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Pioneer Power Solutions, Inc. (PPSI)

Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Mon, Nov 23, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to today's Pioneer Power Solutions, Incorporated Third Quarter 2015 Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time I’d like to turn the conference over to Jeff Stanlis of Hayden IR of Hayden IR. Please go ahead.

Jeff Stanlis

Management

Thank you, Angela. Good day and welcome to Pioneer Power Solutions 2015 third quarter financial results conference call. The call today will be hosted by Nathan Mazurek, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Andrew Minkow, Chief Financial Officer. Following this discussion there will be a formal Q&A session open to participants on the call. We appreciate having the opportunity to review the third quarter and year-to-date financial results. Before we get started let me remind you that this call is being broadcast over the Internet and that a recording of the call and the text of management's prepared remarks will be available on the company's website. During this call management will make forward-looking statements. These statements are based on current expectations and assumptions that are subject to risk and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. Please refer to the cautionary text regarding the forward-looking statements contained in the earnings release issued today, and in the posted version of these prepared remarks, both of which apply to the content of this call. I will now turn the call over to Nathan Mazurek, Chairman and CEO. Nathan?

Nathan Mazurek

Management

Thank you, Jeff. Good afternoon everyone and thank you all for joining us today for our conference call. Our third quarter financial results show improvements against last quarter at an operational level, but these results are masked by non-operational largely non-cash expenses which Andrew Minkow, our CFO will discuss in a few minutes. I’m especially encouraged with these results. From our restructuring plan we indicated will be coming in our second quarter earnings call and believe these changes put Pioneer in a position to return to acceptable levels of profitability. Just as importantly, these changes will make us more competitive in certain areas of our business helping us accelerate growth. The key elements of the restructuring plan have proceeded ahead of schedule mostly during the fourth quarter this year and our losses from our Bemag Canadian business has been reduced significantly. I would point out that most of the savings we expect from the restructuring plan have not yet been reflected in our results which leaves me more encouraged about the $1 million sequential improvement in our EBITDA this quarter. As previously discussed, we are taking decisive actions to improve profitability including the consolidation of six manufacturing facilities to three facilities. The largest phase of this consolidation has occurred already on October 31st, and will begin to benefit the company in the fourth quarter with a more significant and sustained benefit in 2016 and beyond. At the same time, activities are underway to consolidate our two Los Angeles facilities into one and combining two existing locations in Minnesota into one. We have -- in addition we have closed one sales and service location in Iowa, which region will be covered by our resources in adjacent states. We have also outsourced the manufacturing of certain lower margin products which began benefiting…

Andrew Minkow

Management

Thank you, Nathan. Third quarter revenues were $24.9 million down 4.5% from $26.1 million in the third quarter of 2014. The $1.2 million year-over-year decrease was driven primarily by a $4.5 million decrease in our T&D solutions segment which was partially offset by a $3.4 million in our Critical Power Solutions segment. This increase in Critical Power was driven by acquisition of Titan which contributed by itself $5.7 million in revenue in the third quarter. Gross profit for the third quarter was $4.8 million or a 19.4 gross margin compared to a $6.7 million gross profit or a 25.7% gross margin in the third quarter of 2014. The decrease in gross margin percentage was driven mostly by an unfavorable sales mix within our larger T&D Solution segment, and lower sales of paralleling switchgear related revenue in our Critical Power Segment in 2015, as compared to the year ago period. For the quarter, selling, general and administrative expense, excluding depreciation and amortization increased 13.2% or $4.4 million, as compared to $3.9 million in the third quarter of 2014. Most of this increase is attributable to the Critical Power segment as a result of the acquisition and inclusion of Titan in our result. T&D Solution Segment, SG&A expense decreased by $44,000, down 1.6% over the last year. As a percentage of our revenue, SG&A expenses, excluding depreciation and amortization increased from 15% of revenue in the third quarter of 2014 to 17.8% of revenue in the third quarter of 2015. Operating loss for the quarter was approximately $3.3 million including restructuring charges of $3.4 million compared to operating income of approximately $2.8 million in the third quarter of 2014. The decline was driven largely by impairment charges arising out of the restructuring and our plans to consolidate six manufacturing facilities into three…

Nathan Mazurek

Management

Thank you, Andrew. Operator, I'd like to now open the call for questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And we'll take our first question from Matt Koranda with ROTH Capital.

Matt Koranda

Analyst

Hey, guys. Good evening. Thanks for taking the questions.

Nathan Mazurek

Management

Hey, Matt.

Matt Koranda

Analyst

Just wanted to start off with 2015 outlook, [indiscernible] cutting near term the outlook, significant amount here. Maybe you could just talk about specifically where you're seeing the order delays in what business segment? And was that already in the backlog and it’s just delivery has slipped or were those purchase order you were expecting that have not yet come through? Just maybe a little color around that please?

Nathan Mazurek

Management

That's really from two segments. It’s the service primarily Verizon and Target in the service side in the Critical Power business. These are awards – these are contracts that are already [spent] [ph]. They're just really shutting it down for the fourth quarter really for themselves. They're not spending right now for the fourth quarter and taking it to the bunker. And the other reduction is that - were going to be portion of the large solar project that we were awarded was going to – some of that was going to go in an accelerated basis in December, that's been pushed back to all into 2016.

Matt Koranda

Analyst

Okay. Got it. And then, essentially is that just flowing through then to the non-GAAP EPS expectations as well, I mean, did that hit your margin? Just talk about the moving pieces in terms of kind of the bottom line that you guys have cited to for 2015?

Andrew Minkow

Management

Those delays are definitely a part of it and we’re also expecting some other non-recurring type expenses as a result of some of the news we disclosed on this call.

Matt Koranda

Analyst

Okay. But wouldn't those non-recurring expenses be adjusted out of your non-GAAP outlook?

Andrew Minkow

Management

Yes, they would.

Matt Koranda

Analyst

Okay. So, those wouldn't really impact the lower non-GAAP EPS guidance. It’s really just – I'm trying to get at it, is there anything below the line that would be moving that non-GAAP EPS down materially further or is it just -- it does sound like just the revenues that were delayed from these orders are what is really driving that lower non-GAAP EPS outlook for 2015?

Andrew Minkow

Management

It's primarily delayed revenue.

Matt Koranda

Analyst

Okay. Got it. Thanks. And then just 2016, I mean, maybe talk about your visibility in 2016 outlook. I know it’s a preliminary set of guidance that you guys have given, but what gives you confidence in that preliminary outlook; it sounds like - just give me the puts and takes there, I guess.

Nathan Mazurek

Management

Yes. The big part - it’s both on the revenue - on the cost side, on the revenue side we've been awarded the Siemens brand label agreement through Jefferson, because of the new Department of Energy standards we're getting a larger piece of that contract at a higher price. That's a big revenue grower. The Pacific business together with the original business that we had in Los Angeles, their visibility is very strong and indeed as I said earlier, they're exceeding our expectations already for the first and second quarter from a revenue and hopefully profitability point of view for 2016. The liquid-filled business, pretty much the first quarter is done and that's on track, if not a little higher than we would expect and we were initially projecting. So we're pretty buoyant on the – and then again the segments that – one of the segments that’s been dragging badly this year, the switch gear part of the Critical Power Solutions business which did very little revenue, less than a million this year is already probably approaching 2.5 for the first half of the year. That makes a big difference to us to go from – basically to go from a loss to a contributor again from an EBITDA point of view. From a cost point of view, the facility consolidation and the outsourcing that we've done with our partner business in India, all things remaining the same is going to represent a huge cost reduction across a broad spectrum of products for us. So, that's really in a nutshell that's the optimism for 2016. We're not projecting better economic conditions. We're not projecting any resurgence in oil and gas or favorable movements in the Canadian dollar, nothing like that.

Matt Koranda

Analyst

Okay. Got it. That's helpful. And then, you mentioned the Pacific Power tracking ahead of the expectation. Could you give us the contribution to revenues this quarter in Q3?

Andrew Minkow

Management

Q3 it was small. It's about $140,000 and one element I left off our answer before is that our guidance for this quarter had originally included a larger portion of revenue from Pacific for jobs that were in process at the time of the acquisition, which is over $1 million. And in the end the way we closed that acquisition as we left [indiscernible] those jobs and the revenue associated there with the older owner, so didn't get account them in our result.

Matt Koranda

Analyst

Okay. Got it. So ex those projects that is tracking ahead of your expectations then was the 140,000 contribution?

Nathan Mazurek

Management

Yes.

Matt Koranda

Analyst

Okay. Okay. Got it. In terms of the charges for the payroll tax compliance issues, maybe we could zero in on just specifically was with a particular business segment or is it across the segment?

Andrew Minkow

Management

It was across payroll taxes for U.S based employees.

Matt Koranda

Analyst

Okay. So, for all U.S. based employees, okay?

Andrew Minkow

Management

Right.

Matt Koranda

Analyst

Okay. Got it. And then, how much of that $1.2 million accrual that you guys talk is potentially going to be a cash payout to the IRS, or penalties and I guess for past due payroll taxes or is it I guess maybe just some color around that would be helpful?

Nathan Mazurek

Management

Right. So the 1.2 is 80,000 is interest, the balance is the maximum penalties that could be possibly be assessed. It's our expectation that that's not going to happen. Indeed, we are in a position – we're probably, it’s most if not all should be abated, but obviously we don't know any of that and it’s going to months before that's going to be hammered out in any way with the IRS. So we took the biggest and broadest accrual, maximum number of penny -- maximum number we could take this quarter, because we don't know otherwise.

Matt Koranda

Analyst

Okay. What gives you confidence that it gets abated, I guess, just a little color on that?

Nathan Mazurek

Management

I have to careful because some of the deals with some employee matters and I don't want to prejudice any kind of dealings that we may have with some current or ex-employees. But we self reported, we discovered, the IRS didn’t discover it, we reported not a week later, we reported that day to them. It deals with an employee that had issues. The proverbial rogue employee, we self reported and have owned up to it. So that sort of almost by statute entitles us to not to have to pay these kinds of penalties, but until that's done in an agreement formally with the IRS we are taking this charge.

Matt Koranda

Analyst

Okay. Got it. That's helpful. Maybe we can just talk quickly also about the precautionary measures the bank is taking that you guys were alluding to in the prepared remarks; essentially just could you run through those in detail once more you guys kind of ran through it pretty quickly. And I guess are they restricting or tightening the covenants at all on any of the debt or is it mainly just additional reporting requirements?

Andrew Minkow

Management

It's mostly additional reporting requirements, more periodic too, and these affect our earnings for this year as well. We're looking at higher interest rates and what we had outstanding by approximately 2.5% on our Canadian debt which is small amount outstanding and 2% on our U.S. debt. As far as the covenant, they're not being recalibrated at the moment. The bank has decided just not to test them. We have a waiver through January 31. They're going to collect more information and during this interim period what they've done is they've permitted us to use 3 million of our unused capacity in Canada in order to fund our U.S. working capital growth needs including to pay payroll tax. So, as of the moment we're just in collection – information collection stage, nothing has changed. They wanted to monitor our financial performance. See what the things with the IRS. And if everything should workout to plan and as we hope and expect sometime early next year or a few months into next year, we can look forward to a new set of covenant and an agreement that will put us in a position where we are continually achieving and maintaining compliance with those financial covenant.

Matt Koranda

Analyst

Okay. And then, what's the January 31 date, maybe you just explain why was that date chosen and potentially what happens after January 31, I mean, they were getting in the speculation about here, but maybe if you can describe I guess what's going on with the date there?

Andrew Minkow

Management

Sure. My interpretation of whatever it was the bank thought. But the bank wants more information and ability to study. More information being monthly reporting, some weekly cash forecasting, so they can get a better feel on how we're spending our cash, and January 31st is the date by which I think they'll have a – I assume enough information to decide would if any or next step, do they extend the waiver. Do they move right to recasting the agreement, new covenant level based on where our performance hit.

Matt Koranda

Analyst

Okay. Got it. And just a couple of more guys, if we could talk about T&D Solutions, you've guys have mentioned in the prepared remarks a bit of progress in terms of consolidating Bemag and Jefferson, so maybe you just highlight for us, what else is left it sort of move, especially in terms of production and do you still expect to have all of that effectively done by the end of Q1, 2016?

Nathan Mazurek

Management

Right. The bulk was done the biggest target of the restructuring with Bemag, the bulk was done by the end of October. Last quarter when we talked about it, we sort of said, that would be the earliest and sort of gave ourselves to the end of the year, so we did hit the earliest point to that and that's going to impact the fourth quarter favorably, because we'll get two months of those kinds of savings already in the fourth quarter. There's a smaller portion of Bemag that's going to be moving again, we're saying no later than June of next year. We think we'll do it well earlier than that, but that's left to be done. There are two facilities in Minneapolis are consolidating by first quarter.

Andrew Minkow

Management

Yes, end of January.

Nathan Mazurek

Management

End of January, okay, somewhere in the first quarter, 2016 and the two facilities in Los Angeles for the most part our consolidating the end of the year, December 31 maybe a little bit a hangover for one or two pieces to finish up there, but almost immaterial.

Matt Koranda

Analyst

Okay. Got it. That's helpful. And then just maybe we can talk briefly about the pipeline of business for Titan. I mean, now that you guys have won some additional business here, maybe you can talk about the prospects, what you're seeing in the pipeline for Titan and how that could kind of swing revenues in 2016? Have you already handicapped those and they are included in guidance or there are items that essentially are not envision in guidance, yet that maybe swing things a bit higher or lower?

Nathan Mazurek

Management

Yes. Titan, I think I guess for me – I'm not looking at Titan to swing much higher from a revenue point of view in 2016, hopefully 2016 will be smarter and more profitable revenue that we do out of Titan. So, they'll probably repeat this year's revenue of $20 million or so and probably maybe a little bit more next year, but it's really going to be what that mix is both on the equipment and on the service side. So, Titan contributed this year positive EBITDA to the business probably a little bit more than maybe we thought would be for the first year considering that they lost money under the prior as an independent business for the last couple of years, so that's been a great swing. But it's really about going up to the larger propositions, the more valuable propositions there and being smarter about the service revenue. The big potential to swing up, sort of the gravy for next year is really in Jefferson and in both Switchgear businesses, both the Critical Power parallel in gear and in the Pacific part of the business that we bought. Those are the big swingers. They already exhibiting the pipeline and what's going on and the transactions are already exhibiting that. So, I think Pacific where we would have – we're budgeting them at about 5 million for next, that segment of the business I think they'll handily beat that. Bear in mind that that's a very profitable business. So every beat there is – every million has a very large impact from a bottom line point of view. I think Jefferson will also – they had the greatest potential next year to beat. They're coming in with a very strong cost structure, very modest cost structure in a very liquid market and we're already seeing those benefits. Jefferson had an outstanding quarter. This third quarter we're expecting them to probably have an all time higher quarter not just in revenue but in way -- by far in profitability for the fourth quarter as that outsourcing program takes deeper and deeper root.

Matt Koranda

Analyst

Got it. Very helpful, thanks Nathan. I’ll take the rest of mine offline and I’ll jump back in queue later. Thanks Brett.

Nathan Mazurek

Management

Thanks, Matt.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And if there are no other questions, I’d now like to turn the call back to management for any additional or closing remarks.

Nathan Mazurek

Management

Okay, thank you all for your time and support and we look forward to updating you again in our next call. Have a great evening.