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Penguin Solutions, Inc. (PENG)

Q4 2025 Earnings Call· Wed, Oct 8, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, thank you for attending today's Penguin Solutions Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2025 Financial Results. My name is Victoria, and I'll be your moderator today. I would now like to pass the conference over to our host, Suzanne Schmidt, thank you. You may proceed, Suzanne.

Suzanne Schmidt

Management

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us on today's earnings conference call and webcast to discuss Penguin Solutions' Fourth Quarter and Full Year Fiscal 2025 results. On the call today are Mark Adams, Chief Executive Officer; and Nate Olmstead, Chief Financial Officer. You can find the accompanying slide presentation and press release for this call on the Investor Relations section of our website. We encourage you to go to the site throughout the quarter for the most current information on the company. I would also like to remind everyone to read the note on the use of forward-looking statements that is included in the press release and the earnings call presentation. Please note that during this conference call, the company will make projections and forward-looking statements, including, but not limited to statements about the company's growth trajectory and financial outlook, business, plans and strategy and existing and potential collaborations. Forward-looking statements are based on current beliefs and assumptions and are not guarantees of future performance and are subject to risks and uncertainties, including, without limitation, the risks and uncertainties reflected in the press release and the earnings call presentation filed today as well as in the company's most recent annual and quarterly reports. The forward-looking statements are representative only as of the date they are made and except as required by applicable law, we assume no responsibility to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements. We will also discuss both GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures. Non-GAAP measures should not be considered in isolation from, as a substitute for or superior to our GAAP results. We encourage you to consider all measures when analyzing our performance. A reconciliation of the GAAP to non-GAAP measures is included in today's press release and accompanying slide presentation. And with that, let me turn the call over to Mark Adams, CEO. Mark?

Mark Adams

Management

Thank you, Suzanne. Welcome to Penguin Solutions Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2025 Earnings Call. Today, I'll walk through both our Q4 and full year results, providing updates on each of our business segments and sharing how we are positioning the company for long-term growth. Fiscal 2025, the transformational year for Penguin Solutions as we continue to evolve from a holding company structure into a leading provider of AI infrastructure solutions. In addition to delivering 17% top line growth, 190 basis points of non-GAAP operating margin expansion and a 53% increase in non-GAAP diluted EPS, we made meaningful progress positioning the company for long-term success. Key accomplishments included expanding our advanced computing pipeline and adding several new customers to the Penguin Solutions franchise, supporting our ongoing customer diversification strategy, deploying our first international AI infrastructure implementation, developing and expanding key partnerships with NVIDIA, CDW, Insight, and Dell; rebranding the company as Penguin Solutions. Moving our corporate domicile to the United States; closing a $200 million investment from SK Telecom; refinancing our debt to strengthen the balance sheet; and strengthening our leadership team with the appointments of Tony Fry formerly of NetApp as our SVP and Chief Revenue Officer; and Ted Gillick, formerly of Dell, as our SVP of Strategy and Corporate Development. I'll now turn to our financial results for the fourth quarter and full year. We delivered solid fourth quarter financial results. Revenue for Q4 was $338 million, an increase of 9% year-over-year. Non-GAAP gross margin was 30.9%. Non-GAAP operating income reached $39 million, a 16% increase year-over-year with non-GAAP operating margin at 11.6% up 80 basis points. Non-GAAP diluted earnings per share was $0.43, up 18% from the prior year. Our fourth quarter performance rounded out a strong fiscal year. For the full year, revenue grew 17% year-over-year.…

Nate Olmstead

Management

Thanks, Mark. I will focus my remarks on our non-GAAP results, which are reconciled to GAAP in our earnings release tables and in the investor materials available on our website. Now let me turn to our fourth quarter and full year results. In the quarter, total Penguin Solutions net sales were $338 million, up 9% year-over-year. Non-GAAP gross margin came in at 30.9%, which was flat year-over-year. Non-GAAP operating margin was 11.6%, up 0.8 percentage points versus last year, and non-GAAP diluted earnings per share were $0.43, up 18% from last year. For the full fiscal year 2025, total company net sales were $1.37 billion, up 17% year-over-year and aligned with the outlook we initially provided in April and better than the outlook we provided at the start of the fiscal year. Full year non-GAAP EPS was $1.90, up 53% versus the prior year and better than the increased outlook we provided last quarter. In the fourth quarter, our overall services net sales totaled $63 million, up 5% versus the prior year. Product net sales were $275 million in the quarter, up 9% versus the prior year. Net sales by business segment were as follows; in advanced computing, Q4 net sales were $138 million, which was 41% of our total net sales and down 7% year-over-year. For the full year, advanced computing delivered $648 million of net sales or 47% of total company net sales and up 17% year-over-year. Our strong full year advanced computing growth was driven by our HPC and AI business, which grew 34%. Notably, within our HPC AI business, product and services sales to our non-hyperscale customers were up 75% for the full fiscal year. For Integrated Memory, in Q4, net sales were $132 million, which was 39% of total company net sales and up 38%…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Kevin Cassidy with Rosenblatt Securities.

Kevin Cassidy

Analyst

Thanks for letting me ask a question and congratulations on the strong fiscal year '25. Thank you for the information about your hyperscale customer. But can you say, is there a project over? And would you say that going forward, we should just take them out of the forecast or should -- are you still active in potential -- more hardware deployments?

Mark Adams

Management

Kevin, thanks for the question. We don't look at it like the project's over. We have ongoing services with the customer and still are in discussions for future development opportunities, it's just that in our outlook for the year, fiscal 2026, we don't anticipate any non-service revenue or systems hardware revenue in the year. I'll let Nate comment.

Nate Olmstead

Management

Yes, that's right. I think last year, we entered the year with some visibility to some hardware shipments from the hyperscalers and just wasn't the case this year. So coming into this year, we thought it made sense to just make the assumption that we wouldn't have any hardware revenue from hyperscalers this year. But as Mark said, we continue to have a very good relationship with them and the services revenues continue.

Kevin Cassidy

Analyst

Okay. Great. And also exciting news with the SK Telecom and landing one client with that. And there was a lot of news last week about SK Telecom even being awarded with some business with OpenAI in Korea. Is there any participation availability for Penguin in that relationship?

Mark Adams

Management

That's something we can't address or talk to today, Kevin. What I would say is the referenced implementation in our prerecorded material was a great opportunity for the company. It's our first international deployment of significant scale and we went from order to go live in just about 2 months, and it was a significant validation of our capabilities, our rapid deployment framework. And we really value the relationship with SK Telecom, but we're not able to comment on any future opportunities at this time.

Nate Olmstead

Management

Kevin, I'll just add to that. Last quarter, you saw in our filings when we initially booked the deal, it was for hardware. Since then, we've also added services as well. So it's great to see that as part of that transaction and the relationship with SK being strong.

Kevin Cassidy

Analyst

Okay. And maybe just to add on to that a little bit. In the filing, I think it was $34.6 million. Is that -- will that be recognized over the next couple of quarters? Or when does that get recognized?

Nate Olmstead

Management

So we recognize that portion in Q4, but we'll have more in FY '26.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Michael Ng with Goldman Sachs.

Michael Ng

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

I wanted to just ask about the Penguin Edge and combined impact with hardware and revenue for next year. I think you mentioned a 14 percentage point headwind to revenue growth to the total company. When I do the math, I think that implies a 28 percentage point impact to Advanced Computing, is that the right way to think about it? How would you think about Advanced Computing growth next year, kind of ex these items? And could you just remind us why it kind of strategically makes sense to exit the Penguin Edge business, which I think was about 10% of the segment, but would love to hear your general thoughts there.

Mark Adams

Management

Thanks for the question, Michael. I'm going to answer the last part of your question first and then hand it over to Nate to talk about the financial impact and your question on impact of the other elements. It really wasn't a decision that we could stay or not stay. We had 2 clients in our Penguin Edge business that made up a significant part of that business. And as we announced in our filings, we were going through some last time buys and we're winding down the business. And over time, we were just getting better visibility towards the end of our fiscal '25 to what the impact would be in '26. So it wasn't really a choice of should we stay in it strategically or not, it was 2 large customers that we're winding down on a prior generation of a product and that they were not renewing.

Nate Olmstead

Management

Mike. And so I think on your math, you're roughly right. Advanced Computing is about 47% or 50% of total company sales. So that 14 points all sits within Advanced Computing, which means it's about 28% to 30% of Advanced Computing revenue from FY '25.

Michael Ng

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Great. And if I could just follow up, please. So if the underlying is growing closer to the 30% to 45%, could you just maybe talk about the key areas of momentum for advanced computing that you're seeing for next year, is it just more of those customer wins that you talked about converting into revenue? And maybe just kind of expand a little bit more in terms of the wideness of the range. I know you had made some comments earlier during the call.

Mark Adams

Management

Sure. Let me take a shot at that one. When you think about our model, and we've talked about customer diversification for some time, we've done a pretty good job at the launching of going to market resources into a broader set of customers. And those target enterprise customers plus federal opportunities and those in the education sector. When you combine that into a target set of customers for us, we engage with these customers. We bring them the value proposition we have, we try to identify funded projects that would allow us to utilize our capabilities and helping accelerate our customers' AI implementation. Once we get that opportunity to bid on a proposal, or a request for proposal. We delivered that, and that starts the beginning of a pipeline opportunity, and our pipeline is growing. Now pipeline is not a booking, as we all know. But the pipeline opportunities are growing as our, just the number of customers that we're engaged with. And so as you talk about the offset to some of these headwinds, we're continuing to add customers to the franchise and some really notable global brands in their respective industries. And we're excited about the direction we're heading, and we're looking to convert those pipeline opportunities into bookings and eventually revenue.

Nate Olmstead

Management

Yes. I mean I think just building on what Mark said, I think it's part of our diversification of our customer base is what you're seeing reflected in the outlook. And as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, too, 75% growth in the HPC, AI business from non-hyperscalers, I think it's just a really positive that at point for us from FY '25, and we think that we can continue to grow a very fast clip in those customers in FY '26.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Samik Chatterjee with JPMorgan.

Samik Chatterjee

Analyst · JPMorgan.

I have a couple, and maybe I'll sort of give you both at the same time. You did mention a better second half compared to the first half. And maybe just if you can dive in towards giving you that visibility with some of your customers? And is it really more coming from Advanced Computing visibility? Or is it more memory-driven? And then just specific to Memory, when you are guiding to 10% to 20% growth. Just curious how much of that is maybe somewhat pricing driven, given sort of what's happened with the underlying commodities here? Or -- and what are the margin implications of what you're seeing on the commodity front -- you feed into your sort of overall systems on the Memory side?

Nate Olmstead

Management

Sure. Let me take the Memory one first. So you're right, obviously, prices are starting to increase. And that affects a portion of our portfolio. It's not all of it. Important to keep in mind that we generally operate in Memory on a value-add basis, right? And so as Memory prices increase, we can generally pass along those price increases, but we don't get additional margin from that. So you would see an increase in revenue, but you would see a decrease in margin rate or really no increase in profit dollars because we operate on this value-add basis. I would say in terms of the outlook, listen, I think I put a little bit of price increase probably into the high end of the range for Memory, but not a lot. We'll see how things play out there. I think currently, we feel good about the backlog that we've been able to build from Memory going into Q1. And we have pretty good visibility, I'd say, into the first half on Memory. You mentioned the second half being stronger than the first half in our outlook. And mostly, that reflects the AI business. Mark mentioned about the strength of the pipeline. And we haven't converted those into bookings yet. And so the outlook really reflects that, where we have a strong pipeline and some good opportunities, some of which we expect to convert into bookings, but they will be booked later in the first half into the second half and expect revenue in the second half of the year.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Ananda Baruah with Loop Capital Markets.

Ananda Baruah

Analyst · Loop Capital Markets.

Yes. I have a couple, if I could. So just going back on the apples-to-apples revenue growth sort of when you back out -- back out the meta hardware and the Penguin Solutions -- or sorry, the Edge business. So is that to say, if it's a 14% impact year-over-year growth, is that to say that apples-to-apples, like on a pro forma basis, you'd really be guiding 20% growth? Should I think about it that way or am I totally off?

Nate Olmstead

Management

Well, let me explain to you this way and see if it makes sense. The 14% of our revenue in FY '25 came from the Penguin Edge business and the hardware from hyperscalers, right? So I haven't included that revenue in the FY '26 outlook. So yes, if you wanted to remove that from FY '25 and have apples-to-apples with FY '26, you would have a calculated growth rate around 20%.

Ananda Baruah

Analyst · Loop Capital Markets.

It would be. I got it. And that's helpful, Nate. And then this -- Nate, the 75% growth from non-hyperscale HPC, AI. Can you give us a sense -- I mean, I guess, can we -- I guess you're giving us the bits we can back into that, I guess, is right, with the overall guide? Is that something we can back into or do we need sort of more parts?

Nate Olmstead

Management

You're talking about how much revenue would that generate?

Ananda Baruah

Analyst · Loop Capital Markets.

I guess. I think the comment was -- yes, I think the comment was in 2025...

Nate Olmstead

Management

Yes. So looking at Advanced Computing and non -- there's the AI business, HPC/AI business, there's Stratus and there's Penguin Edge. Focusing on the HPC/AI business, which is obviously our strategic focus. Within that, you have sort of hyperscale business and non-hyperscale business and the non-hyperscale portion of that grew 75% in fiscal year '25. I'm just trying to [zero] really on that strategic focus area for us.

Ananda Baruah

Analyst · Loop Capital Markets.

Totally. And I guess what I'm wondering is given the guide [indiscernible] you've given us some different businesses for fiscal '26. Are we able to back into what's implied for that growth in fiscal '26? Or is that something that we need more information to figure out with 75%?

Mark Adams

Management

Yes, I think we're basically discussing a trend that happened in '25. And what we're suggesting is that with that focus, we're trying to leverage that and build off that to deliver on the plan for '26. I don't think there's an implied association with what happened in the report for the '25 outcome and -- into the '26 number.

Nate Olmstead

Management

Yes. Ananda, I think you can kind of get to a range with data that we've given you. But the other thing I would just add to that is most of the -- the guidance range mostly reflects opportunity in that HPC/AI space for non-hyperscale customers. So that's where we're seeing that pipeline build, right? And so it's a wide range on Advanced Computing because of that. We have visibility to opportunities, but not visibility yet to the bookings. And so I left the range wider for Advanced Computing than I did on LED or Memory, which you see have tighter ranges on the revenue outlook.

Ananda Baruah

Analyst · Loop Capital Markets.

And Mark -- actually Nate and Mark, like Nate sort of to the variance that's left in the bookings that drove -- describing the wider range. What would be, I guess, like what aspects of HPC/AI business, I guess, maybe what end markets or aspects would be the biggest add parts of the market that would sort of maybe drive some of the upside? I guess, is it -- yes.

Mark Adams

Management

What I would say -- let me just -- I'll try to answer that. The market opportunities that we're seeing the most near-term customer engagements are in the financial sector. The federal sector, which includes both government and federal integrators, there are some education opportunities that are interesting, but also sovereign cloud opportunities. Those are the 4 that I think can drive us to a successful FY '26. By the way, this is -- to fully answer, in addition to that, those markets, I think we mentioned in our script, we've had a new CRO start, Tony Fry, who came over from NetApp, and Tony has already brought on team members to target health care and other verticals organizationally to further enhance that. But in terms of '26 outlook, our pipeline reflects the sectors I talked about being, again financial education, federal integrators and government direct as well as sovereign cloud.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Rustam Kanga with Citizens.

Rustam Kanga

Analyst · Citizens.

Congrats on the strong close to the year and great to hear about Penguin's pivotal role in South Korea’s Sovereign AI plans. I just had one follow-up. Nate, it was great to hear you kind of call out that you were able to add the services revenue in such a short period of time after the initial hardware deal. And I think you guys have historically talked about hardware as you lead with the hardware and then services follow on. I'm just wondering, is it too large of a leap to make to say that in this instance, you were able to sort of accelerate the time to services from an initial hardware implementation. Is that something that you're seeing? Or is that just a one-off?

Mark Adams

Management

Well, I think it's -- we got to be careful and be clear here. The overall solution, and as it was commented in our recorded scripts, the overall solution contemplates hardware systems, software and services. And the timing of when the revenue gets recognized is different. And so the more hardware oriented deals we take revenue credit on, that's normally upfront in any deployment. The software and services, bookings and revenue is typically ratified. So if we get a booking, that doesn't mean that we get the revenue upfront as you know. The revenue happens over the lifetime of an agreement. And so in this case, like any case, once we install or deploy systems into a data center environment, for example, the hardware gets booked right away, relatively speaking. And we start the clock on software and services that are contracted to and that happens over time. So this wasn't that different than other deployments. It's just that we got both agreements within a certain time frame right after the other.

Nate Olmstead

Management

I think also it's -- listen, each deal can be different than the next. But when we have a large hardware deployments, the value proposition for our services tends to be higher. And so we do tend to see good services attached to those large deployments, and that was the case with SK Telecom.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Matt Calitri with Needham & Company.

Matthew Calitri

Analyst · Needham & Company.

There's obviously no shortage of conversation around AI. And lately, we've heard quite a bit of discourse around how CapEx and revenue seems to be rotating between just a few companies. And then this week, we've had reports out about AMD getting involved in chip shipments with OpenAI and another report today, questioning the profitability of Oracle's GPU strategy. Just curious what your thoughts are on how build-outs are and will progress in this space and what you're seeing in the broader market?

Mark Adams

Management

Well, implied in our earlier comments, Matt, is that we still think we're in the relatively early innings of broad enterprise rollouts. If I separate your questions to AMD and OpenAI in that announcement, I think that just goes to show that the capital dollars out building on future large language model training environments as well as inferencing implementations. Again, it's still on the front end, the early end of the market opportunity there. buoyed by enterprise adoption of AI, which is different than the earlier stages that were primarily large hyperscalers making significant investments in their training. We're seeing and we're starting to see a big pickup in terms of enterprise engagements and the pipeline growing there. Now relative to your reference to the GPU gross margin announcement, what -- I guess I would say when you have a lot of people selling the same thing, it tends to get commoditized pretty quickly. And I'm not commenting on today's announcement only. But if you look at the gross margin of the hardware-only companies that are the large OEMs in the business. Their gross margins have been significantly impacted over time. And so that model is not, in my opinion, is not for everybody, for sure. I think it's -- it will get commoditized if you're selling the same basic underlying solution or chip in this case. So I think there are 2 different issues you raised. I definitely think the market is on the early stage of deployments, especially around the enterprise opportunity. And I think the announcement with AMD and OpenAI that was in the press this week, certainly, another good example of the CapEx spending. Today's announcement that you're referring to on the gross margin piece is something that we see when there's large hardware-only type environments and competitors.

Matthew Calitri

Analyst · Needham & Company.

That makes sense. Very helpful there. And then as the memory market seems to be heating up here and good commentary from you guys there and guidance there. How are you differentiating your offering there? Or to a certain extent, is it just a matter of who has availability to ship this stuff?

Mark Adams

Management

Well -- and Matt, I know you're relatively new to our story from Needham and thanks again for jumping on the call today. Our business is largely is differentiation because we buy our supply of Memory silicon from the likes of SK Hynix and others. And we deliver a value add in terms of a system or subsystem level solution and we get margin above the industry gross margin for the commodity itself being the memory chip. And so we differentiate ourselves both through design and firmware and software and performance reliability. And so those categories are elements of our differentiation allow us to charge more than the industry charges for the Memory itself. And so it's largely a differentiation model if we're not differentiating on the design wins, we're not going to get a lot of them.

Operator

Operator

There are no additional questions waiting at this time. I would now like to pass the conference back to Mark Adams, CEO, for closing remarks.

Mark Adams

Management

Thank you, operator. Our Q4 and full year results validate that we are on the right path, helping our value customers solve the complexity of AI infrastructure. Thank you all for joining today's call.

Operator

Operator

That concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation, and enjoy the rest of your day.