Welcome to the Royal Philips' Third Quarter 2025 Results Conference Call on Tuesday, November 4, 2025. During the call hosted by Mr. Roy Jakobs, CEO; and Ms. Charlotte Hanneman, CFO, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this call will be recorded, and a replay will be available on the Investor Relations website of Royal Philips. I will now hand the conference over to Ms. Durga Doraisamy, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, madam.

Hello, everyone. Welcome to Philips' results webcast for the third quarter of 2025. I'm here with our CEO, Roy Jakobs; and our CFO, Charlotte Hanneman. The press release and investor presentation can be accessed on our Investor Relations website. The replay and full transcript of this webcast will be available on our website after this call concludes. I want to draw your attention to our safe harbor statement on the screen and in the presentation. I will now hand over to Roy.

Thanks, Durga. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. We entered the third quarter with good momentum. We sustained it and delivered on plan for the quarter. Order intake grew 8%, marking the fourth consecutive quarter of improvement. It reflects the robust demand for our products and our disciplined execution. Comparable sales growth stepped up sequentially to 3% year-on-year. All businesses contributed to growth. Personal Health delivered particularly strong performance. Adjusted EBITDA margin expanded by 50 basis points to 12.3% in spite of the full quarter impact of currently imposed tariffs. It reflects solid gross margin delivery driven by innovation as well as the impact of our productivity and cost management. Overall, our performance in the first 9 months is tracking as expected, with momentum weighted towards the second half as orders and growth build through the year. We are delivering on our commitments, and we contain and sustain this momentum with disciplined execution into the fourth quarter to achieve our full year plan as we complete the year. We reiterate our full year comparable sales growth outlook in the range of 1% to 3%. We expect our 2025 adjusted EBITDA margin to be at the upper end of 11.3% to 11.8% range, reflecting our confidence in our execution. We continue to expect full year free cash flow to be between EUR 0.2 billion and EUR 0.4 billion. These expectations assume current tariff levels remain unchanged with mitigation fully on track. Now let's look at our third quarter performance in more detail. Starting with orders. Equipment order intake grew 8%, maintaining the momentum we have built over the last 12 months, including the typical quarter-to-quarter unevenness in large orders. Year-to-date, our order book is up 6% compared to last year. Our strong order performance in Q3 was driven…

Thank you, Roy. The group achieved 3% comparable sales growth while our three business segments delivered 4.3%, underscoring the strength of our core operations. In Diagnosis & Treatment, comparable sales improved sequentially, in line with our expected phasing, increasing by 1% year-over-year. Image-Guided Therapy delivered solid growth, nearing the mid-single-digit range, marking consecutive multiyear expansion; a remarkable track record of consistent performance fueled by strong momentum in our flagship Azurion platform and strength in coronary intravascular ultrasound devices. Precision Diagnosis sales were broadly in line with last year. Strong growth in Ultrasound was driven by continued strength in cardiovascular, led by our EPIQ CVx systems. This was offset by a modest decline in Diagnostic Imaging, primarily due to the timing of orders. Our flagship products continue to perform well, particularly the CT 5300, which delivered a strong ramp-up in order conversions following its launch last year; the major contributor to a further improvement in gross margin within Diagnostic Imaging. Adjusted EBITDA margin decreased by 80 basis points to 11.8%, mainly due to the incremental headwinds from the currently imposed tariffs and cost inflation, partially offset by gross margin from recently launched innovations as well as productivity. Absent these headwinds, both gross and adjusted EBITDA margins improved year-on-year, highlighting the underlying strength and demonstrating robust operational execution. In Connected Care, comparable sales grew 5%, supported by strong growth in Monitoring. This was partially offset by lower Sleep & Respiratory Care sales, while Enterprise Informatics remained stable. Growth in Monitoring was driven by higher installation of latest IntelliVue MX patient monitors, X3 transport patient monitors and AI-powered PIC iX central monitoring systems across most geographies with particular strength in North America. Adjusted EBITDA margin improved by 410 basis points to 11.4%, including a 150 basis point gain from the remeasurement of a…

Thank you, Charlotte. The third quarter progressed as expected, and we remain confident in delivering on our full year commitments. Looking ahead to our Capital Markets Day in February 2026, we will showcase the fundamental progress achieved under our 2023 to 2025 plan, establishing a strong foundation for the future. And we will share how we will and are evolving this into a next 3-year plan of consistent value creation and focused value acceleration. I'm incredibly proud of our passionate teams, staying close to customers, executing with discipline and keeping our momentum throughout the end of this year. Thank you, and we are now ready for your questions.

[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Mr. Julien Dormois from Jefferies.

I have two. The first one would relate to a general question around price hikes going forward. You are obviously out of a period of inflation and also the tariff impact. So just curious how you think about price increase going forward. We can remember that 2 or 3 years ago, the whole industry proceeded with price hikes at the end of the inflation crisis. So just curious whether you should expect some benefit from that in the next couple of years. That would be my first general question. And the second question relates to PH. Obviously, a super strong quarter on easy comps. So just curious whether there is any restocking effect in China and maybe help us understand what was actually the contribution of China in this quarter. And that's it.

Thank you, Julien. Let me take the first one and then maybe Charlotte can take the second. So on the pricing, so as you have seen also from our bridge, kind of we are driving our margin expansion on the back of two key drivers that we see taking effect. One is expansion of gross margin. And that actually is especially the new innovations generating more traction in the total percentage of orders and then flowing through to sales. And that's where we see actually that price increases do support our margin, as well as the productivity and cost discipline actions that we are taking. We expect in the coming period that there will be some pricing given the inflationary environment that we're in. But we also know that kind of actually the inherent value increase of our innovations and how we price them in combination with kind of productivity and cost will be the bigger driver of that. So we see pricing opportunity, but not to kind of a large extent that kind of we also would impede growth because growth is still of critical importance, and we will keep driving that whilst we expand the margin at the same time as you have seen.

Yes. And then thank you, Julien. Your second question on Personal Health. We are very pleased with our Personal Health sales in the quarter of 11% indeed. As I said also just earlier, partially that was helped by a low comparable base in China. But even excluding China, we saw broad-based growth across all businesses and geographies. So very pleasing. And on your question on the restocking in China, we don't see any restocking. In fact, as we said, we finalized the inventory destocking at the end of Q2 and continue to be very, very cautious on making sure that those inventory levels are in line with our expectations. So no restocking now.

The next question comes from Ed Ridley-Day from Rothschild & Co Redburn.

Really a strong improvement in productivity this year despite some of the challenges you faced. How should we think about maintaining that momentum into '26? And particularly on -- related to tariffs, you've almost fully offset the tariff headwind this quarter. Should we be perhaps assuming that you can fully offset the annualized tariff impact next year?

Thank you very much, Ed. Let me take that question. So first of all, we're very much focused on 2025 and delivering in line with our expectation, which is now at the higher end of the 11.3% to 11.8% range. And as you rightfully mentioned, we've been able to compensate a lot of the tariffs while we still have a net impact of EUR 150 million to EUR 200 million after substantial mitigation. And that gives us a lot of confidence. Now if I look ahead at 2026, of course, we have our Capital Markets Day on February 10, and we're looking forward to giving you a lot more details at that point in time. What I would tell you in broad strokes is we are happy with the momentum that we've seen from an order intake perspective, from a sequential sales step-up perspective, from a margin perspective. So we are very focused on continuing improving on all fronts, but more to come on February 10 from that perspective.

The next question comes from Hugo Solvet from BNP Paribas Exane.

Congrats on the results. I have two, please. First, can you expand a bit on the order timing in D&T? And how would you expect Diagnostic Imaging sales to evolve going forward? And second, Roy, happy to get your thoughts on Section 232. How do you think this could impact Imaging and Connected Care business? And where do you stand exactly on reshoring of manufacturing in the U.S. in particular?

Thank you, Hugo. So on the order timing, and I think it's good indeed to -- if you look at the order buildup of D&T, as said, we are happy with the 6% year-to-date. You also say -- saw that is not yet fully evenly balanced, right? Q2 was really the quarter of D&T, Q3 is the quarter of CC, right? So we kind of -- as we have built up our order momentum, we're also getting some of these large deals. And Q2 was really a very strong D&T quarter. Q3 is a very strong CC quarter. Actually, in Q4, we expect D&T also to further step up. Also, we see that in our funnel. So actually, whilst there are certain lumpiness, the underlying improvement is visible, and you also see that coming through. The same is for the realization of sales. We also have seen the step-up in sales. Although also there, of course, it goes with the order conversion. And there, we see that some time lines are longer, but also we expect there an improvement in Q4, which also in DI is coming through. On top, I think it's also good to say that, as you know, from our strategy, we had in how we drive our businesses two different parts. One was we have growth businesses at higher margins that we explicitly drive for growth. And we have margin expansion businesses, and those are exactly doing what they should be doing. So we have been expanding DI margin, we have been expanding EI margin, we have been expanding SRC margin also in the third quarter. And we have been really driving growth strongly across the other growth businesses. Now of course, we want to have both margin and growth expansion from all segments, but actually,…

The next question comes from the line of Mr. Hassan Al-Wakeel from Barclays.

A couple for me. Firstly, a follow-up on D&T, please. Last quarter, Roy, you talked about your win rate improving in China, particularly in CT on the back of spectral. How is that faring today? And do you think your softer China order commentary is a function of market growth or share losses or both? And then secondly, just if you can expand on the warning letter in ultrasound and informatics and what gives you confidence that this will not result in regulatory action, and that your more recent quality improvement measures are yielding company-wide change?

Yes. Thank you, Hassan. So on D&T, we have seen indeed, and that's also what was called out, further traction on the 5300 and CT as well as MR. And actually, that is building in the funnel. Next to that, we saw ultrasound really picking up. And actually, that in part also address maybe some concern from the warning letter. Actually, Ultrasound, we have been dialing up order intake momentum and sales momentum whilst we actually have been working in parallel the remediation since Q2 because it's not new, right? For us, we got the 43 at the end of Q1. We started to remediate in Q3 -- in Q2 and in Q3, and you have seen no impact on results. That's also why we can be quite confident on that this will not have impact on results. We are remediating the process part of it, and we are in full kind of remediation and take it very seriously, of course. But we also know that this is no product issue, not a patient safety issue, this is process remediation. And we have been working that whilst absorbing it and stepping up our products. Then on China, I think in China, you see that it's a mixed picture. Overall, the market momentum, I would still call out for health systems as subdued, right? We still don't see the market growth coming back as we all hope, and that's really a market phenomena. We see tenders increasing, but it's not turning to order growth because we see that they are not landing yet. Processing time are longer, they are being disputed, and that's something that actually we are facing as industry. On the other hand, we have seen that Ultrasound, for example, has been up in our mix, and we saw…

Roy, if I could just quickly follow up. In your prepared remarks, you talked about tougher competition on the ground in China as well as some of the market issues that you just talked about. Where is that manifesting itself?

Yes. I think what I mean with the tough competition is that in, of course, the centralized procurement, you have a much more regulated process around competition. And that makes that we see, and I think everybody is facing that, that you kind of much more guided in that process. There are more disputes coming out. So when you have one, people are rebottling it. So that's, I think, where you see on the ground that it's becoming tougher because it's not only clinical preference, there's also more process in the mix. I think that is a fair, I think, depiction of the China situation, and that's something that we all are dealing with, I think, all parties. And you saw it also, I think, in some commentary of others. I think we are working through that. I think on the other side, on the positive side, we also mentioned that kind of we are working to offset. And that's not only short term, but also longer term. The strong momentum of double-digit orders in North America, of course, is also a big part of mitigation for that. And there also, we could still deliver 8% total order growth despite that China is not back where it is. And of course, there, we are firing also on the strongholds that we have. And CC was particularly strong this quarter, but also we continue to build on the rest. So as we are shifting to get where the demand is coming more contribution, that's North America, but also Europe, you also see that kind of we will be building that into our sales of the various underlying segments.

We will now take the next question from Mr. David Adlington from JPMorgan.

Firstly, maybe just would be good to get your thoughts on GE's decision. Can you hear me?

Yes.

Yes. So just on the GE's decision to sell the Chinese business. Just wondered if you thought there was potential to pick up share, but also good to get your thoughts in terms of why they might be looking to exit China? And then secondly, just wondered if -- as the hedges rolled off on the foreign exchange, just wondered what sort of headwind that will be to margin for next year?

Okay. So on GE, of course, I cannot speak on behalf of GE and what they're doing. What I do see is actually that indeed on the ground, we are dialing up our competitive positioning around innovations that we've been launching. And as I said, kind of we see that, that also is resonating. We saw the Ultrasound pickup. We see also that there is kind of more activity, but kind of we need to materialize that. And I think overall, globally, you see that we have good order momentum, and kind of that is because of the customer preference for our platforms. I think the approach of innovation that we are taking where we're really looking into the broader productivity and workflow support supported with a combination of products and AI, and Informatics is something that is resonating. So I would say that's kind of our competitive differentiation and where we have three strong platforms that we're pulling from, that customers can build upon, and they are interoperable and open so that kind of we can play with partnerships in the industry as well to strengthen the delivery towards customers. I think that's on the first part. And maybe you can take the second on FX, Charlotte.

Yes, absolutely. Thanks, David. So your question on FX. And of course, we're very pleased we're not seeing any impact from an FX perspective in Q3. Now if you go and also look at Q4, that's where we do expect some currency headwinds to come in, which also will impact our margin, and that's fully included in the guide of the higher end of the 11.3% to 11.8%. And where we will get that out in February, we'll also take the currency impact into account in our guide there. But what I would tell you overall that we've been doing very well in terms of offsetting any currency impacts, as you have seen also in Q3.

We will now take the next question from Mr. Graham Doyle from UBS.

Just two for me. Just firstly, on the tariff side of things. Just conceptually, when we think of the order book growth you've had, which probably would support, say, mid-single-digit growth next year, you think of the cost savings and the mitigation you've got in there. Just to be fair, is it reasonable to assume margins can expand next year with tariffs where they are at the moment? Just to get some clarity on that. We're not asking for a level, but just to assume that they can expand. And then just on China, we're hearing quite a bit about VBP within the CT and Ultrasound segments. And I know a couple of your peers have seen it, but mainly because they play in the sort of lower end of mid-level hospitals. Is this something that's affecting your business? Or do you just not play in those categories?

Thank you, Graham. Let me take the first question on tariffs. So as you know, so for this year, tariffs after substantial mitigations are impacting us to an extent of EUR 150 million to EUR 200 million. And despite that, we're expanding our margins at this point in time at the higher end of the 11.3% to 11.8% margin, so by 30 basis points. You said it, of course, the tariffs are annualizing next year, so that will be a little bit of a bigger impact. But the way we are looking at it is we know every year we need to improve, including the new reality around us. And one of the big new realities around us is tariffs. So without wanting to go into any specifics at this point in time because we'll do that on February 10, what I can tell you is that we're very much focused on improvement, improvement from a sales perspective, improvement from a margin perspective and also improvement from a cash flow perspective.

On the CT, Ultrasound question, VBP in China, I think the procurement rollout is quite broad-based. So we are also affected by that. So we see that as well in part of kind of the portfolio where we play. So that's, I think, a market phenomena. That's also where I was earlier alluding to that actually is causing some of the slowness that we see because actually that really causes longer processing times as well as a more orchestrated approach towards buying. And that has an impact -- continued impact on market growth in China. So therefore, we did see that as well for us. I think on the positive side, as I already mentioned, we saw really in Ultrasound positive growth coming in because also of some of the new launches that we have. Now we are also building the pipeline for the CT part, so we see that there is tender activity. But as I also mentioned, it's not yet kind of concluded. And therefore, kind of we remain a bit cautious on how this evolves because it's not very predictable yet when activity turns into orders and then turns into sales.

The next question comes from the line of Veronika Dubajova from Citi.

I am going to ask two, please, and a very quick third one, if you forgive me, just because that's one word, hopefully one. But I just want to circle back to the downgrade to the guidance, to the sales guidance for D&T. And obviously, Roy you've talked a lot about China, but can you sort of confirm that the downgrade is entirely just China related? Or is there anything else that you're seeing in other regions that's worrying you there? And I guess, how you feel about that kind of D&T growth momentum exiting this year underpinning this roughly 5% growth rate that consensus has for next year? If you can talk to that, that would be my first question. My second question is the low single-digit growth rate in IGT, quite a deviation from the trend that we've seen through the last couple of years. So curious if you have some thoughts on that. And again, if you can elaborate on what's driving that? And my third very, very quick, yes or no question is, do you expect the warning letter to have any impact on your ability to return to the CPAP market through the next 6 to 12 months?

Okay. Let me start with the D&T. So on the sales momentum, yes, there is some China impact in that. But the other portion that we have seen is also some longer conversion cycles of orders. There's no particular kind of other reason that we see in other regions. I said kind of especially in DI side, of course, we have a different footprint in terms of more weighted towards Europe and China and a bit less in North America, where we are building. But I also mentioned to you that we are actually building that with double-digit order growth. So actually, we are stepping that up, and we expect that also to continue. So yes, whilst the overall mix is a bit changing in the year, we remain with 1% to 3%. I haven't heard too many people talking about CC. It was quite extraordinary this quarter how they delivered in terms of the demand that there is as well as kind of supported in hospital-based monitoring and in kind of EI. So of course, we're tapping the opportunity and also growing and leveraging the strength of our portfolio in fullest. And that also holds true actually for IGT. So in IGT, the CSG has been high, especially if you look also then in terms of the compare from a 2 years comps in Q3, and that was also supply chain related. You see that kind of explains some of the LSD. But actually, we keep very much leading in IGT. The new launches are contributing to that. People are really excited about not only what we have been launching, but also the piping with Azurion and other innovations that we have. So actually, we remain very excited about the interventional opportunity that's out there and that we also keep pursuing. Then on the warning letter, no, I don't expect any impact to the CC because these are two separate topics. The CC has its own kind of SRC-related demand. As I mentioned earlier, we're fully on track in kind of working through those. This is a separate warning letter we need to address, and we are in full remediation of it. And as I said earlier, we don't expect any commercial impact of it. So in that sense, yes, it's a disappointment, and we are kind of acting it with very strong discipline follow-through, but we don't expect that to have any further operational impact.

We will now take the next question from Mr. Richard Felton from Goldman Sachs.

Two for me, please, both on Connected Care. So first of all, I suppose just a follow-up on the strong order performance in Connected Care. Could you maybe add a little bit more color on what was driving that? And how much benefit was there from the longer-term partnerships that you signed in the quarter? And then secondly, on Enterprise Informatics specifically, I think it's roughly a year on since you extended your partnership with AWS to advance cloud services. How has that partnership impacted your Enterprise Informatics business from both a top and bottom line perspective?

Yes. Great questions, Richard. So let me start with Hospital Patient Monitoring and CC development there. I think we have been seeing strong demand on the patient monitoring side. And in combination with, I would say, really unique ecosystem that we have been building, we see us really winning. And that's not only kind of building on the momentum in the market, but also then kind of really taking positions also of competition. That is built also with partnerships. Now we mentioned two in the quarter, but it's not only of that, it's quite broad-based and also across regions. You know that we play mostly outside of China. So of course, CC doesn't have that China impact, but it's really kind of driving a very strong North America contribution. They're investing in patient monitoring, standardization, but also patient safety is important there to watch over their patients as well as the cybersecurity part. And we have been really also driving the partnership approach as you have been seeing. So we kind of offer a full open modular approach, and that's really working for the market and for our customers. So I think a winning formula there that we expect to continue to deliver results. And that not only has been driving order sales, but you saw also strong margin contribution because, as you know, the Hospital Patient Monitoring business is also a strong margin business. Then on EI, we also mentioned strong contribution from EI in the quarter. As I said, we drive, of course, EI for margin. So we saw margin improvement, but we also were very pleased with the order improvement. And that indeed is really also in combination with that offer that we have with AWS. The cloud migration is a big topic. Not only the cloud migration, we do also AI and some language model collaboration with them. So we see that really kind of supporting the engine. They're also doing some marketing and sales efforts because they, in essence, co-sell our solutions as well as that we, of course, support their cloud services when we go out to customers together. And that is a formula that also works within the market and with customers. So we see that kind of strengthening our approach, and that's indeed building the funnel and now also building the conversion since we started that collaboration with AWS.

We will now take the next question from the line of Wim Gille from ABN AMRO ODDO BHF.

I have two questions actually. First, you reported 8% order intake growth in Q3, predominantly driven by CC this quarter. You also gave some color during this earnings call on the funnel for Q4, but I missed that answer. So can you reiterate it, basically giving a bit of granularity on how you see the sales funnel and the order intake develop into Q4 for both D&T as well as CC? The second question is related to E&I, Enterprise Informatics. As I understand it, order intake was pretty okay, but sales has been flat also in Q3 and was also quite disappointing or relatively low in the previous quarters. which reads a bit disappointing vis-a-vis market growth there. So what has been holding you back in the last couple of quarters? And when would you expect the order intake in E&I to come and convert into sales growth here?

Yes. Let me maybe take the first one in terms of the order momentum. So we said kind of when we look to the year, we expect a strong full year delivery of orders where we continue on the track that we have been building. So a positive order intake also into Q4, probably a bit more evenly based with CC and D&T. As I've said, kind of has been a bit lumpy through the quarters. But in Q4, we expect it to be more evenly based. Then depending on kind of what big orders will fall, you will see kind of this will have potentially some impact in Q4 or we see it next year back, but a strong finish in orders. Then on sales, also there, kind of we have said before, we are stepping up and also we will step up in Q4. And that will be across the different segments. So we will expect contribution from everybody in that step-up. So PH continue to be strong. We see CC continuing and also D&T stepping up. So in that sense, I think we maintain the momentum as we also signaled, and that's built up on the funnel. Now of course, still 2 months to go. So working hard to kind of get it over the finish line with our teams, but all kind of geared towards delivering upon what we also have guided for. And I think that's, of course, a reiteration of what we have been planning for and saying all year long.

Yes. And then maybe your question on Enterprise Informatics. Indeed, as you pointed out, our order intake has been very strong in Q3 for Enterprise Informatics, and we're very pleased with that. You probably also know that the order conversion cycle from order to sales in Enterprise Informatics is pretty long. So it will take quite a while for order intake growth to convert into sales. And Roy just spoke about AWS and our AWS partnership as well, which will also help contribute as we move customers to the cloud will also help drive sales growth there over time.

And in that transition where you are moving your clients to -- from on-prem to cloud, have you any indication -- can you give any indication where you are in that process? Is it like a quarter is done? Are you halfway there? Or are we now at the end of the conversion?

Yes. It's difficult to say, and it also depends really customer by customer. So we've done a number of successful conversions from on-prem to the cloud. But ultimately, the thing to keep in mind is that this will take time to fully execute on because it really touches also the hospitals and the hospital operations very, very deeply. So this will take time. But we've done a few that have been very successful.

[Operator Instructions] We will now take the next question from Mr. Falko Friedrichs from Deutsche Bank.

My first question is, how did the Respironics business perform in Q3? And are you seeing the momentum build as you reenter European markets? My second question is there has been a very large number of earnings adjustments again in the third quarter. Is that something you plan to significantly reduce going into 2026?

Yes. Let me take the first one, Falko. So on SRC, I think two parts. One, as I said before, of course, we have been driving very strong margin improvement. We have seen very strong margin realization in Q3 of SRC also that also contributed to the strong CC margin step-up. So that part of the strategy fully working. Also, we have seen really the OSA portfolio, so the sleep apnea portfolio stepping up. So we see actually as we're returning into the market, actually, that's something that is delivering growth to us. Where we see it being offset is with ventilation. There actually, we have improving portfolio and also been taking out. So that actually is going at the cost of the sleep momentum. So therefore, in the mix, you see that there is a slight pressure on the sales because of that ventilation reset. But we are very encouraged and excited by the fact that in sleep, both on the devices, but also the masks we see it stepping up. And that, of course, with the reentry that we have been doing across the various countries now in due course of this year.

Yes. And then Falko, I'll take your second question on the adjusting items. And although adjusting items came in significantly lower than we had guided for, I absolutely acknowledge that they're still high. And the moving pieces are, on the one hand, we continue to have costs related to the consent decree, Respironics consent decree, that will reduce over time. The other element is that we continue to have restructuring costs as we're continuing to simplify our operating model and to simplify Philips as a company. Now having said all of that, we are very much focused on, and it is a priority of mine to reduce adjusting items over time. So that is what we're fully focused on. There's a lot on the table there, a lot of strengthening of processes that we're doing. So over time, I see the reduction in adjusting items. And what I would also tell you is that adjusting items have already come down versus 2024 and 2025. So this is a journey and a trajectory we're on.

The last question comes from the line of Mr. Oliver Reinberg from Kepler Cheuvreux.

Two questions also from my side. Firstly, I just want to discuss the margin impact from innovation SKU reduction. I mean, I guess this is a kind of continuous effort. But can you just give us any kind of flavor in which year do you expect this kind of measures to peak? Will this probably be next year as the kind of order backlog is being worked through? Or would you expect the kind of margin contribution to be similar compared to 2025? And also, can you give us a flavor when you're pruning your kind of product portfolio, what was actually the headwind to comparable sales growth? Because my understanding is that you're not adjusting for that. And then the second question, if I may, just on Americas. I mean, you talked about different -- more uncertainty in some kind of regions. I was just wondering if this also relates to Americas where we pointed to different dynamics by region. So just try to get a kind of flavor how confident are you that this kind of growth in North America will continue into next year?

Yes. Thank you, Oliver. Let me take the first question on the margin impact from the SKU reduction, which we internally call Project Synchronizer. So what I would tell you, and if I take a step back on our margin improvement trajectory, we have consistently said that part of our margin improvement trajectory is related to gross margin improvement, and there are a couple of different reasons for that. On the one hand, we see improvement from gross margin driven by innovations and our innovations driving higher margins. So there's an aspect there. The other component, as you rightfully call out, is the SKU reduction where, for instance, we have pruned the number of transducers in ultrasound significantly, which leads to lower R&D costs, lower quality costs and lower supply chain costs. So all of that helps to drive improvement of margins, which is also again seen in Q3. So for instance, I'll give you one other data point there. Our gross margin in Diagnostic Imaging, where we've done also a lot of product pruning SKU reductions has improved year-over-year despite the tariffs. So that gives you a good sense of, on the one hand, we have the innovations like CT 5300, like MR BlueSeal driving gross margin expansion. On the other hand, there's also the impact from Project Synchronizer SKU reduction. Now if you then talk about how should we think about that year-over-year, this is a journey. So we've seen some impact in 2025. We'll see some impact in 2026 and the years to come. And then your last sub-question in your question was around the sales impact that we see from that. There's nothing really that I can call out there that stands out. There's not a major impact on CSG as I would see it now. It's really to focus on the great innovations that we have and doubling down on selling those with -- so that's what we're focused on. And then your second.

Yes, maybe conclude on North America. So actually, indeed, we see kind of winners and losers in the U.S. So we see some smaller hospitals really being pressured. They're also more dependent on Medicare, Medicaid patients. So some of those also in urban areas. So there, actually, we see there's a lot of pressure. We are working with them on productivity solutions more. And then we see the ones that are strong are expanding, and we're also very strongly winning with them. So therefore, actually, you have seen sustained momentum in North America, also our double-digit order intake growth. We actually expect that to continue. We have no signs yet that kind of this market from the needs that we are serving is cooling down. And that's, I think, good news. So we actually expect continued strength in North America. That's also why we have kept investing in winning in America with the further footprint, the specific customer relations and partnerships that we are concluding there, and we are excited about the opportunity there.

That was the last question. Mr. Jacobs, please continue.

So thank you all for your questions. I think concluding, we delivered on our promise in Q3. Strong order intake growth, 8%. We had a positive step-up in sales growth to 3% and a margin expansion despite tariffs. Now we are fully focused on continuing to deliver in Q4 and therefore, concluding this year with in -- the reiteration of the sales range of 1% to 3%, we said that we would do upper end of our margin and strong cash delivery. And that will hopefully set us up for a good 2026, and we look forward to also kind of engage with you at the CMD. So thank you so much for your attention and your questions, and have a great further day.

This concludes the Royal Philips Third Quarter 2025 Results Conference Call on Tuesday, November 4, 2025. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.