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Q4 2017 Earnings Call· Fri, Feb 16, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Portland General Electric Company's Fourth Quarter 2017 Earnings Results Conference Call. Today is Friday, February 16, 2018. This call is being recorded. [Operator Instructions]. For opening remarks, I will now turn the conference over to Portland General Electric's Manager of Investor Relations and Corporate Finance, Chris Liddle. Please go ahead, sir.

Christopher Liddle

Analyst

Thank you, Kevin. Good morning, everyone. I'm pleased that you're able to join us today. Before we begin our discussion this morning, I'd like to remind you that we have prepared a presentation to supplement our discussion, which we'll be referencing throughout the call, and those slides are available on our website at investors.portlandgeneral.com. Referring to Slide 2, I'd like to make our customary statements regarding Portland General Electric's written and oral disclosures. There will be statements in this call that are not based on historical fact, and as such, constitute forward-looking statements under current law. These statements are subject to factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from the forward-looking statements made today. For a description of some of the factors that may occur and could cause such differences, the company requests that you read our most recent Form 10-K. Portland General Electric's fourth quarter and full year 2017 earnings were released via our earnings press release and the Form 10-K before the market opened today, both of which are available on our website. The company undertakes no obligation to update publicly any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. This safe harbor statement should be incorporated as part of any transcript of this call. Leading our discussion today are Maria Pope, President and CEO; and Jim Lobdell, Senior Vice President of Finance, CFO and Treasurer. Following their prepared remarks, we will open the lines for your questions. Now it's my pleasure to turn the call over to Maria Pope.

Maria Pope

Analyst

Thanks, Chris. Good morning, and thank you for joining us. Welcome to Portland General Electric's 2017 earnings call. During the year, we achieved several key objectives, and I'm pleased to share our results with you as well as discuss 2018 earnings guidance, provide updates on our operating performance, the economy in our service area, our participation in the Energy Imbalance Market and Integrated Resource Planning. Jim will then provide details on our upcoming rate case, tax reform, financial results and end with key assumptions supporting our outlook for 2018. On Slide 4, excluding adjustments for tax reform, our full year 2017 financial results were slightly ahead of the midpoint of our guidance with net income of $204 million or $2.29 per diluted share. When including the impacts of tax reform, we reported net income of $187 million or $2.10 per diluted share. Looking ahead, we are initiating 2018 full year guidance of $2.10 to $2.25 per diluted share, which reflects lower retail load this winter. Jim will provide more details later in the call. Turning to Slide 5. I'm proud to share that employees across the company did an excellent job in 2017 of serving our growing customer base. During -- according to the J.D. Power 2017 Electric Utility business customer satisfaction study, which was released just this last December, we were ranked highest in the West in business customer satisfaction. Our customers gave us high marks for customer service, billing and payment, power quality and reliability, communications, corporate citizenship and price. Additionally, our latest MSI research and TQS Research results reflect strong customer satisfaction, trust and favorability across all customer groups. In 2010, our T&D operations responded proactively to some of the largest storms in more than a decade. As a result, we experienced material increases in our strong…

James Lobdell

Analyst

Thank you, Maria. Turning to Slide 9. Yesterday, we filed our 2019 General Rate Case with the Oregon Public Utility Commission. This filing requests an overall price increase of 4.8% after adjusting for the effects of tax reform, which is effective January 1, 2019. The request is based on return of -- return on equity of 9.5%, a capital structure of 50% debt and 50% equity and a rate base of 4.86 billion. The filing fixed recovery of costs related to better serving our customers and building a smarter, more resilient system and includes the expectation of higher net variable power cost in 2019. Some of the primary elements of this filing include upgrading our customer information and meet our data management systems to provide better and more secure service, replacing and upgrading electrical equipment that poses reliability risk, equipping our substations and distribution lines with technology that will help shorten outages, strengthening safeguards to protect against cyber attacks and other potential threats and adding infrastructure to support rapid growth in the region while helping to maintain reliability for all of our customers. We are respectful of the impact price increases have on our customers, and we are committed to protecting affordability and reliability. Regulatory review of the 2019 GRC will occur throughout 2018, with a final commission order expected to be issued by the end of 2018. Turning to Slide 10. In response to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act, we filed a deferral application with the OPUC on December 29. The intent of the filing is to defer all regulatory items with 2017 and 2018 financial impacts for a future refund to customers. If the deferral application is approved as requested, any refund to customers associated with the tax reform would be subject to an earnings test and…

Maria Pope

Analyst

Thank you, Jim. Although seasonably warm weather has significantly impacted our lows as we start 2018, we are focused on initiatives to drive value for customers and shareholders. On Slide 15, this includes enhancing system reliability and investments to better serve customers, investing in clean energy and building a smarter, more resilient grid. And now, operator, we're ready for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Julien Dumoulin-Smith with Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

So quick question, if I can follow up on the guidance here. Can you quantify in the '18 numbers what the onetime effects are of weather? And perhaps also just help us understand what the trajectory of O&M inflation should be and perhaps to whatever extent this could be sort of onetime-ish in terms of the upticks. Or how structural is the inflation that we're seeing and given the greater lag?

James Lobdell

Analyst

Well, Julien, the things to consider is for weather, weather is about $0.11. It means we had the second-warmest January on record. So significantly impact our revenues going into the beginning of the year, and we are starting -- we have seen a pretty warm start to the month of February. So we'll just have to continue to watch that and see what the rest of the year looks like. From an O&M perspective, there is some growth. We've seen -- associated with some of the power plants and the distribution operations is where we're out there, trying to deal with all the growth that's occurring in the service territory. So I don't see it trajectory that's going to continue to increase. If anything, we're going to be spending a lot of time this year as we do in other years, trying to be able to maintain or reduce that as much as possible, especially given what we have seen from our current low forecast. Hopefully, that answers the question for you.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

Absolutely. So just going forward, can you give us a sense of how you think about lag in the subsequent years? Obviously, you have a pretty meaningful rate case in front of you here. Any kind of shifts in your expectations? I know it's always tough to talk about sort of a multiyear view here.

James Lobdell

Analyst

No, not really. As I pointed out in my points, one of the things that we do have going on in 2018 is we're expecting our customer information system to come online. And when that comes online, obviously, we've got the revenue requirement associated with that we are filing a deferral application, and we're assuming that based on, historically, the support that we've been receiving from the commission that they will be able to defer those costs. So that could be a onetime item.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

Got it. And then quickly, following up on the procurement activities. Where are you in these negotiation activities for the thermal side potentially or the capacity side?

Maria Pope

Analyst

Sure. So Julian, coming out of our IRP were three main areas. The first was capacity projects, and those contracts total about 300 megawatts. They have been finished up, and we've announced those. They go largely through 2025 a little bit beyond. Second is the RFP for wind, and we will be issuing a draft RFP shortly that will be overseen by the independent evaluator and the PUC, and that is for an average of 100 megawatts. And then thirdly was a series of studies. The first and most important of which is the Deep Decarbonization study, which has been done by Evolved Energy Research. It was just recently rolled out this past week to parties within the state, and really talks about the rapid increases in uses of the electricity as we see more fuel switching, continued grid modernization and leveraging technologies away to overall reduce the carbon impact of our sectors as well as other sectors in the economy.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

Got it. And ownership potential on those pieces, just to be clear here.

Maria Pope

Analyst

Sure. As I mentioned in our prepared remarks, we are preparing and have been working collaboratively with a partner on an ownership option for the renewable RFP, and we continue to work collaboratively with that party.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Christopher Turnure with JPMorgan.

Christopher Turnure

Analyst · JPMorgan.

You certainly gave a bunch of details in the press release and in your comments, Jim, on kind of the rate case filing and a lot of the components of it, but I just wanted to make sure I understood the broad strokes. So you're asking for, I think, close to a 5% hike in rates, but that already includes the benefits to customers of tax reform in line ROE to what you currently have, and the deferral for the CIS system would not be part of that ask. But it's still a pretty big number. Is there something I'm missing there? Or are there other kind of costs or deferrals that will be taken off your balance sheet that might be driving up that number that we might not kind of see it flow through to your bottom line?

James Lobdell

Analyst · JPMorgan.

No, I think you've got the items right. The deferral associated with the CET when we go into 2019, we would expect the costs associated with that deferral to start amortizing that point. It really depends on what agreement we come with the -- or come to with the commission associated with it.

Christopher Turnure

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Okay. So there would be a little bit of an impact on the ask at least in that number from the customer perspective?

James Lobdell

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Indeed.

Christopher Turnure

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Have you disclosed how much that's hurting you versus not existing at all in 2018 in your guidance?

James Lobdell

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Are you talking about the revenue requirement associated with the customer information system?

Christopher Turnure

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Yes, I guess, it would be equivalent to the revenue requirement for that. So basically, how much are you getting hurt by that in 2018?

James Lobdell

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Well, we're deferring it, so we're not assuming that we're getting hurt by it. We're assuming we'll get the deferral application approved by the Commission. And so...

Christopher Turnure

Analyst · JPMorgan.

I misspoke, I wanted to see how much that would be even though, as you're saying, you are not getting hurt by the 2018 [indiscernible]?

James Lobdell

Analyst · JPMorgan.

You got me -- let me address it this way. There's about -- with the customer information system, we have assumed that it is included in our earnings guidance as a deferral. So we're not being harmed by it. There's no drag associated with it. The amount associated with that deferral is probably about $0.10.

Christopher Turnure

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Okay. Great, that's what I was driving at. Perfect. And then if we just assume your current CapEx plan, it looks like you are not anticipating any equity needs this year. Do you have a sense as to whether or not ex IRP success you might need to [up the] [ph] equity markets next year?

James Lobdell

Analyst · JPMorgan.

You're correct that absent anything associated with the RFP, we don't need any equity needs, and it's to be seen as to what comes out of the RFP process.

Christopher Turnure

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Okay. So without RFP success, let's say, in 2019 and 2020, you're still comfortable with the current ratings from the credit agencies in your balance sheet that you would not need equity?

James Lobdell

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Yes.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Mike Lapides with Goldman Sachs.

Michael Lapides

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

A couple of questions. First, can you quantify the impact on cash flow from tax reform in 2018? I know you talked a little bit about it, I just -- I'm not sure I captured the numbers around it.

James Lobdell

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Mike, we didn't provide a number around it, but it's pretty minor.

Michael Lapides

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Got it. So sub-$25 million or $30 million or something in that, south of that number?

Maria Pope

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Seems reasonable.

Michael Lapides

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Okay. Second, Maria, you've had a couple of months now in the new role. How are you thinking strategically? How are you thinking about what your strategic imperatives, what you want the company to do differently under your leadership over the next 3 to 5, 3 to 7 years?

Maria Pope

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Sure. Thank you, Michael. It will really focus on a number of areas. As Jim outlined, our current capital expenditure forecast is weighted very heavily to reinforcing the resiliency and reliability of our distribution system as well as enhancing our transmission assets. We also are, right now, serving a very rapidly growing customer base that's transforming from largely an industrial type of colony based on natural resources to much more high-tech focus. We will be focusing a lot more on Smart Grid initiatives, and you'll see more announcements of that to come in future quarters as well as continuing our trajectory of delivering customers the green energy that they want. Being in Oregon and serving our customer base, we've been very successful in meeting their needs to date, and they are rapidly changing in their expectations. Also, we're seeing quite a bit of additional interest in our regulatory processes and wanting us to speed up in delivery of many of the things that we have been working on. So I think you'll see much more rapid execution as we move forward.

Michael Lapides

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Got it. And if I think about your cash flow, and you have talked some about your cash flow coming up this year and what your cash for operation was in 2017. Given your CapEx needs and if you layer on the fact that you can issue secured debt you need to keep, you don't want to become over advertised, it seems that like you're going to be a significant cash generator over the next couple of years. If you don't win something in their renewable RFP, how do you think about the uses of that cash?

Maria Pope

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

So as we look at the opportunities that we have in our underlying capital needs, we are really optimistic about the opportunities that we'll see, and I think those are all highly aligned with what customers want to see us doing over the next 5-plus years. Additionally, we're also mindful of making sure that we're returning adequate returns to our shareholders not only in the form of our underlying growth, but in terms of dividends as well.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Paul Fremont with Mizuho.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Mizuho.

This is Agustina [ph]. So our first question is you mentioned that you're expecting the RFP to be completed in '18. So would that include the commission approval?

Maria Pope

Analyst · Mizuho.

That's our hope. And it's important because we're also expecting that we will be able to enable the use of existing production tax credits, which obviously have a shelf life and expire, and we all want to make sure that we capture those benefits for customers given that they're substantial.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Mizuho.

Okay, great. So the other thing would be after remeasuring the deferred tax liabilities, you identified that $340 million to be deferred as the regulatory liability so based off of your filing, your recent December filing, where the estimated 2018 defer would be $60 million to $70 million, the amortization period would be roughly 5 to 6 years, is that correct?

James Lobdell

Analyst · Mizuho.

The amortization period would be based on the underlying assets. So it would be 30 years for that matter, it just depends on what physical asset the deferral was associated with.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Mizuho.

With the annual benefit from the -- just from the tax change?

James Lobdell

Analyst · Mizuho.

I'm talking about the deferral associated with the underlying revaluation of the deferred asset -- or the deferred tax liability.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Mizuho.

Yes. And the $60 million to $70 million, what was it concerning?

James Lobdell

Analyst · Mizuho.

2017 and 2018 deferral amounts. In our customer prices, we have a statutory tax rate...

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Mizuho.

Of 39%.

James Lobdell

Analyst · Mizuho.

Or effectively charging customers for the 35%, but you had the liabilities going to beat the 21%. So it has to do with that.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Mizuho.

Okay. Perfect. And does the $4.86 billion rate base included includes the tax reform adjustments?

James Lobdell

Analyst · Mizuho.

Yes.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Mizuho.

Okay. All of them. So a possible increase in rate base coming from the deferred income taxes plus the refunds from the change in tax rate, right?

James Lobdell

Analyst · Mizuho.

Yes. The reduction and the deferred tax liability causing the increase in rate base -- net rate base.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Steve Fleishman with Wolfe Research.

Steven Fleishman

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

It's Steve Fleishman. Was that me? I couldn't hear.

James Lobdell

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

Yes. It's you Steve.

Maria Pope

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

Yes.

Steven Fleishman

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

Okay, great. So apologize for clarifications. So the deferral that you're booking in 2018, obviously it protects you in terms of costs for the system. But just in terms of return like debt and equity return, could you just clarify whether you get any debt or equity return in the deferral?

James Lobdell

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

When we file the deferral, we're filing it without the equity return. It doesn't show up until you start amortizing the amount. [Indiscernible] in the deferral, the amortization of the underlying asset.

Steven Fleishman

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

Okay, great. And then just -- I may have missed this, but in the past, you've talked about continuing to invest more in the core capital plan and the system kind of reviewing that pretty much once a year or so. So is there another chance that we'd see the capital plan come up when you do that review of the kind of core distribution system?

Maria Pope

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

Yes, I would expect so. In addition, where you're investing in the core to where you're adding in automation and additional resiliency, there's some differences between the two, but the net difference would be an increase probably in capital expenditures.

Steven Fleishman

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

And when would that kind of happen? Usually, like third quarter or something? Or...

Maria Pope

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

Yes, exactly. Right about the third quarter.

James Lobdell

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

And the third quarter is when we meet with the board and go over the annual capital plan and operating plans for the upcoming year. So at that particular point in time is we have those discussions with the board, and then we updated our CapEx table.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is a follow-up question from Michael Lapides with Goldman Sachs.

Michael Lapides

Analyst

Just curious can you touch a little bit what the biggest drivers of higher O&M cost in 2018 over '17 were and how you think about the trajectory there longer term?

James Lobdell

Analyst

The '17 over '18, what we're seeing is continued growth in the service territory that is driving up some of our O&M costs. We're spending a lot of money on the cybersecurity side of the house, so IT is a big driver. I don't see these things as being a trajectory, a perpetual trajectory, it will be over the next couple of years. As I mentioned earlier, we're spending a great deal of time as we have in the past, but even digging even deeper into our O&M expense over the 2018 time period to try and see how much of the January results that we'll be able to offset -- the January warm weather, that is.

Michael Lapides

Analyst

Got it. Okay. And just curious could you talk about the growth kind of in the service territory leading to some higher O&M, but you're not really seeing demand growth. I'm just struggling to kind of tie up those 2 points.

Maria Pope

Analyst

Sure. Michael, what we saw near term was from a higher levels of energy efficiency than we have seen in the past. In particular, as we look forward to 2018, we're looking at energy efficiency roughly of about 1.6%. So when you look at the pretty dramatic increases in our population, about 1.3% to 1.4%, that's driving a lot of construction growth in our distribution system. It isn't necessarily translating into higher loads near term. But as we look at longer term, we're seeing substantial expansions at places like Nike, not only in terms of office, but in terms of manufacturing. We're seeing substantial expansion across the tech sector in semiconductor manufacturing with 3 new Amazon fulfillment centers being built in our service area over the next few years, and then, of course, rapidly expanding data centers. What we're going through short term is really a transformation. As I mentioned in prepared remarks, we've seen a very large paper company ceased its operations. We've also seen capacity reductions and other traditional industries such as metal manufacturing and then obviously the solar sector has been hit hard. So we're going through in a short period of time with transformation. But longer term, we feel very confident in our growth numbers, and our team in the operation are doing work to support that and build that in terms of line and substation extensions.

Michael Lapides

Analyst

Got it. And then last thing, Maria. Just curious for your thoughts, kind of big picture, utility sector M&A and your views on whether tax reform impacts utility sector M&A broadly.

Maria Pope

Analyst

As you know, every quarter, we tell you that we don't comment on M&A. And so I'll probably keep it to that. And probably the tax experts who will know about interest deductibility at the holdco level better than we do

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst · KeyBanc.

Just follow up on the CIS kind of in this period where it's doing nothing. Is it earning a return or building the rate base associated with?

James Lobdell

Analyst · KeyBanc.

No, it's accumulating AFUDC as we're continuing to finish the system.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst · KeyBanc.

Okay. And when will it be finished?

James Lobdell

Analyst · KeyBanc.

It will be finished in the second quarter.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst · KeyBanc.

And then I assume you're not going to entertain it. But in this rate case or feature rate cases, would you bring up decoupling? Or is that just a nonstarter in Oregon?

James Lobdell

Analyst · KeyBanc.

Well, we have decoupling currently, and we are -- as part of the 2019 General Rate Case, we've asked for an extension of it. It's supposed to expire at the end of 2019, and we're asking for some additional improvements in the determination of the decoupling as well.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst · KeyBanc.

I'm sorry. I should be more clear, weather-based decoupling?

James Lobdell

Analyst · KeyBanc.

We are doing a couple of things. Yes, a little bit more on the weather in decoupling fund mechanism. But also in the General Rate Case, we are looking at trended weather versus just going back and mitigate some of the historical. If you look at some of the weather trends that we've been seeing recently, we think that they are more impactful than what we have seen as far as some of the long-term history and the metrics that have been used to determine some of the weather that we've included in the General Rate Case.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Greg Orrill with UBS.

Gregg Orrill

Analyst · UBS.

Just a clarification in the rate case you filed, what's the test year there?

James Lobdell

Analyst · UBS.

2019.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Travis Miller with Morningstar.

Travis Miller

Analyst · Morningstar.

I wanted to go back to the storage element. And I think I heard you correctly, you talked before the $50 million to $100 million. Can you just talk about some of the variables in that range? Is that cost side? Is there a variable here in the number of megawatts? Just wonder if you could talk about that range.

Maria Pope

Analyst · Morningstar.

I think there'll be variables in all of that. We'll go out for competitive solicitations. We're looking for energy storage in roughly 3 different categories. The first would be customer side. The second would be connected to our substations and the distribution system. And the third would be located next to some of our generation facilities. In particular, the number of projects will vary as well the outcome of the competitive process.

Travis Miller

Analyst · Morningstar.

Okay. And you kind of answered my second question on the large scale versus small scale. How much do you see that break down, in those three? Would the customer side be any greater or smaller and any of the other two that you mentioned?

Maria Pope

Analyst · Morningstar.

So we're going to be looking at the economics and the value to the system of each. And so at this point in time, it's too early to forecast.

Travis Miller

Analyst · Morningstar.

Okay. And then real quick clarification again. The $86 million rate case, did that include the amortization of the tax benefits or not included?

James Lobdell

Analyst · Morningstar.

It does include.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from [indiscernible] with Avon Capital Advisors.

Andrew Levi

Analyst

It's Andy Levi. So just on the $0.11 of the weather, is that versus normal or is that versus last year?

James Lobdell

Analyst

Versus normal.

Andrew Levi

Analyst

Okay. So is it fair to say everything else equal that weather took down your guidance by $0.10, or not?

James Lobdell

Analyst

Yes, it took down our guidance.

Andrew Levi

Analyst

Okay. So absent that, you would have been in the $2.20 to $2.35 range, is that kind of the way we think about it?

James Lobdell

Analyst

Absent that, we would have been higher. A few other moving pieces out there, but that was the big driver associated with it.

Andrew Levi

Analyst

Okay, I got that. And then just on the wind RFP, is there any way to quantify -- I didn't get, you may not win it, but how much CapEx we're talking about there if that were to come to fruition?

Maria Pope

Analyst

Obviously, the amounts are known for how much their capacity cost. And on our last experience at Tucannon and Biglow is known out there. At this point in time, it's too preliminary for us just to say we haven't forecast any numbers of what it might be.

Andrew Levi

Analyst

Okay. And then just again, obviously, you just gave '18 guidance. But just kind of looking at '19, just to understand. So that $0.10 that you talked about as far as for the customer information system? I'm sorry if I didn't hear enough, that was not part of the rate case? Or is part of the rate these?

James Lobdell

Analyst

It is. The $0.10 has to do with the deferral application for the revenue requirement associated with the system in 2018. In 2019, the entire cost of the system is included in our filing, and also I would assume that the deferral is as well.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst · KeyBanc.

Just on the wind RFP, you said 100 average megawatts, right?

Maria Pope

Analyst · KeyBanc.

Yes, absolutely.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst · KeyBanc.

And that in local capacity factors, that probably translates to, what, 300 megawatts?

Maria Pope

Analyst · KeyBanc.

That's kind of rough rule of thumb that we use.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from [indiscernible].

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I was wondering, it would be really helpful as you present next time whenever you are at the conference or anything, that if you could share with us a walk-through slide from '17 to '18, because it's very hard to kind of see how the things are moving. You've talked a little bit about it on the call, but it would be really helpful for disclosure purposes that we have a walk-up slide that walks us through from '17 actual to the '18 guidance. So if you can think about it, I would really appreciate it as an investor.

Maria Pope

Analyst

Okay. Thank you for the feedback.

Operator

Operator

And I'm not showing any questions at this time.

Maria Pope

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. For those of you attending the Bank of America Merrill Lynch Conference in February or the Williams Conference in March, Jim and I look forward to seeing you. We appreciate everyone's interest in Portland General Electric, and invite you to join us when we report our first quarter 2018 results in late April. Thank you very much for joining us today.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's presentation. You may now disconnect, and have a wonderful day.