Yogesh Gupta
Analyst · Guggenheim Securities.
So I think, by the way, just I think -- I don't know whether it was the audio or whether it would mean or which end but John, the product I mentioned that's doing really well with ShareFile, not Chef. A misunderstanding. But anyway, let me talk about the developer scenario, though, because our developer products are doing well, right? And so the reason I think -- so there are two parts. So I think first, talking about our customers, what we are seeing, I believe that there is a change in trend, but I wouldn't say that the absolute developer numbers overall appear to be dropping. The absolute numbers have dropped in what I would call a small number of customers. But by and large, I think the trend is less growth than historic. And so I think that the developer seats and seat-based developer businesses which primarily is DevTools for us, which is a relatively small business. It's about -- it's a single digit -- mid-single-digit percentage business for us, right? That business is where if we didn't do the right things, we would see challenges. So what we have done is we've actually done significant AI investments there to make our developer tools, which are primarily libraries for developing great UI and so on, be more relevant in the agentic age, help with developers who are building agentic apps and provide them with the right tooling for that. So we are effectively doing a significant amount of change in that, what I call, the value proposition for the developer. And so we feel good about how that business continues to perform. But it is a business that has the greatest potential risk, which is why it has also had the greatest acceleration on our part in terms of the AI work that we have done with it. And so we're seeing good business there, and we continue to see good business there. I think that the products like Chef continue to do well because infrastructure needs to be managed, infrastructure needs to be configured, infrastructure needs to be set up so that things run well. And so that product is a workhorse for many large enterprises, including the largest credit -- pretty much every credit card company pretty much many of the Silicon Valley tech companies, et cetera. I mean, literally, 2 of the MAX 7 have been customers forever. So it is a very, very strong and solid product. And we continue to see basically the need for that product, and we win some new customers as well, which -- but I think the ShareFile product, on the other hand, is doing well from a customer perspective as well because of the AI efforts there. So I'm sorry about the confusion about my voice. I'm sorry about that.