Michael Kurlander
Analyst · Joseph Vafi with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead
I'll take that one. Thanks for the question, Joe. Let me honestly split it into two parts. I’ll first talk about the take rate side. And on revenues what we're seeing is that we've really started to benefit from the two sided network that we've built, and particularly our role in the ecosystem. And what I described in some of the prepared remarks was around the increased monetization, and what is on the fourth quarter was AI integration fees were higher, they were higher because we've been able to demonstrate through these markets the value of Pagaya in many cases being 20% to 30% of volume on some of our partners’ networks, or some of our partners’ platforms. And so that's translated into an ability for us to generate higher economics with those partners. And integration fees were up and that offset some of the softness that we've all experienced in the capital markets. So that's on the take rate side and then that take us to roughly 10% level in the fourth quarter. Now looking forward, I think we've said before, 8% to 10% of a range I think given the expansion that we've seen, probably 9% to 10% is a reasonable range for us for 2023 and that will also be driven somewhat by product and partner mix. Now on the production cost side, you're right to point out that production costs are higher. Now, again, that is a function of product and partner mix. And particularly, what we see is we're expanding into new products and with new partners. It's typically in the early days of those relationships. We have lower margin, or in other words higher fees, higher costs. And those higher costs are associated with either the product itself. So for example, in auto, there's this higher structural fees given there's more market participants, there's dealers, in addition to lenders, et cetera. And then with partners, again, we want to make sure we're in there proving the value proposition of Pagaya, and we're happy to do that for a period of time before we then talk about economic optimization. And so that's why you're seeing the production costs ranging up and those we expect to be in the 6% to 7%. So putting those two things together, call it, 9% to 10% on the take rate side, 6% to 7% on the production costs, that leads to a gross profit, which we expect to be stable and has been stable, relatively stable over the last year or so in the 3% range. Hopefully that helps answer your question, Joe.