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PennantPark Investment Corporation (PNNT)

Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 6, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the PennantPark Investment Corporation's Third Fiscal Quarter 2015 Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen-only mode. The call will be open for a question-and-answer session following the speakers' remarks. [Operator Instructions] It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Art Penn, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of PennantPark Investment Corporation. Mr. Penn, you may begin your conference.

Art Penn

Analyst · KBW

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to welcome you to PennantPark Investment Corporation's third fiscal quarter 2015 earnings conference call. I'm joined today by Aviv Efrat, our Chief Financial Officer. Aviv, please start-off by disclosing some general conference call information and include a discussion about forward-looking statements.

Aviv Efrat

Analyst · KBW

Thank you, Art. I'd like to remind everyone that today's call is being recorded. Please note that this call is a property of PennantPark Investment Corporation and that any unauthorized broadcast of this call in any form is strictly prohibited. Audio replay of the call will be available by using the telephone numbers and PIN provided in our earnings press release as well as on our website. I'd like to also call your attention to the customary Safe Harbor disclosure in our press release regarding forward-looking information. Today's conference call may also include forward-looking statements and projections, and we ask that you refer to our most recent filings with the SEC for important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these projections. We do not undertake to update our forward-looking statements unless required by law. To obtain copies of our latest SEC filings, please visit our website at www.pennantpark.com or call us at 212-905-1000. At this time, I'd like to turn the call back to our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Art Penn.

Art Penn

Analyst · KBW

Thank you, Aviv. I’m going to spend a few minutes discussing current market conditions, followed by a discussion of investment activity, the portfolio, the financials, our overall strategy, and then open it up for Q&A. As you all know, the economic signals are moderately positive with many economists expecting a slowly growing economy going forward. With regard to the more liquid capital markets, and in particular, the leverage loan in high yield markets, during the quarter ended March 31, those markets were relatively flat as high yield and leverage loan fund experienced some outflows due to expectations of Fed tightening. We saw and participated in a more active environment in the quarter due to increased M&A and financing activity. We remain focused on long term value and making investments that will perform well over several years that can withstand different business cycles. Our focus continues to be on companies or structures that are more defensive, have a low leverage, strong covenants and high returns as credit investors are one of our primary goals as preservation of capital. We preserve capital and usually the upside takes care of itself. As a business, one of our primary goals is building long term trust. Our focus is on building long term trust with our portfolio of companies, management teams, financial sponsors, intermediaries, our credit providers and of course our shareholders. We are a first call for middle market financial sponsors, management teams and intermediaries who want consistent credible capital. As an independent provider free of complex or affiliations, we’ve become a trusted financing partner for our clients. Since inception, PennantPark entities have financed companies backed by 150 different financial sponsors. We’ve continued to invest in our platform. We’ve recently hired senior investment professionals for the West Coast and Midwest regions of the United…

Aviv Efrat

Analyst · KBW

Thank you, Art. For the quarter ended June 30, 2015, recurring net investment income totaled $0.24 per share. In addition, we had $0.04 per share of other income. As a result, net investment income for the quarter was $0.28 per share. Looking at some of the expense categories, management fees totaled $11.7 million, general and administrative expenses totaled $1.7 million, and interest expense totaled $6.6 million. During the quarter ended June 30, net realized gain from investment was $13.8 million or $0.18 per share. Unrealized loss from investments was $30.1 million or $0.40 per share. Unrealized gain from our debt was about $600,000 or $0.01 per share and the accretive effect of our share buyback was $0.01 per share. Consequently, entity per share went down $0.21 from $10.25 to $10.04 per share. As a reminder, our entire portfolio credit facility and senior notes are mark-to-market by our Board of Directors each quarter using the exit price provided by independent valuation firms, securities and exchanges or independent broker dealer quotes when active markets are available under ASC 820 and 825. In cases where broker-dealer quotes are inactive, we use independent valuation firms to value the investments. Our overall debt portfolio has a weighted average yield of 12.4%. On June 30, our portfolio consisted of 64 companies across 30 different industries and was invested 30% in senior secured debt, 47% in second lien secured debt, 15% in subordinated debt and 8% in preferred and common equity. 71% of the portfolio has a floating rate including 65% with the floor and the average LIBOR floor is 1.3%. Now, let me turn the call back to Art.

Art Penn

Analyst · KBW

Thanks Aviv. To conclude, we want to reiterate our mission. Our goal is a steady, stable and consistent dividend stream, coupled with long-term preservation of capital. Everything we do is aligned to that goal. We try to find less risky middle market companies that have high free cash flow conversion. We capture that free cash flow primarily in debt instruments, and we pay out those contractual cash flows in the form of dividends to our shareholders. In closing, I'd like to thank our extremely talented team of professionals for their commitment and dedication. Thank you all for your time today and for your continued investment and confidence in us. That concludes our remarks. At this time, I’d like to open up the call to questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, sir. [Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from Troy Ward with KBW.

Troy Ward

Analyst · KBW

Great. Thank you and good morning, guys. Art, can you speak just a little bit on the energy portfolio. Quarter-to-date, there has obviously been additional oil price volatility and can you just talk a little bit about what the impact to your fair valuation across process, what the impact of actual oil price is on that fair value process?

Art Penn

Analyst · KBW

Yeah. That's a great question. As you know, we have independent valuation firms, looking at each and every investment every quarter. And it’s certainly, oil prices should impact valuation. On the other hand, each company has its own story. They’re doing different things, kind of underlying in terms of what they’re looking at in terms of non-core assets. And it's usually a combination of short-term as well as long-term outlook that the valuation firms take into account each quarter when they’re valuing these investments.

Troy Ward

Analyst · KBW

And you spoke about one of the companies actually using an asset as a form of liquidity and year-to-date I think you said. What is the opportunity for some of these energy companies to find buyers of, let’s say, non-core type of assets that they can increase their liquidity in the near term?

Art Penn

Analyst · KBW

That's a great question. That's why we have the comment about both looking at non-core asset sales, but also we're not a [indiscernible] we have to be long-term value investors. So it’s assessing what's available out there in terms of non-core assets as well as the price and the opportunity for the long run. We mentioned UniversalPegasus in the comments, because that’s an excellent case study of a situation, where for that particular company unfortunately, everything went wrong. What we’re getting to do? We converted some debt to equity, we invested more in the company. We changed out the CEO and over time, we worked it and we got back well more than our capital, we ended up getting a double digit return. So we may not get there with some of these companies, but we have a skill and expertise and mentality to do that if needed.

Troy Ward

Analyst · KBW

Okay. And then switching gears a little bit here on direct buy, your fair value was 58% in the quarter, obviously that's a name that's been circling for some time and then probably going through some form of additional restructuring. Another BDC in the space, we’ve talked about it before, has it marked at 22%. Can you just provide some color on the valuation process and maybe speak to the differentiation in those two fair value marks?

Art Penn

Analyst · KBW

Sure. Look, we're - on that particular name, we are on the board of the company and I’ve been in an insight perspective, the other BDC is not, the company is in transition, we are seeing that transition taking place. We're hopeful that the company will successfully transition and that could be the explanation for the two different valuations.

Troy Ward

Analyst · KBW

Okay. Then Aviv, just one, last question for you, on the income statement, you spoke to it, there is $0.04 of other income in the quarter. Can you provide just a little bit of color maybe on where that income was derived. Was there a fee - I assume there are normal origination fees, but was there an additional fee on maybe existing portfolio of company, for instance maybe RAM, on the tranche B to extend that?

Aviv Efrat

Analyst · KBW

RAM is not one of them, but it’s all over the math, like the ones that we exited or gave us a dividend. Again, it’s non-recurring. IDQ, for example, we recorded some penalty on that tranche. And prepaid legal gave us some amendment fees on the - so these are the three largest making up the $0.04.

Troy Ward

Analyst · KBW

Okay, great. Thanks guys.

Art Penn

Analyst · KBW

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And now we will hear from Douglas Harter with Credit Suisse.

Sam Choe

Analyst · Credit Suisse

Hi, this is actually Sam Choe filling in for Doug Harter. So given the recent weakness in the share price, I was wondering how you’re thinking about the rate of the share repurchases going forward?

Art Penn

Analyst · Credit Suisse

Choe, it's a great question. Look, we make an assessment each quarter and where the stock is, certainly, the stock is more attractive today than it was last quarter from a buying perspective, so we’re excited actually to go out and buy some stock at this level.

Sam Choe

Analyst · Credit Suisse

So it’s dependent. So I mean, I was just wondering at what you did this quarter, what’s reflective of how you guys are going to carry out the rest of the year?

Art Penn

Analyst · Credit Suisse

It’s hard to and we shouldn’t sit here and pan ourselves into a corner, when we set up the program, we assumed that we would methodically do it and rather at the end, and somewhat even pieces over the course of the year with the stock where it is, we may be a little bit more aggressive this quarter.

Sam Choe

Analyst · Credit Suisse

Got it, thank you.

Operator

Operator

And we’ll now take our question from Chris York with JMP Securities.

Chris York

Analyst · JMP Securities

Good morning guys and thanks for my questions. So just have one this morning, and wanted to take a little bit step back and talk about investment environment, so with the sale of Antares to CPPIB, the pension fund has said that it intends to expand the offerings with the junior capital products. So, as one of the largest BDCs with the focus on sub-debt, how are you expecting the dynamics to change in the markets where you guys traffic?

Art Penn

Analyst · JMP Securities

It’s a great question, we’ll see, this is all kind of prospective, the biggest competitive thread to all of us including Antares is the liquid markets which have generally been variable over the last couple of years, the aggressive high yield market, the aggressive syndicated second lien market, so that’s the biggest competitive thread. We’ve known Antares and the folks there for a lot time, we believe them to be good investors and rational investors, so for us it’s another rationale player in the world that we are going to see. Business as usual for us as lots of good and rational competitors out there that we are happy to partner with, we’d be happy to partner with them.

Chris York

Analyst · JMP Securities

Great, thanks Art.

Art Penn

Analyst · JMP Securities

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And next, we’ll hear from Mickey Schleien with Ladenburg.

Mickey Schleien

Analyst · Ladenburg

Good morning Art and apologize if I’m sort of beating a dead horse here but I do understand that the volatility in the oil and gas markets makes it valuing the energy investments very difficult. But when I look at names like the [indiscernible] I saw the Bloomberg showed a trade on June, 30 of 58 but you valued it at 85 and I just want to understand what are the metrics the board is looking at maybe in that case that supports that kind of disparity?

Art Penn

Analyst · Ladenburg

Sure. Look, every quarter there is an assessment made as to the liquidity and activity of names that are quoted and in this case, it was determined that that was not an active or liquid name, in which case we send it to the external valuation firm for independent valuation, the external valuation, it does take the broker dealer quote such that it is into account, looks at a variety of other factors and comes up with this value.

Mickey Schleien

Analyst · Ladenburg

Okay, we’ve actually saw some of other BDCs nibbling in the energy markets, I understand that PNNT the allocation is already fairly high but is that providing you some opportunities, either PNNT or PFLT to take advantage of?

Art Penn

Analyst · Ladenburg

That’s a good question, we said in our prepared comments that it might be a good time to invest. Look, we are fairly full, we believe in the diversified portfolio and in terms of PNNT and we don’t anticipate much movement up in terms of exposure to energy and oil and gas. And certainly for PFLT, which we set up to be even a different risk over at PNNT we will be very light in energy.

Mickey Schleien

Analyst · Ladenburg

Okay, thanks for your time this morning.

Art Penn

Analyst · Ladenburg

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Christopher Nolan with MLV and Company.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · MLV and Company

Hey, guys two questions. One, what is the window for your share repurchases this quarter close because according to the Q, you haven’t repurchased any shares so far in the current quarter.

Aviv Efrat

Analyst · MLV and Company

In the Q, we disclosed it for the quarter end being June 30, we bought $8 million worth of share repurchase and according to our quarterly spent or the window opening, usually you’re waiting 24 hours after we release the Q to let the news simmer and the window usually opens.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · MLV and Company

Okay, because I was just looking at the cover of the Q and it indicates as of August 5, your share count is about the same as it was at June 30.

Art Penn

Analyst · MLV and Company

Well, that’s right, we have a 30 day window after we announce earnings and that window for the prior quarter was over, we bought $8 million worth of stock; the window will open again tomorrow.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · MLV and Company

Great, thank for the clarification. The second, did I hear you correctly in terms of for RAM Energy on July 20; you are waving a payment from them. Could you give a little detail on that please?

Art Penn

Analyst · MLV and Company

The RAM Energy is current on its interest, they have about $20 million piece that matured July 20, we have temporarily waved at that maturity as they assess options and they’re looking at all the options and we’re working with them. It remains current on interest.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · MLV and Company

Okay. So, this is really principal repayment, correct?

Art Penn

Analyst · MLV and Company

Yes.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · MLV and Company

Great, thanks for taking my questions.

Art Penn

Analyst · MLV and Company

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And now, we’ll hear from Scott Valentin with FBR Capital Markets.

Tim Hayes

Analyst · FBR Capital Markets

Hi, this is actually Tim Hayes for Scott. The yield on your debt investments declined in the quarter about 200 basis points I believe. How much of that was due to asset mix and with spreads widening, do you expect yields and new investments to be higher in the September quarter?

Art Penn

Analyst · FBR Capital Markets

It’s a great question. Yields were little lower than our prior. We had a deal that was on the bubble of getting done in the quarter, which would have kind of brought the average yield up to 12%. The mix this quarter was more heavily stretched senior unit tranche personally-oriented deal. So, where we feel safe, we’re happy to take a little lower yield.

Tim Hayes

Analyst · FBR Capital Markets

Okay. And so, do you expect that one investment to close in the next quarter?

Art Penn

Analyst · FBR Capital Markets

We’re working on it. It may or may not close. We have other deals we’re looking at. Look, we’re shooting overall to get a double-digit ROE, which means we need to have healthy double-digit return on the portfolio and we’re very focused both on credit quality and return.

Tim Hayes

Analyst · FBR Capital Markets

Sure, okay. And finally, are you seeing any new attractive energy-related opportunities or are you still cautious there just given the continued decline in oil?

Art Penn

Analyst · FBR Capital Markets

We remain focused on our existing portfolio working with those companies and giving them all of our focus and attention to help them through this period of low oil prices. There could be some bargains out there. Too early to tell.

Tim Hayes

Analyst · FBR Capital Markets

Okay, Great, thank you.

Art Penn

Analyst · FBR Capital Markets

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We’ll now move on to a question from Jonathan Bock with Wells Fargo Securities.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Hey guys, thank you, it’s [indiscernible] for John Bock. I just wanted to touch upon Affinion, which sources - good sources of markdowns this quarter and actually with the CFPB, is the markdown related to say a fine or a higher cost structure, which might result in more of a permanent impairment or is this sort of a mark-to-mark given the situation. If we could give us any color there?

Art Penn

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Yeah, it’s a mark-to-market on the situation and they did have a deal and they did have a nice agreement with the CFPB, which was less than expected. They did announce earnings a couple of days ago. Their earnings were better than expected the market - the paper, which is liquid did trade up a few points in the secondary market. We still think the value of the some of the parts covers the debt and that’s why we’re still focused heavily on this name impact. Moved up capital structure but some of the secondly in this past quarter, which we think is very safe and had a good yield.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Very well, thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We’ll now take a question from Andrew Kerai with BDC Income Fund.

Andrew Kerai

Analyst · BDC Income Fund

Yes, hi, good morning. My questions have been asked and answered, but just wanted to reiterate as shareholders, we appreciate the buyback, and unlike certain BDCs who made excuses as to why they choose not to repurchase shares at discounts, we appreciate you being proactive in that approach. So, look forward to some more during the quarter.

Art Penn

Analyst · BDC Income Fund

Thank you, Andrew.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Melissa Wedel with JPMorgan.

Melissa Wedel

Analyst · JPMorgan

Hi, this is actually Melissa for Rick Shane. I was hoping to get a quick update on New Gulf and energy and exploration partners, as those seem to have slightly larger markets on the quarter than some other energy investments. Thanks.

Art Penn

Analyst · JPMorgan

New Gulf, as we said in our prepared remarks, last quarter sold some assets for $85 million, some non-core assets, midstream assets. They continue to work their cost structure, they continue to look for reasonable values on non-core assets and that’s all I can really tell you there. The other one was ENXP, was that the one [Technical Difficulty]. Nothing to report there.

Melissa Wedel

Analyst · JPMorgan

Okay, thanks. As a follow-up, can you talk a little bit about how the energy companies in your investment are approaching their hedging practices right now, given where oil is trading?

Art Penn

Analyst · JPMorgan

It’s a great question and each company has its own view and again that’s confidential information and we signed confidentiality agreements, but in some cases, management teams are loathed to be hedging here at these dollar prices. So, that’s the debate that almost all of these guys are having in their board rooms as to [indiscernible]. The hedges from the past do roll off over time. So, those hedges that were higher prices have been rolling off and I could tell you each management team and board is having this discussion about what to do about hedging going forward.

Melissa Wedel

Analyst · JPMorgan

Okay, thanks.

Art Penn

Analyst · JPMorgan

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And at this time, I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Penn for additional or closing remarks.

Art Penn

Analyst · KBW

Just want to thank everybody for being on the call today and thank you for your questions. We’re happy to speak to you next quarter in next quarterly conference call and intra-quarter, if you like, you know where to get a hold of us. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, sir. That does conclude today’s conference call. We do thank you all for your participation.