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Perimeter Solutions, S.A. (PRM)

Q4 2022 Earnings Call· Tue, Feb 28, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Perimeter Solutions Fourth Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants’ are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Seth Barker. Thank you, Mr. Barker. You may begin.

Seth Barker

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining Perimeter Solutions fourth quarter 2022 earnings call. Speaking on today's call are Haitham Khouri, Vice Chairman; Edward Goldberg, Chief Executive Officer; and Chuck Kropp, Chief Financial Officer. We want to remind anyone who may be listening to a replay of this call that all statements made are as of today, February 28, 2023, and these statements have not been nor will they be updated subsequent to today's call. Also, today's call may contain forward-looking statements. These statements made today are based on management's current expectations, assumptions and beliefs about our business and the environment in which we operate, and our actual results may materially differ from those expressed or implied on today's call. Please review our SEC filings for a more complete discussion of factors that could impact our results. The company would also like to advise you that during the call, we will be referring to non-GAAP financial measures, including EBITDA. The reconciliation of and other information regarding these items can be found in our earnings press release and presentation both of which will be available on our website and on the SEC's website. With that, I will turn the call over to Haitham Khouri, Vice Chairman.

Haitham Khouri

Analyst

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Let me start off by introducing Seth Barker, our recently appointed Head of Investor Relations. Seth is a Perimeter veteran, having previously led both our specialty products and suppressants businesses. Seth is currently our Vice President of Financial Planning and Analysis, where he plays a key role in corporate and business unit level financial planning, measurement analysis and reporting. In addition to his role as VP of FP&A, Seth is also assuming primary responsibility for perimeter's investor relations function where he will work closely with Eddie, Chuck and I as we engage with our debt and equity investors. Congratulations, Seth. And thank you for the continued excellent work. Let me now make summary comments on our strategy before turning to our financial performance and capital allocation, starting with our strategy on slide three. Our goal is to deliver private equity like returns with the liquidity of a public market. We plan to attain this goal by owning, operating and growing uniquely high-quality businesses. We define uniquely high-quality businesses through the following five very specific economic criteria. One, recurring and predictable revenue streams. Two, long-term secular growth tailwinds. Three, products that account for critical, but small portions of larger value streams. Four, significant free cash flow generation with higher returns on tangible capital. And five, the potential for opportunistic consolidation. We believe these five economic criteria are present at Perimeter's current businesses and we use these criteria to evaluate potential new acquisitions. As described on slide four, we seek to drive long-term equity value creation by a consistent improvement in our three operational value drivers, which are profitable new business; continual productivity improvements; and pricing to reflect the value we provide. In addition to our three operational value drivers, we seek to…

Edward Goldberg

Analyst

Thanks, Haitham. I'll jump directly into the financial results, starting with our Fire Safety business. Fourth quarter and full-year Fire Safety revenue decreased 18% and 13% respectively. Fire Safety adjusted EBITDA was negative $3.9 million in Q4 and declined 34% for the full-year. As we've noticed -- noted, these declines were driven primarily by the mild 2022 North America fire season. U.S. acreage burned ex-Alaska decreased 36% for the full-year 2022 and decreased 47% in the fourth quarter. Canadian hectors burned decreased 66% for the full-year 2022 with very minimal fire activity in the fourth quarter. Australia is our primary Q4 retardant market outside of North America and we recorded zero retardant product sales in Australia for the fourth quarter, due to an unusually wet early season, which delayed wildfire activity across the region. In summary, the 2022 fire season was mild across most of our key markets, and Q4 was especially so and the impact is evident in our financial results. I'll reemphasize that we don't believe there's anything about the 2022 fire season that informs future fire seasons either positively or negatively. The 2022 and 2023 fire seasons are independent variables and we're planning for a 2023 fire season consistent with the long-term trend line, while as always preparing to respond to milder or more severe seasons. For reference, 2019 was the mildest U.S. fire season of the past roughly 15 years with 2.1 million acres burned excluding Alaska. It was followed by the 2020 fire season, which was the most severe in U.S. recorded history at 10.1 million acres burned ex-Alaska. I'd now like to highlight our Q4 performance in our suppressant business. Our suppressant business is much less seasonal than our retardant business and is therefore an area where our year-over-year progress is much clearer. Suppressant…

Chuck Kropp

Analyst

Thanks, Eddie. Turning to slides five and six. Fourth quarter sales in our Fire Safety business decreased 18% to $19.6 million and full-year sales decreased 13% to $226.6 million. Fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA in our Fire Safety business was negative $3.9 million and full-year adjusted EBITDA decreased 34% to $77.4 million. Fourth quarter sales in our Specialty Products business decreased 1% to $21.7 million and full-year sales increased 32% to $133.9 million. Fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA in our Specialty Products business increased 7% to $6 million and full-year adjusted EBITDA increased 104% to $48 million. Moving on to the consolidated business. Fourth quarter consolidated sales decreased 10% to $41.3 million in the fourth quarter and full-year consolidated sales decreased 1% to $360.5 million. Fourth quarter consolidated adjusted EBITDA decreased 69% to $2.1 million and full-year adjusted EBITDA decreased 11% to $125.4 million. As we noted on our prior call, we absorbed over $10 million in incremental public company cost in 2022. Excluding these costs, our consolidated adjusted EBITDA would have been close to flat on a year-over-year basis. As we also noted on our prior call, our go forward goal is to reduce the public company expense bucket by realizing annual productivity gains in excess of inflation. We have a detailed productivity plan to accomplish this goal in 2023 and will hold ourselves to this productivity target annually going forward. Now moving below adjusted EBITDA. Interest expense in the fourth quarter was $10 million in line with our regular quarterly run rate. Interest expense for the full-year 2022 was approximately $42.6 million, which includes $35.5 million of cash interest expense and approximately $7.1 million of non-cash interest expense. Assuming no significant financing activities, we expect interest expense in 2023 and beyond to look very similar in quantum and composition to…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Josh Spector with UBS. Please go ahead.

Josh Spector

Analyst

Yes, hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Just wondering if you could expand upon your comments on the competitive dynamics within fire retardants. It's obviously been a pretty big focus for investors. So just curious here if you could have any comment on specifically maybe the 2023 contract negotiations, anything around pricing, number of paces or anything that change that you can talk about this year versus prior years?

Edward Goldberg

Analyst

Yes, Josh. Thanks for the question. Yes, we really can't comment on individual basis or market share expectations at this time. We just -- till the season kicks off, we just don't know exactly what's going to happen base wise. But with that said, as I said in my opening comments, we're very confident in our market position. And when we get a little bit further into the season, we'll have more specifics that we can discuss.

Josh Spector

Analyst

Okay. All right. If I could ask then on -- within specialty, I mean, I guess, sulfur costs are down pretty materially. Does that have any impact on your earnings thoughts for next year in terms of margins or pricing or how would we see that flow through?

Edward Goldberg

Analyst

Sure. So, you know, overall in Specialty Products raw materials, we have some costs that are up, some costs that are down. Generally, we're able to pass through increases. We give back some of the reductions overall, I would say there'll be a relatively modest impact overall on profitability.

Josh Spector

Analyst

Okay. And if I could do -- seeking one more here and then I'll pass it on. It's just as interested in your comments on if the fire season is weak this year or similar to last year, you expect EBITDA to be up, I think you said meaningfully, but please correct me if that's not what you said. What drives that? I guess what gives that level of confidence for you guys? And within that context, what would your free cash flow look like if you had a similar fire season this year?

Edward Goldberg

Analyst

Yes. I don't think we can quantify it specifically right now, but we put a lot of effort over the last say 18-months into our 3P's pricing to value, productivity improvements, and profitable new business. And we wouldn't make the statement that we did and we didn't feel really good about showing the results of these efforts should we have a similarly slow season.

Haitham Khouri

Analyst

Josh, this is Haitham. On your free cash flow question, I won't give you a number, but it's essentially in Chuck's prepared remarks. It's as simple as pick your EBITDA and then subtract the uses of cash that Chuck walked through, which are comprehensive, cash interest expense, cash taxes, CapEx and a modest increase in net working capital to the extent the fire season is on trend, they're doing no more to within that.

Josh Spector

Analyst

Okay. All right. Thanks. I'll pass it on. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Thomas Jonsson with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Thomas Jonsson

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Hi, thanks for taking my question. First one here, just touching on the competitive dynamics again. Outside of just receiving full qualification, could you maybe, kind of, give us an overview of where you see your key, kind of, competitive advantages, whether that be supply chain, obviously operational history. But maybe even just installed logistics across different air bases in the United States? Thanks.

Edward Goldberg

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Sure, you bet. So first of all, let me say that we're very confident that we have the best product in the industry on virtually every measure and that it isn't even close. So we've got a long history of delivering effective safe and environmentally favorable products in this industry. And that's really kind of the ante to the game. What we've built over time is an infrastructure both in manufacturing, distribution and air-based services that we've built over many years that delivers near 100% reliability. We deliver retardant 24/7 throughout the year. We can deliver almost anywhere in North America within hours. And we basically own and operate the largest air tanker bases or the equipment and facilities at largest air tanker bases in the U.S. So what we've built is meant to deliver extremely high reliability whenever the fire season or whenever the fires are burning all year long and that's something that, that we don't think can be reproduced in any material way without tremendous investment and timing.

Thomas Jonsson

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Great. Thank you. And then just the last one here. I know that international expansion is more of a long-term goal for the Fire Safety business. But we kind of have another quarter here where unfortunately there's been severe wildfire activity outside of the core market, mainly in Chile, thus far in 2023. So I guess just a quick update on maybe international strategy, as well as what you are seeing from customers outside the U.S. and interest in your fire retardant?

Edward Goldberg

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Sure. So I think I probably described this before, but let me describe it again. Outside of North America, we have our traditional markets that we've been serving for many years and those include both Chile and Australia where we've seen buyer activity early in 2023. We are active supporting fire activity in Chile right now. And we continue to serve, kind of, those traditional markets, South America, Australia and to the Mediterranean area of Europe. In addition, we work very hard with governments that are starting to experience wildfire issues. To help them build their programs over time and we see these as emerging markets. And I think in previous calls, I've talked about the progress that we made in Greece, where over many years we worked with them to develop a retardant program and they became a retardant customer in 2022. So we continue to be excited about our international markets, we're going to continue to serve those traditional markets and help them grow their programs. But also work with new and emerging markets to help them deal with the wildfire issues that are expanding geographically around the world.

Thomas Jonsson

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Got it. Thanks. I'll turn it back there.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Brian DiRubbio with Baird. Please go ahead.

Brian DiRubbio

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

Good morning, gentlemen. A couple of questions for me. Just first off [Indiscernible] when you came to market, you broke out some of the revenues of suppressants versus retardants. Obviously, you made some commentary about that breakout today. Is that something that you'd be willing to disclose just even the revenue line of how much sales is coming from suppressants versus retardants?

Haitham Khouri

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

Probably not on this call. That said, keep your -- our 10-K should be out soon and there is more retardant versus suppressant disclosure there. So you will have an answer in your hands very shortly, although not quite on this call.

Brian DiRubbio

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

Okay. And that's going to be just an annual update that you can provide or is that something that you're going to provide more disclosure on a quarterly basis?

Edward Goldberg

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

As it stands now with our disclosure, we tend to break out suppressant versus retardant annually. We won’t give any specific consideration to adjusting that, so that's what I think we should assume going forward.

Brian DiRubbio

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

Okay. Fair enough. Just switching gears on Specialty Products business, you know, as you noted very strong results there last year. Is this a business that you think can sustain the mid-30s EBITDA margin that is generating right now? Or were there any factors last year that may not repeat going forward? Just to look to get a better sense of the sustainability out of the business given its step function change your profitability?

Edward Goldberg

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

Yes. You know, I gave, right? I think we've talked about this a little bit before. We did a lot of work in the specialty products business over the last 18-months really working on the 3Ps driving a higher price for value, working on productivity improvements, and looking for opportunities for new business. And we were largely successful in 2022, improving that business across multiple fronts. And we're -- although it's still -- I mean, we're a year into it. Still a little bit early, but we're pretty confident that what we've been able to achieve in that business can be sustainable into the future. I don't expect to see the same, kind of, step change growth in ‘23 that we saw in ’22. But I do expect to see the gains that we made in ‘22 carry on through ‘23.

Brian DiRubbio

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

Fair enough. That's helpful there. And then just two quick ones. How would you describe the current M&A environment today? In terms of targets, in terms of what expectations are for valuations, [want some] (ph) thoughts on that?

Haitham Khouri

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

Hey Brian, it's Haitham. I would describe the M&A market activity more broadly as I'm surprisingly very, very quiet. There has been minimal, I would say, price discovery largely, because not much has transacted. If you ask sellers multiples are unchanged from 12-months ago, because nothing's traded and that is the contrary. If you ask buyers, they point to public markets and other things and argue that multiples are down. So there will be an inevitable [falling] (ph) at some point and multiples will settle where they will and activity will pick up. But we're just not at the thawing stage. We're at the -- we’re sort of, remain in this standoff stage, which is very, very difficult for this point in the M&A market cycle. I would say at perimeter, we're very busy. There's a lot we can do in a market low like this, largely around planting seeds for future capital allocation harvesting and we're extremely busy doing it. I'm extremely pleased with our internal progress and we hope to have more tangible progress eventually on M&A front, I feel good about it.

Brian DiRubbio

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

Okay. Thank you. And then just final question for me. Again, going back when you came to market for the bond issue, you mentioned in the OM you had about 50 full-service fire basis in the North American market. Is that number of state constant since then?

Edward Goldberg

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

Yes. I don't know that 50 is the right number. I think it's closer to 40. But the basis, each year, some basis become full service or the odd base comes off of full service, but generally that number is relatively stable year-over-year.

Brian DiRubbio

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

Perfect. Appreciate all the color. Thank you so much.

Edward Goldberg

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead.

Thanks, Brian.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the floor back over to Edward Goldberg for closing comments. Please go ahead.

Edward Goldberg

Analyst

Yes. Thank you all very much for joining us on this call. We're looking forward to the start of the fire season and talking to you again to report our next quarter results. So have a great day.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation, and have a great day.