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The Pennant Group, Inc. (PNTG)

Q3 2025 Earnings Call· Thu, Nov 6, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to The Pennant Group Third Quarter 2025 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions]. Please be advised today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Kirk Cheney, Executive Vice President. Please go ahead.

Kirk Cheney

Analyst

Thank you, [ Kevin ]. Welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Here with me today, I have Brent Guerisoli, our CEO; John Gochnour, our President and COO; and Lynette Walbom, our CFO. Before we begin, I have a few housekeeping matters. We filed our earnings press release and 10-Q yesterday. This announcement is available on the Investor Relations section of our website. A replay of this call will also be available on our website until 5:00 p.m. Mountain Time on November 5, 2026. All statements are made as of today, November 6, 2025, and these statements will not be updated after today's call. Also, any forward-looking statements made today are based on management's current expectations, assumptions and beliefs about our business and operating environment. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to materially differ. Listeners should not place undue reliance on forward-looking statements and are encouraged to review our SEC filings for a more complete discussion of factors that could impact our results. Except as required by federal securities laws, Pennant and its affiliates do not publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements where changes arise from new information, future events or for any other reason. In addition, The Pennant Group, Inc. is a holding company with no direct operating assets, employees or revenues. Certain of our independent operating subsidiaries, collectively referred to as the service center, provide administrative services to the other operating subsidiaries through contractual relationships with such subsidiaries. The words Pennant, company, we, our and us refer to The Pennant Group, Inc. and its consolidated subsidiaries. All of our operating subsidiaries and the service center are operated by separate independent companies that have their own management, employees and assets. References herein to the consolidated company and its assets and activities as well as use of the terms we, us, our and similar terms do not imply that The Pennant Group, Inc. has direct operating assets, employees or revenue or that any of the subsidiaries are operated by The Pennant Group. Also, we supplement our GAAP reporting with non-GAAP metrics. When viewed together with our GAAP results, we believe that these measures can provide a more complete understanding of our business, but they should not be relied upon to the exclusion of GAAP reports. A GAAP to non-GAAP reconciliation is available in yesterday's press release and is available in our 10-K. And with that, I will turn the call over to Brent Guerisoli, our CEO. Brent?

Brent Guerisoli

Analyst · Jefferies

Thanks, Kirk, and welcome, everyone, to our third quarter 2025 earnings call. We are pleased to report another successful quarter with strong results across our business. The third quarter brought new highs in revenue, census, occupancy and earnings even as we prepared for the largest transaction in our history. In Q3, we reported revenues of $229 million, an increase of $48.4 million or 26.8% adjusted EBITDA of $17.3 million, an increase of $2.2 million or 14.5% and adjusted EPS of $0.30, an increase of $0.04 or 15.4% each over the prior year quarter. We closed on the UnitedHealth Amedisys transaction on October 1. We are excited to add these operations to Pennant. The United Amedisys process created a unique opportunity to add high-quality assets in desirable markets at an attractive valuation, rarely seen on larger deals with sophisticated operators. As we've closed the transaction and divided into the -- and dived into the businesses, our excitement has only grown. We have met many incredible leaders and team members who are deeply committed to their local communities. In the near term, we are heavily engaged in the complex integration matters that accompany such acquisitions, which we expect to create some lumpiness in results through the transition. But in the longer term, we see immense potential in these operations. Our recent Signature transition gives us a model. Only a year ago, Signature was the largest transaction in our history, completed in 2 tranches from August 2024 to January 2025 with locations across 3 states, the Signature acquisition was similar in many respects to this most recent deal. Signature enjoyed a deserved reputation as a quality operator, and we saw that we could build on their legacy through The Pennant model. Signature's transition has been a tremendous success. We have seen former Signature…

John Gochnour

Analyst · Truist

Thank you, Brent, and good morning, everyone. Q3 brought strong performance in both operating segments. Our Home Health and Hospice segment continued to drive record-breaking clinical and financial results. Segment revenue of $173.6 million increased $37.9 million or 27.9% and segment adjusted EBITDA of $26.8 million increased $5 million or 22.7% each over the prior year quarter. This was fueled by continued robust organic growth, coupled with continued execution on successful transitions. Our local leaders continue to demonstrate their ability to operate successfully through dynamic markets and conditions. As we have consistently said, our clinical results are the foundation of strong and lasting financial performance. In Q3, we saw an average CMS reported star rating of 4.1 compared with the industry average of 3 stars. Potentially preventable hospitalizations decreased to 8.4%, well below the national average of 9.9%. CMS reported hospice quality composite score improved to 97%, well above the national average of 92%. In short, our unique model of empowering local clinical leaders to make key decisions and support their teams based on local community needs continues to drive clinical outperformance. The impact of this clinical excellence continues to be demonstrated in our strong growth. Total home health admissions of 20,426 represent an increase of 36.2%. Same-store admissions increased 7% and revenue per episode increased 2.9% each over the prior year quarter. Our hospice business generated similar momentum as average daily census increased 17.4%. Hospice admissions increased 16.6% same-store average daily census increased 6.1% and average revenue per day increased 3.3%, each over the prior year quarter. We see significant opportunity for growth in our existing operations and an ability to add hospices to the many home health agencies we have recently acquired that currently lack an overlapping hospice operation. The momentum in our senior living business is significant…

Lynette Walbom

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. Detailed financial results for the 3 months ended September 30, 2025, are contained in our 10-Q and press release filed yesterday. For the quarter ended September 30, 2025, we reported total GAAP revenue of $229 million, adjusted EBITDA of $17.3 million, GAAP diluted earnings per share of $0.17 and adjusted diluted earnings per share of $0.30. This week, we closed on an amendment that added a $100 million term loan to our credit facility. We consider this prudent balance sheet management. As described in more detail in the 8-K and press release we issued yesterday, this amendment frees up additional capacity under our revolver and provides dry powder to deploy when appropriate. Key metrics for the 3 months ended September 30, 2025, include $30.2 million drawn on our revolving line of credit and $2.3 million in cash on hand at quarter end. 0.38x net debt to adjusted EBITDA and cash flows provided from operations of $27.3 million year-to-date, including $13.9 million in Q3. Our year-to-date results and the impact of our purchase of United Amedisys assets merit an increase in our full year guidance. Accordingly, we are revising and raising our full year 2025 guidance as follows: Full year total revenue is anticipated to be between $911.4 million and $948.6 million, full year adjusted earnings per diluted share between $1.14 and $1.18 and full year adjusted EBITDA between $70.9 million and $73.8 million. This updated guidance incorporates current operations and organic growth, diluted weighted average shares outstanding of approximately 35.7 million and a 26% effective tax rate. It anticipates continued strong operating performance through the end of the year, hospice reimbursement rate adjustments, increased interest expense and contributions from announced acquisitions that excludes unannounced acquisitions, start-ups, share-based compensation, acquisition-related costs, onetime implementation and…

Brent Guerisoli

Analyst · Jefferies

Thanks, Lynette. As we conclude, I'd like to thank all the operators and clinicians who, like those highlighted above, dedicate themselves daily to providing life-changing service to our patients and residents. You are truly making a difference in the lives and communities we serve, and it is an honor to work alongside you. With that, we'll open it up for questions. Kevin, can you please instruct the --

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Brian Tanquilut with Jefferies.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst · Jefferies

This is [ Megan Holz ] on for Brian Tanquilut. Congratulations on closing the Amedisys transaction and starting there. Now that you're a month in, what are some of your top priorities for integration, including the JV with the University of Tennessee? And then how should we be thinking about these assets contributing to earnings in 2026?

Brent Guerisoli

Analyst · Jefferies

Yes, Megan, thanks for the question. We're really, really excited about what we've found as we've gotten a chance to get into the operations and work closely with the teams out there. There's an amazing group of talented leaders, clinicians and staff, and it's been fun for our teams. And we've got folks from across the organization, owners who are anxious to help those agencies implement the payment model successfully. Our focus right now is, first, identifying and elevating leaders into our model where we've got an Executive Director and a clinical director in each local community able to meet the needs of that community. And so that's sort of our first in the order of operations. Our second, of course, we're focused on ensuring that these agencies receive exceptional support. So we are building a shared services organization that can ensure that the services they historically have received from Amedisys and from United through LHC that they experience no diminishment in those services. The third thing I'd highlight, and you called it out, the University of Tennessee joint venture. It's a really exciting joint venture with a lot of potential. We just had our first Board meeting out there, and there's a strong sense of support from the University of Tennessee, there's strong engagement in both hospice and home health. And so we're excited to add that to our JVs in California and our relationship with Hartford in Connecticut to allow us to continue to innovate clinically, to continue to produce outstanding financial results and to drive improvement in the legacy of what they've already created. So that's always sort of where we start is with leadership and then, of course, implementing our systems and processes. The transition, we expect it to be completed by the end of Q3 next year. And so we've got a transition services agreement in place for that period. And then we are gradually pulling each of those locations off of their systems and on to ours. As far as contribution, initially, we anticipate relatively light contribution in the fourth quarter. That's simply because we continue to have elevated costs associated with the transition and then bringing those businesses on and having a full picture of their performance will help us provide better guidance. In 2026, as we look forward, those businesses are currently performing about a 12.5% margin. We anticipate a modest decline as we go through a brand change as we go through a Homecare Homebase reimplementation into our tenant and as we gradually wean off of the transition services agreement. So we anticipate them performing between 9.5% and 11% in 2026. So that gives you a little bit of an idea. We're not guiding yet because we expect to have more clarity as we spend more time with the business and go through several month-end closes through the fourth quarter. But that's the way we're thinking about it right now.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst · Jefferies

Okay. And then for my follow-up, looking at the senior housing, you've seen strong momentum and occupancy approaches levels where operating leverage becomes more pronounced. I guess how should we be thinking about the trajectory of margins going forward in that business?

Brent Guerisoli

Analyst · Jefferies

Yes. Great question. Really, it's just a matter of -- as we add occupancy, we think that there's going to be more that's going to move to the bottom line. So really, over the last several years, the focus has been building the foundation, getting to -- back to the levels of occupancy that we were at pre-pandemic. And so we're pretty excited about the margin opportunity there. I mean we've had some pressures this past year just because some of the ARPA funding has gone away. So normally, we probably would have seen a little bit more elevated margin. But because of some of those pressures and other labor-related pressures, it hasn't moved quite as much. But from an incremental improvement standpoint, as we see additional occupancy rise, we should see incremental improvement on the bottom line margin as well.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Stephen Baxter with Wells Fargo.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst · Wells Fargo

This is [ Mitchell ] on for Steve. Just on the margin guidance, your previous guide assumed EBITDA margins would improve year-over-year in the second half, but the new guidance looks closer to flat. I know you mentioned G&A, but just want to understand if there are any other dynamics to consider there, specifically on the core business.

Lynette Walbom

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Yes. When we look at that, the other piece that needs to be factored in is NCI. We continue to have the NCI growth as we add this JV. And so because we back out NCI or it backed out in this guidance, that's also another piece that is impacting that EBITDA margin. So when you consider the NCI through the third quarter was $2.4 million, and we're anticipating about $1.9 million in NCI in Q4 impacting that EBITDA margin. And so I think that's the piece that's missing and maybe you look at it.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Got it. Very helpful. And then maybe just one more on same-store hospice length of stay. It appears to have increased year-over-year in each of the past 3 quarters. Is there anything you'd call out that's driving that? And just how are you thinking about that going forward?

Brent Guerisoli

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Yes. I appreciate the question, Mitchell. And really, what I would point out is we continue to return closer and closer to pre-pandemic levels. And this really is about where is the location of our patients who are receiving services. Historically, we had a very good mix between assisted living communities, senior skilled nursing facilities. And then, of course, most of our care is delivered in the home. We've seen a small tick up in the percent of care that's delivered in assisted living. We're really excited about where we sit from a length of stay standpoint. It reflects continued work to identify patients that are appropriate earlier in the process and allowing them to receive the benefits of hospice for a longer time. And that's why you can see the strength of our ADC on top of our strong admission momentum, both organically and with our new transitions. But that's really what's driving it is just a very modest uptick in the percent of our hospice patients that are housed in senior living communities.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from David MacDonald with Truist.

David MacDonald

Analyst · Truist

A couple of quick questions. One, just coming back to the Amedisys deal. That deal obviously took kind of a uniquely long time to close. I'm just curious if you could talk a little bit about the employees, what you're seeing in terms of just excitement that they now have visibility in terms of where those assets have landed. Just anything that you can talk about in terms of the reception that you're getting internally in terms of the assets that you picked up?

Brent Guerisoli

Analyst · Truist

Yes. I appreciate that question, David. It's been really remarkable to be a part of -- we went out at the end of September just before the close and had operators from across our organization and key resources from across Pennant who went to every location and met with the teams in town halls and took the opportunity to listen and to hear what their experience had been through the history and also through the transition period and also answer questions about who we are. Our web and media team did a remarkable job of putting together a website to consistently deliver information, both in video form as well as constantly updating frequently asked questions. And our goal has been throughout this process, like it is in any transition process to be as transparent as we can, and to be as responsive as we can to employees because we believe that in the long run, if we create a world-class employee experience that we're going to get the best talent and keep the best talent and be able to grow our business and impact the community we serve. And certainly, in this transition, we've seen a group of remarkable people, many of whom have been with these agencies for longer than 10 years, but certainly, a very strong contingent of clinicians who really believe in what they do and are committed to their communities and have embraced Pennant and our locally driven operating model and focus on how we can meet the needs of local referral sources and patients. And so that's been really exciting. And I think is part of the reason why we feel a sense of optimism that despite the challenges of offering new brands in the community, despite the fact that we've got to go through an HCHB transition, we haven't experienced material turnover at all. And I think we are doing our best to make sure people understand what life will be like at Pennant. And as a result, we're hopeful that we can keep these great teams together and build on the legacy that they've created.

John Gochnour

Analyst · Truist

Yes. I would just add one additional thought. One of the other things that has been really impressive about this group of leaders and these teams is even in the midst of all of this kind of chaos is obviously, this process has gone on for a long time. They've continued to perform at a high level with very little, if any, drop-off in census and financial performance, clinical performance. And that's really a credit to the teams that are there. They -- in many ways, they're like us, they love being in the communities they serve, and they reflect the people of their communities. And so they take a lot of pride in the work that they do. And so we've inherited a great group of operators that really want to make a difference. And so that's just another element of this that we might have expected to see a drop off, but it's actually -- they've continued to perform well.

David MacDonald

Analyst · Truist

Okay. And then just one other quick follow-up. If we look at the occupancy in senior living year-over-year, the growth in occupancy accelerated pretty nicely in the third quarter relative to the second quarter. Is there anything that you guys would call out in terms of stuff that you've been doing that is incrementally resonating? Or is that just kind of a little bit of just kind of ongoing growth? Just anything you would call out there just given the sequential improvement.

Brent Guerisoli

Analyst · Truist

Yes. Well, I think it's been years of ongoing investment in multiple different ways. First and foremost, it's been the investment in the leaders. Really, occupancy moves the quickest when we've got a great group of leaders and team members that are driving it, creating the right experience for residents and really reaching out in the community. And so as we've invested in the local leaders, they've been the ones that have really turned the tide from an occupancy standpoint. The other thing just we've actually made significant CapEx investments in a lot of these buildings over the last 2 or 3 years to bring them up to the standards that we'd expect and create an ambience or an experience for our residents that is meaningful and really just a great place to live. And then the other thing that I would say is we've had this balance of driving rate in terms of our revenue per occupied unit with the occupancy. And so as we've tried to improve the revenue quality, there's -- I think that's part of the reason why the occupancy has been somewhat flat. And now that we've -- I don't want to say totally optimized, but for the most part, our revenue quality is at a really strong level. And so because of that, the focus can be less on really replacing the low poor revenue quality with better revenue quality and really driving occupancy improvement. So that's another element. And then the last thing, which is probably a really critical piece in all of this is our overall digital marketing efforts. We've made significant investments on improving the sophistication of our outreach into the communities. We basically overhauled all of the brand websites and created kind of a local needs brand experience that has resonated with the communities that's driving improvement there. And then our ability to just capture leads is, as I said before, much more sophisticated. We've increased our spend as well. And so it's improving the outreach, too. So we're just getting better all across the board in each of these areas. And so that's -- now you're starting to see kind of the momentum really hit, and that's why that flywheel has started to really drive.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Raj Kumar with Stephens.

Raj Kumar

Analyst · Stephens

I appreciate the commentary on prudent growth within senior living. Maybe just kind of touching upon that. There seems to be kind of kind of increased activity amongst just market participants on the M&A front on that end. And Pennant has also made incremental investments throughout this year. So maybe just kind of any update on what you're kind of seeing from a market participant standpoint and a competitive standpoint on SO deals that you might be going after? And what's kind of the pricing environment looking like on that end and whether or not you're kind of seeing anything that's kind of outsized and beyond your comfort level and you're seeing any trends on that front?

Brent Guerisoli

Analyst · Stephens

Yes, Raj, I would just say there is a lot of activity right now in the senior living space in terms of acquisition opportunities. And the pricing is all over the map. So there are plenty of opportunities that are outside of our comfortable range, but there are also plenty of opportunities that are square in our target range. And so we're excited about the future -- what the future holds, the robust pipeline that we have right now. And obviously, we talked about this a lot. Our focus is really finding incredible leaders and getting them prepared to step into opportunities. And so that's the biggest limiting factor. There's going to be plenty of opportunities for us just in terms of availability. And we have as large a pipeline of CITs in -- both on the home health and hospice and on the senior living side. as we've ever had. And so from that standpoint, we're ready to go with these deals. And then just in terms of competition, yes, I mean, there is a little more noise, and there certainly are more players interested in this space. But at the same time, I think the amount of deals has increased as well. And so while there are -- there is competition in what we go out and try to get, at the same time, we have kind of a unique profile. And in a number of these deals, we have relationships with specific brokers or groups that have worked with us in the past that directly reach out to us and want us to participate. One of the things that we're seeing that's really critical right now, and we've seen it kind of over the last 5 years, COVID kind of bore out the fact that you've got…

Raj Kumar

Analyst · Stephens

Got it. And then maybe as my follow-up, just kind of focusing on the Amedisys assets. I know the profile of the deal has kind of changed throughout its inception. But maybe as we kind of look at what the identifiable synergies are from a baseline perspective, are you kind of willing to size that opportunity? And in terms of where you're seeing it is kind of on the cost front or the contracting front with payers? Just kind of any color on that would be great.

Brent Guerisoli

Analyst · Stephens

I think there's opportunities, Raj, in a lot of places. I think I'd group them into 3 areas. One of them is certainly improving their margins up to our target margin. And so we see some opportunity there. Like I telegraphed in the answer to Megan's question, we do expect through the transition, a little softer margin. But once we get through the transition, like we've seen with Signature, we believe that our model of transparently sharing data with local operators and building aligned incentive structures around that will create opportunities to drive margin improvement and acceleration. I think the second thing I would focus on is growth. Again, these communities have not had -- they don't have as many local solutions. They've got lots of big regional and national players, but we feel like there's an opportunity to really be the local solution of choice in each community and that, that can drive a bigger share of the market to our agencies. And so that's the second opportunity I'd highlight. And then I think the final thing that I would highlight is this is really a starting point or a jumping off point. We feel like throughout the Southeast, there's an opportunity to take the Pennant experience and The Pennant model and for that to improve outcomes throughout the states that we serve. As far as contracting goes, we are optimistic. We obviously have already begun conversations and communications with those payers. We do think there's -- there's opportunity on the contract front, but it's early in the process. And so I don't want to get too far ahead in projecting that we're going to be able to move those rates significantly. I do think our clinical quality gives us a unique opportunity, particularly the preventable hospitalization data that we shared today, that drives an overall lower cost to payers. And so we've got something unique to share in our clinical outcomes and in our ability to lower overall spend for managed care providers. And so we're confident going into those negotiations that we'll have success, but it's just early and too early to kind of project what that might look like.

Operator

Operator

And I'm not showing any further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to Brent for any further remarks.

Brent Guerisoli

Analyst · Jefferies

All right. Well, thank you, Kevin, and thank you, everyone, for joining us today.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's presentation. We thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect, and have a wonderful day.