maybe repeating a little bit what I said before, Julian, if you think about what the market signals are that are out there, that is what we are leaning on. I would say that 2026, we gave you a 95% hedge. 2027, I think it is fair to say that we are largely hedged for that year. And in 2028, I think if you think about a ratable approach over three years that we have talked about, we have leveraged that liquidity to be able to hedge up a fair bit of 2027–2028, but 2029 and 2030 remain more subject to market forces as we go forward. Well, let me try this differently. How do you think about earned returns in the current year here for the utility and or what is implied year over year in growth on an EPS basis? Yeah. Look, Julian, I think we have been pretty clear about the fact that where the structural changes will make changes. And when the changes are not structural, we will look at what opportunity sets we have for maintenance activities that might be in a four-year cycle and try to look at that from a predictability standpoint for the investment community. So we look at our plans every year. We adjust to that. And, again, I just want to reinforce that we are really happy with the pattern that we have talked about from an earnings standpoint. We were really happy with the top end of the five to seven we have been running for the last couple of years, but we thought the scarcity issue of power was enough to change our thought process to be in that six to eight, based upon where prices are, driven by both the capacity and the energy side.

Julien Patrick Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

Excellent, guys. Thank you much.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from the line of William Appicelli with UBS.

William Appicelli

Analyst

Yes. Hi, Ralph. Dan. Thank you. Apologies for that technical problem. Just maybe building on some of these other incremental regulated capital investments, and forgive me if you already addressed it and I missed it. But I guess, where in the spectrum would those fall? And what types of projects are we talking about there?

Ralph LaRossa

Management

I think they come in really two buckets. Right? There is incremental transmission that is in the PJM region. We have been active in that process, and we are successful, as we have talked about a bunch of times, in Maryland. And we continue to look at those opportunities when they present themselves. There is a very specific effort going on in the state of New Jersey right now about being ready for solar. And the need for us to make sure that our distribution system is ready, that has been an ongoing process to continue to make sure that this focus on solar and batteries at the Board of Public Utilities, and there were comments received on that in the last couple weeks down there, if I recall correctly, can be enabled by the distribution system that they are going to be interconnecting to. And then the third bucket is the opportunity for us to participate on the generation side again, depending upon where policymakers land on that front. So I would say all three of those are the areas that we talk about around the table on a regular basis.

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

And then on top of that, Bill, I would just add that, embedded within kind of the base plan that we have in front of us, things that Ralph mentioned could add to that. I would still characterize what we put out as the updated capital forecast as there is nothing in there that is a single project that is a huge part of the capital. It is all stuff that sits in front of us and is shorter term in nature, and we can kind of knock out without a whole lot of red tape that we have got to get through or challenges we have got to get through. It is just kind of a basic set of capital that we know we can achieve.

Ralph LaRossa

Management

No. It is a really good point that Dan is saying. I mean, everything I just said is above and beyond. We are not building in a percentage of any one of those buckets as we put out this capital forecast. These are small projects that are really, 90% of them are being based upon end of life on the regulated side. So, you know, I have kind of been telling my family anyway, if you think about what we do every day in replacing the infrastructure, it is just like the Portal Bridge. For those of you that are in the New Jersey region and see New Jersey Transit delays right now as they upgrade that, the infrastructure in New Jersey is old and we have an opportunity to make upgrades as a result of that.

William Appicelli

Analyst

Alright. No. That is very helpful. And then just one other one on the O&M side. I guess, what is embedded, you know, in the plan in the six to eight? On that front? Just to do at the utility level.

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

Yeah. As we build our plan, and Ralph has often described it this way, we take a look at what is in front of us and whatever kind of an inflationary assumption we have there, and then we look to the businesses to try to pull back on that to end up in a more reasonable place from a cost-cutting perspective and overall cost management perspective. So, if you have got a 3% inflationary assumption, you can pull that down to 2% to 2.25%. Everybody is looking for opportunities within those budgets to try to move to a better place. So that is kind of how we structure it and how we move forward on it. We know that we do have our labor agreements that are running out through 2027, and those will get re-upped and have an effect as well. But we kind of lay out a baseline plan and then pull back some efficiencies to get to where our final plan lands.

Ralph LaRossa

Management

Bill, it is relatively flat with some inflation, and then we back it off, as Dan said. I know some people think we talk about, you know, finding pennies in the couches, which I actually like. My wife and I still have a little bucket that we put our pennies in. So it is not the worst thing in the world to go looking for them because they all add up at some point.

William Appicelli

Analyst

Okay. But some assumption on the re-upping of those labor agreements is reflected in this plan?

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

Oh, yeah. That is all in there. There are no expectations of major dislocation there.

William Appicelli

Analyst

Okay. Alright. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from the line of Michael P. Sullivan with Wolfe Research. Proceed with your question.

Michael P. Sullivan

Analyst

Good morning, Michael. Hey, Ralph. I think for a while now, you all have had in your slide deck over the forecast period 90% regulated earnings. Is that still true under this updated plan? Or any sense you can give us of what the mix is over the forecast period?

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

No. I mean, what I would tell you, Michael, is I hope that number goes down a lot because that means power prices are going to go up. We are going to do better. I would think about the utility side of the business continuing to do what it does, and to the extent that we see some movement up from a power price perspective, given the demand-supply dynamic that you are seeing, you might see a modest shift there. And again, kind of the tongue-in-cheek way of saying it is I hope it goes down a lot because that means that we are doing better on the other side of the business. But I would not think about any major shifts compared to what we have seen in the past. It is going to be more modest as we step through time.

Ralph LaRossa

Management

Okay. Michael, I may even go a little bolder than that. We have said this also for a long time in our decks. The PTC floor is a regulated-type return. And so when we think about it from that perspective, you could argue that the merchant is only above the PTC floor. Right? Because the federal government has regulated that PTC floor as the return for the nuclear plants. So I know it is not traditional regulated, but when we think about it from a risk profile standpoint, it sure feels a lot like that.

Michael P. Sullivan

Analyst

Okay. No. That is totally fair. But it just sounds like you are not going to tell us what your merchant assumption is above, out in time.

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

Well, we are going to tell you what our earnings projections are, and we are going to meet them as we have done.

Michael P. Sullivan

Analyst

Okay. And then on the utility side, I just think, historically, the rate base kind of rebase of the CAGR has been a bit higher than we saw this past year. And anything to make of that? Or what is kind of driving that?

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

Oh, from the standpoint of the baseline? Look. I would think about that rate base as growing the 6% to 7.5% that we have put out for the past couple of years. And I think that that is still consistent. I would say, to our credit, that has been on a growing base that for some years has been above that. And so continuing to grow 6% to 7.5% has been a consistent CAGR growth. To the extent that what you are implying is correctly that that rate base has grown more than that the last few years, we have continued to grow 6% to 7.5% off of that higher base, which implies a little bit higher growth.

Michael P. Sullivan

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from the line of Anthony Crowdell with Mizuho Securities. Please proceed with your questions.

Anthony Crowdell

Analyst

Hey. Good morning, team. Hey, Ralph. You went to double game last night. I hear the opening ceremonies are really exciting. Was he the fan applauding in the beginning? I know there was some booing going on of some of the elected officials. That is awesome. Hey. I just have a cleanup question. I believe the BPU is in a 180-day pause right now coming from the governor's executive order. I believe it is a 180-day pause of no increase in rates. Just curious if that includes outcomes of any of the rate riders. And then also, if you could talk about what happens at the end of the 180-day pause, maybe some of the things changed by the prior administration.

Ralph LaRossa

Management

Our esteemed CFO did. We did not make it down there last night, but our esteemed CFO did.

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

It was fantastic. Anthony, all I heard was USA chants, and they were deafening. It was fantastic. No. So, the pause that they put in place was on regulations that were passed in the months leading up to the election. And so they paused them. I do not know if it is 180 days or 90 days, but they basically said, hey, listen. If we were going to change the speed limit on the Turnpike and that was a change that was put in place by the prior administration, it will not go into effect for another 90 or 180 days. And so there were a few things there that were on the fringes to our business, but nothing after we did the review that would impact our business. And I mean that from a labor-wage standpoint, from a benefit standpoint, from any of the above. So no impact on that as a change, but those regulations were regulations that were changed by the prior administration in the months leading up to the election.

Anthony Crowdell

Analyst

No. That is fine. I know you are looking for pennies in the couch, but do you know when the 90-day ends?

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

Yeah. No. It is 90 days after she took office. So I want to say it is April, May. I think she took office on January 12 if my memory is right.

Anthony Crowdell

Analyst

Perfect. Thanks so much.

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

Thanks, Anthony.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Jeremy Tonet with JPMorgan.

Jeremy Tonet

Analyst

Hi. Good morning.

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

Good morning, Jeremy.

Jeremy Tonet

Analyst

Alright. Thanks for all the color today. Just one last question for me. As we think about future generation in the state of New Jersey, you have talked about the ability to host SMRs in the past. I am just wondering any updated thoughts you might be able to provide on how likely that is to, I guess, come to fruition or just thoughts on the topic in general.

Ralph LaRossa

Management

Yeah. I would put our—look, if we were advocating, we are advocating on a nuclear front for big nuclear. We think that that makes the most sense based upon our property and our footprint. But there could be other places where it makes sense for people to put small SMRs and to try that technology out. I think also from a gas facility standpoint, we have said that we have a site that makes a ton of sense where we have pipes and wires ready to it as well. So, yeah, SMRs, from our standpoint, would not be the highest and best use of our property. Remember, our early site permit is technology agnostic. So we could go in any direction on that. But we would be open to people if that was really what folks wanted us to enable.

Jeremy Tonet

Analyst

Got it. That is helpful. I will leave it there. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Nicholas Amicucci with Evercore ISI.

Nicholas Amicucci

Analyst

Hey, good morning, Ralph and Dan. How are you?

Ralph LaRossa

Management

Good morning, Nick.

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

I would hold on to those pennies because there is probably some scarcity value associated with that.

Ralph LaRossa

Management

Exactly. Exactly. They add up.

Nicholas Amicucci

Analyst

Yeah. So actually wanted to kind of continue down the nuclear rabbit hole here if we could for a little bit. Just as we think about, you know, kind of the nuclear fuel and how you guys are hedged out through, you know, over the course of the capital plan. Just knowing that, you know, Russia is kind of going offline in 2028. How are you guys kind of—are you guys kind of front-loading or kind of prebuying any type of nuclear fuel just to ensure that, you know, affordability kind of does not go too haywire?

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

Yeah. Look. When I start thinking about nuclear fuel, the first thing I think about is the fuel in the reactor because that is most of what we are going to be using for the next couple of years. Then I look to where we have contracted, and we are contracted out for the next few years for most of what we are going to need. I also think about what is going to be purchased from places where we are going to purchase from. And if I think about movements with respect to supply-demand pricing, you could see some modest movements in prices, but I do not think anything that is going to be all that dramatic. Prices that sit somewhere around $50 and fuel that sits somewhere around $78 on the overall scheme of things. The availability is a critical aspect for us, and I have no question that the fuel that is being produced is the fuel that is going to be produced. And if Russian fuel does not come here, Russian fuel will go somewhere, and that will displace fuel, and we are going to continue to see availability. It is only when you get to the tail end of that five-year period when things are going to change. And, not to get too deep into world markets, but I think conceptually, we are hedged out for the next couple of years in pretty good shape, and you could see some modest movement in prices.

Nicholas Amicucci

Analyst

Got it. Great. And then if I could as well, I know, Ralph, you have been kind of a big proponent on more large nuclear relative to SMRs. But I think if I understand correctly, Governor Sherrill is more—she is, just given her naval background, more in tune with SMRs. But is there anything, any kind of, I guess, appetite from her just given that, you know, we did have, a couple months ago, the DOE type of procurement of the 10 AP1000s. I mean, is there any opportunity for you guys to partake in those allocations, the Brookfield Westinghouse selection?

Ralph LaRossa

Management

Yeah. Look. I think we have said we will continue to educate and advocate on behalf of the state probably to a nauseam now. And so we will be there advocating that we want to help enable exactly that. I do not want to predetermine a selection for something like an AP1000. I think that is one that it appears that DOE is firmed up on, but I also hear that all the i’s are being dotted and t’s crossed. So we will be there advocating as far as we are going right now. And I think the education that is ongoing for the incoming administration is something that we are also trying to help with.

Nicholas Amicucci

Analyst

Perfect. Thanks, guys.

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our last question is from the line of David Arcaro with Morgan Stanley.

David Arcaro

Analyst

Hey. This is Amanda on for Dave. Thanks so much for taking my questions.

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

Hi, Amanda.

David Arcaro

Analyst

Hey. So maybe lastly, just on the executive orders, how are you thinking about the scope of the current BPU study? And are there any financial impacts currently contemplated in the long-term plan based on any potential changes? Or do you think it is still too early to assess those changes?

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

Yeah. I think it is too early right now. There are a lot of conversations going on. You can look across the country and see a number of different ways that things have changed from a regulatory standpoint and how utilities have been compensated for the utilities that have been involved. We have looked at many of those, and I think many of those at the end of the day have worked out. It is just a different way of thinking about things and providing those returns for those utilities. So we have not changed. We have not put any different regulatory process in place in the projections that we have made. But we fully expect that the outcome is going to be an outcome that makes sense for both us and for the customers.

David Arcaro

Analyst

Great. Thanks so much. And maybe just a quick follow-up. With the two new commissioners in the BPU, any initial comments on conversations with them, just based on the first few months of their appointment?

Daniel J. Cregg

Management

Yeah. No. Our team has continued to meet with folks, but our conversations have been limited to, I would basically put it, meet and greets at this point.

David Arcaro

Analyst

Got it. Thanks so much again.

Operator

Operator

This is all the time we have for questions. I would like to turn the floor back to Mr. LaRossa for closing comments.

Ralph LaRossa

Management

Thank you, Rob. I had a couple of comments prepared, but I actually started this call, as you heard, talking about the great work of our team. During the last storm, our facilitator here today, Rob, actually started our morning off by thanking us for the work that was done and communicated during the storm. So I just want to reinforce the thank you to the team. We can talk all we want about finances and the outcomes that we have here, but if we do not deliver on our operational mandates day in and day out, no regulatory construct is going to matter for us, and our plants will not run. So I thank the employees every day. And when I get comments like we just received from Rob when we opened up this call, it makes it all worthwhile. So, Rob, thank you, not only for facilitating the call, but for reinforcing for all of us that what matters is the work that is being done day in and day out by our employees in the field. With that, thank you, Rob. We are going to be out quite a bit over the next month and a half and look forward to seeing you and the in-person conversations.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.